/lit/ - Literature

Stop making threads early, autist.

Ringworld is great so far

Do you dare defy the Fate given to you by Heaven's Will?

Do you dare fight against a the leader of humanity for the last 3 million years?

Do you dare to rise above a status as mere mortal, and reach for Immortality?

>>18235255
why do you have such shit taste

>>18235255
Lol

>>18233501
Dogs of War and Bear Head by Adrian Tchaikovsky. Starts off as bleak and violent action with bio-engineered cybernetically enhanced animal super soldiers called bioforms committing war crimes for their master, who has them on a leash that forces them to be obedient, and then it does a 180 and goes deep on politics and ethics regarding artificial life in the second half. It's a wild ride, especially Bear Head which takes place decades after what happens in Dogs of War.

I am very close to schizo-posting.

>>18235395
But anon...you've been schizoposting all along

>>18235099
Any recent cyberpunk novel releases Tired of reading the old ones. And I’m rather hesitant in buying self-publish cyberpunk stories on Amazon, mostly due to the pricing. Thought at this point, I’m wondering if I should buy them due to lack of other options.

>>18235593
which novels have you read?

>>18235593
if you haven't already read Battle Angel Alita it's the best cyberpunk story of all time imo

Yep, I'm thinking it's time to migrate to the other thread.

>>18235099
What are the must reads of the two genres? I've always liked them so much as a kid but i was too /midwit/ and would only play video games and shit

>>18235910
For Fantasy, Tolkien’s lord of the ring series. It’s influence all fantasy series after it.

>>18235910
See
>>18235970

>>18235968
Not a good starting place for a midwit anon
You have to be a turbo autist to enjoy 2 consecutive chapters of sitting by a campfire singing songs, written out in full text some in other languages, cardboard characters and a plot most people learn the beats of through osmosis before even graduating highschool

>>18235619
Snow crash, Neuromancer and its sequels and prequel, Do androids dream of electric sheep, Altered Carbon and its sequels, virtual light and its sequels, Metrophage, Cyberia, the hacker crackdown.

I’m actually going to stop, since I really don’t want to name all of them right now. But I hope you get the gist of it.

>>18235832
Battle Angel Alito? I’ll check to see if there’s a sample online to read, but thanks for the recommendation.

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck Lazy Authors
Fuck Delays

>>18236136
Would you rather have him read some other derivative work that copies Tolkien? Because that’s an easy way to get burn out. By the concept fast.

>>18236204
>Fuck E William Brown
What did he do to get so much hate?

>>18235968
>It’s influence all fantasy series after it.
t. stopped reading fantasy in 1985

>>18236312
It's just that one guy, who thought he wasn't getting enough chapters for his patreonage or something.

>>18235910
Ignore >>18235986
his fantasy recs are terrible shitpostings
for fantasy, read:
>The King of Elfland's Daughter
>Lord of the Rings
>Conan the Barbarian
>Titus Groan and Gormenghast
there's other good stuff, but those are either really important or the cream of the crop.

>>18236415
so what are some good modern ones then?

>>18236426
thank you!

I know Le Guin is a woman but I really think you guys should read Earthsea, I found the first book very endearing

>>18236531
>Ged, the greatest sorcerer in all Earthsea, was called Sparrowhawk in his reckless youth.

>Hungry for power and knowledge, Sparrowhawk tampered with long-held secrets and loosed a terrible shadow upon the world. This is the tale of his testing, how he mastered the mighty words of power, tamed an ancient dragon, and crossed death's threshold to restore the balance.
I’ll read the first book, seems interesting.

>>18236629
>Hungry for power and knowledge, Sparrowhawk tampered with long-held secrets and loosed a terrible shadow upon the world. This is the tale of his testing, how he mastered the mighty words of power, tamed an ancient dragon, and crossed death's threshold to restore the balance.
I love how all that shit actually happens in the first book, its like a thesis statement lel

>>18235099
Is Stranger in a Strange Land good?

>>18236705
One word: It's the best!

>>18236705
dunno but I liked his short story Universe (which apparently has a sequel that I've never read)
Also I was fucking dumb enough at one point in my life to believe that the phrase "Stranger in a Strange Land" was attributed to Heinlein instead of being a quote from the Bible

>looking at new releases, see the second book in a series by an author I quite like is out
>get the first book and read it, really like it
>go to get the second
>the release date was wrong it's not out until july
fuck's sake

>>18236426
filtered

>>18236875
Which book is it?

>>18237113
Master Assassins is the start of the series, posted about liking it a few days back.
Surprised me a bit because I usually dislike fantasy where the whole thing is a journey but it pulls it off well.

>>18237139
just play assasins creed

>>18237147
assasins sneed

>>18237147
They're not actually master assassins, the plot setup is that the protagonists kill two powerful figures pretty much by mistake and then go on the run.

>>18237157
>ass sneed

>author's one and only work of fiction
>It's absolute fucking insanity from start to finish

>>18237203
>>It's absolute fucking insanity from start to finish
Those types of books are great

>>18237162
Sounds like a fun read, I'll check it out myself.

I haven't been able to stop thinking about the Books of Babel and how enrapturing they are since I caught up to them, so I'm going to post everything I didn't like in the hopes it'll cool me off enough to pay attention to something new.

First, Tom gets way too much shit, both from himself, which is an acceptable character flaw, and from others which is irrational. Like, when the Sphinx calls him a bad captain, what a load of bullshit. How many other captains could have escaped from the Ararat twice? Hell, within weeks of Edith taking over two of her crew members are shot in the head. Second, I was frustrated at Marya becoming a battered spouse. I get why it was necessary as a plot device, but it was still really consistently annoying to read. Which I guess leads into the third point, which is I feel like the author keeps veering away from what drew me into the first book: a man exploring a bizarre world searching for his wife. I do not give a shit about Marat and his schemes. The only thing I care about is Tom and Marya. Bancroft did a great job of making me love them and their marriage in the first book, and then the second in particular just forgot about how good it was. It did pick back up in the third, though, once Tom realized that Marya wasn't sincere in her telling him off, and the last half of that book was all around great.

>>18237139
>Master Assassins
>Kandri Hinjuman was never meant to be a soldier. His brother Mektu was never meant for this world. Rivals since childhood, they are drafted into a horrific war led by a madwoman-Prophet, and survive each day only by hiding their disbelief. Kandri is good at blending in, but Mektu is hopeless: impulsive, erratic-and certain that a demon is stalking him. Is this madness or a second sense?Either way, Kandri knows that Mektu's antics will land them both in early graves.

>But all bets are off when the brothers' simmering feud explodes into violence, and holy blood is spilled. Kandri and Mektu are taken for contract killers and must flee for their lives-to the one place where they can hope to disappear: the sprawling desert known as the Land that Eats Men. In this eerie wilderness, the terrain is as deadly as the monsters, ghouls, and traffickers in human flesh. Here the brothers find strange allies: an aging warlord, a desert nomad searching for her family, a lethal child-soldier still in her teens. They also find themselves in possession of a secret that could bring peace to the continent of Urrath. Or unthinkable carnage.

>On their heels are the Prophet's death squads. Ahead lie warring armies, sandstorms, evil spirits and the deeper evil of human greed. But hope beckons as well-if the "Master Assassins" can expose the lie that has made them the world's most wanted men.

>>18237646
Oh, also everyone treating Tom like some kind of degenerate junkie after finding out he'd been accidentally microdosing on Crumb is stupid as fuck. And, please, please let Marya be competent and relevant in the last book.

>>18236638
It gets to the point, so I don’t see any problem.

>>18237203
>female protagonist

>>18238390
This is such an odd hill to die on. Nix, Tchaikovsky, and Pratchett have all done great female protags

>>18238477
really I'm just shitposting to bait an anon into giving more details on the premise

Wait. So it was ancient aliens all along? What? wtf Anne?

>>18238566
I don't know when that book was published, but that sounds pretty par for the course for atlantis anything circa 1995-2005

>>18238566
Yes, it’s a mindfuck.

>>18237139
>Kandri Hinjuman was never meant to be a soldier. His brother Mektu was never meant for this world. Rivals since childhood, they are drafted into a horrific war led by a madwoman-Prophet, and survive each day only by hiding their disbelief. Kandri is good at blending in, but Mektu is hopeless: impulsive, erratic—and certain that a demon is stalking him. Is this madness or a second sense? Either way, Kandri knows that Mektu’s antics will land them both in early graves.

>But all bets are off when the brothers’ simmering feud explodes into violence, and holy blood is spilled. Kandri and Mektu are taken for contract killers and must flee for their lives—to the one place where they can hope to disappear: the sprawling desert known as the Land that Eats Men. In this eerie wilderness, the terrain is as deadly as the monsters, ghouls, and traffickers in human flesh. Here the brothers find strange allies: an aging warlord, a desert nomad searching for her family, a lethal child-soldier still in her teens. They also find themselves in possession of a secret that could bring peace to the continent of Urrath. Or unthinkable carnage.

>On their heels are the Prophet’s death squads. Ahead lie warring armies, sandstorms, evil spirits and the deeper evil of human greed. But hope beckons as well—if the “Master Assassins” can expose the lie that has made them the world’s most wanted men.

I don't even know what to call this?

>>18239126
>I don't even know what to call this?
Banal?

How many have you read, anon?

>>18239787
Not enough.

>>18239787
I'm the only person on /sffg/ who read Dragonlance beyond War of the Twins.

>>18238566
>>18238573
>>18238798
>reading Anne Rice past Interview with the Vampire
but is it actually decent?

>>18239787
Amber Chronicles and Princess of Mars I liked, LotR I read but didn't really care about. Others I didn't read because I think that medieval sword and sorcery is not very interesting.

>>18240338
el tranny

>>18240333
Her second book Lestat is decent.

>>18239787
>No Bakker
OH NO NO NO NO

>>18235970
>must read
>wheel of time

>>18240323
You aren't.

>>18240333
Yeah, it is. Ishmael about the rest of the series.

>>18236705
Pretty cringe, but if you're aligned with it you'll like.

For Earthsea can I read just the original trilogy and ignore the bullshit LeGuin added decades later?

>>18241476
You could, how is this a question?

>>18239787
Eight

>>18241476
That's what I've done so far, and I haven't been struck down for blasphemy yet

>>18241688
Care to explain?

>>18238566
>author's name is bigger than the name of the book

>>18241823
She was the Stephenie Meyer of her time.

>>18241726
Some will defend the new additions.

>>18240841
Ignore him, it's just shitpost.

I have never read a light novel, I don't even know what they are. With that in mind is this worth a read for the roadside picnic-otaku connection or is it just fanservice bait

>>18242514
>>>/a/

>>18242556
it's a book though, I don't watch anime

>>18242602
It's a light novel fagget, aka a manga with a larger word count. It belongs on /a/, it's not lit.

Same reason Graphic Novels belong on /co/.

>>18242602
>>>/jp/
>>>/vg/

>>18242514
I think the premise is interesting, though I haven't read it myself. My favorite fantasy LNs right now are NGNL and Ascendance of a Bookworm, which are obviously very different in tone and theme

hey guys, watch this
>>18242556
>>18242647
back to your containment thread, schizo

>>18242647
Honestly, LNs are really just the Jap equivalent of YA books, and sometimes they get adapted as anime.

>>18242692
I was the one who helped start sffg, fagget, the only containment thread I have is sffg. The entire lit board has been corrupted by Christcucks and Pollies. Now you are trying to bring fucking light novels into the fucking literature board.

It's like you're abatap from tv, or those pony faggets who spewed their shit everywhere.

>>18242720
dilate tranny

>>18242717
Wrong. They've always been manga with walls of text. Fuck off.

>>18242727
That's just not an accurate description. I own plenty of LNs that have no pictures at all, calling them comic books mashed no sense. They're low reading level for sure, but so is a lot of what these threads talk about

>>18242733
>I own plenty of LNs
sad!

>>18242733
99% of them have illustrations. You go to /jp/ or /a/ to discuss this shit.
>/a/ - Anime & Manga
>/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>18237671
It's been so long since the latest book, I can't remember what happened with the robot arm girl and Tom after they reacquainted with marya. Is Tom gonna build a harem?

>>18242742
Nothing happened after that, it was the end of the latest book. The finale comes out in October

Reading bakker atm, on the first book. I like his prose but sometimes i can't seem to understand what he's trying to say. Like can someone translate this paragraph for me:

>Maithanet carried a plague whose primary symptom was certainty. How the God could be equated with the absence of hesitation was something Achamian had never understood. After all, what was the God but the mystery that burdened them all? What was hesitation but a dwelling-within this mystery?

>>18242721
>such a quick response
Were you just waiting for a (you) to post?

I don't deal with trannies, though I would fuck boipussy, as a follower of the GRI scriptures, boipussi must be tamed.

>>18242741
In the same way that you can talk about final fantasy on both /v/ and /vrpg/, LNs are a legitimate topic of discussion on both /jp/ and /lit/. Some of them are allowed on /a/, but only if they've been adapted to anime or manga.

>Someone in /wsffg/ questions why it’s even created.
>Claims that he problem was anime, hololive, web novels, manga and other stuff that are not literature.
>An anon states that it isn’t true and none of that is being discuss.
>All of a sudden anime, light novels and web novels are being discuss here.
Jesus fucking Christ, we were having such a discussions.

>>18242749
Oh right wasn't it like robot arm rescues Maya and Tom's off at the slave stronghold sabatoging something? It's been so long for me. Have they all reunited yet?

>>18242742
And I think Tom's harem chances are hampered by the revelation that Iren is a lesbian

>>18242765
Not reunited, you remember it exactly as it ended. I'm looking forward to finally having a loving reunion between Tom, Marya, and their baby

>>18242767
Well I mean Edith and marya. God I can't even remember who iren is lol

>>18242762
So wall yourself off in that thread. I'm happy to stay in the one that talks about fantasy books regardless of their country of origin

>>18242782
Oh wait I'm starting to remember, iren was that one gang bosses like top henchmen but Tom won her over or something

Alright faggots, I just wanted to know since I am a big fan of the novel Roadside Picnic and this was the only thread where chinkshit was allowed. Sorry I triggered you you fucking snowflakes

>>18242788
He taught her to read and it was all roses from there.

>>18242791
It's okay anon, you'll grow up eventually.

>>18242783
Light Novels are not lit.
Would you say that naruto is cartoons? Why don't you go and discuss Naruto in /co/ then?

>>18242809
This site draws an animation distinction based on country of origin. It does not do that for books, however, otherwise Osamu Dazai and Mishima wouldn't be allowed on /lit/

I bought this because of Audible's 2 for 1 sale, how much am I going to regret it

>>18242819
It's only because 4chan is dying. If we had mods from 2 years ago, all your shit would have been deleted.

>>18242755
Make a LN general on /lit/ and see what it gets you.

>>18242831
I do not ever recall a time when talking about Japanese books, even those as lowbrow as light novels, was banned on /lit/

>>18242821
Same humor as Iron Druid, but lacks the pacing.

I'm a huge fan of Kevin Hearne and devoured the Iron Druid Chronicles, so when I picked up Ink & Sigil, that's what I was expecting. The wit, the cynicism, the pacing of a modern tale of adventure. It wasn't, but let me explain.

Al is an interesting character, cursed with the ability to make anyone hate him if he speaks, and blessed with the ability to work a spell with ink. And when his apprentice shows up dead, he uncovers unsavory aspects of his life, which throws us into the main plot of the mystery, and Al working to find out the who behind the why.

Each component of the story was interesting enough, but I didn't find myself entirely smitten with it. In comparison to the Iron Druid books, I was left a little unimpressed, but this isn't to say it isn't a GOOD book. It's funny, quirky, has interesting characters with unique traits and flaws. Each character can stand on their own. But for me, something was missing.

>>18242819
Yeah well this thread does draw said distinction.
We have to filter the likes of you somehow.

>>18242821
>>Al MacBharrais is both blessed and cursed. He is blessed with an extraordinary white moustache, an appreciation for craft cocktails – and a most unique magical talent. He can cast spells with magically enchanted ink and he uses his gifts to protect our world from rogue minions of various pantheons, especially the Fae.

You are in for a shitload of regret anon.

>>18242840
I've never heard of the iron druid series, so maybe I'll be better off for my lack of expectation

>>18242791
>snowflakes
>s
It's just one guy, anon.

>>18242843
>Yeah well this thread does draw said distinction.
Really? What's the deal with Murakami showing up in the rec charts, then?

>>18242845
The book you have is a spin off series from The Iron Druid Chronicles but you don’t have to read them to read Ink & Sigil

>>18242845
Iron Druid started fun but died hard.

>>18242855
Well, if I end up liking it, it's good to know there's a potentially better main branch to get more of it from

>>18242859
Isn't that the case with the vast majority of urban fantasy books?

>>18242869
>tfw still haven't bothered to pick up the latest Dresden novels

>>18242854
The deal is that the rules of this thread are there to filter you and your ilk, not Murakami.
As I already said you'll understand once you grow up.

>>18242873
Are you up to date with the urban fantasy?
Any new novels or authors you would recommend? I just don't have the energy to look for something readable.

>>18242890
It honestly sounds like you, in particular, do not want to talk about light novels and have decided to pretend that the thread forbids it. Given that I've had plenty of perfectly fine discussion on the topic here in years past, I can't imagine I'll give any weight to your preferences

>>18242901
Not at all, it's not my go to sub-genre. I think the Marla Mason series is decent, though, and slipped under most people's radar, so you might try that

>>18242910
And by slipped under the radar, I mean sold so badly the author got dropped from his publisher and had to start self publishing

>>18242910
>>18242919
Oy vey!
To be completely honest the blurb and the covers really don't help it stand out.
Everyone knows that the heroine, especially when it comes to urban fantasy, has to show off her in ass in leather pants on the cover.
I don't make the rules.

>>18242873
They do a decent job of wrapping up the stale storylines. Maybe too much action. Whether Butcher has anything left is an open question.

>>18242901
Urban Fantasy is bad and a dead genre. They recycle the same shit over and over.
>There are two sides to society, the hidden (magic) and the open (mundanes)
>something happened and we have to find the cause
>enter magical mystery novel
>some normie stumbles into the magic and is allowed to stay
>some love interest shit happens
>protagonist is slowly powered up in each new installment until they achieve demigod mode
>some celestial being (angel or otherwise) helps the protag later
>etc etc rinse repeat

>>18242957
We should have seen it coming from the beginning, noir itself is a limited genre that hasn't managed to evolve from Chandler

>>18242973
noir evolved into cyberpunk and techno-thrillers

>>18238513
Nothing wrong with the information found on Goodreads and Amazon. It's not as boring or generic as it sounds from the title.

>>18242957
All true. Still sometimes one just wants to read about magic in the modern times. A good enough writer will work within the confines of the genre. Too bad there's really not a lot of them around that want to mess around with urban fantasy.

>>18243000
You just reminded me to look into what Holly Black is writing these days, and as far as I can tell she's completely given up on urban fantasy

>>18243021
>Holly Black
Too bad I am way too old for YA.

>>18242720
>>18242752
shut the fuck up you larping faggot

>>18237203
I'm searching for something similar to this. I read Clive Barker's The Great and Secret Show and it was really the closest I got to this book, but not quite. Any recs?

pic related is a really good book btw.

>>18242692
>30+ posts in less than an hour
impressive

Alright, tonight is the night. I'm finally going to start writing. And my first story will be isekai!

>>18243118
I fell off the great and secret show when it switched over to the teenage girls, does it pick back up?

>>18243124
So many ups and downs in so few sentences.

every fucking thread

>>18243130
I don't remember too well, but I think this specific part shouldn't last too long.

After this, Jaffe sort of takes the back seat for some time, other characters come in, but it's all connected to him and his actions. Where you got stuck should be part 2, the second half of part 3 is where it should all start coming together. It only gets crazier as it goes on for sure.

>>18243203
People just trying to derail the thread.

>>18237203
>that conan-like motherfucker constantly wearing a tutu because it's the first piece of "american" clothing he found in a closet, ignorant of gender specific clothing
>his love interest is a rotting corpse he fucks loudly in front of his fellow orphans
ohnononono

>>18243710
Sounds pretty based.

We need to do a chart like this but for fantasy writers

>>18244133
>super heroes
>fascist
Superheroes are jewish propaganda meant to subvert the Western heroic archetype with faggots in spandex pajamas

Ye dost not fear the Dark Lord, right?

>>18235593
Neon Harvest

>>18244133
id rather have one that recommends books than writers, similar to this

>>18244308
>shiki top left
Lel

>>18244327
yeah they knew exactly what they were doing there

>>18244133
t. murican political cultist

>>18244308
t.

>>18244379
how gay do you even have to be to care about what women like

>>18244405
Wanting fuck women is extremely gay.

>>18244422
Based Lovecraftchad.

>>18244422
this, but unironically

>>18242957
And modern urban fantasy is absolutely riddled with libtard sentiments

>>18242514
Light novels have awful prose that seems to all have been written by 12-year-olds.

>>18244569
That's Japanese media in general. Even masterworks like Berserk read like they were written by children.

>>18244569
>>18244636
you guys are reading amateur translations and foisting their flaws onto the original author. imagine reading an MTL tolstoy and thinking it reflected his writing.

>>18244658
Nice default excuse you have there.

>>18244727
when you make the same stupid assertion a lot, you're bound to get the obvious rebuttal

>>18244748
You're assuming official localizations don't exist. Many of the SFF greats were also not written in English, yet the greatness shone through translations, unlike LN/VN/manga and anime cancer.

House of leaves is boring. what next?

>>18244759
Not quite, I'm assuming you've never read any official localizations. After all, how embarrassing to have paid for a light novel

>>18244768
Great argument.

>>18244782
It is a pretty good fork, isn't it

>>18244788
No, you're retarded. I bet you cry about localizations on /a/, screeching about how you want word for word translations.

>>18244765
House of Hades

>>18242751
Maithanet is certain. Achamian never understood how God = no doubts. To him God = mystery and "doubt" = always stuck in the mystery.

I'm at the part when the vulgar holy war begins and I'm not really interested in the book so far
does it get better or is this definitely not for me?

>>18244658
You're probably right but it's a cop-out when all shitty translators gravitate towards LNs and what the majority of readers have access to is the tripe they shit out.

>>18244636
>Berserk
>masterwork
I dunno about that.

>>18244832
It gets a lot better. The plot has barely started at that point.

>>18244910
Fair enough, I'll defend it from another angle.
LNs are Jap YA. Arguing about prose quality when Sarah J Maas is allowed to publish and get rich just strikes me as a superfluous fight. These are categories of books which we must all accept are judged on the merits of their plot and character development, something that I imagine many /sffg/ posters ought to be sympathetic to. A genrefic book having great prose is more of an unexpected delight than a standard expectation.

>>18244910
And I wouldn't necessarily say that shitty translators are drawn to LNs, so much as incompetent college students relying heavily on Google Translate. Real translators, even the bad ones, actually manage to get paid for their work. We've all seen that thread about the new chick who decided to translate the Odyssey

>>18244912
>It gets a lot better
when?

>>18244942
He's lying to you, it doesn't get better.

>>18244942
When Kellhus shows up again.

>>18244949
Yes yes. Because the peak of the series is the Ikurei family drama.

>reading novel that's basically a western isekai
>interesting worldbuilding
>midway through the novel, an entire chapter is dedicated to how the protagonist hates racists and racism, offhandedly mentions kicking out a character that's we've known for an entire part of the novel because "she's discriminatory"
>clearly view of the author randomly and jarring shoved into the story
>literally almost no warning to when it comes
>story basically becomes the protagonist enforcing their 21st century post-modern morality on a medieval fantasy world
why does this always happen

>>18245041
What Novel?

>>18245082
It's not only an isekai, but a litrpg. But I have my guilty pleasures. It's called Delve on RoyalRoad, more a webnovel than actual novel.

>>18245134
isn't that the one that takes too long?

>>18245041
This is clearly payback for the days when authors would sometimes randomly insert their wildly racist views into a story that has nothing to do with them.

>>18245134
>read shit
>nooo why is it shit

Is there any fantasy series that feels like Angel season 3-4?

>trying out Mass Effect
>kind of low tech science fiction
I think I've found my liking. Anything else similar to this series?

>>18245421
the expanse, pretty obviously

>>18245368
No urban fantasy is a trashy, stagnated subgenre

>>18245421
A Fire Upon the Deep has the same premise as the ME trilogy. Ancient AI come to assimilate/destroy life on a galactic scale, small group of various humans/aliens racing to stop it before it's too late. You can tell ME in general took a lot of inspiration from A Fire Upon the Deep and A Deepness in the Sky.

>>18245511
They even have the same ending, except much more dire in A Fire Upon the Deep.

>>18245434
I've been hearing good things about that series but never checked it out
>>18245511
>>18245550
Thanks anon. Any other recs along the line of these series?

>>18242948
Shame, but that’s to be expected.

We need to stop Tentacle-ism. It's not okay to portray squidfolk as evil, world-exterminating sea creatures.

>>18246155
Fried tentacles are delicious.

>write a dark fantasy piece set in the New World
>it reads like Thor: God of Thunder
Fml.

>>18245421
revelation space is where mass erect stole its loose plot from

>>18244308
>>18244133
These are terrible meme charts and you should feel bad for posting them.

>>18238390
>male writer
>female protagonist

>>18246664
They're examples my autistfriend, no need to get offended by them.

>>18245134
How is Delve not an isekai? Rain is from Earth. Also, I don't remember what you described happening in the novel and I am caught up.

>>18246471
>his scifi isn't just thinly disguised star wars fanfiction
ngmi

>>18244133
The left side of the chart would be overcrowded

>the most powerful of the big bad guys call themselves "The Chosen"
how did he get away with it???

>>18247750
It was a different time then.

>>18247750
Didn't know Chaos Chosen were also Jewish, but poltard brain is a special thing

>>18247791
Let's be honest, considering yourself "chosen", e.g. above the rest, is a pretty villainous premise. It's no surprise to see this theme reoccurring throughout fiction and real life.

>>18247750
>>18247781
> a few of the chosen get resurrected as trannies, just because their god thought it was funny
A different time indeed.

>>18247803
They don't write them like how its used to now.

>>18247791
>>18247803
Surprised it hasn't been cancelled.

>>18248010
I think there have been some attempts to cancel WoT but it's just far enough out of the mainstream to keep it somewhat safe for now, I think.

>>18248029
Don't know if I should be disheartened or happy to read that.

>>18247803
Wonder what the show is going to do about that. Not that the show is likely to last long enough to get the far.

>>18248208
The only one well cast is Lan.

I expect the show to have little in common with the books, particularly wherever the books contradict modern woke trends. The tranny resurections don't happen until book 6 or 7 iirc, so yeah, the show will probably never get that far. But what about the "Black Ajah" being bad guys? Hella racist dawg.

How much cheeki breeki am I in for?

>>18245041
>>18245134
Don't remember this racism rant part, but yeah the morality shit is similar to what happens in He Who Fights With Monsters.

>>18247750
>Mount DHOOM

This general really died, huh. 6 months of Bakker shitposting and falseflagging /a/ retards really did it.

>>18248481
I think the more accurate description was would be Soviet era SCI-FI as apparently the Strugatsky brothers had quite the time getting it past censors and published. One wonders if the 145 page novella began as a Tolstoy-esque behemoth and the rest wound up on the comrade editor’s floor.

This is a very novel approach to a first contact story. The title comes from the idea that alien artifacts that have been left behind in “zones” throughout the world were not deliberately left, but are rather the detritus of a brief galactic stop over on back water Terra on the way to somewhere else.

There are other ideas about the aliens and what they left behind and why. Told from the perspective of a “stalker” – a kind of prospector or poacher who enters the zones to collect the artifacts and sell them. It’s a dangerous job as the zones are radioactive or magical or something as illness, mutation and death stalk the alleyways and empty streets in an eerie prophesy of Chernobyl years after this was published.

SF fans will draw comparisons to Frederik Pohl’s 1977 novel Gateway because of the profitable but hazardous collection of alien relics. But whereas Pohl’s novel was hard SF, this had the Russian literature undercurrent of depression and morose introspection.

This was very influential and even contained a Vonnegut reference; a classic in the genre and a must read for fans.

>>18248671
Bakker posting is what gave this general life.

>>18248208
Oh god, it has its own tv series?

>>18248671
anons need to stop taking cheap bait.

I recently watched Waterloo (1970) and was very impressed. Is there any scifi or fantasy based off the life of Napoleon?

>>18249143
It was in production before the pandemic. Supposedly they started principle photography but I don' t know how far they got. I haven't heard anything since.

It's for Amazon Prime, and it seems their target audience (judging by the casting) is south asians (particularly pajeets, webm related). I think game of thrones was very popular with this demographic. It's going to be shit.

>>18249163
flintlock fantasy

>>18249201
I don't mean a 19th century style setting. I mean specifically the life trajectory of Napoleon; a relatively mundane man who aspires to greatness far beyond his station and through perseverance, brains, and passion, actually manages to achieve the impossible. But who then loses it all in the end.

>>18249218
yes, the majority of flintlock fantasy

>>18249225
I see, any specific recommendations?

>>18249193
Already can tell it’s going to be shit.

>>18249342
One look at the "what the fuck even is that"-tier mutts they cast makes that clear. The Emond's Field natives being swarthy is perhaps defensible, since they're all meant to have dark hair and look little like Rand. Why'd they have to choose such ugly mutts for the role though? But Rand being monkey lipped is just wrong. He's supposed to be the son of a blonde aryan woman and a ginger arab-larping celtic man. Not an octoroon.

Lan as an asian is defensible. The borderlanders are described as wearing their hair in topknots, a traditionally japanese hairstyle.

>>18249376
>The borderlanders
I'm sure there must have been something in the books about them being slant-eyes, or anything to that effect
I've always imagined Lan as some kind of Mongolian/Asian

Was it really just their culture, clothing, horses??? that flipped a switch in my brain?
No actual detailed descriptions of Lan or his people as being Asian looking? I mean, beyond the black hair, which obviously allows for an Asian look, but isn't at all narrowing down details.

I know he is big and all, and Asians are twinks, but I just figured he was a special case.

>>18249610
These books contain fairly few hints at the race/ethnicity of characters, with some exceptions. The Aeil are described as pale skinned, tanned by the sun, with mostly bright red hair (some are more blonde).

Shienerans are described as dark haired with topknots, and their bathhouse culture is something straight out of a harem anime (the harem anime themes run strong in this series, what with Rand having three chicks.)

Emonds Fielders are described as having dark hair, contrasting with Rand. I think there might be a small number of references to Egwene having light skin, but I'm not 100% sure about that.

The Cairhienins I believe are dark haired with light skin. Moraine should exemplify this. I've always considered them kinda French, but I'm not sure.

The Andorans, unlike the people of the two rivers, are known for their blonde hair. Morgase and Elayne in particular exemplify this. These two characters are white with blonde hair, zero doubt.

The Seanchan are ethnically diverse. Their royal family is evidently black, Tuon is certainly a black bitch. But Egeanin has fair skin.

For the Illianers and Tairens, I'm not sure. I think they're meant to be swarthy like Italians.

>>18249697
Also Lanfear is white. Her very pale skin is described numerous times.

>>18249704
Jordan seems to have a thing for pale women with black hair.

>>18249861
and huge tits

>>18249861
I mean, who doesn't?

>>18237203
Craziest urban fantasy I've read. Completely nuts. Hopefully this author actually continues writing. Profile says he's a programmer, and his other releases are fucking programming textbooks dating back 20 years.

>>18242873
You need to read them, he finally did the one thing he needed to do a long time ago.

what are some good really large fantasy series I can get lost in?
Even though the books aren't too long I like the idea of Chronicles of Narnia
I'm considering: Cosmere, Wheel of time. Mazalan, and Discworld even though I'd prefer something serious

What others exist?

>>18250878
Shadows of the Apt if you like science vs magic. Also insect people.

>>18250878
The Second Apocalypse series by Bakker. Start with the Darkness that Comes Before.

Other ones include stuff like Realm of the Elderlings, Riftwar Cycle, The Dark Tower, ASOIF, First Law, and Black Company. Though some of those are of dubious quality.

>>18251022
This is where your shitposting backfires. No one will take this suggestion seriously if they've spent an hour in one of these threads. Good job.

>>18251034
Jokes on you. I read Bakker because of the Bakkerposting. Glad I did too because it is unironically some of the best fantasy I've ever read.

>>18251044
Is it? Now you have a people who won't read it out of spite. Doesn't seem like it's a joke on anyone but the people who like his work but unironically shitpost like retards anyway.

>>18249887
Fags.

>>18250878
Wheel of Time is pretty gud tbqh ignore the haters

>>18248481
This is THE cheeki breeki that inspired the cheeki breeki game.

>>18251419
Thankfully fags don't exist in Randland, only lesbians.

>>18251569
>only lesbians
That's worse.

>>18251569
You will never be a woman.

/sffg/, how do I avoid the mistakes of Rothfuss, Martin and the guy who did Hunter X Hunter?

I'm afraid I've already failed

>>18251658
Tip of a black trans penis in rectum.

>>18251658
By not writing.

>>18251690
okay, i've already fucked up

>>18251711
Delete it so save yourself.

>>18243061
It's a nice read every now and again.

What's a better villain name: Antizen or Zenanti

>>18251793
Zenanti, because its named after a branch of the Northern Berber language

>>18251552
The books take to long to finish, I swear, you could removes volumes in the middle of the series and nothing changes.

>>18251839
Is it really that bad? I keep seeing this repeated often here.

>>18246155
Well, how would you depict them?

>>18251854
It holds a grain of truth. Some of the books were nothing more than filler and to pad out the series.

>>18251878
Extremely lucky getting to probe 15 year old anime girls.

>>18245337
Some of them are good. Don’t be such a prude.

>>18238566
Any book similar to Interview with a vampire? Loved the story and the way it was told.

>>18245435
Wait until I write my book. It will revolutionize the Urban Fantasy subgenre.

>>18250878
The Amber series by Roger Zelazny

>>18251966
What’s that about?

>>18251972
Scheming and a battle for the throne. GRRM and Roger Z both lived in Santa Fe and were friends, ASOFAI has clear influences from the Amber books.

>>18251988
I do like ASOIAF, so I think I'll check it out, thanks for the recommendation.

>>18251988
How’s wildcard? The supposed superhero series GRRM made.

>>18251854
They're long books, but not really that long. It's pretty easy reading.

>>18250878
The Belgariad. It has like five books.

I wish I were simply an above average writer so I could write short stories of all the random fantasy and sci-fi shit that pops into my head. Wouldn't even care about getting them published; just offer them up for free online to whoever would be interested. End of blog post.

>>18251640

>>18252043
Why not just post on Royal road.

>>18252055
Because I am not an above average writer.

>>18252004
I haven't read much but it's hit and miss like most short story collections.

>>18252043
Write them anyway. Writing is a skill that can be leveled up. Consoom analytically: take notes on what you're watching/reading/playing. Read books and listen to podcasts about writing.

>>18252059
You don't need to be an above average writer to post there.

>>18252064
>I haven't read much but it's hit and miss like most short story collections.
That’s unfortunate to read. I had some hope for them.

>>18251793
>Antizen
Antizen: State of consciousness usually associated with Dissociative drugs, which can feel almost equivalent to higher meditative states but differ in an objectivity and fondness for fear, madness, sadness, disconnection, etc.

>>18252117
You might like them more than me. I'm not into superheroes as much as fantasy and sci-fi, like I've oly seen maybe half of the MCU and DCEU movies.

>>18252144
I thought wildcards was supposed to be different than marvel and DC.

>>18244159
>Within shadows cast by the dayglo lights of a city where the party never stops, one man finds himself at the epicenter of the biggest financial deal in history. With massive fortunes and control of powerful industries on the line, he plunges into the tangled weave where high-stkes finance, powerful politics, and grimy criminal syndicates vie for control of the seething masses of humanity. And cutting his way free of the ties that bind forces him to choose between escape from this sordid world, and saving the girl of his dreams. "Neon Harvest" is a thrilling technoir adventure set in a retrofuture that might have been

>>18252150
It's different. Like the Lewis Shiner story is more Dark Horse/indie. I'm just not very into capes in general so I'm not the ideal audience for Wild Cards.

>>18252094
But I would want my writing to be of quality; even if it's above average. No one wants to read bad writing and bad writers shouldn't post their crap in the first place.

>>18252164
I see, I’ll check it out when I have the time the.

>>18252163
Based.

>>18252190
Everything is based these days. What isn't based?

>>18249193
The way GOT ended will never not make me laugh. Literally burnt the entire franchise to the ground.

>>18252229
>Literally burnt the entire franchise to the ground.
Don't forget that the producers who made it, ruined their careers because of it.

Does anyone else like Solo Leveling? Can someone recommend a similar series?

>>18252242
Kill the hero.
Tomb Raider King.
I Am the Sorcerer King.

>>18252229
Don’t they still have that star wars movie by Disney?

>>18251878
Tentaclefolk should be properly depicted in a gray morality setting: capable of both good and evil depending on what happens to the individual squid. Not as "See human, kill human. See world, destroy world."

>>18252284
Too nuanced and complex. Simplicity is the best option here.

>>18252298
I suppose if you need a cheap way to end a fantasy franchise you could always have otherworld squids invade the at end. But this is lousy writing.

>>18252308
That maybe so, but it sells, anon, and that’s all that matters in the end.

>>18252315
I swear, the commercialization was a mistake for sff.

>>18252328
It put sff on top and it allowed it to experiment with several different ideas.

>>18242869
This shit gets tiresome after a while, but it’s true. Wonder when they will shake things up.

>>18252340
>experiment with several different ideas.
The fuck are you on about? Everything is formulaic now, not experimental.

>>18246155
Be the change you want it to be, and write a story about it.

>>18236188
>Metrophage
Isn't that book for free or something?

>>18252370
Yeah, the author gave up the rights for it. Wish more authors did that with their works. Allow everyone to read it for free.

>>18250878
Try Discworld

>>18249193
What the fuck is this shit?

>>18252391
Group reaction, pretty famous when GoT was airing.

>>18252391
a representative sample of game of thrones tv adaption enthusiasts.

New thread
>>18252397

>>18252229
>Literally burnt the entire franchise to the ground.
ngl I quit about half way into the first book, but can you explain what they did to burn it down?

>>18252403
The franchise’s future.

>>18252406
but what did they do that constituted the burning?

>>18252403
>but can you explain what they did to burn it down?
They started to deviate further and further away from the books, to the point that the later seasons might as well be fan fiction.

>>18252408
What he >>18252408 said.

>>18252408
What he>>18252409 said.

>>18252409
>>18252422
>>18252408
More like, once the show-runners ran out of GRRM's book materials, with the plots, schemes and dialogues already codified, they had to invent on the fly season by season what was going to happen. The result is that characters didn't get killed off, lousy dialogue replaced decent lines, schemes made way for dialogue and all semblance of narrative drive was thrown out the window (like Bran). Result is a deeply unsatisfying ending that will stand the test of time on how not to end a franchise.

>>18252727
hopefully this teaches the television industry a lesson about making adaptations of book series that aren't even finished yet.

>>18252185
You might get some feedback there and improve from it.

Rec me something with new age themes like angels of the light dwelling in Summerland or plaedeain starships assisting humanity

>>18252727
>More like, once the show-runners ran out of GRRM's book materials
The show runners cut off book materials.