/lit/ - Literature

Add Csizsantmihyahiyalyhili's "Flow"

>>18033640
What does that book add that isn't covered by a mix of these four? The first three each incorporate the idea of flow into the writing.

>>18033628

I've read all these books and my capacity to learn has not changed or increased whatsoever. This is not to say that a lot of these techniques aren't helpful or effecient. But I think 99% of skill/knowledge acquisition is proportional to how hard you're actually trying. So you can condense all of the above down to "Don't take shortcuts or try to avoid struggling with learning, don't delude yourself into thinking busywork is productive". So it really just circles back to mental endurance.

>>18033628
This thread is as trash as the others. Feel bad fren.

>>18033628
>Atomic Habits
Lol how does that help you learn?

>>18033628
Possibly the worst thread this board has seen in the past 7 years. Congratulations on being a stupid fucking faggot.

>>18033701
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
>>18033710
:(
>>18033711
By creating a series of easy to slip into systems one can create concrete habits of studying whatever they desire. It's about the difference between using motivation and willpower to do the particular thing vs using motivation and will power to set up systems that allow unmotivated you to learn and study anyway.
>>18033720
:(

Sorry for wasting everyone's time I guess.

>Four Older but Insightful Books on How to Prepare for an Intellectual Life: 1) A. D. Sertillanges, The Intellectual Life, 2) Mortimer Adler, How to Read a Book, and 3) Gilbert Highet, The Art of Teaching, 4) Jacques Barzun, The Teacher in America, and by way of caution I would add a Fifth Book, Paul Johnson, Intellectuals.

you lot didn't go to school or what?

>>18033628
literally paper flashcards. Leave computer in the next room. Quiet environment, well fed with healthy meal and cardio. Well rested.
Straight up monk mode.
Read https://portalconservador.com/livros/A.D.Sertillanges-The-Intellectual-Life.pdf
Puts the intellectual work you need to do in context of a whole sense of work and self.

>>18033787
nah m8 2am drinking red bull listening to raekwon every time

>>18033765

> By creating a series of easy to slip into systems one can create concrete habits of studying whatever they desire. It's about the difference between using motivation and willpower to do the particular thing vs using motivation and will power to set up systems that allow unmotivated you to learn and study anyway.

You'll never get good at anything if you're obsessed with "making it easy" or "lifehacks". This is not supported by Neuroscience. Willpower and motivation are actually the bottom line and your brain best adapts when you reach an optimal level of fatigue and stress while doing something.

>>18033711
By regurgitating someone else's research in a format readable by your average 6th grader and then spending the rest of the book giving anecdotes and repeating the research and giving you the occasional "You can do it". I started and stopped with The Art of Tidying up when I realized the only idea it had to offer was the rather obvious idea to keep shit that's really useful or you really care about followed by 500 "it's easy!"s and "I believe in you!"s. Trash, all of it.

>>18033837
I agree, but the target demographic of the rec isn't someone already deeply motivated with access to knowledge work tools, it's a zoomer who spends all day shitting up the board instead of reading. They aren't ever going to reach the point you are talking about.

>>18033787
>Leave computer in the next room.
>Literally have to work in the computer.

This is the 21st century you know?

>>18033787
This good if I'm not RC?

>>18033844
Not everyone is as smart or as wise as you are anon. Some people need it spoon fed to them just so they can start making changes.

>>18033894
You know he will say yes, but you know the answer will be no.

>>18033897
I'd be fine with that, admitting that I'm an idiot too, if self-help didn't feel like it was written like a high schooler trying to hit a word count.

>>18033837
all great men who are masters of a craft or subject say there's nothing any intelligent person couldn't learn about it in half a day. that's true of everything. the great mystery that requires 20 years doesn't exist in any field.

>>18033879
turn off all electric lights

>>18033894
read it and find out
>>18033879
use a modicum of creativity to decrease the computeryness of your job

>>18033913
>>18033944
Fair, I'll bite.

>>18033949
just so you know I do have your best interest at heart, I wouldn't say "read it and find out" if you couldn't probably blow through it in an hour or two
but it's a short book, a low investment to find out for yourself

I'm FREEEEEEEEEE

Not a bad idea, anon.

>>18033976
OP here, I appreciate the rec and I'll look over it. I love these older types of learning books. Lesser keys of Solomon even has a whole section about knowledge. Neat stuff.

>>18033701
>busywork
What do you mean by this fren? English is not my first language

>>18034300
Busywork is work that keeps you busy. It is work that does not have any value other than to keep the person doing the work occupied with doing work. Either because it would make the boss seem important or it keeps up the façade that the individual is being productive.

>>18033628
I don't read Jews fuck off

>>18033924
>no true scotsman
>le everything easy xD
good reminder about what type of people voice their opinions on this board. seriously kys

Wow. Four books. Thanks for this amazing effort.

>>18033628
Just post the fucking bullet list
Those books have useful advice, but they are all burgers, and burgers love bloat

>>18033701
The only thing you really need is an actual, concrete reason to learn your topic
People aren't stupid at all, it's just that most of the things you are expected to, or trying to learn are in fact not necessary for you to get by, so you fall back into energy conservation mode
Explain to yourself why you need to do something, and see it get done effortlessly, while energizing and motivating you

How much of these are motivational and/or focuse based?

I'm very interested in some sort of pedagogy based chart that sums up how educators teach and what's proven to work, they're the ones that take learning as a discipline

>>18034401
I think any more than 4 and the zoomer mind will get choice paralysis.
>>18034422
Repetition is good for memory, actually.
>>18034434
Good post.

>>18033628
Terrible chart. You need to start with the BASICS!

>>18034500
Look into blooms taxonomy.
I picked these books because they were the least motivational bullshit books on the subjects that weren't ancient tomes by old scholars. I wanted to provide something newer. Each book provides methods, rules, anecdotes, and data for their given thesis.

Anyone got some good recommendations for getting into poetry?

Worst chart ever

>>18034599
:(

>>18034604
I'm sorry friend. Perhaps it's not the worst

>>18033628
>a book
>about how to read a book
seems problematic

>>18033628
>>18033640
I've read Flow, Atomic Habits, and like half of deep work and honestly this shit is useless, just read and study

>>18034752
It can be all summarized with a couple of sentences

>>18034802
Summaries don't integrate into your neural network. Summaries don't tell moving and meaningful stories that represent ideas. Summaries don't replace actively engaging and working with information.

>>18034811
That's why your read actual books instead of a summary of books and their morals which is essentially what self improvement books are.

>>18034827
>read real books!
>no not those real books!

>>18035773
If I'm going to get information I either want it fast or thorough. Self-help fucks up in both those regards.

>>18035794
These books are pretty through, though.

>>18034604
Listen here little baby. You're gonna get a lot of hurtful and degrading comments, but that ain't what I'm about. Let me just say, your chart is perfect just way it is. You hear me sugar? PERFECT. Don't ever change. You deserve anything and everything you want. Stay safe for me, baby girl.

>>18033936
mfw he doesn't
>write by candle
>stamp each flashcard with candle wax with a mark of authenticity
>write with quill and ink
ngtmi

fucking plebs

That was nice of you, OP. However, the chart already exists.
Congratulations on helping anons, tho.

>>18033640
Do anglos find Csikszentmihalyi hard to write?

>>18037729
That's really scattered and unhelpful with no real goal in mind.

Where is Tai Lopez?

https://youtu.be/Cv1RJTHf5fk

>>18033628
Is this backed up by peer-reviewed research or is it just BS?

>>18037507
:)

>>18033628
Why did you add a bunch of self-help crap?

>>18039268
Because you are retarded and need help.
>>18039193
Some of it is sure, especially Make it Stick.
>>18037729
I found that list to be more for the type of person who already has removed themselves from the addictions of the internet and it's related appendages.

>>18039680
>Make it Stick
What's the synopsis for this book? In a few sentences.

>>18039699
Repetition over long periods of time increases memory. There are 3-5 techniques of memory that have been shown to be highly effective. Most learning methods in the education system are ineffective. Basically one should work through blooms taxonomy in order to learn things. Struggling with complex topics that makes you feel retarded is actually highly effective in the long run. Everyone learns slightly differently based on your contextual understanding of the world, but the way to funnel that context into your brain isn't very different.

It really is the one book I wish I had read before I went off to college, but it wasn't published until after I graduated.

>>18039747
What's the research backing this up? Is it peer-reviewed research that has been backed up by replication?

>>18039766
It has a list of sources and cites studies, yeah.

>>18039786
Ok, I marked it as a to-read book. However, I'm suspicious of these types of book. I'm a PhD student in (behavioural) economics, so I'm aware of how shaky a lot of this research is. I think the best method is to try different learning techniques (writing a short summery of what you just read, explaining concepts that you just read about to yourself, doing exercises etc.) and then track your own performance (how well you do in tests etc.). I suspect that different people also learn the best differently, at least to some degree.

>>18038306
>You learn to read|study better
>You learn to think better
>you (optionally) learn about philosophy, music, fiction, history, STEM, etc. and thus learns to enjoy them better and maybe even get a hobby
>you become better socially

How the fuck does this have no real goal in mind?

>>18039881
Why should I spend time learning about philosophy, music etc.? What's the point?

>>18039824
The book covers those skills. Look, I have a JD. Most people with some sort of graduate degree have learned the hard way to do all this. You probably aren't going to get anything out of the book because you probably have already read the literature and articles on the subject. I'm recommending it for retards about to start school or teach themselves something.

>>18039895
(You) would know. If you're interested in learning about more|a specific subject, go for it.
If you don't want it, don't read it. I myself didn't read the art of fiction nor the introductory college textbooks, and only read Pre-Calculus because I was interested in it. You know that you don't have to read all the books on a chart, right?

>>18039916
I'm sure I could learn something from it, and I'm not that familiar with that literature. What methods do you use? I just write a short summery of what I just read after each chapter, and I explain concepts to myself after I read about them. Has worked well enough for me.

>>18039916
people who go to grad school are more likely than normal to be lost in life. Unless they are like early-mid twenties. Older grad students are vry cringe

>>18039978
I'll do the same when I'm reading. I'll then use mind maps to work through how it connects. Sometimes flash cards. Sometimes memory palace stuff. Explain it to others and argue with people on the internet about it. It depends on the end goal.

>>18039988
Good for you anon, that's not what this thread is about.

>>18039995
Ok, memory palace seems a bit silly to me, but it might work for some people. Explaining concepts to yourself and others seems like the most sensible thing to do, because if you can explain something then you understand it at least fairly well. Doing exercises is also good because then you're using those concepts to solve problems, which also makes you understand those concepts better.

>>18039930
But if you're really supposed to follow the chart then you're guaranteed to be investing a lot of time into shit you don't care about, for example in my case calculus.

I guess this could work to replace a general education bachelors degree and show an uneducated person what the world has to offer, but most of us already are in our twenties here and our interests are pretty much solidified by now.

>>18040034
>memory palace seems a bit silly to me
Memory palaces are for memorizing long lists of information in a short period of time. Like, if I have less than two weeks for something and I need to remember bits of information (as opposed to critical thinking and integration to a broader knowledge on a subject) then memory palaces are extremely useful.

>>18040045
That’s part of why I didn’t pick books in the OP that are too particular about the substantive topics of study.

>>18033628
garbage books. You're probably better off buying a Intro to Java or C++ book than self-help trash.

>>18040626
What if I don’t want to learn how to program?

>remove distractions and focus for longer periods of time, probably meditate daily too
>repeat your exposure to content and take notes
>try to be conscious about your habits and restructure them to be more efficient
>read carefully, read things twice, underline and take notes, summarize in your own words

Did I miss anything? So why should I read these?

>>18040685
If you've internalized those lessons to a subconscious level, then you don't need to.

holy shit. just read books.
I think deep work is okay, I don't know about the middle two, h2rab is just incredibly boring autism.
If you need to make a whole fucking stage production about preparing to read, maybe
A. you're not reading shit that actually interests you
B. you're reading shit you don't understand (in which case you should start with simpler or more foundational material and work your way up; e.g. unironically starting with the greeks helps contextualize most of philosophy that comes afterwards)
and/or
C. you should just be doing something else because you're just doing this for social credit in pseud communities.