/lit/ - Literature

Gnostocs are all demon possessed

>>18179764
>church said its wrong
That's literally enough to know it's wrong

>>18179798
scared of the truth?

>>18179798
why?

>>18179764
Read The Case for Christ, your question has already been answered.

>>18179764
Do i have to explain to you why anti cosmic dualism is bad for society? Also they were written hundreds of years after the bible so they have no authority

>>18180012
>Also they were written hundreds of years after the bible so they have no authority
Gotta love that Christian epistemology

>>18180012
Anti-cosmic dualism is part of the process. Don't be a coward.

>>18179798
The Church said the same thing about writings of many of the Saints.

>>18179798
BASED! BASED! BASED!

>>18180358
cringe

>>18179764
Dating, for there are some apocrypha that could be part of the canon without any contradiction (and we have orthodox apocrypha which were not included to the canon for the same reason). I don’t need to mention reasons for rejecting the ones containing false teachings, do I?

>>18180337
Anti-(fallen)cosmic*.

>>18179764
false and homosexual

>>18180428
Nah. Pro-fall. Anything else is utopian make-believe

>>18180012

Gnosticism is the only Monist Philosophy there is.

>>18180443
Parousia is make believe?

>>18180496
>second coming
>matthew 16:28
Sure sounds like it

>>18179764
What is the basis for accepting this?

>>18180509
>what is Christ’s resurrection.
Can you at least read the chapter of the verse you quote?

>>18179764
theyre scared of the implications

>>18180532
it resonates with the soul

>>18180600
>the Son of Man coming in His Kingdom
Show me the kingdom

>>18180780
https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08646a.htm

>>18179764
Gnosticism is not a monolithic movement. The moment you think they could be right, you have to start picking and choosing who among them is right. Once you realize you have to be exclusivist like that, you'll realize why the mainstream Christians were also exclusivists and didn't accept the whole of it. It contradicts the received doctrines handed to the earliest churches. It came from secret organizations but they were so splintered and contradictory that they never formed a unified front. Of course, if you don't care for consistency, you won't care which Gnostic tradition is the right one. Chances are you're just a larper then who cares little for truth. Explains why you'd even look into this stuff in the first place. Nobody becomes a Gnostic unless they're a larper.

>>18181178
>gnosticism was never endorsed by imperial power therefore it's a larp
Retard, demiurge apologists always reveal their hand with this one.

>>18179764
There is no reason, every thinker worth their salt at any time or place in history has a gnostic temperament.

>>18180760
the globohomo slave soul, maybe

>>18181178
>Explains why you'd even look into this stuff in the first place
Imagine being this much of an imbecile that the answer isn't obvious to you.
1. Interesting worldview and metaphysics
2. Abrahamics manipulate everything to fit their canon because if they don't they lose brownie-points and risk damnation (tell me I'm wrong)
3. Why would the universal creator care for worship?

>>18179764


THE MAJORITY OF THOSE TEXTS WERE WRITTEN BY SETHIAN SECTARIANS; CHRISTIANITY SHOULD BE UNIVERSAL, NOT SECTARIAN.

>>18181218
>the globohomo slave soul, maybe
How would gnosticism, which denigrates the world and its creator, resonate with the "globohomo slave soul"?

The psyop against gnosticism was so effective they got niggas accusing it of the very things it hates the demiurge for.

>>18181231
>should
Cry about it mestizo

>>18181260


?

INGEST YOUR MEDICAMENTS.

>>18179798
this

>>18180012
>Also they were written hundreds of years after the bible so they have no authority
uh anon...

>Second Treatise of the Great Seth is an apocryphal Gnostic writing discovered in the Codex VII of the Nag Hammadi codices and dates to around the third century. The author is unknown, and the Seth referenced in the title appears nowhere in the text.
>The author appears to belong to a group of gnostics who maintain that Jesus Christ was not crucified on the cross. Instead the text says that Simon of Cyrene was mistaken for Jesus and crucified in his place. Jesus is described as standing by and "laughing at their ignorance."
>Those who believe Jesus to have died on the cross are said to believe in "a doctrine of a dead man." All those without gnosis - including those who had what would become orthodox beliefs, as well as the figures of Adam, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, Solomon, the prophets, and Moses - are all referred to as a "laughingstock."

>>18181221
>Interesting worldview and metaphysics
You're not supposed to shop for these things because they're "interesting" alone. That's the essence of larping.

>>18181385
To forsake the flesh and live for wisdom is the essence of gnosticism you retard, as it is for many other "religions"

>>18181399
And most religious people on 4chan are larpers, you prove nothing.

>>18181437
Yes, and? Prove that you aren't larping as a human and I'll concede whatever point you think you're making with your original post

>>18181377

Previously:

>>>/lit/thread/S17520126
>Yes, they saw me; they punished me. It was another, their father, who drank the gall and the vinegar; it was not I. They struck me with the reed; it was another, Simon, who bore the cross on his shoulder. I was another upon Whom they placed the crown of thorns. But I was rejoicing in the height over all the wealth of the archons and the offspring of their error, of their empty glory. And I was laughing at their ignorance. - The Second Treatise of the Great Seth

>Note what is hidden in plain sight: Jesus explicitly confirms that it was him AND that it was "their father" and Simon. Fundamentally this is an allegorical summary of Dialectical, or "Positive", Monism. It is naive to think of Monism as just mutual incontinence between the members of the Dyad. Dualism is relatively more Monadic. Rather, think of mutually-dignifying identities, per THE identity, as the principle of non-Duality. Should one project himself onto another in bad faith, the other should not likewise reflect IN bad faith but reflect THE bad faith. Another pair of mirrors perpendicular to the initial pair. In "death" one shows the other's evil not by merely reflecting it but by reflecting both one's Self and the other accusing him, whence his rejection of the initial accusation, per the principle, as well as his rejection of that particular instance of, and AS, mutual reflection, thus "dying", which the other rejects, per the principle, letting him "die". As the argument mirrors its object, one might say that such explanations being cloaked in Catholic ascription is itself Docetic.

Gnosticism is “we live in a simulation” R ddit tier idea with a fantasy twist. You don’t need the church to tell you that something is awfully retarded unless you’re too.

you can literally be any religion and claim to be gnostic, it's the fundamental fucking point of religious conflicts. I swear people are so fucking dumb

>established religion associated to empire begins to fail in it's explanation of recent catastrophic events
>new modality of belief, still fundamentally derivative manifest, usually asserting that the previous figure of worship is a kind of despot god
>new contemporary beliefs in philosophy, religion and technology coaslesce
>a new narrative explaining the circumstances of the new world has to be created for children to understand archaic texts
>infinite amounts of crossover in which people will use undermining of spiritual beliefs, amongst every other dedicated thought to assert that they've discovered the truth

This board has gone so full fucking circle thanks to fatlusfags that regular people's dialogue on religious history is now more advanced

>>18181512
mario NO

>>18181193
because
>It contradicts the received doctrines handed to the earliest churches. It came from secret organizations but they were so splintered and contradictory that they never formed a unified front

>>18181520
>splintered and contradictory that they never formed a unified front
sounds familiar!

>>18181237
read the gospel of thomas faggot

>>18179764
The more particularized texts should be depured where imperative, and integrated & synthesized within the universal doctrine, not rejected.

>>18181512
yes, you don't even have to be familiar with gnosticism to be a gnostic. sufism and kabbalah are gnostic responses to their parent religions.

>>18181527
you must have not heard of the catholic church

>>18181557
You must not have heard the term "schism"

>>18181549
>green pantheon had epicureanism
>norse pantheon had apocalypse worship
>gaelics had true paganism
>north africans had mithraics
>egyptians had ra worship
>amaterasu worship

People seem to god damn dumb to think maybe at one point due to flat-earth predominating scientific thought during these times, that the sun WAS NOT SEEN AS A CELESTIAL BODY OF GASSES BUT RATHER THAN EYE INTO HEAVEN

A couple of problems I have with Gnosticism and gnostics:
>relatively jack all in surviving literature; most of which was found as late as the 20th century
>we were able to find the texts to begin with, with a supposed evil deity lording over us that has once before flooded the entire world but couldn't find a way to destroy the writings of his most hated enemies.
>Gnostics say it solves the problem of evil; it doesn't since the Demiurge is literally just Satan but "above" us instead of "below".
>All modern Gnostics are LARPers

>>18181621


YOU ARE IGNORANT, AND HAVE OBVIOUSLY NEVER READ ANY CHRISTIAN GNOSTICAL TEXT.

>>18181561
No notable schism existed when Gnosticism was rejected, I fail to see what your argument is.

>>18181621
>couldn't find a way to destroy the writings of his most hated enemies.
what

>>18181621
>>All modern Gnostics are LARPers
Yes, but gnosticism is still interesting and it can lead to some fun fiction.

When will "Protestantized" idiots in this board stop conflating gnosticism with sectarianism, and with demonism, and implementing their credululity toward orthodoxy as a coping mechanism for ignorance? gnosticism is a noble (derived from root: "-gno"), heroical theological modality that is intrinsic to the Christian thinker, and inherently mediational in its operation; to claim that it is anything contrary to that is tantamount to ignoring what nobility, and Christianity, are.

>>18181683
this book is wild, great for anyone who wants to experience a literary acid trip. the not-so-subtle anti semitic undertones should sell it to somebody here

>>18181678
Eastern orthodoxy, various protestant sects?

>>18181695
Nobody is talking shit about gnosticism. People are just expressing how obviously christian-centric it is to profess Gnosticism as a forerunner in some new kind of existential belief, when the fundamental problem with human existence is that we are driven to innovate upon our ancestors work. Buddhism is quite literally the kind of Gnosticism you're describing, so everyone who accusers the SMTfags larping as Gnostics as justifiably cringe.

>>18181706
both came after?

>>18181695
What it is is utter retardation and a cope.

>It's another thread of Gnostic larpers who played too many anime games
>it's another thread of Gnostic larpers who don't understand that gnostic periods have materialised in all religions that adopt meditation
>it's another thread of Gnostic larpers who haven't read the kabbalah
>it's another thread of Gnostic larpers who don't understand that every god has at some point been given a demiurge-like title
>it's another thread of Gnostic larpers not even bothering to contemplate the etymology of something as simple as "Baal"
>it's another thread of Gnostic larpers trying to justify their catatonic schizophrenic state of indecision

>>18181674
>>18181695

Are you the same person? The fact that both accounts started out as exclusively Gnostic and are now posting a bizarre Gnostic-Catholic compatibilism is quite the coincidence.

>>18181674
Not him but you're not in a good position to judge, you're literally a Marcionist LARPing as a Spanish tradcath

Praise be to Monad!

>>18181818
>18181818
Nice

>>18181818
And so, it was foretold that Monad is the one true God.

Burn all Demiurge believers.

>>18181818
0o0

>>18181151
>theocratic kingdom
>the most atheist times of the history
>Adventists
I'm glad you like to suck fake prophet's cock

>>18181725
>Nobody is talking shit about gnosticism.
"..."

>People are just expressing how obviously christian-centric it is to profess Gnosticism as a forerunner in some new kind of existential belief...
Gnosticism is as "new" as Christianity.

...when the fundamental problem with human existence is that we are driven to innovate upon our ancestors work.

1. How is that a "problem"?

2. Innovation constitutes cleansing, just as renovation constitutes restructuring; Christianity is as comprehensive, and perpetually new, as the phoenician, supernovel substance of the noble soul, therefore, yes, everything becomes new(er) under the wings of Christianity.

>Buddhism is quite literally the kind of Gnosticism you're describing...
Buddhism is a mediocre pregnostic doctrine that has its end in the relnquishment of one's martial potential, and in the resignation of oneself in pro of basking in one's own internal spiritual abundance.

Mediocrity entails loss of freedom; knowledge wthout growth is stunted; this is why "Buddhists" will never be able to discern the reality of what is, and experience the serene flame of gnosticism, which is perfected in Christianity.

Better to know than to be ignorant; worse to be idle with knowledge than to excel with it.

>>18181231
>sectarians
You are retarded here's your (You). Gtfo.

>>18181818
holy based

>>18181489
Now you're really grasping at straws.

>>18181859
are you sure you know how to read?

>>18179764
Why would you expect anything rational from a cult of magic bread eaters who think the Devil put dinosaur bones in the ground to beguile you away from Jesus

>>18181775

Please respond.

>>18179764
Because the basis for accepting Gnostic texts is "dude just trust me, I have the secret knowledge."

>>18181963
You've literally made no point other than
>gnosticism is LARP because origins are diffuse and hidden
How does the one at all follow the other?

>>18182622
>"dude just trust me, I have the secret knowledge."
What religion doesn't do this lol

>>18182737
Well, Christianity.

I don't know about the gnostics, but what about ol Thomas and his Gospel?

>>18181512
mario if he real

>>18182772
>none come unto the father but through me
>just have faith dude
come on now

>>18182834
Jesus didn't write any of the gospels.

>>18182867
Okay? The basis for accepting the gospels is still the same

>>18182896
No it isn't. I don't understand how you could even claim that.

>>18182911
How are they not based on
>just trust me bro

>>18180012
Most gnostic branches arent gnostics, because they think the Demiurge and his gang is no match for the forces of Plemora. They choose a slower, less direct approach to fight him to not harm the particles of divine he trapped in the world

>>18181872
How does one get in contact with you?

>>18182929
>arent gnostics
*arent dualists

>>18179764
Most are 2nd-4th century fan fiction except thomas, which is useful in using as a secondary source to confirm statements of jesus (IF its actually based on a first century source).

>>18182925
If someone were to introduce a gospel on the basis of "just trust me bro" it would not be accepted or denied on that basis. It would be scrutinized by the rest of the church and judged worthy or not on the basis of its contents.

>>18180012
Parts of Thomas are older than every Gospel but Matthew. John and Paul's letters have Gnostic themes. A Gnostic was almost pope. Gnostic "bible studies" were very common in the early church until later purges.

That is, Gnosticism pre-dates the creation of the New Testament canon by a considerable length of time, so your point has no merit.

>>18182975
I would not be surprised if they keep thomas somewhere in the church hierarchy for the elect, but that they elected against including it because it's so clearly esoteric and unavailable to masses. I heard the some african christians always kept is at canon tho

>>18183509
thomas has blatant bs in it it has zero cred

>>18180012
So you think that truth should be sacrificed for the smooth functioning of society?

>>18183560
what's the bs?

Retroactively refuted by Plotinus (who achieved nous, something no gnostic ever has done, pbuh)

>>18183582
the christian gnostic texts are all fucking satire
>His disciples said, "When will you appear to us, and when will we see you?"
>Jesus said, "When you strip without being ashamed, and you take your clothes and put them under your feet like little children and trample them, then you will see the son of the living one and you will not be afraid."

>>18183629
>Ohy God I'm REFOOOOOOOOTING the Gnostics! :D

>>18183629
Plotonius grossly misrepresents the Gnosticism found in the Gnostics' own texts. He BTFO his own star man and no one knew it because all the Gnostics books at been burned or were lost.

It's on the same level as me saying that Plotonius' doctrine revolves around sucking dicks, which is clearly not what God wants, and claiming I have this blown him out. Pretty easy to fight people when you put all the words in thier mouths.

>>18183629
One of Plotinus' students went on to write 40 volumes of pure white-hot seethe trying to refute the gnostics. Keep crying, demiurgecuck

>>18180012
>Noooo not the anti cosmic dualism, think of the hecking SOCIETY!

>>18183688
this is not nonsense anon.

I SIDE WITH GNOSTICS AGAINST RETARDED PAGAN LARPERS (YES IAMBLICHUS AND PROCLUS WERE LARPERS). THIS FALLEN KOSMOS WILL DIE OUT SOON. THE FATHER IS THE KING. SPIRIT LIVES FOREVER AND GATHERS ITS OFFPSRING WITHIN IT IN UNITIVE PLURALITY. JUST COME HOME (TRUE) GNOSTICS (CRYPTO-ATHEIST FAUX GNOSTICS FUCK OFF YOU ARE AS BAD AS PAGANTARDS).

>>18183728
>>18183572
to be fair I don't think he was saying that, just that others really do believe anti-cosmicism is bad for profit.

>>18183746
Extremely based

>>18183746
>THIS FALLEN KOSMOS WILL DIE OUT SOON
any day now
aaaaaaany day

>>18183927
don't worry, how old are you? in a few years you'll die and it will be instantaneous.

can we all agree that life isnt perfect and it was all a metaphor inspired by psychedelics or meditation or epileptic episodes?

>>18183702
>>18183707
>>18183722
You've convinced me, or more accurately the monad revealed the truth to me. Unfortunately you're all hylics.

>>18181178
Since when does truth come from monolithic movement?
Also, what exactly happens in the Vatican basements? (i guess you are Catholic).

>>18181193
>>18181221
That one anon is right. There are gnostic sects closer to the truth than some others. See Epiphanes' work called On Righteousness, it is so dumb it literally sounds as if it was written by your average sjw vegan anti-capitalist brainwashed acquaintance. This does not mean that their anarchist inclinations were alien to spirituality, many gnostic sects were influenced by jewish apocalyptic groups, the Essenes were influential, for example.

>>18180461
What about neoplatonism?

snagged a copy of the robinson version since I heard that one is better

>>18179798
Incredibly based

>>18179798
Church said the writings of Eckhart and Saint Teresa were wrong. The Church is a political body, not a mouth piece for the divine.

>>18184777
Wrong. Eckhart's case was not fully judged. Eckhart needed only to provide explanations about a few things he preached to plebs which out of context were really weird. However, he died before. Never heard about Church's condemnation of Saint Teresa.

>>18179798
The willful ignorance of papists is boundless.

>>18184799
All inquiries like that were just higher ups in the church being butthurt and making work for themselves.
Saint Teresa's works weren't condemned, some passages were just changed.

>>18184834
Yeah that is also plausible. But we can't lie to ourselves that some passages from his public sermons were really weird and kinda dangerous.

>>18180012
>Bad for society=incorrect

>>18184857
I guess its a matter of interpretation and context.

>>18184870
yeah i think the same.

>>18183024
>Passing the buck of credibility forever.

>>18181237
Hating the body and the physical world is globohomo slave cope

>>18185144
You sure about that?

>>18183688
Sounds like a kind of reversal of the Fall?

so why seth?
over someone like enoch?

>>18179798
when will there be a Christ fag containment board

>>18185643
>containment board
there is already /lgbt/ but here you still are not staying there

>>18181377
Sounds based to me

Papists worship earthly power.
Protestants are a mixed bag, the American bladpbemies seem to be some medieval superstition, filled with demons, angels, speaking in tongues, apocalypse worship and a ruthless, sinful lust for wealth.

Do not take all this cuckery serious, modern Christians are all larping much harder than any gnostic can hope to achieve.

By their fruit shall you know them

>>18186444
>filled with demons, angels, speaking in tongues, apocalypse worship
not even half of the wild shit in the bible

bump

>>18184799
The Church can condemn the name and books of someone even centuries after his death, check Origen's case.

>>18181178
>Of course, if you don't care for consistency, you won't care which Gnostic tradition is the right one. Chances are you're just a larper then who cares little for truth.

Gnosticism is for a specific temperament, you nailed it. They are just like the new-age people, they refuse to recognize that because they think they're sophisticated for saying ARCHON.

>>18181674
Install 4chanx activate the filter and in the comment section add this
/^[^a-z0-9]+$/ # all caps posts

It will filter this guy.

>>18187936
But the judgement was not completed because Eckhart needed to explain a few things. Is there any formal condemnation of Eckhart as heretic?

>>18181621
>>we were able to find the texts to begin with, with a supposed evil deity lording over us that has once before flooded the entire world but couldn't find a way to destroy the writings of his most hated enemies.
>>Gnostics say it solves the problem of evil; it doesn't since the Demiurge is literally just Satan but "above" us instead of "below".
you’re not even understanding the whole point of the demiurge is a mythical character; if the whole point of gnosis is to gain secret divine knowledge and insight, then the antithesis of that goal is ignorance and falsehood, which is why the demiurge is called names such as Saklas, Samael (fool god, blind god)

>>18181766
>kabbalah
Thinking you are superior for having read Jewish fiction made for a quick profit in 1290's Spain?

>>18188018
Ah, but I don't consider Catholicism to be the Church, just talking about the period before the split.

>>18187962
>they just wanna look smart/cool/sophisticated
>look mom i posted it again
Why do Americans always resort to this "argument"? Why is everything virtue signaling and posturing to you loathsome creatures?

>>18188114
I'm not American and Gnostics are heretics.

>>18188122
You're American in spirit.

>the Gnostics are heretics
The Gnostics predate Nicaea by centuries

>>18184857
>kinda dangerous
For Rome.

>>18183499
>older than every gospel but Matthew
Isn't Mark the oldest?

>>18188130
and orthodoxy predates Nicea.
I invite you to read The Way to Nicaea by John Behr, good research, the author is into analytical philosophy and got his education at Oxford.

Or you can go straight to primary sources, find yourself a good translation of Against Heresies by Irenaeus, I think Behr also translated that, he's really passionate about pre-Nicene literature, translated some big authors like Origen and publishes studies on them, which are more like reviews of all the literature in the field.

>>18188150
any gnostic or christian scholar worth their salt will tell you early christianity was a wild west. gnostics, in any case, don't worship temporal power so they're not exactly persuaded by dogma.

>>18188149
That's what "scholars" say. They have more faith than believers sometimes and declare conclusions without fully conclusory evidence.

>>18185643
There used to be a Christian board on 8kun, not sure if it's still active though

>>18188170
You're unlikely to get any "fully conclusory" evidence for something like this. Is the evidence in favor of Matthew being the oldest stronger than the evidence in favor of Mark being the oldesr?

>>18183499
By your assertion of a general monolithic “Gnosticism” it is clear you know very little about it. There were jewish babylonian gnostics and other jewish apocalyptic groups from which some minor sects emerged, the mandeans, these indeed were before AD. As for christian gnostic sects they are all subsequent to the first christians and the composition of the gospels. Do you have any proof of what you say about the Gospel of Thomas (which could be seen as completely orthodox, and therefore the reason for the rejection of its inclusion into the canon is different and probably because of its spurious authorship and later dating)? That is, can you find any grounded assertion dating it to before 60 AD?

>>18188166
May I ask you why you think the church is interested in temporal power as an end instead of as a means?

>>18188212
https://scholarworks.gsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1005&context=rs_hontheses

Thomas contains more “bare” perhaps earlier sayings that are found in the other gospels, which means it may be contemporaneous or even earlier

>>18188393
I'm really sympathetic to the Gospel of Thomas but even the most liberal dating and hypotheses on its process of composition and final formation could likewise be applied to all the other canonical Gospels. I truly think this gospel was close to the source but not totally independent from the canonical ones. There are suggestions proposing the Gospel of Mark was composed between 35-45 AD, so these liberal datings are rather liberal.

Sneed

>>18184675
>many gnostic sects were influenced by jewish apocalyptic groups, the Essenes were influential, for example.
The essenes were literally communists. They were jews that had a polarity reversal of their judaism. As a jew who goes at the maximum alienated money, commodity life, can only revert it's alienation and become the opposite.

>>18188775
All are one in spirit. But I agree that thinking it can be actualized here now is delusion and immanentization of the eschaton.

>>18188353
>means
You can't collaborate with force to be saved from it. It's so obvious

>>18189038
you mean truth should not be made known to all? and those who are averse to it should not be healed from their sickness? how is anarchic confusion better than ordered whole?

>>18179764
>you shall know a tree by its fruits

gnosticism produces sodomites and antinatalists.

modern progressivist 'christian' are using classic gnostic interpretations of Genesis to justify Christ as a revolutionary figure in opposition to YHWH

>>18189074
Not confusion, freedom. Ordered wholes are founded on violence. They're only a means for the elect. It is you who are confused :^)

>>18189176
Gnostics relinquish production, and the burden of effectivity. you're not supposed to hear or see the true ones

>>18189191
nonsense

>>18189197
rationalist bugman

>>18189186
They are founded on violence only insofar as there is no reduction or awareness of the spirit/reason (violence leading to it nevertheless, at least a primitive consciousness). Christ made it clear.
Do you really think we can have freedom here? In bodies? Pretty weird for a “gnostic”.

>>18189276
To reject reason is to reject the spirit.

>>18189296
There are higher and lower reasons, stemsect

>>18189293
There's no evil without universality and that's why ordered wholes always infringe on their parts. The point is to cut off the putrid overgrown algorithms of the civilized mind. They are not who you are, they are protrusions, alien organisms that feed off your intentionality. Stop being such a simp.

>>18189326
There aren’t. The reality is that its movement can be fixated differently, either on the purely phenomenal or on the numinous. The former degenerates, the latter is its own entelechy.

Wholes are expressions of the perfect Measure that is Unity. In this way the parts themselves become wholly parts or more truly what they are, that is, elementa prima as monadic unities.

>>18189474
I don't know about you, but Wholes where I come from are slave engines. Only your body is permitted for your use

>>18189516
The State is not a mere representation and symbolique of Reason, it is Reason. The violence of its formation is reflected in the violence Reason imposes on the passions. Its movement from the phenomenal to the numinous. This is the hierarchical order, the Spirit as arche.

>>18189545
>it is Reason
Yes, because it hates life. Reason can only limit, negate, channel.

>>18189653
I know most e-gnosticists teems with sentimentalism, but this really low, even for a gnosticist.

>>18189884
Imagine thinking this and unironically capitalizing reason. You first-years are the worst kind of drone.

is there any church that recognizes Thomas? I heard the coptics or ethiopians do, but anything more attainable? I like Thomas a lot, I think it clarifies things in all its obscurity

>>18179764
Gnosticism is literally the most Jewish religion

>>18189912
You literally have no reason to reject the order and State the Spirit endows us with, you said nothing, but grounded empty beliefs loaded on psychological traumas. The different reason you mentioned is your sentimentalism?

>>18190002
tedious

>>18189917
bump

>>18189917
They don't. You can just look up their canon on Wikipedia. Thomas wasn't rediscovered until Nag Hammadi (aside from some fragments).
There's only one saying that really stands out to me.

77. Jesus said, "I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.
Split a piece of wood; I am there.
Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

>>18185643
We need one really bad. Not as bad as a youtuber board though.

>>18180012
>....is bad for society
Why do Christcucks think bad for society means it’s wrong?

>>18190587
>why these people think that a return to chaos, individualistic, savage minded people is bad?

>>18190599
I didn’t mean bad. I meant incorrect. It’s a none sequitur to say that it’s incorrect because it’s bad for society.

>>18190567
when John speaks of the logos, his meaning is not readily apparent from the text. where do christians find this concept developed? John is quite brief about it iirc. To me Thomas develops this kind of thing.

>>18190599
Why are you caricaturizing gnostics as anarcho-primitivists? Why do you people fill out captchas to talk shit about something you don't know anything about it?

>>18190688
I won't participate in this debate, since i only have a novice level in Gnosticism and theology. but this:
>Why do you people fill out captchas to talk shit about something you don't know anything about it?
Is the majority of 4channer. Talking about thing they don't know about, haven't read about.

>>18189176
>gnosticism produces sodomites and antinatalists.
you've literally never met a gnostic and the ones you've heard about are from the mouths of immensely enraged incel converts and actual pedo idiots

>>18190599
Look what the society you've managed for a thousand years (basically during the middle age), have become, Catholic. It's easy to blame the jews. But looking at your own sins is not your strong point, Vatican.
A society which exploited serf for a thousand years, which massacred druids. Which treated people as sheeps, with a totally lack of spirituality. Commodity worshippers.
t. former catholic.

>>18179764
what's the basis for accepting it

>>18190988
The existence of evil

>>18183746
>Iamblichus and Proclus were LARPers
What does that term even mean anymore?

>>18190688
read epiphanes' on righteousness. this political antinomianism is present in most of them if not all

>>18190632
pre-communal formation lacks axiological categories, good or bad, right or wrong, it is established with its formation and its destruction is obviously not good.

>>18190909
I blame not the jews but all non christians, (im not a catholic despite my sympathies, just as i have sympathies for some gnostic principles) and above all the impious ones.

>A society which exploited serf for a thousand years, which massacred druids.
what massacre of druids by christians?

>Which treated people as sheeps
i know you don't mean the way Our Lord meant and any christian means. we have bad people everywhere, but it is only in christianity that we were able to leave this anthropological ouroboros of sacrificial cycles.

It is wrong even from a non-Catholic standpoint. The works at best are pointless and at worst insanity inspiring.

>>18190908
the existence of libertine gnostics is not denied by a single authoritative scholar

>>18191378
>what massacre of druids by christians?
Didn't the Vatican cut the feet of druids?
https://www.celticdruidtemple.com/thetruestoryofstpatrick.html
Didn't the Catholic Church genocide the gnostic Cathars?
How about the spanish inquisition? How about the use by the English Capitalists of institutionalized christianism in order to tame the working class in the 1700s and 1800s?
>I blame not the jews but all non christians, (im not a catholic despite my sympathies, just as i have sympathies for some gnostic principles) and above all the impious ones.
If you are pious, but revel in commodity, money, class based society, it doesn't matter how pious you are. Being really pious, means being exemplary, in your faith in God, but also in your material life. Otherwise you are just an hypocrite.
> it is only in christianity that we were able to leave this anthropological ouroboros of sacrificial cycles.
I'm not sure about that if what i heard about what is happening in the Vatican basement is true.
https://odysee.com/@FreeD%C3%B4me:c/Les-archives_-Svali-ex-illuminati:1

>>18190909
>>18191378
just to complement: you are not a gnostic in the strict sense at all. you reject the spirit in favor of the same ouroboric mechanisms of expiatory victims. you more than anyone here are affirming the system, this social-political system, the worldly system of world religions and institutions, which was not unveiled until the revelation, the full immanence of the spirit.
the hatred you spout is a clear sign of its blinding you, you cannot see just like the mob cannot see what the victim is, the scapegoat mechanism is exactly the same.
it is ironic how you immediately supposed i blame a specific ethnic, religious, group for all the evil, this is your projection onto me of the projection of the mob onto the victim.
you, like most gnosticists, have absolutely no devotion to what is good, it is all the same thing you find in humanity, it is all a product of corruption and you nurture it and cannot see the extent of its destructive power.

>>18191547
These really pathetically high-flown critiques of the le perfidious gnostic are some of the cringiest material /lit/ puts out on the regular.

>>18191523
>Didn't the Vatican cut the feet of druids?
I don't have time now to read the article, either go to the point or don't bring it up.

>Didn't the Catholic Church genocide the gnostic Cathars?
Weren't the Cathars murderers? I mean in the case the Catholic Church is literally responsible for deaths.

>Spanish Inquisition
What have you even read from this really uncontroversial moment of history?

>English Capitalists
hahahahahahahahahahah the absolute state

>proceeds with an hour and a half long video about illuminatis in the church after coalescing capitalists with christians

>>18191585
See, you insist on the projection of the same divisive strategy you cherish onto me. you can't even understand what i wrote.

Why the fuck is the demiurge conceived of as a fucking flower-headed worm creature anyway?

>>18191711
You can't expect much sense out of people that are trying to discredit God.

>>18191523
On the Cathars, read Pierre Belperron's book, it was not a religious conflict.

>>18179798
Unfathomably based. REPENT AND SUBMIT.

>>18179764
It says Jesus wasn't crucified like the muslims.

>>18191547
>this social-political system, the worldly system of world religions and institutions
I'm libertarian marxist whose interested in hermetic philosophy bitch.
>coalescing capitalists with christians
Everybody is Captalist, in case you didn't noticed. Stop larping as being altruistic, spiritual, because you go to church sunday morning. How much have you in your bank account? Is it even compatible with true spirituality? You know the answer. Stop pretending. Perhaps i have some self loathing in me, but at least i am not an hypocrite. I do not PRETEND. That is indeed a quality i have.

>>18191979
>I'm libertarian marxist whose interested in hermetic philosophy bitch.
an impressionable teenager with a social media addiction, then, gotcha

>>18191979
''libertarian marxist, hermetic philosphy'', lmao.
oh this preachy behaviour common to all marxists, this is not only intellectually poor but purely hypocritical. who are you to speak of spirituality being so attached to materialism? i don't go to church, by the way.

>everybody is a capitalist
and seemingly you are both a capitalist and an anti capitalist

you don't even realize how you do exactly the same thing you claim to abhor you are out of place here. you are mundane.

>>18191979
>youre not altruistic nor spiritual because you go the church
imagine mustering this much of resentment

>>18191979
>marxist
Disruptive utopian political delusion grounded on ontological nullity

>libertarian
A joke, i laughed thank you!