/lit/ - Literature

How many more times you gonna ask?

>>18169557
this is my first time posting this i swear
is this a common thing posted? i dont browse /lit/ often

>>18169536
it made a dumb fat white piece of shit go off the deep end and murder a horrible celebrity.
not bad

>>18169536
he raped his sister, phoebe
>>18169808
what's this?

>>18169835
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_David_Chapman
it mentions the book 16 times throughout the wiki.
Motive: "...delusions related to Holden Caulfield in The Catcher in the Rye"

>>18169944
Oh shit didn't know that lol.
Lennon had it coming he was really annoying and a phony.

Also he was so retarded that he didn't even know he was God lmao.

>>18169536
I love it. Legitemately one of my favourite books

Holden is unironically "WAOW HE'S LITERALLY ME", /lit/ version

>>18169536
I did not like it. I really didn't.

>>18169536
I read it but I honestly don't remember a lot about it. Holden is on the verge of getting kicked out of his school, he has bad grades but is obviously smart, he gets in a fist fight with one of the guys at his boarding school, then he leaves his school and wanders around NYC, sees his old teacher who maybe tries to molest him, and he goes to a museum with his sister? And he calls everyone phonies for having jobs and ideas and shit.

Is that grossly missing it? I liked what I guess you would call the kind of teenage irreverence of the narrative voice. I think the general feeling of noticing other people's phoniness is a poignant portrayal of one aspect of being a teenager and beginning to grow into adulthood. People could do with being a little less phony on occasion I think.

I think Salinger is a good writer, I remember the feeling that I was impressed by the occasional turn of phrase although I felt he was confining himself to writing things that could conceivably be spoken by a teenager (albeit a quite intelligent and precocious one).

>>18169536
I think Salinger's prose is very good in that he'll very accurately be able to capture a certain mannerism or characteristic of someone or something in a seemingly very plain or simple way. There is certainly a spontaneous quality to it that other may be more poetic writers would not be able to capture

>>18169536
Not a fan honestly. I think the whole, "everyone but me is lame for trying and I'm cool for not caring" is overdone and cheap. Maybe there's some good subtext, but Holden was a cunt.

>>18169536
Imagine getting filtered by this book.

Despite that The Great Gatsby entered the public domain earlier this year, The Catcher In The Rye will not be entering the public domain until nearly 2080. Therefore I won't be reading this one and will have no thoughts on it unless I am being paid to.

I always confuse those books which is why I won't be reading The Catcher In The Rye unless I am being paid to read it despite that The Great Gatsby had already been released into the public domain January 1, 2021. I'm sure they sell a lot of copies to children who are being forced to read private domain books in institutions they are going into against their will, but I was lucky enough not to be one of those, and I will hold the luck in high esteem and continue to have not read the book until it is released into the public domain at last, or never, if I am dead before the book is released, which is more likely in my humble estimation.

>>18169536
He rapes his sister, Phoebe.

>>18169536
Chuckled at the getting beat up by the pimp part, other than that it was pretty boring.

>>18171872
>>18169835
>he raped his sister
What implies this?

>>18172533
"New Criticism"

>>18169536

>>18169536
So far it's the worst book I've ever read and 100% the worst "Great American Novel"

>>18172663
nah

>>18173910
You're supposed to be 14 and male when you read it. If you're these things then its a good read, and will encourage you to lie about stupid shit for fun.

I'm surprised how famous it is considering Holden's main draw of him calling people phonies isn't' impressive at all. Like congrats Holden, you figured out a basic fact of life, people are not 100% authentic literally ever. He's not even that good a judge of it as he writes that dudes essay who to be big prick about it. It's the mainstream outsider book for people who want to feel different and smart without using their brains at all. Useful only for the documentation that their are people like Holden that exist I guess.

I haven't read it since I was 14 but I'm surprised how famous it is considering Holden's main draw of him calling people phonies isn't' impressive at all. Like congrats Holden, you figured out a basic fact of life, people are not 100% authentic literally ever. He's not even that good a judge of it as he writes that dudes essay who turns out to be a big prick about it. It's the mainstream outsider book for people who want to feel different and smart without using their brains at all. Useful only for the documentation that there are people like Holden that exist I guess.

>>18172706
I never got this. Could you explain it or is it just a meme?

>>18172663
yeah I read it some months ago with this so called impression in mind and I absolutely missed it. Is this type of "reading" some wishful thinking regarding Salinger's reputation as a "male chauvinist prick" author? Can some of you here elaborate better on why he does rape her?

>>18172663

>source: trust me bro

Yeah, nah.

Salinger's best work is his short fiction.
>>18174968
You're so close to actually figuring out the book, and yet so very very far.

Good book. Funny to watch people get filtered by it

>>18169536
Creepy pedo jew wrote a book meant to undermine the early boomer youth and drive them to becoming self conscious, nihilistic faggots.

>>18170722
why not pirate it

>>18172663
what a disappointment this was for me. i reread the book, looking at it through this lense, and i just don't buy it at all. i tried to be lenient but it's just too much of a stretch

>>18175596
>jew
Okay. Now I believe the sister-rape theory.

>>18175661
I don't know about the rape part, it might be too subtle to know but the way he describes the sister is creepy for sure.

>>18175596
People like you have rendered this website borderline unusable.

>>18169582
lurk 5 years before posting

>>18169960
Lennon didn’t “have it coming”
It was supposed to get Castro killed but the CIA misplaced a semicolon

>>18175707
Oy vey.

Enjoyed it in HS, but not sure if I want it on my shelf

>>18169536
trash like all american writers prove me wrong

>>18174968
>>18170719
the book doesnt take the side of holden, nor the opposite side. its not "saying" those things. absolute 3 year old readings

>>18169536
I liked the book, and I remember it as being well-written, but I didn't understand any "themes" that were supposedly present in the book. I'm pretty sure it was a book about teenage angst, but idk.

>>18174968
>>18170719

It honestly baffles me that you still have people like these morons that have the same almost verbatim, brainlet take on this book, despite the shear amount of discourse, never mind that it isn’t particularly inaccessible in the first place.

>>18175707
>They hated him because he told the truth

>>18176677
Yeah, I know that. "But Holden is an immature cunt and doesn't know how the world works", his outlook on the world is obviously wrong, I just don't find it interesting.

It's definitely overated. Not much of a Salinger fan. Holden was a lazy, lying POS.

i'd fuck salinger so hard

holden had intrusive and or repressed feelings for his sister and brothers, allie especially. and this trend extends to salinger's writing of the glass family children as well. they were all groomed and sexually + romantically engaged with one another to some extent

I liked reading it as an edgy 8th grader

ironically the contrarian posters who simply dismiss this book seem like they have the most in common with Holden

>>18178954
They were raped by their dad and rape their sisters while being imprisoned in a mental hospital?

>>18175021
The original thread is here: >>/lit/thread/S4528424
In 2014.
Before we knew Salinger was actually a pedo.

>>18177715
ye i read books so that mature characters can sell me on their interesting outlook

Ok but where DO the ducks in Central Park go?

>>18181026
They go down
Under the ice.