/lit/ - Literature

You don't need this feeling to go away because you don't have a girlfriend.

Marrying a virgin

I never understood why this shit is such a dealbreaker to some men. As long as she isnt fucking other dudes on the side, women who are sexually experienced are way better than virgins. I dated a virgin once and it was like she was emotionally retarded or something

>>18062670
Statistically speaking there is a correlation between the number of sexual partners a woman has prior to marriage and the likelihood of divorce. I've seen the infographics on this subject.

huh Women are hedonists and their enemy is boredom, effort, risk, danger.
Fortunately, men are desperate enough to feel relevant, dutiful, respected, valued so they are pushy enough to try to be noticed by women (because they fail to be relevant beyond women). and sooner or later, they cracks the bf-shield

Women know that chads and other robots are willing to help them, to have an easy life. The natural problem of women is that they get bored sooner or later with whoever choose to try to entertain them.
So women change their partners to avoid the rut and to create drama. men do not like to be changed, since they loved to be relevant for once in their life, they whine and hate women when women find other providers.
Of course, changing partners constantly becomes a bore too, so they want some fixed men in their life to give them emotional and material support, Rarely sex because women know that, no matter how good the lover is, it gets boring sooner or later.
When they are replaced, men become resentful towards women, since they lose the validation of their existence. They pretend that they can live without women and that they even are better than women, smarter, stronger (in forgetting that women do not need to be so, because men want to be so in place of women)

Knowing that they are not able to stop loving to be supported by men, Women love also to think that they need no man and that they live to help others >muh compassion. This is part of the tactic to enhance their pleasures: women think that they are good people in society, only to feel even more raw, more animal, more of a little minx, typically in private, when they are fucked properly by some beta ready to serve them sexually.

>>18062670
You are brainwashed already.

>>18062692
I don't think that anon cares much for marriage

>>18062670
a woman who lives for sex is useless.

also men say virgins are awful because they suck at training a virgin to sex

>>18062670
>I never understood why this shit is such a dealbreaker to some men.
Low (but probably accurate) self-esteem.
Not that you can't judge someone on their sexual history, however.

>>18062692
>I've seen the infographics on this subject.
You really shouldn't trust infographics you see on 4chan

>>18062524
I can't have this feeling because my gf's complete sexual history boils down to
>first handhold
Me
>first kiss
Me
>first blowjob
Me
>first time
Me

>>18062524
what did the original say?

>>18062730
nice bro

>>18062524
"How to rape stupid toxic narcissistic bitch anally" by Based Chad

>>18062726
They're sourced

>>18062726

>>18062757
>They're sourced
>sourced
>source
BRO I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE BRO I GOT A SOURCE FOR THAT BRO JUST CHECK MY SOURCE ITS SCIENTIFIC BRO

>>18062763
Seethe

>>18062670
The implication is that he will not live up to the previous ones and she will be thinking of them instead of him. That is why guys get worried over stuff like that.

>>18062757
>>18062761
Institute for family studies institute isnt exactly a neutral or scientific source. They are more or less evangelical propaganda, and a quick Google search will tell you how
>>18062763
>yeah bro, like why should I be expected to back up my claims with evidence? Why cant I just day shit and treat it as fact?

>>18062792
>evidence
#BLM #LGTB #METOO #BELIEVESCIENCE

I fuckin love sluts, can't help it. Of course if you're insecure incel she'd eat you up alive and left you suicidal, but knowing how to handle them they're so much fun.

>>18062792
Any counter evidence? He uses data from the CDC.

>>18062670
>he doesn't know about microchimerism

>>18062695
oh look, another incel word-salad about how men are paragons and women are whores who don't deserve them. How original...

>>18062670
>>18062698
It is a deal-breaker because men feel insecure when their woman has had more partners than them. Think about it, men are encouraged to be studs and slay pussy. Also, experience is the key ingredient for all-male sex symbols. Not looks, nor status nor youth can compare to the reputation as a seducer. Thus, when men hear that their partner has had 10 previous sexual partners and he struggled to get 7, her included, it just comes to him that he is not a seducer. Even worse, what if she encountered a seducer during her sexual escapades? Can he even compare to that abstract stud?

Personally, I slept with 30 women by the age of 22, now at 27, this number has gone up to 32. My previous girlfriend had slept with 10 guys before she met me. A lot of you anons will call her a slut or a whore, but I can assure you she was anything but. She never had a one-night stand, nor did she ever cheat. After we broke up, she started dating a guy who only slept with another girl before her. His insecurities started eating at him from the moment she told her her partner count, culminating in him wanting to throw down with me after I randomly encountered her at a bar and had a short polite conversation. They broke up shortly after that. Their relationship was perfect, and they could've been happy if he was less insecure.

Am I saying that you should save a ho? Not at all. If the girl you fall in love with happens to be a virgin, then it's perfect. Congrats. But most girls nowadays aren't, but that doesn't mean that they are sluts who will cheat on you and divorce you and still half your shit.

Hopeless romantic that I am, I believe that there are plenty of hookers with a heart of gold out there who despite a dark past want a bright future with a man to whom they will be loyal until the end. I believe that human beings have the capacity to change, and I also believe that women exploring their sexuality is nothing wrong if they don't cheat on their partners.

>>18062891
Slut

>>18062807
People like this are so strange to me. It is like how after the Dryfus affair you had french nationalists unironically saying that logic, science and evidence were all jewish tricks invented to undermine france

>>18062891
lmao you're a fucking retard.

>>18062900
The difference is that Dreyfus, the kike bastard, actually WAS guilty of treason.

>>18062915
>>18062898

seethe harder, incel.

>>18062900
>saying that logic, science and evidence were all jewish tricks
well that's true most intellectuals are jews. All the positivism crap was from the jews

>>18062900
>invented to undermine france
again true, but the france pre-1789. the whole idea of the bourgeois was to get rid of the christian ruling class, by killing them

>>18062915
No, he's right

>>18062922
Get back to me how your philosophy has treated you at age 50. Trust me you'll be kicking yourself.

>>18062670
most men are average, statistically speaking if a woman fucks 50 men some of those men will have many traits that the current man does not. Men feel that their situation with any woman is extremely tenuous considering she can trade up to a new model at any time if she wants.

Men have to cope with a life situation that can be destroyed at any time at the whim of an employer, spouse, or woman. Furthermore they do not like to feel like a replaceable commodity but they are constantly confronted by situations where they are one.

Furthermore there's statistics that (probably for the reasons outlined above) women who have more partners are less likely to tolerate long term relationships which men generally like to have.

tl;dr many complex reasons.

>>18062922
You and your gf are sluts. It's a fact.

>>18062940
wanna link up on discord? I will bet you $200 accrued for interest that I will not be kicking myself.
And what exactly is your philosophy?

>>18062923
>most intellectuals are jews
Back then in France? Lavoisier and Coulomb weren't Jews and one of them was also beheaded.

>>18062961
>my philosophy
The only cement capable of maintaining a relationship with a woman is status/wealth.

This is not a new concept, some recently constructed newfangled incel cope; it is a persistent and over charaterisation of women that has been made time and again. From the Greeks, Romans, Mediaevals to the Enlightenment thinkers: all acknowledge the innate self seeking of woman.

If they could not manage it—why you?

>>18062951
It depends

>>18062950
>TL:DR men are insecure and they project their insecurities upon their relationship.
In my country, it is mostly women who are more often traded for a new model when they age. If you like a girl, sleep with her, enjoy each other's company and then flip out when you find out that she has had the same experience with more people than you, then that is just your own insecurities. If you are uncomfortable finding out, then don't ask. The only thing that should be relevant is why her relationships failed and if she cheated. But she will never be honest about those things, so you'll have to take the risk. That's life. Half of the marriages end up in divorce, it's a statistic. You can try to take all steps to minimize this, but the risk is always there.

>>18062670
Because its disgusting and the vagina gets stretch and becomes like roasted beef. When it is loose it is not only ugly but less enjoyable.

I envy our ancestors that had one perfect vagina when young when they married and only them get to fuck it.

>>18062670
I wouldn't mind a few previous partners, it's to be expected in this age unfortunately. However if they have more partners than the number of years they've been over 18 than that simply suggests they're incapable of having a long term relationship and will likely dump you as soon as the novelty wears off for another strange dick. It's also not complete alien as to the reason men would prefer not to have a woman who fucks around. If a woman only fucks you it ensures that any children are yours. It's 100% biologically driven.

>>18062891
based anon
we need more people like you to counter the incels

>>18063019
>If you are uncomfortable finding out, then don't ask
Yeah let's build entire lives on lies, what could go wrong.

>>18063059
Why do you even care about marriage?

>>18063079
Bro, you dont ask her bcos she will 100% loe to you. You just find out by looking at how she acts and who her friends are. Simple as.

>>18063079
You mean secrets, right?

>>18062670
>Why do my actions have to have consequences?!?!

>>18063090
*lie

>>18062670
ITS A DEAL BREAKER BECAUSE SHE'S A SLUT. AND A SLUT WILL FOREVER BE A SLUT

>>18062891
So much projection

>>18063085
if you don't, why would you care if men dump you for being a whore

>>18062997
>The only cement capable of maintaining a relationship with a woman is status/wealth.
I never denied this. Women marry up, but their cunts moisten for unabashed virility. She might be married to the rich senator, but that doesn't mean she will not fuck the hot pool boy.
The thing is that after a woman reaches a certain age, she becomes invisible to the male gaze. Sure you now have the concept of cougars and milfs, but they are just pornographic fetishes devoid of any real-world application. Women in the past were aware of that, also because divorce was a social and economical death sentence.
Today, with the whole 50 is the new 30 propaganda, women are deluded into thinking that they can start fresh at any age. At least in the anglo-sphere. If you look at Italians, Latinos and Irish communities, women are more aware of this fact.

Truth is, if you are 45 yo guy who looks decent and makes good money, you can easily end up getting married to someone younger than you. IF you are 45 yo woman, you will have to settle for an angry incel such as yourself or a divorced guy who couldn't afford an upgrade.

>>18063110
I'm a man. Please answer the question. I don't understand why you're getting defensive.

>>18063111
>looks decent makes good money
>can fuck young women
No shit you fucking faggot; most men don't have these things. Woman favour relative competence; men absolute—which is to say, women are concerned primarily with their mates position in the hierarchy; whereas men will go happily for a 9/10 even in a world where most woman were 10/10s. A man living on welfare could provide a women today with a better life than a king of old, who do you think SHE would rather be with?

>>18063085
>why do men care about the institution that allows children to be raised properly and gives them paternity certainty in exchange for protection
I mean granted, at this point it's a fucking joke, but come on.

>>18063163
Are you the anon I asked?

>>18063168
No.

tfw when married a woman who was a virgin before me

>>18063174
Then shush

>>18063183
No.

>>18062891
>Hopeless romantic that I am, I believe that there are plenty of hookers with a heart of gold

Xanga vibes.

>>18062891
This is the primitive mentality which triggered sporadic reciprocal violence among people. You people are like literal animals without acknowledging what such beastial behaviours engender. No wonder why you people are dirty, full of diseases and producers of genetic aberrations through chimerism.

>>18062524
Just fuck prostitutes. It completely changes the power dynamics in your favour

>>18062730
>blowjob
you degenerate

>>18063145
>A man living on welfare could provide a woman today with a better life than a king of old.
This is actually retarded. Life is better now, yes, but the welfare recipient doesn't provide shit. If a woman settles for him, it's because she couldn't do better, she might cheat on him with a busboy who has a beat-up convertible.
Looking decent and making good money in your forties is not that hard to achieve. I am not saying you should be Brad Pitt and rich like Elon Musk. If you know a trade and know-how to invest your money, you can be relatively rich by the time you are 45. If you lift and take care of your skin, I can assure you will outclass your peers.

>>18063202
>Fucking a woman who is disgusted by you
Uhh, no thanks

I don't subscribe to incel ideology but I think I'm slowly coming to terms with the fact that I will probably die an unloved virgin. I'm too much of a sheltered coward to hire an escort, the farthest I've gone is going to a professional dominatrix.

>>18063214
A man on welfare can give a women fruit the year round, the greatest music humanity has ever made, and an infinite variety of other wonders of the modern age. A woman would run of to a third world country to live in a stone-age society provided that she was to marry the king. Woman favour absolute power over relative prosperity. It's never enough for a woman.

So much castration anxiety itt. You are all pathetic. Just date your mom, losers.

>>18063198
cope.

>>18062815
This

>>18063247
t. used roastie

>>18063214
>I can assure you will outclass your peers
I am an unapologetic women basher but even I have to admit that we also have a shelf life. Yes, if you take care of yourself and make good money then at 45 you will be a good catch...for a 35 yo. Even then, on the looks department this only applies to men who were decent looking to start with. All in all dont delude yourself that you ll be 45 getting 20 yo pussy, unless she has daddy issues.

>>18063246
I doubt that my wife would do that, she likes her hot showers and beauty products.

>A man on welfare can give a woman fruit the year-round, the greatest music humanity has ever made, and an infinite variety of other wonders of the modern age.
In your example, this man doesn't give shit. Even the food that he buys is provided by the government and corporations.

>>18063242
>too scared to go with a prozzie
>instead hires a dominatrix
Uhh, whats wrong with you buddy?

>>18062815
How could one be detached enough to handle a roastie? A-asking for a friend ofc lool

>>18063262
you won't get 20you, but over 25 if you work together it's relatively common in my country. A lot of 40+ guys in my firm have divorced their wives for their late twenties employees.

>>18063280
Eastern Europe? Who are the guys in their 20s dating?

>>18063268
I wonder if she's ever been given the opportunity? I think you'd be surprised; woman's fidelity hasn't exactly won itself wide renown throughout history.

And? Why should that matter? If women only cared about material things they would be pleased regardless. It is the fact that they are concerned primarily with status that shows why they wouldn't wish to accept a welfare recipient; they would prefer to be at the top of a short pole than at the bottom of a larger one.

>>18062670
By that logic... what does it matter if she's fucking other dudes?

>>18063295
>they would prefer to be at the top of a short pole
She can sit on my short pole, if you know what I am saying

>>18063276
Treat them like shit, don't fall for their mind games, keep options on the side (every single woman does this). You need a healthy ego to get there though.
Basically become a sociopath. It's not exactly a moral stance, but once you're experienced enough with women you'll know that they have the morals of a bitch in heat. Beat them in their own game or stay away completely, otherwise you're getting burnt. Simple as.

Could people that only think about short term be undermined by long term consequences? No it's others that are not as degenerate as me who are insecure.

t. slut itt

>>18063256
Naw, I'm not a scwary scwary woman, no need to be afraid

>>18062845
Only good answer itt
All others are just insecurity and psich bullshit cope

>>18063295
I doubt she's ever been given the opportunity to be a stone-age queen. Still, knowing her, I know she would turn it down. Maybe for Adam Levine, yes. I agree with you on that.

>And? Why should that matter? If women only cared about material things they would be pleased regardless.
It matters because it shows that you are just a passive agent in your life. You have no fire, no spark, you are just a boring consumer that depends on the government for his consumption.

You deal in absolutes like the autist that you are, but the truth is that life is shades of grey. A girl would be much impressed that you live in an apartment by yourself than by the fact that you live in a mansion with your parents. She would prefer you drive a mustang than a eco-friendly honda. If you don't loose her before age 35, most likely she is your for live. Women are just as scared of growing old alone like men.

>>18063293
Other girls in their 20s, plenty to go around. Also, most guys in their 40s are happily(or at leas, comfortably) married. Divorce is not that widespread.

>>18063308
What long-term consequences?

>in b4 squiggly graph

>>18063305
>You need a healthy ego to get there though
The funny thing is that I undestand and agree with everything you said but I cant achieve the healthy ego thing, which I think is what ties everything together. I have only experienced this when I have a bad breakup and stop caring. Its truly freeing, but i have a hard time to acheive it in my "normal" state.

>>18062692
>muh pretty pictures

This is lit douchebag

>>18063043
Vag doesn't stretch out like that tho

>>18063338
You're delusional. Woman bounce between wealth and excitement as much as they have the capacity to. This is how it has been and how it always shall be. If a woman is young enough and thinks she can, she will.

You've admitted to my point btw: your wife would leave you for another she considers better. The bonds, experiences you shared etc are all quite irrelevant, all that matters are means and options, and whether these exist.

Your wife could be replaced by a fleshlight with but a slight decrease in emotional resonance.

>>18063371
>statistically speaking

>>18063389
Stats can be manipulated dood we all know this

>>18062670
(You)

>>18063043
>there was no premarital or extramarital sex in old Europe
Bro you can't be serious

>>18062786
>The implication is that he will not live up to the previous ones and she will be thinking of them instead of him. That is why guys get worried over stuff like that.
Teracope.
Men don't want to date sluts, because sluts are bad people.

>>18063387
This. The only truth in this world is that cuckoldry is what drives evolution

>>18063399

>>18063404
>Women don't want to date incels, because incels are bad people.

>>18063410
Go back to 8ch*n faGGot

>>18063423
nein

>>18063425
You're pathetic lol.

>>18063393
I'm not sure how you can manipulate the correlation between multiple sex partners and divorce. I would like to see counter evidence.
Several outlets take the data seriously.

>>18062524
Just stay celibate and you will never have to endure all the meaningless suffering girls bring onto your life.
t. 32 years old wizard who has never even been on a Date before

>>18063019
it doesn't really matter the reason- statistically they are less likely to tolerate LTRs as I said. While the reason could be anything, you'd still be a fool to try to cultivate a LTR with someone who isn't likely to stay in it with you, assuming the resources required are about the same.

>>18063387
>Your wife could be replaced by a fleshlight with but a slight decrease in emotional resonance.

Typical incel mentality. Go sleep with a real woman and revisit your statement.

>all that matters are means and options, and whether these exist.
Yeah, she might somebody better, I might somebody better. That is the risk of living. Even if she dumps tomorrow for Adam Levine, I wouldn't be bitter about it. I had a lovely marriage, have a beautiful boy and I am now a bachelor free to slay pussy as I please.

>>18062702
precisely, and the same goes for men... sex, in the end, is just not very important in the grand scheme. To dwell on such things is a weakness.

>>18063434
That's because you're an idiot accustomed to handfeeding from /pol/

>>18063493
But I didn't mention /pol/. I looked this up on Jewgle and I even asked for counter evidence. There's none.

>>18063345
Let's leave a monogamous society where men and women are matched together at a young age to a society where half of men have nothing in their 20s and women have nothing in their 30s. It will surely be a stable foundation for a strong civilization.
When men are young and have nothing they have less value for women and when men are 30 and so the women, she starts to decay and he starts value more.
But the goal should not be to satisfy the fantasy of a man or a woman, it is to start and build a family to reinforce and build the society, the culture and the race.
What do you think will happen in a liberalized sexual market? Do you think men that have nothing will continue to be productive, will they care for a society, a culture or a civilization that left them behind ? Will the women that got used and are left broken, after their beauty faded, care for a society or a culture that are resentful toward?

Fortunately I do not condone the sluts both in men or women, for it is our culture that should have not turned hypergamous. Was it encouraged by hedonism, nihilism and short term reward?

>>18063430

Really need a slutty BPD E-girl goth gf right now bros.

>>18063403
It was not encouraged and it was strongly frowned upon. Don't get me wrong whores and stupid plebs always existed but now it is their culture that is put forward.

Considering how many cultures/traditions value virginity I fail to see why you can act like it isn't that big of a deal and wasn't historically, it obviously was.

>>18063522
>Do you think men that have nothing will continue to be productive, will they care for a society, a culture or a civilization that left them behind ?
Obviously not and I really don't care. Your type always think, "Fuck you I got mine," until it comes to the fact that you can't get laid, and suddenly state-mandated gfs are a good idea

>>18062792
>They are more or less evangelical propaganda
Where did you get this dumb idea from?

>>18063535
if one exalts a woman, one is a slave to her

>>18063567
He only accepts research done by Marxists

>>18063535
Thats a man honey

>>18063463
You're pathetic. You fail to see how your very devaluing of any pleasures in you wife—barring carnal—renders her little more than a fuck-hole that's pushed out your (I'm glad to hear, truly) beautiful boy; do you wish him to view his mother in such a way? Is that how you view(ed) yours?

You fail to see the necessary distinction: either woman ARE capable of providing things other than carnal gratification (this is not my view), or they are not; in the former infidelity or a general lack of chastity are to be abhorred as a moral outrage, in the latter woman can only ever be construed as fleshlights.

Your worldview is warped and incapable of viewing the fundamental dichotomy that separates man from woman; until you amend this you shall have no end of frustrations and I shall predict your wife leaving you (and your beautiful boy).

>>18062751
Does that book really book exist?

>>18063577
I want to sexually FUCK a man honey.

>>18063592
I like your subtlety anon

>>18063588
Not him but women can become good mothers. Otherwise our species would have perished by now

>>18063588
>the fundamental dichotomy that separates man from woman
Which is?

the looser the bussy, the better the smash

>>18062891
you are not Myshkin

>>18063043
>I envy our ancestors that had one perfect vagina when young when they married and only them get to fuck it.
Ah to have the life of an uneducated burger truly must be a blessing

>>18062524
Saged and reported. These threads are always awful. Also, if you feel that way, then just dump her and start looking someplace where women similar to you congregate.

>>18063588
>do you wish him to view his mother in such a way?
Life will be very frustrating and brutal if you view women as humans. They only cause you meaningless suffering.
Your goal in life is to survive and procreate. In order to pass down your genes, you need a machine capable of breeding, namely a woman. Once you birth your kids, you raise them until independent and then you leave your wife because ultimately, she was nothing but a tool for you to fulfill your duty as a man.
All this romance, love, emotional bonding between men and women is a relatively new idea manufactured by Disney and Mass-Media. Traditionally, marriage was to get two people together, raise kids and then seperate. Never to emotionally bond or some shit because that only causes suffering, mostly on the behalf of men because women are soulless creatues without any empathy, almost comparable to a modern psychopath mass murderer. They will suck the blood and energy out of you, cheat, manipulate and destroy your persona because the female organism only brings chaos upon this world.

>>18062845
This

>>18063614
Innately differentiated biological impetuses.

>>18063648
I don't like women but your overselling it. No, romance has never been a Disney film, this does not mean that there was never any intimacy whatsoever. Consider the peasant couple, 60 years old each, their kids have moved on and no longer visit, their friends have ceased to have the energy to care—they are alone; this is a cause of a bond the highest of which there can be, an intuitive unfeeling understanding of one another. No theatrics, or hysterics, just pure, simple, unadorned understanding between 2 separate humans.

>>18062921
No? Lmao

>>18063687
>No theatrics, or hysterics, just pure, simple, unadorned understanding between 2 separate humans
The majority of couples over 60 are swingers or the men turn into cucks because the wife gets bored and wants to get railed by a some bigger cock nigger. You are delusional if you think that happy marriages exist.

>>18063551
Why do you want to put me in the other team, the team you deem miserable? Is it impossible to have the opinion I expressed without being in an active happy relationship with someone of the opposite sex? Why are you aggressive? Did I say anything that wronged you? Why is it always like this with this subject; the inability to discuss current trends that might bring consequences in the future.
My point is I do not feel that our current culture respects human's dignity when sacred things like forming relationship and having sexual intercourse is trivialized by market-like pressure. Other point similar product of our friendly neo-liberal overlord is the same market-ization of house. I feel it is sacred where one rest, lives and builds family. But it is an other subject but it is very similar to what we are discussing.

We are in the same boat right now anon. Why should we demeaned others that are less fortunate when it is out of their control and ours. As a society (West) we should go forward together and have dreams of building a strong civilization for the ultimate goal of colonizing and conquering space instead of accepting our decadent and rapidly collapsing state while other nations on Earth are looking at us and are waiting to stick it to us.
Let's get enchanted again!

>>18063766
YOU

are a nigger, nigger.

>>18062730
Treat her well, anon. You two have something special.

>>18063588
> your very devaluing of any pleasures in you wife—barring carnal—renders her little more than a fuck-hole

Yeah, I never did that. She is a human being which I respect. I just said that she might leave for Adam Levine if he ever hit on her.
You're an autist with a binary view of the world. I assure that if I end up alone, old and bitter it through the fault of my "philosophy". Women and men are different, I know that. I live with one. But I am a functional human being, and I can make it work. I have no relationship-related frustrations as I've taken the red pill at 20 yo. Please tell me how my wife will leave because I don't agree with your autistic view of the world.

>>18063726
wrong

>>18063766
What a cynical Jew post

>>18063535
The dude she fucks is a really average nerd

>>18063816
You really like this Adam guy, huh?

>>18063812
>Treat her well
That ship has sailed: he has already used her like a common whore

>>18063846
the only man who ever mogged me.

>>18063043
The vagina doesn't get stretched out. That's a myth. But you are correct that most people married a virgin and she was usually loyal prior to the modern era. Most women didn't even have a chance to cheat because they were at home but even if they had a chance, social norms usually kept them in place. Women are highly conformist and if you change the messaging, they will go along with it. Taking back control of the media is very important.

>>18063090
Men actually lie more often than women.

>>18063816
>please tell me how my wife will leave me
If Adam Levine (whoever the fuck he is) hits on her.You still don't see that you've already fully conceded my point. Women as a collective, are incapable of any kind of chaste loyalty. You are solely acceptable to her on the conditionality that no one better arrives; no one with nicer hair, a stronger jaw, a fatter wallet.

If this is adequate for you—I wish you all the luck in the world. You can treat of your marriage as any commercial exchange, money leaves your wallet, and your cock (on ever fewer occasions) goes into her cunt.

Which, of course, begs the question: why have you married a whore? And an ugly one at that? If you were solely interest in sex you—surely—could have done better then the amount of sex you've heretofore received by engaging continually the services of a brothel?

>>18063882
>implying woman aren't lying about their lying
Anon you really don't understand women do you?

>>18063128
Not him but I care about marriage because I think it's very romantic and want to have a family. It's the thing I want most out of life, to have a wife and a bunch of children. I don't have any interest in casual sex or sewing my wild oats or any of that stuff. I just want love.

>>18063870
Cuckoldry was always a common thing anon. Chad always wanted to get his and stacey always wanted to get her pussy blown out. There is a study that proves that 40% of men who ever lived never reproduced, i ll let you do the math. Things never change

>>18063882
>she can't be lying, she told me she wasn't lying!
Hahahahahahahahah dude, women aren't even "dishonorable," they just don't even have a sense of honor, they are shameless at an animal level.

Women process reality through a filter of "what would make me look like the best most desirable version of myself that I want to be right now?" They will give two completely contrary answers to the same question on one day and the next and feel no contradiction at all. They are animals.

>>18063896
OK but you don't understand. I'm wondering why that anon cares.

>>18063909
This. >muh tradwife idealists are just ignorant fools. Women have always been whores.

>>18063938
Shut up roastie. No one's falling for your shit.

>>18063893
This. Also women see lies differently. If she gets drunk and cheats on you it doesnt count because she was drunk. Hence she isn't lying.
When I asked my ex how many ppl she had been with she said 4.5... I rofl and asked her what the 0.5 standed for? She explained that it didn't fully count because the guy put his dick for 2 pumps inside her. So there you go, woman logic in all its' glory.

>>18063909
A lot men died prematurely or weren't in a position to reproduce. Also, what is the oldest year they include?

>>18063953
Gee, I wonder why there are no great woman philosophers. It's almost as if the only thing that matters is their emotional state and social status moment to moment, and they have no sense for higher truth whatsoever.

>>18063953
>she had been with she said 4.5
So 14 at least

>>18063909
>There is a study that proves that 40% of men who ever lived never reproduced

Consider this question: What percent of our ancestors were women?

It’s not a trick question, and it’s not 50%. True, about half the people who ever lived were women, but that’s not the question. We’re asking about all the people who ever lived who have a descendant living today. Or, put another way, yes, every baby has both a mother and a father, but some of those parents had multiple children.

Recent research using DNA analysis answered this question about two years ago. Today’s human population is descended from twice as many women as men.

I think this difference is the single most underappreciated fact about gender. To get that kind of difference, you had to have something like, throughout the entire history of the human race, maybe 80% of women but only 40% of men reproduced.

Right now our field is having a lively debate about how much behavior can be explained by evolutionary theory. But if evolution explains anything at all, it explains things related to reproduction, because reproduction is at the heart of natural selection. Basically, the traits that were most effective for reproduction would be at the center of evolutionary psychology. It would be shocking if these vastly different reproductive odds for men and women failed to produce some personality differences.

For women throughout history (and prehistory), the odds of reproducing have been pretty good. Later in this talk we will ponder things like, why was it so rare for a hundred women to get together and build a ship and sail off to explore unknown regions, whereas men have fairly regularly done such things? But taking chances like that would be stupid, from the perspective of a biological organism seeking to reproduce. They might drown or be killed by savages or catch a disease. For women, the optimal thing to do is go along with the crowd, be nice, play it safe. The odds are good that men will come along and offer sex and you’ll be able to have babies. All that matters is choosing the best offer. We’re descended from women who played it safe.

For men, the outlook was radically different. If you go along with the crowd and play it safe, the odds are you won’t have children. Most men who ever lived did not have descendants who are alive today. Their lines were dead ends. Hence it was necessary to take chances, try new things, be creative, explore other possibilities. Sailing off into the unknown may be risky, and you might drown or be killed or whatever, but then again if you stay home you won’t reproduce anyway. We’re most descended from the type of men who made the risky voyage and managed to come back rich. In that case he would finally get a good chance to pass on his genes. We’re descended from men who took chances (and were lucky).

>>18063970
Kek, you got the math wrong anon, it's 13.5 at least...

>>18063946
Yeah if you encourage them maybe

>>18063909
That's due to polygamy and men dying in battle before marrying. It's a development that took place before monogamy became the norm. Affairs have always happened but they were far less common before the last century.

>>18063946
There are plenty of good women out there and encouraging division between the sexes is hurting our race. I recognize that there are some major issues but viewing women in general as cumdumpsters isn't right. They should be mothers and wives, not whores. And most of them wouldn't be whores if it wasn't for the media and education system.

>>18063909
>There is a study that proves that 40% of men who ever lived never reproduced
Because of war mate. Not because it was full of incels on the contrary such lifestyle created manly men that were attracted to women and women who were attracted to men.

>having breakfast with my now ex girlfriend
>we’re talking
>she asks how many women I’ve been with
>say 4
>not even looking up from my food and book I ask her how many men she’s been with
>she responds “Uh 25 I think”
>literally spit up my coffee
>asking her how the fuck that is even possible for a woman in her late 20s
>relationship basically falls apart from that moment forward but we still last together for another excruciating 9 months

How are women able to just fuck, fuck and fuck without feeling disturbing? I feel gross as shit at 6 bodies.

>>18063996
I get you anon. When I was 16 I thought that women were pure. Only after some relationships did I learn the truth...

>>18063893
>>18063937
You guys sound like the lefties who refuse to believe crime statistics because they system is "racist" and lying or manipulating the data. What I showed you was the data we have to go off of. Do you have anything to back up your belief that we can't trust women's answers in anonymous surveys? Do you have other stats that I'm not aware of? If not, you're just basing your beliefs off of how you already feel about women, not actual data.

>>18062670
>As long as she isnt fucking other dudes on the side
Pretty much. If you want to be with someone who's attractive, good in bed, and with a sex drive like you're not going to be dating a virgin. Those attributes most want push people towards having a "sexual history".

I guess more than that maybe you also don't want someone to "settle down" too, like that's reasonable. Like if someone is like "I don't do buttstuff" but then also tells you about how she enjoyed it with a previous partner then that's a shitty relationship for sure. Ime that's the thing that really bothers most people that get a little obsessed with purity, that they did something with someone else but won't with them.

>>18063996
How did she justify it? I can't understand that mentality.

>>18064050
I bet they're all in on some secret cabal, right?

>>18064050
Anon I hope you're not like one of those crazed evangelists that believe everything the holly books tell them...oh wait

>>18064050
It is a survey about lying though. It seems a bit unreliable.

>>18064057
Thats the thing, she made the mistake of telling the truth. Now she learned her lesson and the next guy who gets in a relationship with her wont know anything

>>18064057
She said the math equaled out to only 1 partner every 3 months since she was 16 or something like that. She tried to make it seem reasonable.

>>18064063
You bet who are all in a secret cabal? I don't really understand what you're trying to say. I'm saying that the evidence shows women do not lie as much about their sexual history as these people are claiming and their denial of science is rooted in actual prejudice and makes them just as bad as the progressives who deny that black have lower IQs and commit more crimes. People only like science when it fits their narrative.

>>18063882
Tbqphwy I think that a lot of men deceive themselves too, they get a smooch and a few days later they're saying it's a bj, and maybe further down the line they totes slept together sort of thing. That won't necessarily come up as a lie, but I've known it happen irl enough that I know it's not an unusual thing.

>>18063996

>>18063996
>I feel gross as shit at 6 bodies
Why?

>>18064057
>>How did she justify it?
a woman has no critical thinking, no meta thinking, so she just cant justify anything

also she doesnt need to, since she will have lots of orbiters until well after her menopause.

>>18064050
>basing your stats of how you feel about women
Uh yes? It's not exactly a secret woman are whores anon-kun; you should read more, maybe you'll learn about how feminine 'chastity' has always been a bad joke.

>>18063996
>>18063909
all women are whores, even the shy ones

>>18064079
I guess if it doesn't fit your narrative you just plain fail to understand it. Dear oh dear.

>>18064079
Your shitty surveys are no science, fag

This thread is depressing

>>18064109
Especially the shy ones

Whenever your brain goes "aww man this one's different, she's a girl next door, she's really sweet she's not like all those thots!!" then alarms should start blaring that your cock is casting a spell on you, she is probably the biggest whore of all

>>18064120
Don't be depressed, be happy you can finally be free of them

>>18064078
The thing is that if that were true then it would seem a bit more reasonable... the truth is though that women go through "slut" phases where they might fuck 10 guys in a month.

>>18064079
It's probably accurate to some degree.

>>18064113
If we assume that everything you guys believe is true, what are we supposed to do? If women can't be fixed by changing social norms and media messaging and tradwives are just a myth reactionary young men made up to cope with their inability to find someone who meets their standards, what is to be done? Do we just accept it and marry a woman who has had 10 partners? Do we reject women entirely and live out our days as lonely celibates without children? Do we contribute to the problem? It just seems hopeless from your perspective.

>>18064120
>This thread is depressing
Welcome to reality, anon.

>>18064120
You should avoid these threads. They are filled with blackpilled actual incels who do not care about love or the future of the white race. They will not listen to reason and will die alone. If you want a wife, just try to be the best, most high status man that you can be. Make a lot of white babies (or if you aren't white, make some nonwhite babies in your own country I guess). Don't listen to these losers.

>>18064149
Women are liquid, they take the shape of their containers. We need to segregate them from men and impose harsh cultural restrictions on promiscuity and general frivolity. Women should know from puberty onward that if they choose to be a whore it will be the equivalent of a man choosing to be a degenerate criminal and leech on society, it is the worst thing they can do and no one will ever fully accept them again. Women are terrified of ostracism so most will obey if there is a strong culture of morality for them to follow.

You can even keep feminism this way. Once women are saved from themselves, the rare few women will be able to flourish again and see themselves as something other than sexual beings. Maybe once those start multiplying, women can become full humans. But we'll never know until the Age of Jezebel comes to an end.

I want to fuck women and cuddle with them afterwards but at the same time I want to curb stomp their little head. What gives?

>>18064178
So islam was the answer all along huh?

>>18062670
>As long as she is fucking other dudes on the side, women who are sexually experienced are way better than virgins
fixed that for you

>>18064137
My sister’s roommate had a bipolar breakdown and fucked three different guys off of tinder in one day. After the third guy she banged on my sister’s door and asked “Are you happy now? Look what you made me do!” And started slicing the dishes from the kitchen out of the apartment window

>>18064178
That sounds reasonable to me. That's similar to what I was saying earlier about changing what the media and education system tell women. Women are conformists. In a better society run by better men, you get better women.

>>18064187
Christianity

>>18064187
Why would incestuous child rapists be the answer?

>>18064194
I've known girls who had a tinder date come by and fuck them, were disappointed by the encounter, went back on tinder and had another guy come fuck them again by the end of the day

>>18064187
>>18064201
I don't think religion is going to make a comeback. An irreligion traditionalism is what is needed.

>>18064167
>just try to be the best
I usually support the idea of trying to improve yourself and move up in the hierarchies of life. The problem is that everyone has a certain limit to which he can work up. You cannot out/fit/ an ugly face or short height. You cannot compensate for a small dick. You cannot cure a skin-condition.
Not only this but also, acquiring wealth over only one generation is almost impossible because the economy is so fucked. Then again, most girls don't care about money anymore because they already make their own living and mostly have status above the average male (women are earning a lot more college degrees).

>>18062670
its just wrong simple as

>>18064213
That's what they thought in the Soviet Union

>>18062524
immediate incel rage thread. 10/10 bait.

>>18064218
It's possible to improve yourself even if you are never going to be perfect. I don't have any of the problems you mention so maybe I'm like "Chadsplaining" or something but a short guy who is rich and fit is going to have an advantage over the version of himself who isn't and will probably have an advantage of a lot of average height guys too.

>>18063305
Do people actually believe this? Jesus. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you treat women like shit, you'll only attract the shitty ones, but you'll always only see that as confirmation of your wild and sexist dogma, and a reality that is shaded in gray will for you always be black or white.

>>18064270
The whole of red-pill is midwit avoidant attachment types figuring out how to attach other avoidant attachment types and then wondering why they don't stick around.

>>18064235
I'm a fascist, not a Marxist-Leninist, but you're right that there were some Bolsheviks who encouraged social conservatism through their atheistic ideology. Produce children for socialism, reject alcohol to be a good worker, fight for the motherland, etc.

>>18064268
>a short guy who is rich
Good luck trying to become rich in 2021, most of it is luck. Best way is to create a business but 9 out of 10 companies fail within the first 10 years.

>>18064213
>irreligion traditionalism
Good luck convincing anyone to metaphorically neuter themselves when there are zero consequences.

>>18064292
Starting a business is probably the worst way to become rich.

>>18064247
Life is incel ragebait for a significant portion of young men

i hate women so much its unreal

>>18064283
No, I meant that they thought religion wouldn't come back. They destroyed or repurposed the majority of churches and monasteries. They taught atheism and materialism in schools. Religious officials were often fired if their faith was discovered.

>>18062524
The Quran. You should be grateful that we are saving Europe from its own decadence.

>>18064335
thats just sad

>>18064324
No. It's their attitude that makes everyone hate them - they've just looked in a mirror and stood on a podium announcing their discovery of grand truth.
They are unfuckable but not for the reasons they thank.T

>>18064298
>zero consequences.
I think he's implying that it would be enforced by the state.

A lot of you guys need to lift

>>18064316
>Starting a business is probably the worst way to become rich
Look at what people get rich from what. Most millionaires are business owners or inherited the money.

>>18064292
Best way is to invest, brainlet

>>18064343
>I think he's implying that it would be enforced by the state.
Oh so auth-right fascism disguised by word play. Sounds great :/

>>18062891
This anon is based and has BTFO all of /lit/. Seethe harder, virgins.

>>18064335
Not trying to be rude but I doubt most of you will still be in Europe in 50 years except maybe the Bosniaks and Albanians.

>>18064351
Yes, but most people who fail are also business owners. Start with a good job, renovate a property or two, put the money into rental units then split THAT between more entals, penny stock punts and businesses. Most people just lack the patience to make a solid base before diving in.

>>18064354
better than degeneration that is hurting the nation

>>18064341
Why? Ultimately both the man and woman are happier for the stability and prosperity accorded to each by god's law. It should not be understated that giving women undue rights leads to the dissolution of civilization, only a child looks at a working process and thinks 'that is sad' because all of the participants don't have the freedom to degrade themselves. The western world is full of these adult children I'm afraid.

>>18064342
>they've just looked in a mirror and stood on a podium announcing their discovery of grand truth

>>18064350
Hey by any chance do you know anything about crypto? Whats so great about chainlink? I dumped 5k in it because biz said it was cool and so far it has done well but I don't actually know why it's so good.

>>18064370
I'm guessing degeneracy is women not lining up to suck you off and do your housework. go outside, make friends and have sex.

>>18063535
you really don't

>>18064351
The amount of businesses that make more than $4M annually is like 5% of all businesses. It's a huge crapshoot.

Inherited money is, more often than not, wasted/spent a few generations from the inheriting of it.

>>18064375
>only a child looks at a working process and thinks 'that is sad' because all of the participants don't have the freedom to degrade themselves.
Arbeit Macht Frei

>>18064379
Because many 4chins invested in it years ago and they got wealthy. It will probably grow even more.
It's an innovative technology that is unique from Bitcoin. Read about it.

>>18063833
Can you post a picture of him? It might give some hope to the incels here, not that I condone chasing sluts. The hope might fuel some self-improvement that gets them a real relationship though.

>>18064362
Yes much how the cow thinks nothing of the butcher's block or the shrinking line before it. You have your optimism as you have been trained, much how you've been taught to fatten yourself you have been taught to be docile too. Only a fool thinks everything will end 'fine' or revert to how it was for their father's when all around them is in decay, doubly so when they never give thought to effecting any changes themselves.

>>18064396
>Inherited money is, more often than not, wasted/spent a few generations from the inheriting of it.
Multi-generational trust that give descendants a small fraction of less than half of the wealth annually while it's invested in a broad range seems to be the only way to stop your grandkids from fucking up your dynasty but still nobody does it.

>>18064375
because they dont like me

>>18064388
Look up the number of children growing without parents, declining birth rates, declining IQ, state enforced discrimination.

>>18064247
I do not consider myself an incel but I think society is starting to get to a point where there is a big underclass of sexually frustrated young men and it's becoming a problem that can't easily be riddled off as just undesirables discontent with their lot in life, as larger amounts of them are not having sex at the age of 20

Help bros
>GF has body count of 7
>keeps lying to me about her sexual past
>tells me she was raped in order to cover up one of the stories
>does whatever she can to keep me

She only lies about her sexual past to keep me, I'm not entirely worried she would cheat however as much as I love her, I don't trust her. I love this woman but lying about being raped to keep me and also asking her to tell me the truth about her past probably 100 times and then lies still coming out a year later are eating at me. Is there any hope for this? She is my first and only love so far

>>18064335
I've honestly thought of converting to Islam, basically Allah a'la Houellebecq' Submission, it's hard to imagine any other form of male dignity or hope in England currently.

>>18062940
>Trust me you'll be kicking yourself.
You're a teenage incel - why should we listen to your advice on love?

>>18064419
>state enforced discrimination
Not even going to ask about this obvious bait.
>Look up the number of children growing without parents, declining birth rates, declining IQ
And fascism will change this how, exactly?

>>18062670
Do women ever get self conscious that their partner fucked a girl that was more beautiful or better at sex than them? I would imagine they do.

>>18064446
>Not even going to ask about this obvious bait.
How am I wrong?

>>18062524
Get off the internet, stop engaging with the whore's of social media. There are regular women in the regular world, you just don't occupy it for whatever reason. Maybe look up selection bias on wikipedia before you unplug your computer.

>>18064420
If you can't get laid then get game or get a brass. £30 and you're gold. Whining on the internet won't help.

>>18064459
Not biting. Back to /pol/.

*In a nasally, asthmatic virgin voice*
>I've seen the infographics on this subject

>>18062692
>I've seen the infographics on this subject.
Best bait in the thread

>>18064471
>discriminating against men and europeans in public jobs
>discriminating against europeans in university
>teaching students that discrimination has to happen
It's not even just done by the state. It's also done in the private sector.

>>18064413
Or you just raise your kids to be financially responsible.

>>18064436
cuck mindset

>>18064493
>>18064485
Not an argument

>>18064497
Didn't read it. Never going to. Back to /po/

>>18062670
Cope

>>18064506
Neither are infographics. Formulate an argument in your own words midwit.

Goddamn Im glad I locked down my wife early and before Tinder.

>>18064341
this, I love my muslim brothers but mama taught me how to waterski and those memories don't fade

>>18064503
>NOOOO it's so KEKED not to adhere to be liberal values can you just imagine not courting whored out used goods and supporting them their illegitimate children? That's so KEKED!
lol ok dude
The only thing stopping me is I can't get past the requisite larping for pretending to be theist, but morally and culturally it's clearly the best option if you live in a city. There's a mosque not far from me and they have regular services and I see their sense of community every day. The church I 'belong' to (the one my parents would take me to once or twice a year for holidays) is perpetually half empty and has a gay priest now. I wish I was joking. I guess it makes sense in a feminized society even the men would want to be women.

I really don't know what to do.

>>18064508
So it must be irrefutable then. Literally too scared to see the truth.

>>18062815
They're fun to date for 5 minutes not to marry

>>18064540
Same, I love different cultures too (especially all the different food, yum) but suppressing women's rights? I'm not sticking around for that, I'll take that falafel to go if you know what I mean.

>>18064548
Return to the one true Church, anon

>>18064457
They do, but not usually as much as men

>>18064549
Didn't read this either. Not biting.Back to /pol/.

>>18064548
>I have never had sex
Thanks for being honest anon

>>18064457
Only if you make the mistake of letting them meet. I couldn't believe how that alone was enough to get my gf of 6 months to blow things up but here we are. A wise man once said 'bitches be trippin' and he was right.

>>18062524
This is why you don’t wife up a ho. If you’re just banging a chick for the sake of banging her then who cares if she’s fucked 100 dudes, just don’t get into an actual relationship with her.

>>18064578
You're literally a cuck harming your own race, faggot. You won't even discuss this because of how zogged your mind is. You will not engage with anything that you disagree with as if you're in a cult.

>>18062891
literal simp

>>18062670
>virgin women are useless at sex so virgin women are bad

completely missing the point you normalfag

>>18064602
Actually read this.
>>defend fascism anon
>cuck
>race
>faggot
>zogged
>cult
NPC noises. Argument dismissed.

>>18062891
Get a load of Captain Save-a-Ho over here.

>>18062891
>Hopeless romantic that I am, I believe that there are plenty of hookers with a heart of gold out there who despite a dark past want a bright future with a man to whom they will be loyal until the end. I believe that human beings have the capacity to change, and I also believe that women exploring their sexuality is nothing wrong if they don't cheat on their partners.
You're correct but everyone on this baord is dead inside.

>>18064614
I didn't promote fascism, the other anon did. I attacked discrimination.

>>18064643
>cuck
>race
>faggot
>zogged
>cult
>NPC noises. Argument dismissed.
Rest of post still valid. Back to /pol/ now.

>>18063588
KEK incel

>>18064657
No, it's not. Address what I said.

>>18063833
>>18064410
Here's a pic of them. Also, his fucking insta name is 420b0nglord....

>>18063888
>Women as a collective, are incapable of any kind of chaste loyalty. You are solely acceptable to her on the conditionality that no one better arrives; no one with nicer hair, a stronger jaw, a fatter wallet.
You have never been in a loving relationship and I feel deeply sorry for you anon. You will never learn to love other people with these walls up and you will never tear them down until you learn to love yourself. Seek a therapist - ideally one well versed in Lacan.

>>18064667
>No, it's not. Address what I said.
>You're literally a cuck harming your own race, faggot. You won't even discuss this because of how zogged your mind is. You will not engage with anything that you disagree with as if you're in a cult.
>NPC noises.
addressed now have sex.

>>18064670
nudes on erome, sugar fairy

>>18064351
I’ve met a lot of rich small business owners but they are mostly blue collar workers who wised up and bought their own equipment and started doing what they had previously been paid a wage to do. Like a guy I know that works every few days using his tractor to haul heavy equipment out of the kinds of swampy areas that work crews inevitably drive their shit into and can’t get out.
They’re not hustle culture memelords and they only made their investment after it was already obvious that the work needed to be done on a regular basis and the nearest person offering the same service was like three hours away from where they live.

>>18064697
NPC noises isn't an argument. Ironically you are just saying that to avoid discussion. You're a cultist.

>And fascism will change this how, exactly?
eugenics

>>18064515
How can you argue with data?

>>18064502
You can't raise your grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren. There's a reason inherited wealth rarely lasts and it's because people don't plan access to the wealth protectively.

>>18064724
meant for >>18064446 ; and I'm not a fascist, I'm just closer to it than most

>>18064721
you haven't provided an argument thus far btw
Saying "back to /pol/" is the most childish thing I've seen today

>>18064721
>You're literally a cuck harming your own race, faggot. You won't even discuss this because of how zogged your mind is. You will not engage with anything that you disagree with as if you're in a cult.
There is nothing of quality or point in this post nor a point to respond to that isn't a meme or dog whistle and I am assuming the same applies to the rest of your life. I hope you find a reprieve from your loneliness, bitterness and impotent rage anon. Good luck. It's never too late to seek help and build a better life.

>>18064740
I didn't say "back to /pol/"

>>18064745
Address this now: >>18064497

>>18064724
Never worked before - why would it now? The only way to enforce this is through the threat of imprisonment, brutality or execution and those are poor methods of control because people won't comply when the cracks start to show.

>>18064497
>discriminating against men and europeans in public jobs
>discriminating against europeans in university
>teaching students that discrimination has to happen
A number of examples of this both happening and being state-enforced please.

>>18064731
Data isn't an argument. It's data.

Wait the reason most of you fags want a partner with a low sexual experience count is because you're afraid you will not be able to compare with one of them and NOT because lust is a sin, relative chastity a virtue?

You intention with snagging a virgin is of the same corporeal desire as the slut: you simply want ego gratification. How can you expect a person with the strength to stifle the body's incessent cries pleasure when you yourself cannot do the same?

>>18062670
As this is a literature board, let me quote the great F. Roger Devlin from his book "Sexual Utopia in Power"
>The fundamental fallacy in the feminist critique of the double standard is the concealed premise that a man seducing a woman and a woman seducing a man are doing the same thing. They are not. It is a simple matter for nearly any young woman to find willing men, while most men cannot find
large numbers of women willing to fornicate with them. A man who succeeds in seducing a lot of women is, therefore, beating the odds which nature has stacked against his sex.
tl;dr a promiscuous woman is a no-no for many men because most men couldn't be equally promiscuous even if they wanted to and therefore a problem of mutual incompatibility between a non-promiscuous man and a promiscuous woman arises. as a rule a woman of a given level of attractiveness say 4/10 will be way more promiscuous and sexually successful than a 4/10 man who is pretty much unable to get a date let alone sex in 2021

>>18064768
"Affirmative action", teaching that affirmative action is good in many western universities

>>18064787
>Sexual Utopia in Power
>White nationalist alt-right MRA says men have it worse when getting laid
>Shocked

>>18062670
behavioural and committent and bonding problems. it means she isn't serious and likely to cheat or break up when she gets bored or finds someone else. the 'relationship' is more sex-based, not truly intimate, and she needs novelty. this doesn't bode well. the fact that you think immediate sex is the only question shows you have the same issues as these women. the only reason such people get into relationships is because culturally it's expected to do it or because they want some other benefit, in truth they don't want it and can't do it, so it's pointless. a lot of people are serious so you're literally worthless.

basically it's a difference in how people understand relationships. e.g. for men who can't commit it's just an arrangement that secures regular sex and eliciting pair instincts. the rest is just mimicking the culture in a sort of dance. good-looking men don't need to do this.

sex with someone you don't know, no matter how experienced, is also 'not even worth it' tier in comparison to a real partner (as i now know). sex is also a lot more than simple physical gratification.

>>18064784
Church girls are massive whores. Had five of them, one of them is now a rising star of conservative politics in my country. Sucked me off at a cemetary back in the day, bought several morning after pills too after she let me creampie her big cunt.

>>18064789
>A number of examples of this both happening and being state-enforced please.

>>18064050
>Conflating self reported stats in a survey to government reported crimes, something you can physically verify happened.
Bad news buddy, I think you're a fucking retard

>>18064800
>men have it worse when getting laid
What?

>>18062891
>oh look, another incel word-salad about how men are paragons and women are whores who don't deserve them
read the quote from a book I posted
>>18064787
the double standard has a solid biological basis and no amount of feminist gas lighting wil l change the fact that a woman whose body count is in the double digits will be shunned while a man with an equal body count will be admired by women who'll want to add their own bodies to his bodycount and men who'll want to be like him (but will be unable to as this lifestyle is reserved for the top 5-10% of men)

>>18064733
>There's a reason inherited wealth rarely lasts and it's because people don't plan access to the wealth protectively.
I don't know, worked for me.
t. Zoomer with a wealthy family

>>18064749
>I didn't say "back to /pol/"
You did here
>>18064471
>>18064508

>>18064755
Violence is where all authority comes from.
>Never worked before
Uh? It was never tried. You have no idea what'll happen if we let industrial society go on with it's genetically deficient people.

>>18064837
Saying the word "book" doesn't make the lunatics arguments more valuable or worthwile. Dude's a white nationalist MRA mgtow.

>>18064800
read the book, friend. Devlin is an academic and he wrote a well received book on Kojeve (a Soviet-born French commentator of Hegel who pretty much created the existentialist interpretation of Hegel). what have you written?

>>18064812
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_action
In University management courses you will learn that discriminating against Europeans in management roles should happen otherwise other races will be discriminated against.

>>18064844
No, I'm the person responding. You're quoting the wrong anon.

>>18064844
Not me:
>>18064749
>Violence is where all authority comes from.
Yes, some of it is deemed acceptable by populations and some is not. All oppressive auth-right autocracies have met the same end - why would yours be different?
>Uh? It was never tried. You have no idea what'll happen if we let industrial society go on with it's genetically deficient people.
Fascist eugenics enforced by horrific state-brutality have never been tried? Seriously?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics#Nazi_eugenics_program
>genetically deficient
Projection.

>>18062891
(You)
Sah gay

>>18064844
>Uh? It was never tried. You have no idea what'll happen if we let industrial society go on with it's genetically deficient people.

What will the superior people do when the aquifer is depleted and the well is dry?

>>18064851
>academic
so what?
>he wrote a well received book on Kojeve (a Soviet-born French commentator of Hegel who pretty much created the existentialist interpretation of Hegel). what have you written?
appeal to authority

>>18064811
Based

>>18064870
You responded to the wrong anon. I'm >>18064749

>>18064855
You speak like an indoctrinated teenager. Make your point clearly and without loaded language, you're not on fucking /pol/ now. How is affirmative action discrimination?

>>18064811
I am not a catholic nor even religious; however, that you presumed I am and riposted with an attack on a church I detest is cute, endearing even. I suspect that you possess some instinctual revulsion for virtuous behavior or hearing that others possess it even by coincidence. The scent emanating from your post is that of a midwit who rejects that which he cannot cultivate and belittles those that might possess it: fox and grapes?

Nonetheless, for future discussion I should tell you that virtue transcends religion and, perhaps, can even only truly be cultivated in its absence. How can you be virtuous if your intention is to cultivate virtue to avoid pain (like the modern catholic does)? What is your orientation to virtuous behavior?

>>18062695
You completely hit the nail on the head especially in the last paragraph about "compassion". This was my ex to a tee. I've never met someone more delusional about themselves than her. It was an utterly bizarre experience to see so much cognitive dissonance in action. Would talk all day about how "empathetic" she was when the situation wasn't calling for it but as soon as she has to walk the walk, suddenly everyone else was abusive and toxic and she was the victim despite the fact that she would start shit and cause drama by trying to manipulate people into changing to better suit her needs at their expense.
>>18062891
> Personally, I slept with 30 women by the age of 22, now at 27, this number has gone up to 32.
You're a slut so I don't respect your opinion.

>>18064811
based churchslut whoring around then making a career out of appealing to incels

>>18064928
Kek exactly

>>18064865
Oh ok, my mistake
>>18064870
>All oppressive auth-right autocracies have met the same end
le political compass... ffs
Also no, I guess everything that isn't a democracy or doesn't self-proclaim itself communist, must be "auth-right" (whatever that means). There are many authoritarian states (China being the biggest right now) who'll run over our petty democracies.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics#Nazi_eugenics_program
it wasn't enough
>Projection
not an argument. I'm /fit/
>>18064872
>What will the superior people do when the aquifer is depleted and the well is dry?
Could you reformulate? English isn't my first language.

>>18063818
>there are retards that would still be anti-Dreyfusards after the Germans kept getting info once Dreyfus got exiled
>when there's material evidence against Esterhazy

>>18064936
>le political compass... ffs
le not an argument
>Also no, I guess everything that isn't a democracy or doesn't self-proclaim itself communist, must be "auth-right" (whatever that means).
Also not an argument.
There are many authoritarian states (China being the biggest right now) who'll run over our petty democracies.
They're facing straight-up rebellion in Hong Kong, having to go full-interrment camp mode with Uyghurs and a number of other political problems. Systems that can't bend will break. It's already happening in China.
>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics#Nazi_eugenics_program
>it wasn't enough
It was enough to disprove your point.

>>18064897
>How is affirmative action discrimination?
They turn away people of a certain race or sex for jobs or university positions. In Australia, they turn away men from public jobs to hire women for example.

>>18064956
>They're facing straight-up rebellion in Hong Kong
>straight-up rebellion

>>18064354
What do you mean, disguised?

>>18064731
it's easy when you're a woman just ignore the facts you don't like

>>18064956
>le not an argument
the political compass is a bad way of looking at politics
>Also not an argument.
It was an add on on your comment about "the auth-right"
>They're facing straight-up rebellion in Hong Kong
Which they're quelling.
>having to go full-interrment camp mode with Uyghurs
good example for eugenics, see?
>and a number of other political problems.
I can only see the aging population that is easily fixable. I'd like to mention that I'm not much of a shill for China; I just like their political system.
>It was enough to disprove your point.
That eugenics work? I simply said that it wasn't enough.

>>18063176
How did you do this? Is she Christian?

>>18064997
>>having to go full-interrment camp mode with Uyghurs
>good example for eugenics, see?
It's literally eugenics and that guy sees it as China "collapsing", kek.

>>18064778
Ok so what's the point in saying that "it's not an argument"? That person is using them to back up his claim.

>>18063435
Based.

>>18064961
>>18064897
Nothing to say?

>>18063953
Honestly, woman logic is hilarious when it comes to sexual partners. My ex said she'd been with five guys. Then it came out that she blew a guy in high school. Then it came out that she had a cyber-sexual relationship that lasted through her adolescence. Didn't count in her mind because it wasn't PIV.

>>18065083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8a_-zFBldA

>>18064961
Hiring a woman is not discriminating against men. Grow up.
>>18064997
>Which they're quelling.
>good example for eugenics, see?
they're winning for now but it won't last. The people there have seen them flinch so when they hit a real crisis they'll overthrow them. If sparta couldn't make it last neither can China.
>I can only see the aging population that is easily fixable. I'd like to mention that I'm not much of a shill for China; I just like their political system.
Rising oceans will flood most of their affluent cities.
>That eugenics work? I simply said that it wasn't enough.
You said it had never been tried.

>>18065083
To be fair, those aren't necessarily "sex partners" per se. No woman counts the guy she sucked off, because there are usually 10+ of those.

>>18065111
>Hiring a woman is not discriminating against men. Grow up.
If it's to meet a quota then they are discriminating against men to hire women. That's textbook discrimination.

>>18065134
No. It isn't. It's hiring a woman. You are not entitled to a job.

>>18065111
>they're winning for now but it won't last.
Nothing lasts. That's not really a criticism of their government.
>The people there have seen them flinch so when they hit a real crisis they'll overthrow them.
And when will that come? Again that's not really a criticism of their government.
>Rising oceans will flood most of their affluent cities.
kek
>If sparta couldn't make it last neither can China.
Sparta withered away because it was ruled by women and had a hyper-militaristic society.

>>18065137
They have to decline men even when they qualify because there is a limited number of jobs and they have a gender quota. That's discrimination.

>>18065012
kek
>>18065111
>they're winning for now but it won't last.
haha What? They bought Africa (through debt), have Australia in their pockets and are buying ports and other infrastructure in Europe. Not to mention their growing influence in the US.
>The people there have seen them flinch so when they hit a real crisis they'll overthrow them.
can't see that happening
>Rising oceans will flood most of their affluent cities.
do it like the dutch lol. This is a half joke, but, lets be honest, industrial society is unsustaineble and the only way I see for our survival is its absolute end.
>You said it had never been tried.
And I appologise for my first argument; I had forgotten how efficient the chinese are

>>18065159
They're not declining to hire men. They are deciding to hire a woman.

>Nothing lasts. That's not really a criticism of their government.
>The people there have seen them flinch so when they hit a real crisis they'll overthrow them.
A failure and collapse of a government is not a valid cricicism of a government?
>And when will that come?
>Rising oceans will flood most of their affluent cities.
Shanghai by the end of the century. The rest thereafter.
>Sparta withered away because it was ruled by women and had a hyper-militaristic society.
Sparta fell because when they faced a military crisis the helots revolted. People do not react well to autocratic rule and will bite when opportunity presents itself.

lmao itt at all the teenage fascists ITT who don't think they - worthless 4chan user wouldn't be among the first in the ovens.

>>18064436
A lot of the Muslims in the the UK are not much better. I have seen them drink, smoke and pursue casual sex. The only difference is they have the residual dignity to hide it from their parents and Imams. The white women who convert are about the same as Catholic trad larpers.

>>18064407
Not him, but that's good to know, thanks.

>>18065199
>They are deciding to hire a woman.
Yes, specifically a woman. That is discrimination.
Are you denying that universities, corporations etc employ racial and gender quotas?

>A failure and collapse of a government is not a valid criticism of a government?
That's a criticism of all government I suppose but I don't see why it would happen in China. They are not floundering like the USSR.

>Sparta fell because when they faced a military crisis the helots revolted.
Their spartan population decreased massively and slowly due to their culture.

>>18065195
>have Australia in their pockets
how? They keep sanctioning Australia for criticising them.

>>18064842
Good for you. How many generations removed are you from the initial wealth accumulation though? As other anon said, most have a hard time making it last.
>>18064733
I used to talk to a Danish multi-millionaire who compared it to something like the Glubb cycle of ten generations. The rich family follows the same pattern of behavior as an empire, with each generation being less motivated to add to the capital stock.

>>18065280
Coal mined in Australia, and sold to China, created jobs dependent on a chinese market. It formed the backbone of ever greater business ties. From coal, to milk, to aluminium, to beef; a third of ALL Australian exports are shiped to China. Chinese billionares with ties to the CCP appear, investing into Australian business, donating to candidates and seeking ever closer ties into the inner circles of australian governence. A strew of australian politicians were forced to resign after taking large donations or just outright bribes from wealthy chinese individuals with close ties with the CCP. Meanwhile China started buying into valuable australian assets (like water) sold by a corrupt goverments. I could go on.

>>18065400
It made Australia richer. That's free trade, not putting them in their pocket.

>>18062670
It's because most men are far worse at finding partners for sex than women, and therefor convince themselves that having many sexual partners is a bad thing. I have been in both a long-term relationship with a woman who had only had one partner and had periods where I was single sleeping with a rotation of about a dozen women plus one night stands. If you are an attractive man, you can have as many partners as you'd like. Being in this situation -- why would I not? This isn't a cope, because I'm naturally attracted to more conservative women for relationships anyway. Its just the way it is.

It comes down to this: being so disturbed that so many women fuck so many guys simply reveals that you are not in the pool of guys these "sluts" are fucking.

I truly cherish the ecstacy of human sexuality. It is a spiritual experience and it is unfortunate that the incels on this website will not give themselves the joy of it because of their overwhelming fear at not being selected to participate in the arena of sexuality.

Be an individual. Enjoy the transcendent beauty of the female form from somewhere other than behind your computer screen.

Conquer your fear of love.

>>18065237
They are probably more right than you think. The actual Nazi party had a lot of ugly weirdos, mediocre administrators and general failures.

>>18065512
>free trade
>buys politicians
sigh, capitalists

>>18065322
>I used to talk to a Danish multi-millionaire who compared it to something like the Glubb cycle of ten generations. The rich family follows the same pattern of behavior as an empire, with each generation being less motivated to add to the capital stock.
that's how I see the problem. I feel like the only way is to use a multi-generational trust andto have enough that you can give your descendants a substanital enough income of say 4% a year divided between them of a portions is <50% of the total wealth and have the rest in index-tracked funds, land, property and utilities where available to make sure that their descendants and their descendants can also have a substantial annual income of that 4% of 49% which has grown by their time your direct children die. But nobody ever has access to the actual pot of wealth itself by law of the trust - only a proportion of the wealth annually.
It sounds convoluted but I can't see another way of ensuring a dynasty is founded. Obviously if you stretch that over a long enough time frame it's problematic for society but so long as your heirs are at the top...

>>18065563
The Nazi administration were high IQ

Can I have a tl;dr of what happened in this thread?

>>18065637
incel rage
pollacks
eugenics

>>18065637
lotta fun
go read it

>>18065651
What I find insufferable is the smugness of folks that say they are not incel. I don't get why they need to make this personal when we can just discuss impacts on to social and cultural sphere of the relationship status in current society in current year.

>>18065651
>incel rage
You know that incels call themselves inches right? You are dismissing the issue that a greater proportion of men and women can't have sex/find a partner despite the sexual revolution.

>>18065698
*You know that incels call themselves incels right?

>>18065637
Not having sex: The Thread
Different flavors of blackpilling and christcoping. Women bad.

>>18065708
>christcoping
Yeah because the people who complain while having pre-marital sex are Christian.

>>18065708
>>18065651
SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX SEX
I CAN ONLY THINK ABOUT SEX

>>18065721
The seething Deus Vult virgins on 4chan aren’t even christian. Actual christians fuck all the time before marriage.

>>18062670
>I never understood why this shit is such a dealbreaker to some men.
Sex is an animal activity, like eating. The human alone has the option to tame and control the animal body. Even perverted Freud understood that a society without sexual repression will produce no art.
A slut is ugly for the same reason a fat person is ugly. They have both given up on humanity to become animals. Humans are attracted to humans, just as animals are to animals.

>>18065732
>what no pussy does to a mf

>>18065749
>Actual christians fuck all the time before marriage.
It's a mortal sin

>>18065758
lol get a life mate

>>18065761
Just go to a confession :3
Jesus will forgive all those cocks your tradwife sucked in high school, it's none of your concern

>>18065781
Actually Christians strive to avoid sin even with confession.

>>18063888
>Why do you ever cross the street if there is a chance that a car will run you over? Why do you ever get on a plane?

I didn’t marry a whore, I married a woman who might have her hypergamy activated. I don’t think it will happen, but I agree that it might.
And why do you project that sex is the whole basis of my relationship? Do you think that that is the sole reason why people are together? I bet you are 18 and a child of divorce.
Every night I fall asleep to someone I love, someone who waits for me with a warm meal when I get home from the gym, somebody who is kind to my parents, grandmother and spinster aunt. Somebody who irons my clothes and calls me on my bullshit. She isn’t perfect and neither am I, but we trust and love one another. I pray that you might feel this someday.

>>18065796
Lmao you don't have much of a social life, do you? These people party and fuck like anyone else, looks like you're stuck with the socially inferior christians who use faith as a cope for their sheltered lifestyle.

>>18065826
Is somebody who doesn't go to mass and doesn't 'really' believe Christian to you?

>>18065124
Dont understate it anonita...

>>18065860
I'm talking about people who not only go to church every sunday and every holiday, but are also involved with the church itself, local business and trad politics. You're completely out of touch with how the influential christian people live behind the image they're selling to gullible plebs.

>>18064548
literally surrendering to
o the invader if it works for you fine but its hardly honourable or whatever

>>18065588
Sounds like a solid plan to me. Any trust you create, however, still relies on financial and legal institutions backed by state enforcement. These things themselves are subject to degeneration followed by radical change on a similar timeline to a family. It's definitely worth having a multigenerational plan, but I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. Nothing lasts forever.

>>18065237
lol

>>18065247
>source: trust me bro
None of my family or friends are like this. Maybe it's the company YOU keep but actual Muslims are different.

>>18063399
You're making quite the leap of logic from a single line of speculation.
"Besides known pregnancies, other possible sources of male microchimerism include unrecognized spontaneous abortion, vanished male twin, an older brother transferred by the maternal circulation, or sexual intercourse."
This is in the discussion section - all they are saying is 'our study found male Mc DNA in women that did not carry sons to term. We don't know why but here are some ideas we'll throw out for future study.' This is in no way conclusive proof of what you're claiming.

have sex

>>18065761
Yep. They do it anyway. If you believe otherwise you were not raised in a church. I say this as someone who was raised tradcath (am no longer)

>>18065990
This is true. Shit happens.

>>18066059
Same experience here.

>>18065606
Some of them were. Some were midwits. Those who stood trial at Nuremberg were tested, so we know their exact scores. The average was 128.

>>18065693
Because we genuinely fucking hate you. You're all projecting your own insecurities onto the world around you and shooting up schools in the process.

>>18066083
The days of arch-diocese-funded cheap pubs attached to churches are sadly behind us.

>>18064800
>MRA
He's not an MRA

>>18066042
Fair enough. If you're born into a decent community then stick with it. I just don't want anons to think their worldly problems will be automatically solved by religious conversion. A lot of people who take that view get disappointed and ultimately lose faith.

>>18064434
>I love this woman, but I can’t trust her.
Then dump her. If there isn’t trust anymore, then there is nothing you can do. This relationship is already dead, you just don’t know it yet. All of this incels itt think it’s about a body count, but the number is actually quite irrelevant. It’s the trust component. Think about it, would you rather date a girl who had 2 partners, but cheated on one with the other, or a girl with 4 previous partners who never cheated?