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>>18075696
>“Eastern Orthodoxy has many challenges that it needs to face in the contemporary world including sexual diversity, the role of women in the church in a democratic and secular age,” said Brandon Gallaher, Ph.D of Exeter University, who will also be working on the project. “I see this project as part of a larger cooperation of Fordham and Exeter to study the place and role of the pre-modern Eastern Orthodox Church in the modern West.”

>According to Gallaher, Exeter specializes in both LGBTQ and Eastern Orthodox studies.

>The grant is part of the Bridging Voices project which will bring diverging voices from both America and the United Kingdom together at Fordham for a seminar in June 2019 titled “Contemporary Eastern Orthodox Identity and the Challenges of Pluralism and Sexual Diversity in a Secular Age.”

>>18075696
>“Eastern Orthodoxy has many challenges that it needs to face in the contemporary world including sexual diversity, the role of women in the church in a democratic and secular age,” said Brandon Gallaher, Ph.D of Exeter University, who will also be working on the project. “I see this project as part of a larger cooperation of Fordham and Exeter to study the place and role of the pre-modern Eastern Orthodox Church in the modern West.”

>According to Gallaher, Exeter specializes in both LGBTQ and Eastern Orthodox studies.

>Heers
lol

>>18075617
>>18075771
What exactly are their stance on LGBTQ? These green texts don't tell me whether the Orthodox Church is becoming pozzed or not.

>>18076398
oh no the pozzerino.................................. I can't LARP if my churcherino is pozzerino !!!

>>18076414
As someone who's seriously considering to convert to EO, it does matter.

>>18076431
I despise you with all my heart. I'm not even orthodox, but if your "motives" for converting is "how non-pozzed" an institution is instead of the truth behind it, you deserve the worse. We're in 2021, everything in the West is pozzed in some degree you want it or not. Thanks to based God this time of confusion and tribulation will eradicate all of you who treat the sacred as if it were your alt-right club.

>>18075617
hey! i go to fordham!
(it kinda fucking sucks bros)

>>18076464
You're the one who is hateful. You are conflating my search for a timeless and unchanging tradition to politics. You think my longing for a tradition of principles that does not capitulate to the zeitgeists is undignified instead of an earnest and noble search for truth. There is nothing wrong with gays and trannies being members of the church, but homosexual acts are still a sin. Even if Christ didn't explicitly say being a homosexual is wrong, they are still sins in the broadest sense of sodomy and giving into the passions. Yet, for some reason, progressive churches go with the grain and will perform theological gymnastics to validate homosexual behavior as a way to appeal to newer generations and keep those pews filled. As a bisexual myself, I admit that I have proclivities to give into my lusts, and in order to be saved when it comes to this issue is to resist these passions, pray, and to repent and ask for forgiveness when I falter. Anything short of this is intellectual and spiritual dishonesty. Ugliness must never be confused for beauty, and ugliness must always be despised.

>>18076587
There is nothing capitulating to the zeitgeist you moron. There is you with your LARP crying when some people show unorthodox opinions that are far from being the norm. You spit on the face of truth.

>>18076645
No, you are the one who spits in the face of it. You even said "We're in 2021, everything in the West is pozzed in some degree you want it or not." This betrays your passivity, pessimism, and nihilism. The search for truth and God among the rot are worthy pursuits in and of themselves. Yet, you believe neither.

>>18075617
Ironically, the Catholic Church STILL hasn't genuinely changed its position on LGBT stuff, even under Francis. He's been nicer and given them some smiles, but the actual doctrine remains the same. There have even been multiple statements by the CDF over the last two or three years confirming that the Church still can't sanction gay marriage and still doesn't think Gender Theory reflects reality.

And everyone who genuinely wants these things to change has either already left the Church or will probably be dead within a decade. The "spirit of Vatican 2" types are a failure. Francis is their high water mark and they haven't gotten any of the things they TRULY wanted. No women priests. No gay marriage. The Latin Mass experiencing a renaissance. None of the shit they want is going to happen and in a few years they'll be dead.

The Church was tested, but it held the line, and the younger generations will begin the rebirth and renewal.

>>18076687
Dude, you’re a fucking larper, why don’t you just admit it? You don’t give a shit about dedicating yourself genuinely to anything, you just want to have your biases confirmed.

That’s why no one likes you religious larpers, because you betray the mindless consumer culture you come from, filled with instant gratification that should be tailored solely to you, which tells me that absolutely nothing about you or your quest for belief is genuine. It’s just shopping in a mall, but applied to religious beliefs. You’re probably an American as well. Go back to your Wallmart and stay there

>>18076750
I would hold off on any statements like this until after the German Bishops' Synod arc plays out.

>>18076763
Francis has basically been not-so-subtly warning them that if they do all the things they're saying they're going to do, he'll have to excommunicate their hierarchy and declare them to be in schism. You can tell he really does not want to do this because he has been warning them about it for more than a year now. But he seems prepared to do it if he has to do it.

>>18076758
Sounds like you’re the LARPer here anon. It’s sad that you are so pozzed you can’t believe others may genuinely be looking for the truth.

>>18076777
Let's see what happens first. I think the most likely outcome is that the Vatican attempts to kick the can down the road and pretend that the problem doesn't exist until it metastasizes into a full-blown schism. All the Western countries are basically ready to go as far as schism goes (in line with the sort of "Christianity" espoused by the German Bishops' Synod of course).

>>18076805
The thing is, Rome always winds up doing the right thing, in the end. Sometimes it takes years. Sometimes it takes decades. Sometimes it even takes more than a century. But in the end Rome always comes to its senses and acts appropriately, even if that also means acting forcefully. Rome always manages to get it right, in the ultimate end. It reminds you that the Holy Spirit is with it, after all.

>>18076398
It’s not and will never be

Actually, what's REALLY funny is that the Catholic and Orthodox Churches are closer to reuniting than they've been at any time since the Great Schism. So the ecumenism is actually paying off.

Go look up the plans for the Third Council of Nicaea. It's scheduled to be held in 2025.

>>18076835
Yes, unless you’re an altar boy

>>18076898
I actually think the Church has been more active and responsive to the problems of pedophilia in its ranks than any other institution that has faced a similar problem. Admittedly, this is because of all the attention it has received. But you don't see other infamously pedophilic organizations and industries being forced to reckon with their problem, and responding by doing things about it, the way the Church is/has done.

Hell, there are still some institutions where the pedophilia continues to be flat-out denied.

>>18076789
But you’re not genuinely looking for the truth. You’re shopping for a belief system in the same way other people shop for sausages. None of this is about finding and holding onto a belief that gives genuine meaning to your life, whether it results in negative consequences for you or not. Instead, all of this is solely about utility and your own confirmation bias, and you pick whatever fits you, and even adapt your beliefs to fit your desires even more. It’s driven by the same consumerist impulses, characterized by the same mindless desire that customer is king and you should get everything you want. That’s why you don’t like Vatican II, because that’s an instance where a church didn’t give you everything you want, and your response to that is the same as your response to some company doing something about the environment or mildly admitting the existence of black people. You whine and bitch about them being too progressive and ‘pozzed’, like the fucking entitled, narcissistic and larping religious consumer you are. Again, go back to Wallmart, and stay there. I genuinely hope Wallmart starts its own communities, sealed off from the rest of the world, so that its customers never have to deal with anything they don’t like. The feeling is entirely mutual, and nobody likes you narcissistic fat fucks, or wants you around

>>18076898
Is pedophilia truly as big of a problem (or a bigger problem than in other professions where workers encounter children) as the media says, or could it be that the media just has an agenda to push?

>>18076908
>Hell, there are still some institutions where the pedophilia continues to be flat-out denied.
Yes, like the Catholic Church, who just engaged in cosmetics, and never addressed the deeper roots of the problem, such as its hopelessly outdated views of sexuality and celibacy, which will guarantee this will keep happened, again and again.

All the Church has probably learned is how to lie and cover up its scandals a little better, and I expect there to be another one of these scandals in the coming years

>>18076937
Is pedophilia and the mass cover up of it a problem? In an organization that claims to be the sole possessor of truth and morality? Is that supposed to be a serious question?

Lol cathocucks are complete delusional

>>18076933
>why are people upset that this institution is proudly spitting on its own confessed values and legacy? I know!
>ITZ MUH GABITALIZM

Oh my fucking god, you retards are always so thoroughly illiterate when it comes to history that you can't even perceive why people might find your stance untenable. Get your head out of your ass, read a fucking book for once.

>>18076937
It seems to have occurred a bit more often than normal in the 1970s. These days, the incidence of pedophilia among the priesthood is extremely low. A child is much more likely to be raped or abused by an uncle, or an aunt, or a schoolteacher, or a coach, than by a priest, at this point.

And even in the 60s/70s/80s, the incidence wasn't THAT high. What really made the abuse crisis the huge problem it became is that the pedo priests which did exist were not removed from active ministry, they were shuttled around between dioceses, which afforded the same pedo priest the opportunity to molest and rape kids in one part of the country, and then do it again in another part of the country. This is because the bishops in the 60s/70s/80s believed that it was possible to "cure" pedophiles, because this was what contemporary psychiatry said at the time. So you'd have a pedo priest who preyed on young boys, and he'd go to therapy and be "cured," and the bishops would put him back into ministry, and he'd be back to doing his old and terrible deeds yet again.

The priests themselves are not nearly as culpable for the scale of the crisis as the bishops. They bungled and mismanaged the entire thing from start to finish, and to this day they have refused to accept full responsibility for their role in it. The US hierarchy is a mess and it needs serious reform and cleansing. I can think of maybe ten or a dozen bishops and archbishops in this country that are truly good.

>>18076949
Confessed values which apparently don’t involve actually helping poor people, but just giving them a few crumbs through charity, in exchange for more mindless obedience. Strange how that doesn’t bother you, could it be because you don’t benefit from actually helping the poor?

>>18076951
Holy fuck, imagine making excuses for the literal rape of children, and still thinking that you’re the pinnacle of morality. That’s almost transcendental levels of delusion

>>18076964
Who's making excuses? I'm certainly not. I'm trying to explain the actual facts and legitimate circumstances of the abuse crisis, why it was as bad as it was. If this does not precisely line up with your anti-Catholicism, don't blame me. Facts can sometimes be inconvenient things. I acknowledge how bad the problem was, but why, precisely, it was as bad as it was is a thing that is sometimes not presented properly. The idea that more than 50%, or even more than 20%, of priests at the time were pedophiles is simply false.

>>18076956
Communism doesn’t work

>>18076986
Nobody cares about the numbers, and the fact that you care almost solely about trying to save the face of the Church itself and ‘anti-Catholic bias’, as opposed to the young lives that have been ruined, and probably ended from suicide, tells me everything I would ever need to know about you and your religion, namely that it’s a decrepit, degenerate cult, that deserves none of the dedication to it that it demands

>>18076997
You might be amazed by this, but theocratic monarchies and pure egalitarian communism aren’t the only two political options, well maybe to you, but that just shows your own brainrot

>>18077010
Socialism doesn’t work either

>>18077002
>trying to save the face of the Church itself

I am not interested in saving the FACE of the Church.

I am interested in saving the CHURCH. I am interested in saving the One, True Church of Jesus Christ, founded by God Himself upon the head of Saint Peter, the first Pope, possessed of the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, the Church of which it was rightly prophesied that it would "be My witnesses both in Jerusalem and in all Judea, and Samaria, and as far as the remotest part of the earth." The Church which has been around since the days when Christ Himself walked the earth, and which carries out the Great Commission, the command of Christ to "baptize all the nations."

I am interested in saving and purifying and lifting up that Church. This involves full admission of what has been done wrong, and punishment for those who deserve it. But it also does not involve giving an inch of ground on the Truth of the Church's teachings, regardless of those who try to hack away at them using the ruined lives of abused children as an excuse. You are not special. Older and mightier men than you have over the centuries used the Church's failures to attack its teachings, used its failures to live up to its Truths as proof that its Truths are false. They all failed in the end. History remembers the most infamous of them. But the Church survives, because Christ is with it and will purge it of error and sin, through the working of the saints.

It will be so yet again, in our own time.

>>18077072
>I am interested in saving and purifying and lifting up that Church. This involves full admission of what has been done wrong, and punishment for those who deserve it. But it also does not involve giving an inch of ground on the Truth of the Church's teachings, regardless of those who try to hack away at them using the ruined lives of abused children as an excuse.
You’re trying to get an organization that believes it’s never wrong to admit that it was wrong? The best of luck to you then

>>18077072
How will you prevent it from happening again in the future if you save the church? You know full well the problem lies with celibacy and the absence of a hereditary priestly caste.

>>18077106
I’d also like to remind you that it was your Church that ruined the lives of those kids, not me. Way to try to project your own sins outwards, really shows your own moral integrity

>>18077116
>You know full well the problem lies with celibacy and the absence of a hereditary priestly caste.

You are literally denying Christ Himself in the Gospels:

>And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?” He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?” He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so. And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

>The disciples said to him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.” But he said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”

Jesus Christ Himself says that the celibate life is superior to the married life, and that the married life exists for those who aren't holy enough to hack it as celibates. Will you disagree with what God Himself says?

>>18077133
>Jesus Christ Himself says that the celibate life is superior to the married life, and that the married life exists for those who aren't holy enough to hack it as celibates.
Then he was demonstrably wrong and a retard, see the child abuse that stems from it.

See how nothing will probably change, and why? Because change involves admitting you can be wrong about something in the first place, which your Church can never do

>>18077148
>Then he was demonstrably wrong and a retard, see the child abuse that stems from it.

He is God. You should acknowledge Him as such, for your own sake.

>>18077148
It was rare and barely an issue. Being married does not stop people from pederasty.

>>18077148
>Because change involves admitting you can be wrong about something in the first place, which your Church can never do
You can't change the word of God, it's something Muslims understand even better.

>>18077133
>Will you disagree with what God Himself says?
Yes, thew jewish god is not my god.
>You are literally denying Christ Himself in the Gospels:
I don't care, I'm not a christian. I care about hypocrisy and child abuse though.
Why don't you address my question: How will you prevent it from happening in the future?

>>18077292
So the word of god is to have his representatives stick their dicks up the asses of little boys? What kind of retarded god is that?

>>18076750
Big if true.

>>18077163
No, sorry, threats don’t change reality, and facts don’t care about your religious feelings. Too bad huh?

>>18077172
Tell that to the kids whose lives have been ruined

>>18077309
>So the word of god is to have his representatives stick their dicks up the asses of little boys? What kind of retarded god is that?
Nowhere does God say that, that's your projection, for some reason, maybe ask yourself why.

>>18077381
>No, sorry, threats don’t change reality
Right back at you. Threats don't change God who is reality.

>>18077401
Then how will the church right their wrongs in that regard? It's not projection, it's literally the logical consequence of the reasoning used here. You christfags keep dodging the questions. Why has this happened and how will you prevent it in the future?

>>18077410
I’m not threatening anyone. At best I can ask for evidence, which any religion claiming to be completely sure about the existence of their god has yet to provide. Usually they just flail angrily and come with threats, which proves my point they don’t have jackshit

>>18076941
>and never addressed the deeper roots of the problem, such as its hopelessly outdated views of sexuality and celibacy
Fuck off faggot. Modern views on sexuality are based on Freud and John Money whose theories were both wrong and put western society on the fast lane to degeneracy. Do us a favor and get AIDS you cocksucker.

>>18077427
>Modern views on sexuality are based on Freud and John Money whose theories were both wrong and put western society on the fast lane to degeneracy.
They’re not, this might amaze you, but /pol/ isn’t reality

>>18077423
>Hasn't read Plotinus
Dumb fedora tipper.

>>18077427
You're still deflecting. Either way the church has been susceptible to those theories as well apparently since priests like to diddle little kiddies (as if they didn't do that before Freud lmao), so you've just proven the church is outdated and no match for modernity. How will you cope?

>>18077432
>They’re not, this might amaze you, but /pol/ isn’t reality
This might amaze you but all modern sociology is absolute horseshit and you've been duped by a bunch of frauds who have a ridiculously erroneous view of human nature. Then again you're an atheist who hasn't done his philosophy reps so ignorance is your defining feature.

>>18077433
Plotinus wasn't a christian though, his argument is for A prime mover, not the jewish desert demon you call god

>>18077440
You're absolutely correct but you still haven't addressed why the catholic church systemically abuses little boys and how you will prevent it from happening in the future.

>>18077441
>Plotinus wasn't a christian though
Irrelevant. Atheism was disprove conclusively. You can pick your flavor of theist but to be an atheist in 2021 is just broadcasting your lack of understanding of basic metaphysical and epistemological issues.

>>18077446
Human inclination toward sin. Same reason the public school system has 50 times the rates of abuse as the Church.

>>18077456
But the church are supposed to be the representatives of god on this earth. That either means he condones it (promotes it), or the church has failed at its most important task. By that logic, nothing the church says about morality should be taken seriously and it's been proven a fraud and a scam.
You also still haven't addressed how you will prevent it from happening in the future.

>>18077447
I agree but the issue was with the christian church specifically.

>>18077436
>so you've just proven the church is outdated and no match for modernity
Thank God for that. I wouldn't want to match modernity and it's numerous issues such as mental health, lack of morals, common indecency

>>18077464
>But the church are supposed to be the representatives of god on this earth. That either means he condones it (promotes it)
It's very cute when atheists try out the talking points they got off some blog. Stick to attacking Ken Ham over the Ark unless you've read Augustine.

>>18077479
You can keep deflecting but you still haven't addressed why it has happened to this scale among the highest representatives of your faith specifically and how you will prevent it in the future. Or do you think it's okay that the shepherd abuse the weakest of their flock?
Also nice try but I'm not an atheist. Now address the issue. I can't believe what weasels you chr*stians are. Even worse scum than muslims.

>>18077495
>Also nice try but I'm not an atheist
Pagan plz, you're at an even lower status than an atheist

>>18077495
Augustine already answered this. Read City of God mongloid. It was written for people making the exact same arguments you are making now.

>>18077477
I meant that the church is dying and modernity (which is perhaps even worse) is gaining ground in place of it. Why is your church so weak it can't defeat modernity?

>>18077500
>>18077502
It's funny how you weasels keep deflecting and refusing to answer the question.
1. Why have your representatives specifically failed to uphold their standards of morality? If it happens to these degrees surely the vetting process is severely flawed, or it's intentional.
2. How will you prevent it from happening in the future?
Don't bother playing word games like jews and muslims do, just answer the questions.

>>18077505
>Why is your church so weak it can't defeat modernity?
It's an interesting question. The effect is evident that people have rejected God and instead consider themselves gods, being so preoccupied with themselves and what they want to such degree that they don't even want to consider the existence of God. The cause is unknown to me as I am not a scholar nor a theologist

>>18076758
Cope

>>18077505
What do you mean the church is dying?

>>18077525
I agree. Couldn't it stem from the same issue as the abuse of little kids, namely that the church is being occupied by servants of evil whose only goal is to spread depravity and destroy the church from within?

>>18077385
Ok I will. It’s the same argument for the public schools.

>>18077420
By defrocking those priests and bishops

>>18077531
Less and less people are becoming christian, churches are being demolished due to people not attending (or even worse, turned into mosques), more and more people are turning away from their christian faith, christianity no longer has any relevant moral authority in the west like it used to for centuries, the church has been infected by servants of evil and is being destroyed from within. Want me to go on?

>>18077541
That happens all the time but that's not preventing, that's doing something after the evil has already been perpetrated. How will you prevent it from happening in the first place?
>>18077539
No it's not, public schools aren't led by representatives of god who should uphold the highest morality. That's why it's so bad when it happens in church.

>>18077511
It’s already being worked on though

>>18077534
>Couldn't it stem from the same issue as the abuse of little kids, namely that the church is being occupied by servants of evil whose only goal is to spread depravity and destroy the church from within?
Nah, it's obviously this is weak casus belli. The fact is people have decided to wage war against God and they will use every excuse to attack him. So far it seems they are gaining ground and they might win, but they don't see that even if they win it's going to be a sour victory.

>>18077548
How? It's been known for decades and it hasn't gotten any better.

>>18077546
No, the issue was about shuffling priests around.

>>18076464
Are you really this confused, or is this bait?
>pozz is wrong, as can be discerned by natural reason (cf. St. Thomas)
>an institution which supports pozz supports what is wrong
>an institution which supports what is wrong cannot be a reliable authority on what is right
>an insitution which is not a reliable authority on what is right should not be submitted to
Simple as

>>18077552
>The fact is people have decided to wage war against God and they will use every excuse to attack him.
Yes but the issue is why? Why did they fail in centuries past, but are now succeeding? Surely the church must look at its own failings.
> they don't see that even if they win it's going to be a sour victory.
Oh I agree don't get me wrong. As much as I loathe christianity it's obviously preferable over modernity.

>>18077555
>it hasn't gotten any better.
Proof?

>>18077560
What do you mean? The issue is those people shouldn't have been priests in the first place.

>>18077542
The West is not the world

>>18077566
First provide proof it's being worked on as you said. If it had gotten better it wouldn't need to be worked on now would it?

>>18077574
Even outside of the west the church is growing ever smaller because of both modernity and islam, perhaps just at a slower pace.
Then again, do you really think christianity will be the same if it becomes centered around niggers instead of white people? Lmao

>>18077574
It might as well be as everything that happens in the West will spillover to the rest of the world in one way or another, and this won't change for at least until the end of century as their influenced weakness and others gain ground. This is obvious and I'm not even from the West

>>18077584
>Then again, do you really think christianity will be the same if it becomes centered around niggers instead of white people?
Yes. It’s centred around Israel anyway

>>18077575
You made a claim and I’m asking for proof

>>18077600
Fair enough.

>>18077609
You made a baseless claim first, retard. Provide your own proof first before demanding it from me. Are christians always this disingenuous or is it just you?

>>18077570
So they were all predisposed to pederasty for some reason and the church somehow knew about that and hired them?

>>18077625
Well it should raise a question why so many pedos get hired by the church huh. Why does priesthood attract so many pedos and why does god let them occupy that office in so high numbers?

>>18077615
Acknowledgement, defrocking, talking with the abused, publicly condemning what happened

>>18077631
Again, how will you prevent it from happening in the future? You keep giving me solutions for after the fact, but you're not addressing how you will prevent it. That means before the abuse even happens.

>>18077637
>Again, how will you prevent it from happening in the future?
>That means before the abuse even happens.
We're gonna Minority Report this shit.

>>18077632
It doesn’t attract “so many” pedos. The rate of priests who are pedophiles was/is similar to the rate for all male adults.

>>18077637
I guess they’d have to reject all pedophiles and homosexuals from priesthood.
But I would like proof that it is still happening at the same rate.

>>18077644
Proof?

>>18077641
Why don't you answer the question? How will
>Acknowledgement, defrocking, talking with the abused, publicly condemning what happened
prevent it from happening in the future?

>>18077588
The west didn’t spread Islam or communism
Well, communism was conceived in the west but it was institutionalised in the east and spread from there.

>>18077651
It's hard to do if the church is an expert at hiding the abuse. Unless victims stop turning up we'll just have to assume it's still going on.
>I guess they’d have to reject all pedophiles and homosexuals from priesthood.
How will you do that though?

>>18077657
>prevent it from happening in the future?
As I said we're gonna Minority Report this bitch. Gonna set up a precrime unit with mentats who can predict orime before it even happens and arrest that person.

>>18077678
I thought the church wasn't into science fiction? How about dissolving celibacy so sex starved degenerates won't feel the need to diddle little kiddies?

>>18077653
https://www.newsweek.com/priests-commit-no-more-abuse-other-males-70625

>>18077665
So why did you claim that it hasn’t gotten any better?

>>18077702
Because victims are still turning up.
How will you do what you said though?

>>18077685
That’s not why it’s happening and that doesn’t even make sense

>>18077695
>No formal comparative study has ever broken down child sexual abuse by denomination, and only the Catholic Church has released detailed data about its own.
Lmao come on guy if that's the best you've got, it's more than laughable.

>>18077715
How do we know that they are victims?

The church will ask them if they are perverts

>>18077685
>How about dissolving celibacy so sex starved degenerates won't feel the need to diddle little kiddies?
How about you sod off and stop form the church to your own wims and desires? You keep complaining about modernity and the Church dying when you're exactly the cause for that trying to change God's will

>>18077719
Why is it happening then?
And it does make sense, people have sexual urges and if they can't act on them in the open they will do so in secrecy. However adults know that celibate priests aren't supposed to do that so they prey on little children instead by psychological manipulation.

>>18077724
>Are you a pervert?
>No
>Well alright then, keep on diddling kiddies
This is why no one takes the church seriously anymore. You know you have no solution to the degeneracy that's infested it.

>>18077727
>However adults know that celibate priests aren't supposed to do that so they prey on little children instead by psychological manipulation.
You're obviously trying to work out your own trauma this way, but I'm not sure it's going to help, anon-san

>>18077721
I said compared to the adult population

>>18077725
Why are you so triggered? You haven't come up with a solution to stop degenerate priests from abusing kids. It's not my fault the church has failed its tasks and is being displaced by modernity, that's on the church itself.
>you're exactly the cause for that trying to change God's will
So it's god's will that priests keep abusing kids? Alright then, then maybe it's a good thing the church is dying anyway.

>>18077733
It’s not common like you imagine

>>18077746
>So it's god's will that priests keep abusing kids? Alright then, then maybe it's a good thing the church is dying anyway.
Yes

>>18077737
Nope, that's just your projection, I never went to church so I wasn't in a position to be abused by priests. Are you saying it's not logical what I said? Do you think priests don't have sexual urges?

>>18077752
>Are you saying it's not logical what I said? Do you think priests don't have sexual urges?
No you're projecting again. I'm asking what's your stake im all of this?

>>18077742
You're the one who posted the link, I'm just quoting it, don't blame me. You just don't like the fact priests love diddling kiddies.

>>18077727
Priests can have sex with women in secret. That doesn’t explain the pederasty.

>>18077757
>You just don't like the fact priests love diddling kiddies.
If you're so jealous then maybe you should become a priest as well ad do it pro bono

>>18077750
Yes it is, this is common knowledge. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.
>>18077751
Fair enough.

>>18077757
I don’t think you’re being genuine now
The article backs up what I claimed

>>18077756
I don't like hypocrisy and I don't like child abusers. Christians go on about morality yet keep failing spectacularly and their church is dying as a result. Do I need a stake in it besides that?
Now answer the question.

>>18077761
The “degeneracy” in the church isn’t common. I didn’t say it wasn’t common knowledge.

>>18077760
So you admit that becoming a priest is a good way of easily diddling kiddies? Alright then, I'll accept your concession.

>>18077768
>Do I need a stake in it besides that?
Yes, you need a personal stake, otherwise you can't expect anything from anyone to grant you your way

>>18077758
It does, since little kids are less likely to tell on them than their secret lovers are. Plus a lot of priests seem to be latent homosexuals.

>>18077774
Yes it is, otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. One of the reasons the church is dying is because of the rampant degeneracy in its ranks. The cover ups don't help either.

>>18077786
Prove that it’s common

>>18077780
No, that's retarded and it just proves christians have no sense of morality once again. Good going. You're possibly even worse than jews and muslims who at least admit lying is permissable to non-believers.

>>18077790
Every month there's a new scandal or so that comes out. What more proof do you need? If it weren't common that wouldn't happen.

Also none of the weaseling and deflecting chr*stians have tries to discuss how they will prevent the abuse from happening in the future. And they wonder why their church is dying.

>>18077800
That doesn’t mean it’s common among its ranks. And scandals could just mean an accusation.

>>18077804
That doesn’t make any sense. Why is Islam growing then?

>>18077807
>Why is Islam growing then?
Because it's the Truth

>>18077804
Give it up Shlomo

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>>18077133
What, exactly, is the point of trying to reason with people who hate you? You will never accomplish anything like this. Just ignore them.

>>18077820
I'm not the one worshipping the jewish god lmao

>>18077887
The point is that Jews seek to undermine the church

>>18077901
They accomplished that already when a jew (Saul of Tarsus) took over the narrative from Jesus himself. Christianity is nothing but judaism for the european masses, like islam is nothing but judaism for the sandnigger masses.

>>18075617
Orthobros... you told me becoming Orthodox was based

>>18076587
>You are conflating my search for a timeless and unchanging tradition

>>18077914
There were no 'jews' in the first century A.D., you pinhead.

>>18076398
"Exeter University" and "Fordham University" have precisely fuckall to do with the Orthodox Church.

>>18077914
>Christianity is nothing but judaism for the european masses
What do you mean?

>>18078357
Are you retarded? What was Jesus rebelling against then? What were Pharisees? Fuck's sake.
>>18078480
Christianity is an invention by jews (Saul of Tarsus the foremost) to destroy Rome / Europe by leading them away from the religions of their ancestors and having them worship the jewish god and jewish prophets instead. Don't you think it's funny how many Christians know more about jewish mythology than about their own?

>>18078501
>Don't you think it's funny how many Christians know more about jewish mythology than about their own?
>It's funny Christians know about Christian mythology
Wow

>>18078501
So then what is your comment of Islam about? It was not invented by Jews.

>>18078524
No, christian mythology is jewish mythology. See this is exactly my point. You have replaced your own mythology with jewish tales.
I guess my mistake was not putting European before christians. Hence
>Don't you think it's funny how many European Christians know more about jewish mythology than about their own?
>>18078528
Yes it was, or at least altered and used that way.

>>18078552
>I guess my mistake was not putting European before christians
The hell are you on about? Christianity has been part of Europe for about 2000 years, it's more European than anything else

>>18078552
>Yes it was, or at least altered and used that way
Judaism, Christianity and Islam may use the same language but it's a different framework that approaches things differently and are therefore incompatible

>>18078552
Muhammad was a Jew? The later prophets or heirs were Jews? What are you saying?

>>18078501
>What was Jesus rebelling against then? What were Pharisees?
Not 'jews', that's for certain.

Jews are a European sect that follows the Talmud. They didn't even exist until 500 A.D. or so.

>>18078569
For about 1500 years. Are you saying it's more European than the native European myths? That's bogus. Many European elements were incorporated into catholicism and orthodoxy, sure. But fact is christians still know more jewish (OT) mythology than actual purely European mythology.
>>18078575
No, they're all abrahamist monotheistic traditions. They all worship the same god. They all differ from every other tradition on this planet in the same way that they're universalist and exclusionist. They may hate eachother but that changes nothing.
>>18078598
There are indications that Muhammad was a crypto jew but I wouldn't go that far personally. No, the earlier prophets were jews. The later prophets just did the jews' work for them by making the Arabs and other peoples forget their own history and worship the jewish god instead.
>>18078624
That's some strong mind gymnastics my man, I'm impressed. I guess all the people in the OT weren't jews either huh?

>>18078663
So you’re literally claiming that Muhammad was a Jew who wanted to kill Arabic culture and religion by making an Arab centric religion which then went on to conquer North Africa, the Middle East and Southern Europe?

>>18078624
>Jews are a European sect that follows the Talmud. They didn't even exist until 500 A.D. or so.
Technically the "Jews" are a 20th century invention

>>18078663
>No, they're all abrahamist monotheistic traditions. They all worship the same god. They all differ from every other tradition on this planet in the same way that they're universalist and exclusionist. They may hate eachother but that changes nothing
You're painting a VERY broad brush here, anon

>>18078706
Yes? I'm not wrong though.
>>18078678
>So you’re literally claiming that Muhammad was a Jew
No, if you actually read my post you can see I say I don't think that was the case
>who wanted to kill Arabic culture and religion by making an Arab centric religion which then went on to conquer North Africa, the Middle East and Southern Europe?
Yes, all the while worshipping the jewish god.

>>18078737
>Yes? I'm not wrong though
Technically, no, I guess. But it's a tradition that is followed by about 4 billions of people what numberous sects, subsects, interpretations, with varying degrees of theology which boils down to various difference in practice. Are you an Asian perchance?

>>18078737
Except the Muslims have a different theology

>>18078778
Sure, some of it has gotten out of hand and started leading lives of their own. But the important fact is that all worship the same jewish god and that the jews use this to their advantage. If all of Africa started worshiping Zeus I'd be just as flabbergasted.
>Are you an Asian perchance?
No, European.

>>18078784
So do christians but they all still worship the jewish god and abandoned their own native traditions.

>>18078805
How can one omniscient God belong to an ethnicity?

>>18078805
Also why would Muhammad do what he did?

>>18076956
>Thinking that it's about charity towards the pooreninos not the salvation of your soul

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>muh dead like on a stick
Oh, I see. You're a pagan larper; probably a wiccan. How do you cope with the fact that you're practicing a dead religion with no preserved texts and are just making shit up along the way?

>If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah. and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge. - 9:6

>O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. And if ye fear poverty, soon will Allah enrich you, if He wills, out of His bounty, for Allah is All-knowing, All-wise. - 9:28

>It is He Who hath sent His Messenger with guidance and the Religion of Truth, to proclaim it over all religion, even though the Pagans may detest (it). - 9:3

>Do not marry polytheistic women until they believe; for a believing slave-woman is better than a free polytheist, even though she may look pleasant to you. And do not marry your women to polytheistic men until they believe, for a believing slave-man is better than a free polytheist, even though he may look pleasant to you

>A man who fornicates would only marry a woman who fornicates or a polytheist, and a woman who fornicates would only marry a man who fornicates or a polytheist. Such marriages are forbidden to the believers.