/lit/ - Literature

I quite enjoyed Schuon's writings, despite his weird pederasty and cult issues, but Nasr's writings always fell short for me. I've always wanted to read them more systematically so I can follow up on this hunch but I suspect he's a mediocre thinker. At least some of the books he endorses are very bad.

>>18080457
Every single Iranian pushed by the modern American establishment is a psyops who has connections to CIA. (((Sayyed))) Hossein Nasr is one of them. Jorjani is another too.

>>18080516
I've heard this before, is there evidence for it?

>>18080516
>>18080532
Someone told me Daniel Haqiqatjou was a psy-op and controlled by the CIA, his argument being that they wouldn't let an American muslim spout ultra-conservative ideas online, but it seemed very unlikely to me lol.

>>18080516
Was that you? Did you tell me Haqiqatjou was a CIA psy-op? He's Iranian.

>>18080532
There is more direct evidence of Sayyed Hossein Nasr has connections to CIA. I read it before, and you can try to find it on non-Google search engines. Jorjani wrote an essay about how a CIA agent confronted him about an "Indo-European world order", but he was backstabbed. He took the article down. I read it though. I think Jorjani is borderline, which is common with Iranians.
>>18080546
I find Haqiqatjou suspicious because of how much anti-Shia propaganda he spreads. He is a Sunni fundemental and fanatic probably backed by Gulf fundies.
Pisslam does not suit the national identity of Iran.

>>18080457
no retard, perennialism is the truth

>>18080474
Why do you like Schuon, anon? I agree with most of his statements, but his assumption that religion is necessarily plagiaristic and dilutive of true spirituality seems dismissive at best, and self-serving at worst

>>18080554
He's not Iranian. He looks like some kind of mutt or something. It's hard to say without actual genetic studies. Jorjani is a mutt too.
I don't like Islam. You can stick to Al-Ghazali filth as a low-IQ Arab. Most Iranians don't want to be a part of the failed "Islamic world" anymore. If you think Haqiqatjou is the next Al-Ghazali and Iran will become to Sunni retardation (even though Shia is retarded too ofc), then fuck off.

>>18080565
Most non-secular Sunni's dislike Shia's. Haqiqatjou is an ex-Shia, but he is against US interventions against Iran.

>>18080585
>become
go back to*

>>18080532
>is there evidence for it?

Nah, but the details of his exile from the Iranian homeland are interesting. His family was very close to Shah, as I recall. When the Iranian Revolution happened, Seyyed Hossein Nasr's stuff, including his prized library, were seized.

>>18080586
>Most non-secular Sunni's dislike Shia's
I don't care about the petty conflicts between different Muslim sects.
>Haqiqatjou is an ex-Shia
I find it suspicious he would choose Sunni out of all other options when leaving Shia.
>he is against US interventions against Iran.
That's what he says, but I doubt he is sincere. Even Jorjani claimed he was against US interventions until the last moment he gave an okay. I am 90% sure if America were on the precipice to invade Iran, David will do a 180 after he gets more Saudi or Gulf Arab funding.
None of these guys are real scholars like me. They are just social engineers no different than Juden Peterstein.

>>18080585
Nice LARP. What national identity? If Islam didn't have a presence in Iran, or if the Shah continued to have ruled, it would just have been another western modernist liberal country. The Shah was an ultimate cuck, installed by the US, giving free resources to the US and giving the most expensive parties in history just to make himself look good. Zoroastrianism, just like Christianity, would have failed to protect its traditions - and yes, Zoroastrianism requires women to wear a hijab too with some other traditional things. It also promotes sister-brother marriage for some reason.

>>18080612
>I find it suspicious he would choose Sunni out of all other options when leaving Shia.
There's literally only 2 options outside Shi'ism, being Sunnism, and Ibadism (which is an extremely small minority).

>>18080634
>The Shah was an ultimate cuck, installed by the US, giving free resources to the US and giving the most expensive parties in history just to make himself look good.
His father was better, true.
>Zoroastrianism, just like Christianity, would have failed to protect its traditions
Muslims got praying five times a day from Zoroastrians. You should show some respect to those you ripped off from.
Also, Zoroastrianism does not put emphasis on excessive forgiveness the way Christians do. I have read stories of a Christian couple forgiving black Africans who raped and dismembered their daughter. Such a thing never occur in Zoroastrianism. It is absolutely revolting to forgive those who engage in "mortal sins".
>It also promotes sister-brother marriage for some reason.
This was mainly promoted by Kartir Hangirpe to maintain purity of the mobads. It was not common before Sassanids, and even so, it is not a fundamental tenet of Zoroastrianism.
>There's literally only 2 options outside Shi'ism, being Sunnism, and Ibadism (which is an extremely small minority).
There are many options like Zoroastrianism, Mahayana Buddhism (which Iran had a history of interacting with), and Hinduism.

>>18080674
>Zoroastrianism
Do you know how many Iranians I see promoting, or converting, with Zoroastrianism? All these people tend to be liberals or secularists. These people respect Ataturk, Nasser and Macron. If you think these Zoroastrian converts are conservative, I've got bad news for you.
>There are many options like Zoroastrianism, Mahayana Buddhism, and Hinduism.
So the options you give is a dead religion, a pacifist philosophy and a pajeet religion. If you truely think these 3 are equally traditional, or a better solution against modernity, or make theologically more sense, then you're just LARPing. It seems that you only hate Islam in Iran, because it's the mainstream religion, and nowadays it's the cool thing to hate on Islam under Iranian liberal college students.

>>18080728
>All these people tend to be liberals or secularists.
Yes, most Iranians are retarded and don't bother reading or engaging in real scholarly research, so they become degenerate liberals or secularists. The most I agree with you is that secularism and liberalism are bad.
>is a dead religion
It's not dead because the Gathas survived. The Gathas are the only words to go back to Zoroaster. It also conforms to Achaemenid inscriptions. The Parsi and Zoroastrian minority of Yazd retained traditions dating to Sassanian empire.
>a pacifist philosophy
Mahayana is not pacifist. Bodhidharma, who most likely had some Persian (alongside Greek and more) admixture fyi, even said killing icchantikas is fine. Many Buddhists interpret that verse metaphorically. I do not because icchantikas is considered "great sin". An icchantika is one who denies "enlightenment is found solely through the mind and not via external means", and it is considered worthy of death to argue otherwise.
>a pajeet religion
Iranians and Indians sure more ancestry in common than Iranians do with Arabs. I do not hate Indians. I don't get all this hatred of Indians.
>If you truely think these 3 are equally traditional, or a better solution against modernity, or make theologically more sense, then you're just LARPing.
Have you read Mahayana sutras, Upanishads, and more? If not, then stfu because you are out of your league.
>you only hate Islam in Iran, because it's the mainstream religion
I hate Islam because I don't accept that Semites were in access to some kind of divine message. I think the Sogdians, Bactrians, Kushans, and Central Asians were much more in connection to the divine than Semites.
> nowadays it's the cool thing to hate on Islam under Iranian liberal college students.
I agree the ones who hate it for secular and liberal reasons are retarded. I have more problems with them than you in fact. I support theocratic models of governance, but I want a different religion from Islam.

>>18080634
>It also promotes sister-brother marriage for some reason.
You Muzzies have no place talking about that. Besides that practice was limited to the royalty.

>>18080728
>zoroastrianism is a dead religion
Bwahahahaha. The texts are there. Followers are spread around the world albeit in limited numbers. Why do you lie Sayyid?

>be the most intellectual muslim alive
that's not timothy winter op

>>18080674
The Virgin Iranian Discord User
>hates islam, because he thinks a certain ethnicity can't have be given a divine message
>thinks Tengriist shamanists Mongols were divine
>thinks Iran should accept oriental religions, which can only be understood by so called oriental people
>thinks these chink-pajeet ideologies are a better way to oppose modernity and liberalism
>only 100,000 Zoroastrianists in the world
>probably is a fan of Alan Watts
CRINGE

The Chad White Sharia Iranian Haqiqatjou
>peak traditionalist
>has one of the most trad wives, probably will marry more in the future
>knows that Islam is the biggest threat against modernity, tries to get the 1.8 billion muslims to oppose and destroy it
>muslims are the biggest conservative group in the western
>will actually go to heaven

One thing we can agree on. Iran shouldn't have been Shia. Instead it should have been Sunni. The conflicts just worsen anything. Shi'ism is basically esoteric gnostic Islam, but nonetheless, better than the non-Islamic options for sure.

>>18080811
>followers are spread around the world
>100,000 worshippers
>99% of them being in India and Iran
How is that not considered dead by any standard?
>>18080794
Islam forbids sister-brother marriages, but not cousin marriages.
>>18080851
Abdul Hakim Murad is better, but Nasr has a lot of knowledge and respected books. Abdul Hakim refers to Evola and Guenon in his lectures and books, so he probably is aware of all the traditionalists.

>>18080892
>>probably is a fan of Alan Watts
I hate Alan Watts. Red Pine (Bill Porter) is much better and scholarly.
>he thinks a certain ethnicity can't have be given a divine message
I don't think Arabs or Jews received divine messages. When I read your religious scriptures, it just feels very narcissistic.
>>thinks Tengriist shamanists Mongols were divine
Those are Turks...
>>thinks Iran should accept oriental religions, which can only be understood by so called oriental people
Bodhidharma had partial Iranic ancestry. Read about Kushan empire. Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Hindus, and Greek philosophers lived in coexistence and influenced one another. The development and spread of Mahayana Buddhism had an Iranic factor too. For example, Avatamsaka Sutra was written by Gandharans who had Iranic admixture or origin.
>>thinks these chink-pajeet ideologies are a better way to oppose modernity and liberalism
It is one viable means, and it is inaccurate to claim their origins are in Chinese or Indians wholly.
>>only 100,000 Zoroastrianists in the world
It's enough to start something big.

>>18080892
>Iran shouldn't have been Shia. Instead it should have been Sunni.
Iran became Sunni and Shia both for purely political reasons. They became Sunni to avoid excessive taxation and persecution. They became Shia to better mobilize against Ottoman forces.
Neither of which support Iranian national character.
>The conflicts just worsen anything.
Arabs haven't had a real nation in the last 500-800 years or more. You were the playthings of Turks. The reason the region is a mess is because Arabs do not know how to run a nation. Your countries are artificial and were carved up after Ottoman Empire collapsed.