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Capital T Traditionalism, like Marxism, is not actually a philosophy of history at all, but a political ideology that uses history like a tool, as a foundation for political aims. It is contemptuous of real history and has no desire to reach its true essence.

Can one be both a philosopher and a historian? The philosopher speculates on truths and ideals that transcend time and space, while the historian judges the expressions of each historical period separately and independently. It was quite acceptable in the age of Hegel and Herder, when the field of history was in its infancy, to conceive of a priori philosophical systems and smother history underneath them. But in the age post-Ranke it is the height of charlatanry. He who philosophizes about history after Ranke is, or at least should be, shackled by the most basic assumption of Ranke's revolutionary method: that each historical epoch must be judged independently and that every system of belief is shaped by its historical environment. When one attempts to expand the Hegelian philosophy beyond the scope of Western Europe, or Traditionalism to account for the possibility of cultural originality, they swiftly disintegrate. Like Marxism, Traditionalism has nothing but myopic criticism to give of the modern age and consequently has nothing meaningful to say about it. As Ranke says, history is the arch-nemesis of the philosopher.

The general is reached through examination of the particular. A philosophy of history attempting to employ Ranke's method must be formulated a posteriori, in which history is allowed to speak its mind and the philosopher listens and observes accordingly. This is the view that every thought of a human being is incomprehensible without its historical context. It would seem impossible then for the philosopher of history to actually be a philosopher since nothing is really "true" only the forms of consciousness that predominate in a particular age.

But this is not the case. Awareness of the contextual nature of truth brings with it awareness of the Heraclitean aspect of history which in its essence is one of ultimate and pure Becoming. An a posteriori philosophy of history therefore demands a philosophy of ultimate and pure Becoming. The dynamic and continual shaping and reshaping of human consciousness through time is the eternal law. There is nothing that exists outside consciousness, which constitutes reality itself. Human thought is the constant that illuminates the world and creates living forms out of that which is dead.

Being is that which every historical culture aims itself towards, but what constitutes Being as a particular culture conceives of it is relegated to particular belief systems which are observably fluid and drift over the centuries. There can be no absolute Being, only the contextual and particular. According to this view even Being falls under the domain of pure Becoming in the fluid motion of the world and the dynamic totality of human history.

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>>18034289
>but what constitutes Being as a particular culture conceives of it is relegated to particular belief systems which are observably fluid and drift over the centuries. There can be no absolute Being, only the contextual and particular

>> No.18034334

>>18034289
I have 0 respect for sophists who co-opt popular words for their retarded philosophy. Go fuck yourself. You're exactly like leftists who co-opted liberalism.

>> No.18034351

>>18034289
>The general is reached through examination of the particular.
Isn't this one of Hegel's core tenants?

>> No.18034359

>>18034351
His misinterpretation of Goethe, yes.

>> No.18034416

>>18034289
Brainlet here. Help me understand OP. You shit on Hegel in your second paragraph but your last two seem like an endorsement and restatement of his Phenomenology. What are you trying to say?

>> No.18034431

Traditionalism isn’t even a separate word, but usually just a high class excuse for being a neo-nazi

>> No.18034572

>>18034416
According to Hegel history is the gradual self-realization of a human god-consciousness, or mankind becoming aware of itself as a god. This conception of universal history runs counter to the truth of individual consciousness. Even so the value of Hegel is that he elevated consciousness to the highest level. There is in fact a potentially infinite multiplicity of developments in history as each human consciousness constructs reality for itself. A new grouping of like minded individuals becomes a new culture or civilization. Each new development represents an original and creative spark. This is a fully heliocentric model of history that allows each star to shine as brightly as our own.

>> No.18034573

>>18034572
>According to Hegel
According to me rather, this is my characterization.

>> No.18034611

>philosophy of history is wrong because I believe that consciousness is reality
Am I too drunk or is OP retarded?

>> No.18034633

>>18034611
You're drunk. I outline why a philosophy of history is fraught with complications and conclude that there can be only one true method of philosophizing about history, all else is charlatanry.

>> No.18034664

Read some books before posting your nonsense

>> No.18034692

>>18034572
Okay, thank you for the explanation. But does Hegel's system preclude the multiplicity that you refer to? Sure there's an Absolute and it realizes itself through Becoming, but it realizes itself through our individual consciousnesses.

>> No.18034823

>>18034692
The Absolute proceeds past the individual. Hegel thought the rational bureaucratic state would fully realize human freedom. You see it here too. In his system the individual is smaller than the state. Actually all things begin and end with the individual.

>> No.18034905

>>18034431
traditionalism is a reactionary ideology, not a fascist one.

>> No.18035222

>>18034334
This