/lit/ - Literature

>>18132025
Just watch the movie lol

yes anon, I already told you. why are you so stubborn

>>18132040
i never asked before but thank you

I’m pretty convinced that 100% of what comes out of mainstream education today is counterproductive so I say no.

>>18132025
Course name?

>>18132025
Never take advice from women, especially not about literature

>>18132025
yes
>>18132062
rubbish.

>>18132064
just go to the playlist sections stop being so lazy anon.

she did a good blood meridian one

>>18132064
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyVAU5iGe0k&list=PLE33BCD966FF96F23
>>18132074
the blood meridian part is how I found it

>>18132077
>richard wrights black boy

Who gives a fuck about this lol?

>>18132025
Hers is not. I watched her lectures on Wise Blood and while it has some interesting points, by and large it is pretty evidently hijacked by the lecturer's ideology. She presents the last scene in the novel as evidence of racism and police brutality being a serious concern in the South of the 60s in the eyes of Flannery O'Connor of all people. Fucking trash.

I haven't watched the Asian lady, who has lectures on The Sound and the Fury, for the same reason. I've read that book five times cover-to-cover and feel like a have a fairly decent understanding of the book in the context of Faulkner's life, but reading through that lecturer's organization gives me reason to believe that I'm probably just going to see the same thing.

I had no idea even the elite schools like Yale had degraded as far as they were written about in Lasch, Bloom, even Haidt/Lukianoff, but they have. Ultimately the current milieu in literary criticism allows you to read whatever you want into or out of a work, and that is on full display in those Yale lectures. Other lectures certainly are worth watching however, like the one on literary criticism, the Early Middle Ages, Ancient Greece, Power and Politics in Today's World (if you can stomach the milquetoast liberal capitalist status-quo-espousing lecturer), and more. Just stay away from the undergrad freshman English courses: you are very likely to gather a better understanding through reading and studying the book yourself than allowing your mind to be poisoned by the political zeitgeist in academia today through great works.

>>18132094
people that read outside of this poseur board

I enjoy listening to them when I work out occasionally. I’d say it’s worth a listen if you like the books.
>>18132077
Also found out about them through Blood Meridian. I don’t necessarily agree with her I prefer Harold Bloom’s reading but it’s still one of the better analyses of the novel available online.

>>18132025
I've watched almost all of them, just as background noise. Some interesting takes desu

I unironically have a huge crush on the professor

>>18132094
I don't know man that's why I'm asking
>>18132103
So in your opinion it's not just not worth watching them but actually detrimental to your thought?

>>18132077
Annoying American woman accent

Maybe if this chick was hotter...

>>18132126
she's not ugly, but she's no milf. Do you have an Oedipus complex?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kgGrgF3JhQ

>>18132025
She wrote some autistic essay on DFW, discard her opinions

>>18132025
>needing to read 20+ fiction books in three months

damn yale is hard

>>18132207
You know only like 15% if that actually read them though

>>18132077
>americans go into serious debt for this
why

>>18132136
I watched her lectures on Wise Blood, Blood Meridian, and The Human Stain. Comparing my reading with hers gave me the strong notion that her readings are comparatively infantile (as gay as that makes me sound). She picks out small moments to string up a shabby and self-serving thematical structure that seems to me to be actually completely lacking in a firm foundation. This is most evident in the Wise Blood lectures. Single events turn into motifs through mental gymnastics while denying (or really not even acknowledging) very basic and plain and conspicuous reoccurring themes and obviously important passages. Her approach is targeted, not in the least holistic (which you may not see if you haven't read the novels in question, making it all the more insidious), which leads to a myopic view of the works.

In my opinion take her with a mine of salt. You'll hear interesting takes on things but don't accept her reading without a close one of your own. You can and should discard a very large amount of what she says.

>>18132126
she's got a butterface

>>18132025
absolutely. Great stuff.
I also love the yale lecture series on the old and new testament.

>>18132274
I turned the lecture off after the professor compared the book of revelation to star wars

the absolute state of modern academia

>>18132025
I find her analysis of Lolita tendentiously biographical, and the Lot 49 one too simplistic, even for a relatively boilerplate novella. Not bad, just not brilliant.

>>18132260
I get the feeling she's deliberately makign herself uglier, and when she's not at school, she lets down her hair, puts on a dress, some makeup, and she turns into a 8/10

>>18132260
>those pokies
eeeerrgh

>>18132025
She's kinda cute. I'd watch her undress.

>>18132260
nah shes qt

>>18132281
True, Star Wars is much deeper and more consistent

>>18132331
>the absolute state of /lit/ - Literature

>>18132337
its bait you retard

>>18132034
Fpbp

>>18132025
Just read 'The Western Canon' by Harold Bloom and 'Great Books' by David Denby. You'll learn all that you need to know about the history, the value and the reading of Western literature. No other course, online or otherwise will be necessary.

>>18132065
Yet people are ok with the majority of teachers from K-12 being teachers

Why do these courses make you read so many damn books in such a short time? There's no way you will properly understand the book and have time to think about it in your own mind before you have to go onto the next one.

Why not just choose 1 book from that period? I would honestly rather read fucking black boy than do a crash course on 10 novels no matter their quality

>>18132180
Man I was going to tell you to shut up cause I liked her videos, but after getting the rundown on that essay you’re right, she’s kind of a fucking moron

>>18132993
Humanities is about discourse; you need to understand the conversation regarding books in general and how they’ve developed to be forming relevant opinions, or at least that’s the idea

>>18133035
>My small act of countercultural scholarly agency has been to refuse to continue reading or assigning the work of David Foster Wallace. The machine of his celebrity masks, I have argued, the limited benefits of spending the time required to read his work. Our time is better spent elsewhere. I make this assessment given the evidence I have so far accumulated — I have read and taught some of his stories and nonfiction, have read some critical essays on Wallace’s work, and have read D.T. Max’s biography of Wallace — and without feeling professionally obligated to spend a month reading Infinite Jest in order to be absolutely sure I’m right. If I did spend a month reading the book, I would be adding my professional investment to the load of others’ investments, which — if we track it back — are the result of a particular marketing campaign that appealed to a Jurassic vision of literary genius.

lmao

>>18133067
hahahahhaha has spent time reading and teaching him and read a biography but refuses to spend time reading his best work

cope

>>18133067
lmfaoooo

>>18133067
>The book’s marketers were smart. They knew their audience and what kind of dare would provoke them: Are you smart enough and strong enough — indeed, are you man enough — to read a genius’s thousand-page novel? Of course they said yes. Having committed the time, those initial readers had then to prove, in writing, that they had something equally smart to say about it. And those yeses were the first of many in the self-perpetuating machine of literary celebrity. Before “Wallace studies” could take a hold on my field, it seemed worth raising the question: Why should we turn the podium over to this author among so many others, to invite him to stand at the microphone of literary culture for a thousand pages and more if it’s not pretty clear to a moderately well-informed person that his work is worth our attention?

>I use here the metaphor for public attention that the Mexican poet and critic Gabriel Zaid uses in his delightful little book, So Many Books: Reading and Publishing in an Age of Abundance (2003). Zaid argues that excessively long books are a form of undemocratic dominance that impoverishes the public discourse by reducing the airtime shared among others. The idea rings true when one reads D.T. Max’s account of Wallace’s resistance to his editor’s suggestion that he streamline Infinite Jest: Wallace defended its length and its obscurities by indicating that he expected people to read it twice. If this was not a form of arrogance, I’m not sure what would be.

lmfaoooo

critics are an absolute subhuman species

>>18132025
I dont know the other courses
but the commie who teaches french history in that channel is pretty great; I abused his teachings for my highschool history "thesis"

the few Yale Lectures I watched were awful
>woman teaching Blood Meridian
>she goes on for 20 minutes about how she couldn't read it because it was too violent
>when she finally finishes talking about how violent the book is she talks about how racist and problematic it is

>man teaching the French Revolution
>talks about his vacations to France
>takes out a tiny guillotine and spends five trying to coax his students into guessing that it's a cigar clipper
>listens to a rock song in front of the class and translates it into English
>talks about how he only has one suit that he shares with his son and he only wears it to work once a year for a particular lecture
I'm certain that no one actually fucking watched this videos before uploading them because they are fucking cringe and an embarrassment to the school.

>>18133067
>smoke weed and play tennis your entire youth
>go to college and study philosophy and lit
>be so fucking smart your graduate summa cum laude
>your thesis gets turned into a fucking book
>still getting high all the time
>get some rest and shit out the great American novel
>be famous
>pseud academics seething
>just fucking dip lol

DFW is based

>>18132286
>a boilerplate novella

Lmao what the fuck. A boilerplate novella how? If you mean relative to Pinecone’s other stuff that’s retarded. Lot 49, beyond tonal similarities, functions differently as a narrative from everything else he’s written. If you mean boilerplate compared to other novellas in general that’s even more retarded. Explain yourself or you’re a faggot.

>>18132103
Agree except, I think Bloom ultimately was a large part in this and should be ignored as well.

>>18133136
top kek.
I watched most of Donald Kagan's "Introduction to Ancient Greek History", which are pretty good, and all of Shelly Kagan's "Death", which are okay.

>>18132025
I teach first and second year English at a midtier uni. When I was a student I watched her lectures on On the Road and TCoL49 and thought they were good. What she has to say is likely better than what your uneducated mind may stumble to articulate.

If you've read the text she's lecturing on and have a good understanding of it, it's worth listening to hear her take and then test it against your own understanding. Can you account for the difference? Why do you respond as you do? What has she said that you didn't get on your own?

>>18133092
I feel like she would have taken this tone with a lot of great authors had she been their contemporary. Pure seethe.

>>18132025
haven't listened to here but Hubert Dreyfus has amazing lectures on many great works of literature including Moby-Dick, the Gospel of John, the philosophy of Kierkegaard, and many other topics. Look him up and give him a listen.

>>18132077
me too, her blood meridian talk was good.

>>18132230
for a degree. what kind of revelations do you expect? not enough "gender dysphoria and injun identities in cormac mccarthy's blood meridian"?

>>18133035
Hey man continue to enjoy the videos. Personally I can't get over her reasoning behind hating DFW. Idk what wierd shit he did to women but it seems that's her main reason for disliking him.

>>18132993
Tbf they seem to mostly be 200-300 page novels. I’m guessing they only make you write about two or three of them at the end of the semester via random question exam paper

>>18133595
still the quantity of pages doesn't necessarily reflect a novel's density, look at blood meridian for example

if everyone's shitting on it, what are some worthwhile online (or piratable) lectures on literature?

>>18132260
Bruuuuuhhhh those nipples

>>18132174
this was 12 years ago. she looks like dog food now

>>18132025
The ones by Stanford are good, with Dr. Sapolsky. On Behavioral Phycology/Biology.
The only ones from Yale that I found good are the religious studies ones. On Christianity and Judaism.

>>18132025
Look for Bloom and Frye, also read books jfc.

>>18133851
dios mio...

>>18133310
There is more to life than blind worship. Take your meds, Christy.

>>18134191
>>18133851
SHALLOW

>>18134191
still would to be honest

>>18132835
I'd say K-8 is the limit, or even K-5 really

>>18134219
you will end up like her lol

>>18134423
Half naked?
Never saw the show

>>18134440

>>18134482
OH. Like the teacher. Well, everyone gets old. Eventually I will wrinkle up and look my (current) age, etc.

>>18133275
Allan bloom

>>18132103>>18133275

>>I had no idea even the elite schools like Yale had degraded as far as they
atheism love virtue signaling to fill up their life between 2 gangbangs

>>18132025
Gonna give you an honest response here -- stop consuming video. Read the originals, and then read the secondary stuff if you feel the need. Video isn't good for retention, and excises the benefits of being there in-person.

College lectures themselves aren't great in general if you're in a class with over ~20 people. The main benefit of going to university is contact with your professors, something that's not feasible over the internet in most cases.

You're better off just reading whatever papers or monographs this professor has written. She definitely had a lot more time to formulate her thoughts precisely in those than she did in whatever YouTube lecture series you're referring to.

Side note: you're probably better off just reading stuff on your own and thinking really hard about it anyway.

tfw university professor gf

>>18134219
Stop stealing that other little autist's avatar you disgusting tranny.

I've seen Introduction to Psychology and Power and Politics in today’s world what other lectures are worth watching in that yale channel?

Currently I'm watching this lectures and desu I find them way better than the Yale ones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8IWzlqTD08

>>18134930
I watch each lecture at least 2 times to avoid exactly what you said and "increase" my comprehension and retention I also sometimes take notes, pause the videos to do some "research" on topics I find interesting and also do exercise while listen to the class; while I find this quite entertaining and enjoyable sometimes I find myself lost and empty what would you suggest to take "advantage" of this knowledge?

I know I'm not making a lot of sense here, haven't sleep and it's 2:00 am...

God I just wonder what a miserable existence being a college professor must be. You spent your who life learning and studying a passion of yours and rather than just participating in it you teach it to people who view the subject you love as a mere annoyance. You have to deal with the white collar bullshit of the faculty and the whole situation of academic show offs

>>18135007
I think Dead poets society is a good media example of what you're describing.

Teaching is absolutely fucked and the pandemic has its knee on schools' neck

>>18135007
There are always passionate students who make things worthwhile, but yes administrative bullshit is genuinely hampering academic progress.
And what job doesn't have negative aspects about it lol

>>18132077
If I went to Yale to study literature and ended up in a giant lecture they put online for free I would be pissed.

>>18135007
If you get tenure you don't really have to do anything you don't want to.

>>18132077
Hungerford isn't a serious scholar, as this video makes clear. She seems to be an excellent administrator though.

>>18132025
I've liked their early medieval history course. Very interesting stuff and the professor isn't half bad in teaching.

>>18133067
>>18133092
Holy hell we are reaching levels of cope that shouldn't be possible.

>>18133353
Don't come here with your reason and sound logic, people in this thread just want to seethe.

>>18132103
The Early Middle Ages stuff is very interesting, I enjoyed it greatly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC8JcWVRFp8&list=PL77A337915A76F660

>>18133067
Why do these academics hate on DFW so much? Is it politics? I literally had a guy tell me he dislikes DFW because "It's a matter of not agreeing with his politics". I feel like all those people spend way too much time reading Wikipedia and opinions and finding their opinion through consensus than actually reading the damn book.

>>18132062
You'd be correct on that

>>18132103
The one harvard lecture I watched on behavior was just abhorrently ideological. And guess what I found when I looked at the teacher early life.

>>18133092
>Zaid argues that excessively long books are a form of undemocratic dominance that impoverishes the public discourse by reducing the airtime shared among others
>this is the type of bullshit being thaught at the most prestigious universities in the world

>>18132835
No they're not.

>>18132025
the image of the little fruitcake in the lower left tells you everything you need to know

>>18132103
>Ultimately the current milieu in literary criticism allows you to read whatever you want into or out of a work, and that is on full display in those Yale lectures.
This is very astute, and it was also my experience when I did my English degree at a top university in my country. In the terminology of biblical study this was called "eisegesis" or reading into the text, which was distinct from "exegesis" which was reading out of the text. For some reason it is considered uncontroversial to conjure wild interpretations of texts that have no basis in any sort of common reality that can be somehow confirmed independently by analytical methods or whittled down to what is actually true by an abundance of evidence and argument conducted in the context of hardline academic conventions. What actually occurs is essentially a sort of acceptable fake academic mysticism, where a disadvantaged subjectivity (whether it be based on gender, race, sexuality) is initiated into certain knowledge through unique forms of suffering. But that suffering and that knowledge is inaccessible to everyone else. Imagine what you could get away with, what decisions you could justify, if you could base any action on the thoughts and findings of such professional interpreters whose every weasel word and brain fart is bellowed from the pulpit as the sacred and vital cry of a wronged man seeking the restoration of justice.

>>18132025
Yes, they’re decent classes and discussions. Other modules they uploaded are better, like the Game Theory one.

disregard all posts above

i have yet to see a yale course that isn't pozzed by revisionist enlightenment worldview. even the one on early middle ages is

>>18135860
>What actually occurs is essentially a sort of acceptable fake academic mysticism, where a disadvantaged subjectivity (whether it be based on gender, race, sexuality) is initiated into certain knowledge through unique forms of suffering. But that suffering and that knowledge is inaccessible to everyone else. Imagine what you could get away with, what decisions you could justify, if you could base any action on the thoughts and findings of such professional interpreters whose every weasel word and brain fart is bellowed from the pulpit as the sacred and vital cry of a wronged man seeking the restoration of justice.
This is the strangest thing about liberals, so much of their ideology is trench in re-living trauma. I do not understand how you can think this is a good thing, since the human spirit is meant to overcome and to forgive trauma. There is also the strange white liberal sense of guilt that has enabled all of this incredible unending hunger to occur. I hope someday this madness will end, it is so many people who are like this, so many millions, completely lost and they do not know the better of it

>>18132103
>>18135098
>Other lectures certainly are worth watching however, like the one on literary criticism, the Early Middle Ages
lol. the professor is mocking the western religious worldview all the way while praising arabic conquest of iberia and the mythical andalusian kingdom while he recommends 'The Ornament of the World' (there's another book about this he'd never recommend it's 'The Myth of the Andalusian Paradise')

i thought corrupt education was characteristic of third world holes like the one i live in but after watching these yale courses what hope is there for higher education? absolutely none. it is all pozzed. even a medievalist sees medieval people with contempt.

>>18133595
Lolita is the toughest one

>>18132835
I think most people don't care enough about their child's instruction. One of my friend's "wife" is a 5th grade teacher and lol, she's a druggie that likes to fuck random people off dating apps. She's the one raising the next generation of kids. She once told me she laughed at a kid that told her she prays to God for comfort (bc lol God isn't real dummy). And before anyone asks why my friend doesn't divorce her, it's because he's in a tough spot mentally and it's hard to divorce someone you've been with for 10 years.

>>18133268

Luncheon himself called it a potboiler in slow learner

To anyone thinking her lecture on tCoL49 is any good, read this:
https://www.ottosell.de/pynchon/magiceye.htm

The Yale Milton course was really helpful for my first read of Paradise Lost. There are quite a few esoteric/biblical references that I would have missed which were well illustrated in the lectures.

https://oyc.yale.edu/english/engl-220

>>18132077
I went to Yale. Literally all the Shakespear classes got Pozzed to shit after Bloom died. All Race Gender etc now.

>>18132260
still would tho

>>18133310
>These actions warrant punishment, but we can just punish someone else instead. Phew!

>>18135983
I've watched a couple of these lectures, somehow expecting the next one to be better than the last and it seems you're right. Jesus fucking christ can modern education not do anything right?

>>18132077
What a shrill voice. Genuinely painful to listen to.

>>18133268
It's different because it's simpler lol. Lot 49 makes some NOVELS look boilerplate, yet itself pales compared to M&D

>>18135035
I was thinking about this yesterday when I recalled Keats’ “Chapman’s Homer” and started repeating “a wild surmise” out loud. Would it have been worthwhile to have gone into teaching, reading aloud your favourite poems and passages to a room of young and impressionable minds if only one in every couple of years would show a spark of interest while the others tried their damndest to ignore you? Was I the one kid they were expecting, when I would stay behind to talk to them or ask them for book recommendations and opinions?

>>18132107
maybe in your black boi infatued country