/lit/ - Literature

>>18214978
Why add the word Western?
What's wrong with the other general?

>>18214978
Just finished Claw of the conciliator, what a wild ride.

Top 40 recommended authors and their works so far in /wsffg/ in descending order:

Gene Wolfe:
>Book of the New Sun
R. Scott Bakker
>The Second Apocalypse
Glen Cook
>The Black Company
>The Dread Empire
Frank Herbert
>Dune
David Eddings
>The Belgradiad
>Malloreon
>Elenium
Steven Erikson
>Malazan Book of the Fallen
J.R.R. Tolkien
>Lord of the Rings
Patrick Rothfuss
>The Kingkiller Chronicles
David Gemmell
>Legend
>Wolf in Shadow
Andrzej Sapkowski
>The Witcher
Robert E. Howard
>Conan the Cimmerian
Roger Zelazny
>The Chronicles of Amber
Jack Vance
>Dying Earth
>Lyonesse Trilogy
Joe Abercrombie
>The First Law
Isaac Asimov
>The Gods Themselves
Michael Moorcock
>Elric
Clark Ashton Smith
>Zothique
Robert Jordan
>The Wheel of Time
Ursula K. Le Guin
>The Left Hand of Darkness
William Hope Hodgson
>The Night Land
Fritz Leiber
>Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser
Scott Lynch
>Gentlemen Bastard
>The Lies of Locke
Raymond E. Feist
>The Riftwar Cycle
>Krondor's sons
John Norman
>Tarnsman of Gor
George R.R. Martin
>The Dying of the Light
>Game of Thrones
H.P. Lovecraft
>The Call of Cthulhu
Jim Butcher
>The Dresden Files
Brandon Sanderson
>Cosmere
Dunsany
>The Gods of Pegana
Stephen King
Mervyn Peake
>Gormenghast
Robin Hobb
>Realm of the Elderlings
Tad Williams
>Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn
Sarah J. Maas
>A Court of Thorns and Roses
Jorge Luis Borges
Boris Strugatsky
>Roadside Picnic
Brian Catling
>The Vorth Trilogy
H.G. Wells
>Time Machine

>>18215002
We only want to talk about authors from Western European and American origin.

>>18215002
Some trannoids cant stop posting chinkshit, anime and fuck off back to /a/. They insist its /lit/ content when in reality its not.

>>18215022
>>18215027
I see

>>18214978
>Who are our favorite wordsmiths? Provide examples of their work if you can.
Unironically Bakker
>How purple do you like your prose to be?
I like it very purple
>List at least one modern SFF book that you think has good prose.
Malazan is okay?
>What are you currently reading?
Wheel of Time

>>18214978
You were four posts too soon, don’t make a new thread before the bump limit, you spamming faggot.

>>18215021
>Sarah J. Maas

>>18215055
She is not very high up the list

>>18215047
I mean, he's a spamming faggot no matter what he does

>>18215021
>no tchaikovsky
ngmi

The past week or so I have been reading The Elric Saga and thinking about all the trad bands that were inspired by it got me disappointed and sort of pissed that no black metal band bothered with it, especially given the attention to Tolkien, so much so that I'm thinking of forming a band with the very purpose of giving the sound to the darker and more esoteric concepts of the Melnibone culture and series as a whole. How the fuck haven't people thought of it before, like imagine giving the voice to Stormbringer, it's precisely something up black metal's alley ffs!

>>18215303
Recommend him enough and maybe he will be on the list. The list is compiled from just three threads so some undeserving authors are on the list and some deserving are not.

>>18215021
Add Brian Catling's The Vorrh trilogy on the list.

>>18215319
That author is in my big list. He hasnt been recommended enough in the wsffg threads yet to show up in top 40. I might make the Google Sheet available some day

>>18215366
>>18215318
Never mind he is actually in the top 40 list at the bottom, with typo.

>>18215366
i'm the one who mentioned wolf in shadow and i thought you were literally including every book that gets mentioned even once.
did someone else recommend wolf in shadow?

>>18215397
The author has been recommended a lot and that is why Wolf in Shadow is also there, I include even the less mentioned books even if the author is mostly recommended mentioning some one certain book. Legend is the work people have been mentioning when recommending Gemmell

Eternal reminder that the OP of this thread is a tranny fetishist redditor.

>>18215437
Okay, why the fuck do you care and why the fuck should I care that you care about something as benign and irrelevant as that? As long as he is a legit lover of fantasy that encourages others to read good stuff and someone that calls attention to less known titles or those that are known but have been sort of forgotten, or just a person that has an earnest interest and actually reads for a change, what matters everything else?

>>18215437

>>18215445
You should visit /sffg/ instead of taking part in some schizophrenic's safespace, obviously.

>>18215459
I?m in both.

>>18215473
are there this many people from this thread raiding the other thread and whining about op there too

>>18215484
There always are.

>>18215484
Constantly, and are often trying to derail it.

>>18215493
>>18215502
jesus christ if you're gonna seperate just seperate this is retarded, stop raiding each other

>>18215484
the other thread has divine right to exist, this one is an infidel safespace

>>18215013
What are you going to read next?

>>18215511
The OP from this thread refuses to leave /sffg/, even after announcing him leaving, and is trying to start shit.

>>18215513
>>18215511
>>18215502
>>18215493
>>18215484
>>18215473
>>18215459
>>18215437

OP here. I haven't been to your thread today. Please leave this thread alone and you will be left alone.

>>18215021
Sanderson, Jordon, Sarah J.Maas should all be removed. Either that or make a seperate paragraph for YA/12+ reading.

>>18215530
>>18215526
went to check the latest 50 posts of the other thread and it seems like raiding is only one way currently

>>18215558
I'll see if I add (YA) label on them. Does Maas deserve YA or NA label?

>>18215559
The last two threads were raided heavily, and even the current one was raided from the start.

>>18215564
Don't be peer pressured into doing such stuff, those authors should remain where they are. DON'T GIVE IN.

>>18215571
Don’t forget that the OP from here also shills his thread on /sffg/. Guy just can’t help himself.

>>18215559
>>18215530
lying dumb nigger>>18215276

>>18215310
>voice to stormbringer
done here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IF9BMvhfGI
other good ones include:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fPl4ZVkSfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TqlHhXi5VQ

>>18215517
Sword of lictor obviously.

>>18215586
I didnt really go to check that shitty thread, who even goes there lmao. Can you fuck off now to your precious thread

>>18215594
Nope, not at all. Songs like Borrowed Time, The Golden Void and Veteran of the Psychic War, hell, even CF's Stormbringer captured Elric wonderfully, but never Stormbringer. Never his howling, never his malign personality and just how fucking evil and vile the blade and the entity are. Traditional heavy metal and European power metal can never give that voice to Stormbringer, but black metal can and already should have. Also, you can't really capture some of the more esoteric and bizarre concepts and features of the Melnibonean culture with a limited style of metal like that, you really need black metal and the endless abyss of possibilities it provides.

>>18215601
Based.

>>18215610
like I said, you are a nigger

>>18215564
From my understand she is generic teenage girl writer #259, just the one that managed to catch the zeitgeist and ride it to assloads of money. Jordan and Sanderson are both mega popular too, doesn't make their stuff not YA. It is almost insulting to compare alongside better writers.

Imagine putting Sanderson next to Wolfe on a panel for example.

>>18215615
Song of swords does with the 'aggressive whispering', which is always how I imagined Stormbringer sounding to Elric.

Black metal is generally shit, so looking for stuff there would be a waste of time. Vocals are always dreadful.

>>18215634
>Black metal is generally shit, so looking for stuff there would be a waste of time. Vocals are always dreadful.
So we discovered the problem, you have shit taste.

>>18215639
Go get a nice instrumental and play someone being violently sick over it. You have now replicated 99.999% of black metal.

>>18215459
I'm also in both but there's a difference between /a/ and /co/ and that's why they're separate boards. I prefer Western. I've studied tai chi for years but I still don't want to read a cultivation story.

>>18215627
>Spergs out about Jordan and Sanderson
>Ignores Jim Butcher despite the fact that the Dresden Files are written at a 7th grade level but contain adult themes and language so suddenly they're not YA
I'm all for gatekeeping but yours is not logical or self-consistent.

>>18215760
shut the fuck up, nigger

>>18215777
You need to have something for the urban fantasy crowd. Butcher is - somehow - still the best in that area.

How do you do fellow westerners

>>18215021
Nice you fixed the formatting
My minor nitpicks would be adding Fifth head of the Cerberus and Latro/Soldier of the Mist for Gene Wolfe, and change Game of Thrones to A Song of Ice and Fire/ASOIAF

>>18215564
>>18215627
Maas was 26 and had been out of college for 4 years when Throne of Glass came out. I'd call her NA instead of YA but I don't think the list needs to differentiate.

>>18216245
NA doesn't really mean anything though, since it refers to the age of the protagonists, whereas YA is speaking more towards the reading level. NA is just something within the YA genre.

>>18216263
True

>>18215627
>Imagine putting Sanderson next to Wolfe on a panel for example.
I'd pay to watch that.

>>18215627
>From my understand she is generic teenage girl writer #259, just the one that managed to catch the zeitgeist and ride it to assloads of money.
You make it sound like it's something trivial.

>>18216542
Sad to inform you that Wolfe passed 2 year ago

>>18216616
I know, I know.
It's a sad state of affairs.

>complains about how lowbrow an non-/lit/ chinkshit and nipshit is
>reads shit like Butcher and Lynch
pathetic

Has anybody stumbled upon some good mil sci-fi lately?
Something preferably new, maybe written this year? I am getting tired trawling through Navy SEALS in spaceee crap.

>>18216580
Well it’s not trivial so much as it isn't relevant. 'The very hungry caterpillar' crushes her stuff in terms of sales, so we're clearly not looking at books based on how much money they've made. There isn't really anything else you can say about her work other than it sold a lot.

>>18216662
Nobody who reads Butcher thinks he is all that good. They just like urban fantasy, and there is nothing else there.

>>18216714
>Nobody who reads Butcher thinks he is all that good. They just like urban fantasy, and there is nothing else there.
>no, trust me, I am not gay, I just like getting buttfucked

>>18216689
Old man's war?

>>18216714
I am amazed at the fact that she was able to somehow grab attention of so much readers among so many damn near identical novels. And when I say identical I am talking about nearly identical plots. characters, heck even book covers.
That took some work. Or luck.

>>18216800
>Old man's war?
Read it. And kept reading until Scalzi turned into a soccer mom somewhere along the line.
The last mil sci-fi novel that caught my attention was the Cry Pilot by Joel Dane. And that novel read like corporate propaganda from the future.
Between the usual Baen Books crap, the spec ops in space and the just plain crap there isn't a lot to go on.

>>18216885
Hmm unfortunate
If you don't mind trying other settings/non scifi you could try to seek out historical or modern mil fiction

>>18216736
>Butcher is a bad writer.
>Sure, but I like the setting.
>T-the setting is gay too ;(
Cope more baby boy. Nobody is saying Butcher is good so you don't have anything to piss and moan about. And urban fantasy might be shit, but it doesn't read like an AI post, so it’s already orders of magnitude better than chinkshit simply from using the English language properly.

>>18214978
Congrats on restoring the OP to how it looked years ago I guess. You've succeeded in being a reactionary.

>>18214978
>imgoat
This gives me a security warning won't open any of them.

>>18216662
At least the First Gentlemen Bastards was decent for what it was. Butcher, Sanderson and Maas just write boring, paint by numbers, lowest common denominator trash that an algorithm could shit out these days.

Never really read sci fi but trying to get into it a bit more. I’ve read the expanse books and Enders Game as tasters but which do I read next out of these?
The Stars My Destination
Shadow of the Torturer
Foundation
Hyperion
Neuromancer
I’m a massive fucking pleb I know but please help.

>>18216183
Is latro really that good?

>>18217378
Hyperion

>>18217378
I'd read Neuromancer but also replace The Stars My Destination with The Demolished Man

>>18217416
Yes

>>18215021
>ctrl+f
>no lem
why

>>18217430
What did you like about it anon?

>>18217378
Start with the Stars My Destination, it's a classic and laid the groundwork for most of those books

>>18216885
For a long time people made livings from writing Tolkien-lite book series.

>>18217346
Sanderson gets better and better with every novel. I have never witnessed an author 'level up' so distinctly. His plots or themes may not be your cup of tea but to reduce him to mass market normie shit is disingenuous.

>>18216937
I covered that too.
Junger's Storm of Steel, Ambrose's Band of Brothers, Herr's Dispatches, Chickenhawk, Generation Kill, and many, many others.

>>18217495
For a long time far, far more people did not made their living from writing Tolkien-lite books and not for the lack of trying.

>>18217574
He is like the definition of the mass market normie shit. Along with few other writers who write cookie cutter fantasy.

>>18218179
>He is like the definition of the mass market normie shit. Along with few other writers who write cookie cutter fantasy.
Guess how I know you've not read a new Sanderson novel. If you're seething about 'cookie cutter mass market' then half of that list goes including Steven King, Feist, Robin Hobb, etc. Just explicitly define what criteria you use to judge the rather crowded space of fantasy books otherwise keep your aloof bullshit to yourself.

>>18216736
>there is nothing else out there
At the very least, Glen Cook's "noir" series isn't YA.

>>18217574
His Stormlight Archive books are getting worse

>>18217378
Shadow of the Torturer
Gene Wolfe is one of the best SFF writers

>>18215760
>I still don't want to read a cultivation story

Meanwhile in Bakker:
>The instinct to bigotry that had nearly killed him in Caraskand had quickly come to heel, to serve, compelling acquiescence, silencing critics, even murdering enemies. For years, he had grappled the great beast that was the Three Seas, pinned it to earth, and with gifts and brutalities he had trained it, until his name only need be uttered—until his tyranny had become indistinguishable from his being. This allowed him to move from nations to truths, to turn his intellect full upon the maddening abstracta of the Daimos, the Metagnosis, and the Thousandfold Thought.
>He had pierced the obscurantist veils, grasped the metaphysics of Creation, transformed meaning into miracles. He had walked the ways of Hell, returned bedecked in trophies. No one, not even the legendary Hero-Mage of ancient Ûmerau, Titirga, could rival his arcane might.
>Domination. Over lives and nations. Over history and ignorance. Over existence itself, down through the leaves of reality’s countless skins. No mortal had possessed such might. His was a power and potency that not even the Gods, who must ration themselves across all times, could hope to counter, short of scooping themselves hollow and forever dwelling as phantoms …
>No soul had so owned Circumstance. He, and he alone, was the Place, the point of maximal convergence. Nations hung from his whim. Reality grovelled before his song. The Outside itself railed against him.

I want to get into military scifi, what are the good ones other than Starship Troopers?

>>18219737
Dune

>>18219737
Old Man's War

>>18219737
In my experience a lot of milscifi is just shitty vietnam copewriting and anti-war allegories.
If you know what you want you can either pare down your selection into a handful of really good titles, or you can join us in the camp of waiting for someone to just make another starship troopers.
I'd like a Lost Fleet that didn't suck. The same kind of setting as starship troopers (instead of hypocritical political browbeating) but with more focus on fleet maneuvers and operations.

>>18219737
I tried to read Starship Troopers, but dropped it before the end, despite it being a very thin book. It's extremely bland and poorly written. Cardboard characters, endless jerking off about how mathematically correct the morals are, bla bla bla, who gives a shit. I think the fanbase are mostly rightoids who don't don't read books and want someone to tell them what they believe. The book was so bad it put me off reading Heinlein completely.

It's not even that I disagree, it was just all very uninteresting. It's like those ancient Romans who wanked each other off about how virtuous their ancestors were, even though their ancestors were exactly as degenerate and retarded as they are, except in this case it's projected into the future, but that doesn't make it any less cringy.

I don't understand the praise for this book, it's incredibly tedious and empty.

>>18217378
Read Asimov, Moorcock and Ellison, also Huxley, H.G. Wells, Verne and Zelazny's Lord of Light.

>>18219892
I like Starship Troopers because the setting is basically pic related. That's unique as far as military scifi goes.
It's weird to me that this upsets you, but you might like The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress more since it has a lot more man vs man as a theme.

>>18219737
Halo lore is kind of a mediocre ripoff but still pretty comfy military sci-fi to read.

>>18215319
>>18215366
Caitling's books are hot trash. He can't write

>>18216542
They put harlan and Asimov with him and the difference was palpable.

>>18215021
I'm so tired of this, you guys only talk about the same fucking books

>>18215021
>The Dread Empire
I just tried Dead Empire but the pacing is so bad I had to double check and make sure I didn't get a back epub.

Got my nice and big editions of Lightbringer (the black prism) and Best Served Cold.

>>18220494
Was thinking of reading Lightbringer. The #1 review on goodreads calling it sexist has definitely got me interested. How is the prose?

>>18220331
I've never seen a recent book discussed in any iteration of /sffg/. The first entry in Adrian Tchaikovsky's new space opera is releasing this month, which going by his track record, is gonna be great.

>>18218551
Anon I am not some "aloof" elitist, you just have shit taste. Sanderson is nothing special, so what?
Read him and enjoy his work instead of getting so popper peeved.

>>18220977
Pog

>>18221796

>>18218551
>If you're seething about 'cookie cutter mass market' then half of that list goes including Steven King, Feist, Robin Hobb, etc.
Sounds good.

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck Pay Pigs
Fuck Pay Walls

>>18216736
Butcher has improved tremendously over the years. A much better writer than Joe "sucked his gums" Abercrombie.

>>18222296
>Butcher has improved tremendously over the years.
Take a shot for everytime a character's "eyes flash" with an adjective in his latest book. You'll be fucking dead inside 5 chapters.

>>18222296
Both of them are awful.
Neither is capable of improvement.
Stop reading children's books.

>>18222174
Based fuck X spammer

>>18222296
Invoking Abercrombie as a benchmark is sad. It's like comparing your mile time to a guy in a wheel chair.

>>18215021
I'm glad Tad Williams is there but still sad the only thing people know him for is the first series he wrote.

>>18220331
People here mostly just read the same authors over and over again and rarely (if ever) read anything new, and when they do, they basically hate it for not being exactly like their favorite author and shit all over discussion for it which drives people away from these threads.

>>18221371
You're throwing a fit over Sanderson being on some list and other people are booty blasted?

>>18219892
>It's like those ancient Romans who wanked each other off about how virtuous their ancestors were, even though their ancestors were exactly as degenerate and retarded as they are

Except you are wrong. If this were true, the Roman Republic would have never prevailed during the 2nd Punic War after taking so many losses. They would never have become the dominant power of the Italian peninsula in the first place. Imperial-age "Romans" wouldn't have had the VIRTUS to have prevailed in the same situation.

After the 2nd Punic War, Rome goes into serious social decline, with the collapse of the rural Italian middle-class, and the aristocracy beginning to assume more plebeian traits in regards to commercial pursuits. This all leads into the troubles of the final century of the Republic, and by the Imperial period, you're really not even dealing with the same people anymore.

"The name Roman in Hannibal's day meant a people, in Trajan's time nothing more than a population."

>general on /lit/
>never read anything only argue about decade old literature no one gives a fuck about
KYS

>>18222486
because it's identical to every other series he writes. Everything is just nostalgic fantasy played straight ad nauseam

>>18222527
>>18219892

To be clear, I'm mostly meh about Starship Troopers myself, buy you're a historylet.

>>18222527
Rome was always shit
>VIRTUS
Good joke, unless you mean breeding like rabbits and being ready to backstab your kind over flimsy excuses which were the keys to Roman dominance since it was a literal mafia state

>>18222537
Not really. MS&T is an old school heroic fantasy plot with the callow youth who is the secret heir to the good king of old, wields a magic sword, slays dragons, rescues princess, befriends the elves, etc. But Shadowmarch is a lot darker and it's more of a mythological/theological mystery with a lot of influence from fairy tales. Otherland isn't even fantasy and most of the book is set in virtual reality.

>>18222657
"Virtue" had a very different meaning than it does now.

>>18222657
>>18222735
Point is, Romans of the early Republican period had virtues which Imperal-age Romans very much did not.

Been away from /lit/ for a while now.

Can someone guide me through this general and why it was created?

>>18222893
Discussion of sci-fi and fantasy with anime/weeb exclusion.

>>18222893
This thread split because a schizophrenic is trying to create a safespace because some anons wanted to discuss Asian like Kōbō Abe, Cixin Liu, Lee Yeongdo, etc, etc in the /sffg/ general. I think a few anons wanted to discuss asian web serials, but they were mostly a minority.

>>18222916
Where does one discuss Bakker? /sffg/ is fucking dead and filled with söys now.

>>18222893
Bakkerschizo is completely off his meds.

>>18222935
What does that even mean?

>>18222940
That a schizophrenic is off his medication.

>>18222893
I think we need a third general, one for books written by bipoc and lgbtq+ authors.

>>18222940
/wsffg/ was created because /sffg/ has too much anime, hololive, manga and chinkshit. This is the most neutral answer you will get as almost every answer is from the anime posters of /sffg/ seething about “schizo”

>>18222932
Here

>>18223055
>/sffg/
Just checked there’s no discussion of anime, Hololive, manga. And chinkshit is rarely discuss.

>>18223055
Good riddance. This is where I will post then. I was wondering what the hell happened to that general for a couple of days now. Never seen so much söy gathered in one place.

I thought this was just another "Speculative Fiction General" attempt.

>>18223071
Do they discuss Sanderson?

OP here. Just realized the other thread which I myself personally have left alone is filled with derailing, samefagging and “schizo” stuff even though I believe I was at first “the schizo”. I have honestly no idea what is happening over there. It seems the very presence of this general is causing havoc. Try to keep your seething to a minimum while you are raiding here webnovel chinkshits.

/wsffg/, home.

>>18223071
I think it’s because it’s being derailed so much. Check previous /sffg/ threads

>>18223083
Probably but he can be discussed here also even tho he is YA

>>18223077
Based

>>18223115
>I think it’s because it’s being derailed so much. Check previous /sffg/ threads
Last two threads neither.

>>18223132
Go deeper, or then you are blind. Also what the fuck is up with all those anime OP pics?

>>18223071
It's always been like that. The few occurrences of Asian /lit/ discussions are just an excuse to center an entire general around Bakkerposting. Won't last for more than a few months since there's no reason 2 different /sffg/ threads have to exist. It would've been nice if the Bakker schizos stayed in their containment thread, but they constantly invade and shitpost in the other one anyway.

>>18223168
That's when I unironically left visiting /sffg/. That was after peak Bakker.

>>18223213
>It would've been nice if the ANIME schizos stayed in their containment BOARDS, but they constantly invade and shitpost in every other one anyway.
Hell, several of the posters a few threads back said they came from a Reddit discord just to shitpost because of the Hololive mongrel being a spastic and doing 70+ posts a thread.

>>18223613
It's criminal what chinese cartoons do to people.
How many lives have been ruined by this menace?

>>18215318
test

>>18223634
I took a random look at /a/ with my hazmat suit on and it really is just coomer central. They don't just stay in their containment boards. Look at /mu/, kpop jpop threads are just basically a /jp/ coomtown and it looks like they want to turn /sffg/ into another /a/ exclave

>>18223896
Some anime critic once said that the cuteness of 'moe' is just a projection of the 30+ year old lonely men's desire of wanting to have a daughter, perhaps perverted his some unfulfilled lust.

>>18223613
The anime schizos are much less destructive than the Bakker schizos. They've dominated /sffg/ for the entirety of 2021. Just look at the latest thread. Every single post is a Bakker shitpost.

>The anime schizos are much less destructive than the Bakker schizos. They've dominated /sffg/ for the entirety of 2021. Just look at the latest thread. Every single post is a Bakker shitpost.

Imagine jumping threads just to cry about someone posting Bakker on her "Blog".

LMAO

>>18223934
>anime schizos

Ah yes, because I can't enjoy another medium without having a mental disorder? Right. You realize outside of your tiny bubble of western art, that anime is considered absolutely normal for adult educated humans to watch right? Adults read One Piece when commuting to work on the subway for instance. Anime is much more mature than your infantile western superhero cartoons or young adult stuff. Do you even know what Seinen is? There's sex and violence and tons of mature stuff in anime that I haven't seen in western scifi like Ender's Game. Works like Berserk and Monster is deeper than any of that bakkerfag shit. But go on, keep pushing this myth that your western stuff is somehow deeper and that we're 'schizos' for enjoying art from other cultures.

>>18223960
Oh, sorry, you just HAPPEN to also have a mental disorder.

>>18223960
lol bakkerfags BTFO

>>18223971
Why? Because I'm open minded and want to go against the grain of xenophobia and Eurocentrism here?

>Thread rules:
>No anime
>No manga/comic books
>Only books by western and European authors

And yet I'm mentally ill? Once again kid, broaden your horizons. Leave your litte /lit/ bubble every once in a while and realize that not everybody loves dead white male stuff.

>>18223986
Yep, that's a strong 10 on the mental illness scale.

>>18223960
>>18223986
>>18223934
>>18223973

You will literally never win.

>>18223960
>>18223986
Fuck off anime posters.

>This thread is only active when discussing anime or trying to derail /sffg/
It all makes so much sense now.

reminder that bakkerfags and animefags are the same exact people lmao

>>18224007
Only involuntary celibates watch anime.

>>18223986
>>18223960
>Imagine watching anime as an adult

>>18224015
Yes, that's what I said. They're the same exact "people."

Elayne sisters, why does Rand keep on thinking about Min? I'm scared...

>>18223986
>>18223960
Bro I'm also an animefag but if you want to talk about that shit go to /a/. This is literally a general thread for western sci-fi books, there's a whole board for anime

>>18224070
Animu, VNs, LNs and manga have never been /lit/. This thread is literally pointless.

>>18224077
>/lit/erally pointless*

>>18224052
Min and her dumptruck ass have a part to play... in the prophecy of course.

>>18220331
I'll admit to being the Zelazny shill but he was my favorite. I'm currently reading Ka: Dar Oakley in the Ruin of Ymr by John Crowley and Circe by Madeline Miller

>>18224098
It helps that she isn't a titanic cunt like Rand's two other side hoes.

>>18223941
Why do you keep detailing /sffg/ then?

>>18224040
Does it trouble you?

Guys guys what if Bakkerbros are the backbones of /lit/ and the ones holding up the quality of conversation? We're essentially the private business owners of Atlas Shrugged and the /wsffg/ diaspora is a result of basically us shrugging off the weebs (government/workers). Their thread will crumble without us in no time and the weebs and people defending anime will look up and shout "save our thread" and we'll whisper "no". Anyways fuck anime amirite XD?

>>18224213
Do you expect a mentally ill individual to suddenly become well? As long as he has access to the internet, he'll continue to shitpost. Does he actually read literature? Unlikely. None of the Bakker shitposts actually discuss his works. All you get are the same old pastas and one sentence responses. Watch him greentext this post with another wojak, further demonstrating his mental illness.

>>18224213
I like details, why else?

>>18224230
Just wanted to know his motive in trying to kill /sffg/ or making false claims like discussing anime, Hololive, manga when none of the has ever happened. Discussing Chinese web novels happen but rarely.

>>18224246
>Non sequitur and false-flagging in the same post.
Careful now, it’s too obvious.

>>18224254
Why don't you his question? Why are you trying to kill /sffg/?

>>18224230
>Does he actually read literature?
Yes.

>>18224254
You continue to repeat yourself, schizo.

>>18224262
Who do you think you’re talking to?

>>18224266
Are you going to answer my question? What made you decide to kill /sffg/ or at the very least try to derail it?

>>18224265
>>18224262
What are you ESLs even doing here? Don’t you have your own containment boards?

>>18224246
Reposting my post >>18224059 here


Is anyone else interested in a dedicated webnovel/lightnovel/litrpg general so we can discuss things free of these bakkerfags? I'm getting tired of these bullies.

>>18224277
Unironically take your meds.

>>18224262
Why do you hate anime r.edditor? YOu do realize that we can have simultaneous discussions of Bakker AND anime at the same time right? And the two fanbases can just ignore each other. *gasp* omg how is that even possible?

>>18224284
Just answer his question so we can finally put this to rest.

>>18224280
>Is anyone else interested in a dedicated webnovel/lightnovel/litrpg general so we can discuss things free of these bakkerfags?
No.

>>18224278
You're such an easily identifiable shitposter that I can fish out most of your posts from the previous /sffg/ thread with at least 90% accuracy. How do you live with yourself? What drives a person to behave in this manner over such a large period of time? I sincerely have no fucking clue how people like you can exist.

Is it actually the response you're getting in your Discord group that drives you? Genuinely want to know why you are the way that you are.

>>18224290
What question?

>>18224297
Why are you trying to kill /sffg/?

>>18224280
Not really.

>>18224294
Answer my question idiot. What's wrong with anime coexisting side by side with western novels? You bakkerfags can just pretend we don't exist. Hell you can even ad block us. All this shitposting and drama is just an excuse for your xenophobia.

>>18224303
Who do you think you’re talking to?

>>18224303
See >>18224230
It's like asking the special kid in class why he's crushing bugs with his penis. He can't help himself, it's why it's called a mental illness.
>>18224310
I'm neither a bakkerfag nor an animefag. You're both.

>>18224317
Answer the question.

She’s getting mad now.

>>18224323
What question?

>>18224332
Why are you trying to kill /sffg/.

>>18224334
That’s not a question.

>>18224334
Answer my question. You can't even name 5 anime you watched this season yet you disparage an entire medium you haven't tried because "omg it doesn't have real people it must be for children!".
If that's not the definition of bigotry I don't know what is.

>>18224340
Just answer his question.

>>18224349
Who’s question? Hers?

>>18224356
Why are you trying to kill /sffg/? Just answer it.

>>18224346
>copium.png

>>18224366
Who do you think you’re talking to?

>>18224366
Why don't you tell me you started your own shitty euros only thread only to keep replying to our thread? If you hate anime so much then stay in this shitty safespace containment haven you'd made yourself and discuss bakker to your heart's content. Stop trying to shit up our thread.

>>18224377
Are you going to answer his question?

>>18224381
You must be trolling

>>18224381
>OUR
This is suspicious.

>>18224381
>our thread.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

You will literally never win.

>>18224390
You mean “her”, right?

>>18224404
Why are you trying to kill /sffg/?

You've killed all legitimacy this thread had as an alternative to /sffg/. What's the point of scrounging up user opinions for a top/recommendations list if you're gonna burn it to the ground with these off-topic meltdowns? Baffling.

When does my boy Mat leave Rand? Dude keeps on getting caught up.

>spergs can't stay in their own thread for 1 second
Pathetic weebs
>broaden your horizons
You retard most of us consume anime and all the other crap as well but don't want to discuss it in /lit/ like obnoxious inbreds since we would go to /a/ if we did

>Read the Canticle of Leibowitz, you dopes. It's a true masterpiece

>>18224606
Why are you trying to kill /sffg/?

>>18224610
I don't care for either
I just want decent sff discussions yet you retards having been incoherently debating and spamming bakker and weeb shit these past few days.
If people don't want to go to one thread or another, then let them be. Who gives a fuck
Don't based your life or personality on a some stupid general on niche board from a dying website

>>18224553
He gradually separates from Rand. I think book 5 is when he starts drifting out of Rand's orbit. In book 6 he fully separates from Rand, and is instead shackled to Nynaeve and Elayne for several books.

>>18224015
sounds like bakkerfags

https://strawpoll.com/pz11z5a19

I haven't read Bakker*, but voted "like Bakker, hate anime" for lack of a better option.

*YET, but I've ordered "The Darkness That Comes Before," and I hope you fags didn't just set me up for a dumb edge-fest.

>>18224774
Only a fool buys books just because they were posted about in these threads.

>>18224803
I've gotten my best recommendations from here, you know

Are forgotten realms novels worth reading? If so, which ones?

I don’t actually read. I only come here to be a contrarian pseud.

I still can't believe you fags divided the community along these lines instead of sci-fi and fantasy. It's like America balkanizing by east and west.

>>18225343
Do you care about D&D?
Are you a teenager?
Do you have a problem basic fantasy stories?
If the answer to all of this is "yes", then surely. I can't speak to any of them published since the 2010s though. They've been ongoing since the 1980s.

>>18224661
FUCK. No more Elayne please, Nynaeve is getting better as she gets more humble. But Elayne and Egwene's egos both continue to grow by the book.

>>18225391
What community? It's just a couple of autists spamming at this point, all the real conversation takes place in threads.

>>18225508
For the past year I have been playing loads of old dnd games (from Eye of the Beholder to more recently Neverwinter Nights) and I think the world building is fairly good,if a bit generic. I'm between books right now, so I'd like to read some 80s fantasy schlock to relax.

>>18225343
I slogged through the prequel trilogy and the original trilogy before I realized they're all the same. Each book is like its own self contained adventure and the character development doesn't really carry over, what little character there is anyway, there'll all canned DnD archetypes. Drizzt never grows out of his brooding 'i'm an oppressed good dark elf' self.

They are comfy though. I don't know of many party based adventures besides The Black Company and this was opposite of that in tone.

>>18224688
>hur durrr sounds like Bakkerfags
The only sounds here are the voices in your head. Try again, sweetie.

I find it funny you’d rather spend your limited existence reading stupid schlock about Mr Knight, or silly space operas about your sexual frustrations, than really breathe the air and live life, hiking, read Infinite Jest or another classic, learning an instrument, or playing chess with friends. How quaint.

>Burgeoning amount of tourists, children, fishermen and the mentally ill
We should start charging entrance fees soon to see the /sffg/ sideshow.

Protip for the guy replying to himself often in the threads: Don't write your posts in the exact same voicing, as it is a dead giveaway its only you.
Retard.

>>18225537
You're about to enter the series' low point. There's still good moments in the books, in particular book 6 has one of my favorite moments in the entire series. But Perrin, Elayne, and Egwene all have real downer chapters that are hard to get through even on reread. I honestly skim a lot of Perrin's stuff on reread once it gets to book 8, same with Egwene and Elayne. My main beef with Elayne is she's just so unbelievably arrogant and never learns from her mistakes. Egwene is probably the most pretentious and full of herself character in the entire series and sadly that's not ever going to change, it's just going to get worse in ways you can't even imagine but, and this is a big spoiler at least she dies a fucking virgin unlike Rand.

>>18225828
It really is the weirdest larp.

I just finish The Crippled God, lads.

Now I feel a sense of loss and resolution. It's a weird mix.

Massive fan of not wrapping everything up in a neat bow.

>>18225881
>Leaves /sffg/ to start his own thread
>Still visits /sffg/ to derail it
I don't understand his motives.

>>18225884
It's quite the ride. There's other Malazan books to read if you can't get enough, but when I first finished it I needed a break. It was a taxing series.

>>18225890
I have not even touched your current thread. It is simply some other bakkerchads raiding it. Like I said, I leave you alone and you leave me alone? I just tend to this general.

>>18225890
He’s insane. That’s the only option that makes any sense now.

>>18225891
Absolutely taxed, but so worth it. I may look to the Ian Esslemont works. But from what I've heard he isn't near as good.

Also am I theorizing correctly that Fiddler's new fiddle allows him to communicate with the Bridgeburner ghosts? In which case all the bridgeburners, living and dead, hang out at Smiley's?

>>18225890
>>18225881
>>18225828
>>18225907
>>18225917
You should really stop larping and using the same phrases. We can smell your ESL english a mile away. Oh and stop doing this shit where the thread has been dead for 20 minutes, and then all of a sudden there's a 6 post """"conversation between two different people""""" within the span of 2 minutes. It makes it painfully obvious what you're doing.

>>18225921
There's also the other ones by Erickson, focused on the Tiste Andii, in particular Anomander Rake. I believe that trilogy is still unfinished though.

>>18225890
Seriously, people weren't kidding when they said anime makes you mentally ill. Maybe he's been banned from /a/ or something so he had to post here.

>>18225951
I'm the one that called it the weirdest larp because we've seen the fake arguing long before the thread split. I think he might be misguidedly trying to "help" /sffg/ with bumps and drama? Either that or he thinks he's smarter than he is but ah, no.
(I'm the Zelazny shill, AMA about Nine Princes in Amber.)

>>18225951
I only have one (you).

>>18225951
Whatever you say

>>18214978
HAHAHA HINDU DINDU, PEEPEE POOPOO!!

>>18225861
Perrin? I'm sad to hear that his POV chapters get worse, his POV chapters in book 4 were fantastic.

>>18225861
>low point
more than just a low point. jordan wanted 13 books but didn't know what to put in them so it's extremely boring filler for like 4 books

>>18214978
do not make another Western SFF thread, simply SFF is more than sufficient. fucking stupid idea. remember the /d/ & /aco/ disaster, but keep it all together, trust me

>>18226628
I will make more /wsffg/ threads. Remember to
>seethe
>dilate

>>18226628
If he doesn't I will. Anime belongs to /a/. Same goes for capeshit like Sanderson.

>>18225951
Literal schizo.

>>18224310
>>18224287
>>18223986
>>18223960

Why does Bakker make involuntary celibates seethe so hard? Genuinely asking.

>>18226771
Wait so this dude is some anime themed schizo AND a tranny?
That's hilarious.
So what did you guys do to "trigger" him? Not that it took much most likely.

>>18226775
Anime incels have never actually read a real book with no pictures in it.

>>18226775
Someone posted this picture on the anime general and some people were angry.

>>18226757
dilate

Who hear listens to audio drama?

Found this dark fantasy one that’s very well done

https://twitter.com/Aethuranpodcast?s=20

>>18226787
>>18226793
Schizo spotted, you can be a Bakker and anime fan, don't try to divide us

>>18226847
>Audio
Ill be sure to exclude audiocucks with additional rule in the next thread

>>18226869
Come on man, don't be such a tranny.

>>18226874
You have trannies and can't stop posting about them, seek help

>>18226869
Whatever you say.

Also according to this poll >>18224737
people either like anime or Bakker.

>>18226882
Really? Why you gotta be like that man.

>>18226873
You’re not even reading literature. You may as well watch The Simpsons with the schlock you ingest.

>>18226893
>The Simpsons
Oh what a surprise, not only an audiocuck but also an animetranny hating on a western cartoon

>>18226900
Cartoons are anime.

>>18226903
No.

>>18226903
Akshually it's the other way around.
I blame Disney for all thischinese cartoon faggotry.
Or maybe the Japs, as usual, perverted everything good about the animated medium.

>>18226912
Oh what a surprise. An animetranny bagging Western white Ubermensch.

>>18226973
It is a sad, sad state of affair. You being just another symptom.

>>18220539
Lightbringer is trash, avoid it like the plague.

are there any Cyberpunk, conspiracy-type novels, but with ONGs and Foundations rather than with corporations?

>>18227014
Yeah. Check out Deus Ex on steam bro

>>18227057
bruh
steam isn't a book tho

>>18227061
Sci fi fantasy “books” aren’t really books either, they’re just drafts for movies and games that will create funko pops in the future

>>18227068
but Tolkien

>>18227071
Tolkien was only nominated for the Nobel by one person: C.S. Lewis, his biffle. He evidently didn’t get it. He has nearly no literary merit beyond The Hobbit, which is the more acceptable of the Middle Earth universe, despite being for literal children.

>>18227071
not "books" either, just anglo cope cause they have no actual history and myths

>>18227071
That pathetic attempt to defend sci-fi/fantasy literature made you even more miserable than this >>18227068 guy. Ignore these incels please. Thinking about going back to /sffg/

>>18227115
there's 0 attempt in your post, I accept your surrender

I’m the King o the Norf, lads. I’ll defend the Norf from Pajeetlings and the lot.

>>18227124
Yes, cause you gave so many arguments.
>I accept your surrender
Take your meds

>>18227142
The eye-tie has no rebuke except to attack me for my superpower.

>>18223907
Said critic is a hack

>>18225788
And yet you are here posting on 4c. On /lit/, even.

i like revenge stuff
read chrysalis hfy and i like until it went all gay
are there any good revenge stories

>>18226642
Please do. /wsffg/ is the best idea in six internet ages. /a/ fags will adjust.

>>18227351
Has there ever been a more beautiful Father-'adoptive vampire son' relationship?

>>18224229
Based if unironic post
Cringe if not

So much derailing in this thread by anime fags. Not nearly as many recommendations as previous threads.

>>18226557
Yeah he gets stuck in this interminable side plot off on his own that is basically just him treading water for like 2 whole books. Mat is a bright spot despite being shackled to Nynaeve and Elayne, though. Rand's chapters can be hit or miss, it really depends on which characters he's with.

Jesus christ you're all so embarassing. No wonder the rest of /lit/ bullied scifi/fantasy readers into containment threads. It's not difficult to ignore trannigger shitposters, reminder that replying to offtopic dramatic shitposters makes you part of the problem, just like this post makes me part of the problem as well.
Just talk about books ffs.

>>18228611
/lit/ didn't really bully anybody, sci-fi and fantasy discussion was common enough that people decided to just create a dedicated thread for it rather than having 2 or 3 threads created every week about different books. The threads have always existed primarily for the convenience of fans of these genres.

You also don't really know what's going on in these threads or what the root of the drama is so you should really just remain silent about it. Then again, your eagerness to opine on things you know nothing about is very common to /lit/ as a whole. /lit/ is also far more riddled with shitposters than /sffg/ is, or was, I should say. For the last 6 months the threads have been held hostage by shitposters, but alas /lit/ has basically no moderation.

>>18228560

>>18228611
cringe

>>18227524
based

>>18226847
cringe

>>18226802
based

>>18226793
based

>>18226787
based

>>18226775
based

>>18226771
based

>>18226757
cringe

>>18226642
based

>>18226628
cringe

>>18226164
cringe

>>18226114
based

>>18225977
based

>>18225951
cringe

>>18225890
cringe

>>18225884
based

>>18225391
cringe

>>18224774
based

>>18224688
cringe

>>18224015
based

>>18224001
based

>>18229153
based

>>18229048
Is this an endorsement?

>>18228733
*yawn* shut up nerd

>>18229048
it’s all of those things though anon. amd you forgot the heidegger and nietzsche.

>this fucking thread
Oh my. Oh my. The absolute state of Men— endlessly warring over meaningless trivialities. This is how they spend the brief candles of their fleeting lives... the futile seething of a lesser race.

>>18229533
based Nonman poster

>>18229474
It is genuine endorsement

>>18224220
It should trouble the animefags

>>18226903
/a/ and /co/ belong outside /lit/ anyways

>>18225788
With speculative fiction you can explore some situations that you couldnt do usually

New thread >>18229679
New thread >>18229679

>>18229669
>you can explore some situations that you couldnt do usually
Such as, for instance, a Meat-fueled cannibal orgy at the expense of your nuclear fallout-blasted brethren-in-arms beneath the shadow of the Golden Horns?