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Imagine being lonely OP. So very lonely. You're so lonely that you decide to sit on a bench out in public just so that you can be around other people. While sitting out, an old lady sits beside you and starts making small talk. She ends your the conversation by inviting you to eat with her and some friends. You're so lonely so you show up to the gathering. It's in a park by a beach. She finds you in the parking lot. You can smell delicious food cooking on the grill. She introduces you to some people. They're nice. She introduces you to some more people. They're also nice. You eat some food. It's super nice. Some of the people you meet invite you to some more parties. Weeks go by and you finally have friends and a social life. Your friends are all super nice. They just have a small quirk: they're all followers of a weird religion. But guess what? They're the nicest fucking people you've ever met in your entire life. And you've never been this happy. When they finally try to convert you, you're already on your hands and knees ready to worship. Because you've never had this many friends before. And you've never felt this happy.

>unlike mainstream Abrahamic faiths or Buddhism which have plausible bases for them.
You’re right, I often have lots of deep and insightful conversations with burning bushes

All religions are equally ridiculous. That's not to say they don't offer important lessons.

>>18045421
And everything seems to have gone so well, you're actually grateful to have fallen for their scam. You call yourself a happy cult member. You've noticed that some of your friends don't have a lot of friends. You start spending more time with them, but more than that, you listen to them, you sympathize with their plight, and you dedicate yourself to helping them. After a few years, you are well known for being Selfless. On the surface, the life of a happy cult member is the life you always wanted. You have so many friends, you're having so much fun, you never have to worry, and everything's going great. You're even respected by your friends. But it's all a lie. It turns out this religion is just a scam to get people to devote themselves entirely to the cult's goals. Meanwhile, billions of people die every day from starvation, and the few people with access to the food hoard it jealously, and make it so no one else can get access. And you're not alone; countless people like you get sucked into this mindless groupthink that brings you nothing more than misery and/or abuse. So what the happy cult thought would be everything your life would ever need, is nothing but an illusion, and some of the other side effects are much more horrible than you could have ever imagined and could've ever prepared for. You try to make sure that no one else is hurt or deceived. But all your friends turn against you, and you try to escape but you are stopped. Your efforts are fruitless, as many of your friends turn against you and you are thrown into a mass grave, doomed to die a slow, painful, lonely death, as the world laughs at your misfortune, and you are left with nothing but the cruel "truth" of the universe...
I put your post into a GPT-3 AI and it bullshited this out for me. Sounds about right.

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>>18045444
You can get a cream for that.

>>18045421
>But guess what? They're the nicest fucking people you've ever met in your entire life. And you've never been this happy. When they finally try to convert you, you're already on your hands and knees ready to worship. Because you've never had this many friends before. And you've never felt this happy.

Sounds like literally Satan trying to corrupt you with earthly pleasures at the cost of your spiritual well being, but ok.

>>18044552
>unlike mainstream Abrahamic faiths or Buddhism which have plausible bases for them.

>>18044552
>Abrahamic faiths or Buddhism which have plausible bases for them
Abraham was Satan in human form. I mean this seriously and unironically.

>>18044552
They believe in Mormonism because it appeal to an innate sense of supremacy within them as (mostly but not exclusively) white Americans. The theology of Mormonism is American exceptionalism codified into orthodoxy. An apotheosis of 19th century American ethno-nationalism into a sanctified creed that is immutable and inscrutable by its nature as faith. It reaffirms all that they already believed and all that they want to believe: it is the last attempt of the ambivalent gentile at wrestling the mantle of "gods chosen people" from the Jews. It takes that crown from long dead Israelites and anoints it onto the heads of the gentle American protestant.

>>18044552
I grew up in a mormon household. It's because the people who believe in it are either ignorant or put the evidence against it out of their mind.

My dad once said you me "You wont get a logical answer to a spiritual question". They believe in feelings over facts

>>18045781
It existed in the 19th century when they were persecuted by other Protestants

>>18045773
Textual evidence or gtfo

>>18045781
I did not know this and hope that this is true. Everyone loves making fun of Mormons but can’t say anything bad about them after meeting them. They were the only people Howard Hughes trusted with his money. I’ve only heard great things about them as people. They sound like the opposite of Jews.

>>18045791
Did I say anything that disagrees with those facts? It's a faith that was founded and grew predominately in the 19th century, and while other protestants didn't like it, it's theology undoubtedly arose out of a protestant theology and understanding of grace. Smith wasn't basing his shit out of the Greek Orthodox or Catholic churches. He was a product of the second Great Awakening, a uniformly protestant religious movement in general.

My point here more broadly is that people flocked to Mormonism because it was a crystallization of the social norms/values of its time, most notably American exceptionalism and manifest destiny. It gave a firm, theological underpinning for American expansionism and the ambition of America to enter the world's stage as a leading power.

>>18045795
5000 years of Jewish behavior

>>18045812
Anon, if you read that post and took away "wow, Mormons are awesome!" then you need to go out and read more, ffs

>>18045821
>I don't actually have any evidence, either from the Bible or any historical sources. I just know it because of them sneaky jews

FTFY

>>18045816
Is something similar happening in China now?

>>18045822
They absolutely aren't awesome. They are fucking annoying and they suck

But they are nice to generally anybody

>>18045822
It does sound pretty great though

>>18044552
>>18045444
There's actually a deep connection between these two things. The only possible way the Abrahamic faiths can be true (have plausible bases") requires human beings to have met with angels, seen or performed indisputable supernatural miracles, and so forth. And moreover said faiths claim that sometimes said angels or miracles were witnessed by many people at the same time. Guess what: Mormonism claims exactly the same things on that front. So how's it any less plausible? To be truly a Jew or a Christian you have to believe Moses really spoke to Yahweh through that burning bush. Mormons aren't making claims any less plausible than that. Non-Mormons must be stupid if they think every supernatural claim Mormons made is limited to "Joseph Smith said that..." because it's hundreds and thousands of Mormons all making supernatural claims, ranging from people historically close to Joseph Smith who swore they saw angels or miracles or even did miracles themselves, down through the following two centuries to the present day. Actually the sheer historical witnessing makes Mormonism more plausible than taking the Bible's word for the claims it makes. None of that even taps into the existence of dreams, visions, prophecies, revelations, etc that are then proven true. Mormonism has lots of those too.

>>18045829
Not really, though I'm not an expert in contemporary chinese politics. There's no need for a religious movement like that in modern China, as the cultural revolution replaced any type of metaphysical superstition with state ideology. They don't need to justify to their citizenry why China has the right to expand its influence over the rest of Asia. The very fact that the state/Xi says it is ipso facto justification enough. Under contemporary, 21st century CCP political thought the party ideology itself (as changeable as it has been historically by each head of state) is God and the party leader is its prophet.

>>18045828
Just look at all the monster psychopaths of the last ten years, the Sackler family (500,000 dead), Epstein and his gentile underage girl rape island, endless wars for Zionism, Bernie Madoff, Weinstein’s decades of rape, look at the media’s constant race baiting and one sided coverage of events (an industry of Jews and manipulation). People like you seemingly will only accept reality, as such, if head Rabbi of planet earth confided in you that they are truly evil and in fact Satan’s chosen people.

>>18045831
How do Mormons affect your life at all? They keep to themselves and stay within their own communities.

>>18045870

>I don't have any concrete or related examples, so here's a list of people, the only unifying factor being that they're jewish and they did bad things. You know what they say "was a jew CAUSE a jew"

How do people get so retarded to think this way? What was it that convinced you that all of the world's jews were magically in concert with one another and that collectively they had the power of a Marvel super villain? Did you read the protocols and actually think it was anything other than a Tsarist forgery?

>>18045877
Tell that to the multiple mormon missionaries that come by my neighborhood every fucking weekend and try to convert people even when they know you are not interested whatsoever. Stay in their own communities my ass. You can't have a missionary based religion and just keep to yourself, it doesn't work like that. If the basis of your entire religion is conversion then you have to actively try to convert people.

>>18045916
Then just join them

>>18045912
>stop noticing things goy

>>18045912
They are like 3% of the population in the US and even less probably worldwide and yet behind virtually every great evil you find them in massively disproportionate numbers. Who the fuck do you think pushes for the endless wars in the Middle East for Israel? NOBODY wants these wars to continue except the Zionists and Jews. You are so god damn retarded. Stop thinking everyone is like you. People CAN be evil. Jews are an organization of evil.

If I get kicked out of a bar and I tell you it’s not my fault, that they were jealousy of how awesome I am, you might believe me if were my friend. But what if I get kicked out of 10 bars? Do you really think everyone is out to get me or that maybe I’m an asshole? What if I get kicked out of 50 bars? I might be the asshole at this point, right? The Jews have been kick out of 109 bars?!?!

You are such a weak pathetic trusting piece of shit. You should take a vacation to Israel and kill a bunch of Palestinians, it’s the sport over there. Maybe killing will wake you the fuck up

>>18045984
It’s more than 109

>>18045916
Clearly you need to join them. They can tell what a faggot cuck you are just by looking at you

>>18045991
Counting nation state explusions it's 110 since Yemen booted out theirs a few months back. If we're counting all explusions throughout history, from towns to cities to kingdoms to empires to nation states it's over 10,400 if I recall correctly, and I remember that figure didn't include recent localized expulsions like the orthodox jews in Guatemalan tribal lands from a few years back.

>>18046016
How do you help a retard faggot like >>18045912 ?

>>18046058
I think for most people conditioning from childhood is had to break and most people both don’t want to and can’t think for themselves. Most people do whatever the tv tells them to do and the Jew’s own that medium and for good reason.

>>18045984
>They are like 3% of the population in the US and even less probably worldwide and yet behind virtually every great evil you find them in massively disproportionate numbers [citation needed]. Who the fuck do you think pushes for the endless wars in the Middle East for Israel [citation needed]? NOBODY wants these wars to continue except the Zionists and Jews [citation needed]. You are so god damn retarded. Stop thinking everyone is like you. People CAN be evil. Jews are an organization of evil [citation needed].

Anon, I hate to tell you this, but in the real world, when we make arguable and somewhat specious claims, we have to back them up with something called "evidence". Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true. I know this is hard for you, but please, try a little harder next time. For the kids' sake.

>>18044552
Because it is beyond the scope of effort for believers to create their own congregation and thus organizational apparatus to make life as easy. That is the pay off of believing what you know to be bullshit. Your wages are earned in the rank by how hard to shovel bullshit without showing signs of wear and tear. You are passing on the hot potato of consequences to the next gullible oaf and self destructing on your own hot potatos in total silence. Thanks for playing!

>>18045762
>Plausible bases
>Meaning tolerable expectations of stable repetitive behavior
>Not even coming close to addressing the pitfalls of anticritical magical thinking brutal barbarism

>>18044552
Most of them were born into it, their families are fully believers. It's literally part of their identity.

>>18045877
>Mormons
>Affect your life at all
You're already quitting on that train of thought by setting up no affect as the goalpost. That's depriving us of tribal sincerity.
There's a fable of the Ducks and Hens. The ducks should quack and not cluck because they are ducks and not hens. But the hens scream that it's so Anti-henitic to quack in Duckville.
Actual people who could not be Mormon and thus transact/interact with me more charitably intellectually, spiritually, emotionally and thus gib gud pusi too.
I'd probably be married with children on a 4 acre mansion if it wasn't for Abrahamic corrosive belief systems turning my people astray from their natural systems management into supernatural (fake and gay and desert dusty) gobbledygook. Instead I have inferior cooperation and and inferior baseline foundation to work with. Amnesiac empire. Let's say I do get the 4 acre home and wife and kids. It's still now an Abrahamic insurgency ruining my estate.

I have a Mormon friend who offered to introduce me to the church and shit, i honestly wish I was capable of joining because the people are so nice and I’ve been alone forever with no support system but I can’t bring myself pretend I believe in that all and I am a Christian. they are great though and I unironically hope they outbreed the degeneracy that has destroyed this country.

>>18045984
At the end you defend another evil? Mindless monsters called Muslims? You are just as bad.

lol people are so butthurt about Mormons that nobody decided to talk about scientology

>>18049697
Unlike Mormonism, Scientology has no reports of public and private miracles on a similar scale. Not just that but Mormonism in addition to being true or laying claim to it as good as claims made by ancient Abrahamism, has a net-positive influence on its members and the world as a whole. Meanwhile Scientology is actively abusive to some its own members and has even caused their deaths via said abuse. It also doctrinally licenses itself to use any dirty tactics it can to harm its enemies (Fair Game policy) and has gone incredibly far to carry this out (Operation Snow White). Last of all, whereas Joseph Smith was able to work miracles in the sight of numerous people, L. Ron Hubbard is known to have said that the best way to make money is to make a religion, and then he went and made one. Mormon leaders put all the tithing money and investment money they get from their members and resources into a massive rainy day fund which they don't actually touch for any personal purposes. Scientology's leaders get tons of money out of its members to actually live lavishly. Of course people are butthurt about Mormonism because it actually has a better claim on being true and good, which invites angry apostates and other antis to try to tear it down out of resentment. Scientology on the other hand is just patently false and straight up evil.
>pic related is the only good thing L. Ron Hubbard ever made

>>18049751
damn bro what kind of retard believes the mormons

>>18050244
How can you deny a miracle if you see it? What if you're in the company of people who also see it?

>>18050719
You report it to the Church, you don’t start a new heresy

>>18050722
Christianity wouldn't exist, much less "the Church," if Jews did that when Jesus started working miracles in their midst. Don't be foolish.

>>18050748
Jesus is God, homo. The Mormon founder is a heretic like Muhammad.
Christ founded the Church.

>>18049697
That's because Mormons are still people

>>18050767
Idiot presuppositionalist, try better.