/lit/ - Literature

>>18032158
>Do not respond to posts with a pepe, wojack, or anime as a image
>Do not respond to posts that ask a single question/are clearly meant to start arguments/bait
>Ignore "books for this feel/recommendations" threads; those questions belong in the QTDNDTOT threads

>>18032183
you forgot
>[off-topic subject] + "Books that explain this?"

>>18032158
Perma ban all philosophy posters.

>>18032158
remove all the attention whores

increase word limit
increase line limit
split lit into phil and fiction

>>18032158
The truth is that /lit/ was and will always be a shadow of itself, at all points in time

you might as well as how do we fix zoomers.
with bullets.

>>18032183
serious question what is wrong with frogposting? perhaps not you specifically anon but there's one fucker who goes into autistic rage at seeing lil pepes in replies

Increase toxicity and hostility towards low effort posters,make them leave,sage their threads.
if you dont have anything worthwhile to post or say,(BASED posts are increasingly common ,mimicking an upvote) shut your mouth, simple as that.
lurk more,no spoonfeeding etc.
Decrease the board's speed
It's this or leaving

Try posting in the good threads that are up.

Time is a flat circle. Just go browse the archives and live in another time fag

>>18032427
haven't you noticed that more and more useless thread are created?
threads where the poster says:
>me,me,me
>what are some books about ME
and these threads invariably push others out of the catalog because there's always a steady supply of them.I'm not very knowleadgeble on anything and as such I lurk and got threads opened right now waiting for any replies by someone who can add something to them, but the only thing that happens is that I watch them die

do not respond to tikalma threads

>>18032265
>not in the Goethe thread
>hasn't even read Goethe
Go back. And take you're sci-gen with you

>>18032513
I think there's a large contingent of people who use 4chan (/fit/, /lit/, /biz/) as self-help resources, or I suppose a kind of therapy/consultancy - i.e. "what should I read to stop being such a huge faggot?"

>>18032513
Obviously, but no one in these bitching threads ever posts in the good ones.

>>18032158
>how do we fix /lit/
Leave so we can have peace and prosperity

>>18032524
what's a tikalma thread

Do you guys remember when we had pen-pal threads? I talked to an anon for about 3 years, and eventually met in person, before we fell out of touch.

>>18032158
ban all discussion pertinent to the bible and nietzsche
also enable flags

>>18033611
brilliant, we can go from
>"fucking dumb pseud"
to
>"fucking dumb pajeet"

>>18032183
Anime is often fine. I agree with the rest though.

Kill all phoneposters
Get /a/'s jannie to clear away all the frogs, wojacks and off topic shitpoting

>>18032531
>Goethe
>Philosopher

>>18032274
so the religion garbage goes on fiction or?

ban all images

Educate.

>>18033634
...says the weeb autogynephile after he masturbated over his pillow a LOT.

>>18033678
Even if that were true it's hardly relevant. Which seems to put you in the position of troublemaker rather than the anime posters. You need to control your weird fantasies about what trannies do in their spare time my man.

>>18033634
anime is literally only good for comfy rain gifs like the one you posted

>>18032158
you don't. i have 90% of the catalog hidden and as a result i spend less time here, more for reading.

>Politics have to revolve around ideas covered in literature. Said literature needs to be mentioned. No "Jews are bad/Communism is good" shit unless it relates to what's said in a book that's mentioned in the post
>No "books for [what I want this thread to discuss]" threads, there's usually no actual desire to get recommendations, it's just to start a conversation about a non-/lit/ topic
>Recommendation thread people actually use
>More varied literature discussed than the usual DFW/Pynchon/Mishima/Joyce crew
>Immediate containment field around any thread butters posts in
Basically make the literature board about literature.

more generals. all the generals on here seem to be better than the rest of the board (though thats not hard)

>>18033732
This. What happened to /crg/?

>>18033738
I'm not sure I ever browsed that one, what was it?

>>18033744
Currently Reading General. It was nice, was mostly books that aren't mentioned often too.

Should /lit/ have a pinned general thread? That might weed out a lot of unnecessary threads.

>>18033732
this, I started /lang/ and it seems have some nice discussion if slow. recently I havent had much time to spend on here so couldn't post /lang/ and was pleasantly surprised to come back and see others were still posting it

>>18032158
/lit/ has barely changed, but the world around us has changed a lot

>>18033750
sounds very comfy, if it comes back I'll definitely post in it
>>18033753
smart idea

>>18033738
>>18033744
>>18033750
>>18033763
Not original /crg/ OP but I made a thread since there seems to be interest: >>18034239

>>18034245
based, made a post there

>>18032158
Threads that encourage posting content (ex: /ffa/) tend to be way better than other threads that are more opinion/argumentative. I guess more of those threads are the way to go. The big problem though is making something that will catch on and people will respond to.

>>18032513
Limit each IP to posting one thread per week.

>>18033660
I am still going to call you a nigger.

>the only good thread up has 5 posters and is about to slide
If you want to save lit either go back or KYS

>>18032158
Newfag here.
Tell me, papa, what was /lit/ like in the beforetimes?

>>18032158
The best way to improve /lit/, is to stop using /lit/, and read books, go outside, make love, experience the joy of your body, go to work and be productive.

>>18036424
I see that you’re one on those “do as I say, not as I do” types...

>>18036406
i mean classic /lit/ was a bunch of retards actually into books with some of the true gold moments (husserl scholar, the booktubers, etc.)
even in later /lit/ (post election) at least the overused memes cycled in and out. there was always a philosopher du jour who would get posted to no end (alfred north whitehead got popular for some reason) until the next one came along. i haven't seen a fresh one since guenon at least.

>>18036470
It sound like /lit/ could be fixed if we just created a separate /phl/ board. Philosophy and religion are really fascinating topics, and frankly deserve their own space, but they can also be an all-consuming cesspool of evangelists and a quagmire of circular argumentation.

I assume (perhaps foolishly) that quite a few folks actually enjoy the posts challenging each other to ‘refute’ some illustration of a dead dude’s face. Maybe you all hate that game, but it seems to keep happening...so at least someone’s into it. For a bunch of deep thinkers, the /phl/ anons really like to hitting the same notes over and over.

It’s not like /lit/ isn’t also guilty of obsessing over the same few authors and books...but at least we have the ability to say ‘Eh, I guess Cormac McCarthy is just not my thing’ with out it being a whole epistemological/virtue signaling brouhaha.

Well, I guess I’ve made my position clear. I’m also a newfag, a phone-poster, and an audiobook listener (new father, who the fuck has time for paper)...so what do I know?

>>18032158
Lefty politics enforced through strict moderation. There's no other way.

>>18032357
Frogs piss off all the right people.

>>18032183
Only good threads are those with anime images.

EITT post effort threads and last responses to effort posts.
If not you deserve permabans

Why bother suggesting things that require moderation to enforce? When in living memory have mods intervened to improve the board in any way? There have been hundreds of meta-threads and no results. Help isn't coming. The problems of the board are endemic to the site.
Think of it this way, what can regulate the behaviour of a group of autonomous agents? A few factors come to mind: reputation, shared customs, laws, convergent interests. Reputation is out the door immediately due to anonymity. Custom and mores can bind behaviour, but their effectiveness decreases in proportion to the increase of the size of a community. As a group gets larger you can no longer rely on the mechanisms of mechanical solidarity to produce like-minded individuals who will act similarly of their own volition: people of diverse interests and diverse customs come to occupy the same community, and the behavioural regulation which which was once implied must now be proscribed, through laws. But laws require enforcement, and no one enforces them here because mods and jannies don't care. The possibility of moderation through interests requires a set of incentives which can harmonise behaviour. These clearly do not exist here. In fact, there are disincentives to putting in any effort. So if all structural factors tend toward dysfunction, why be surprised by the dysfunction that results?
In the light of that, just stop worrying about the quality of the board as a whole—you're chasing a chimera. Instead, treat /lit/ like fishing: cast a line out every now and then and see what nibbles, and make the most of those few threads where you can actually have a good discussion. Otherwise, just relax and enjoy the shitposting.

Been trying to sleep the last 48 hours, but nothing seems to wo-
>>18037102
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

>>18032158
>>18032183
it's too late...we must go straight through to the other side

im trans btw
my diary desu

the anti-academia attitudes of the new ppl goes against lit values. even if academia is wack, you should still go to the best school you can get into and do the best you can there. anything else is cope. after you graduate come back and tell us all the ridiculous stories and we'll have a laugh.

>>18032158
BAN TRIPFLAGS THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY P L E A S E

>>18037102
>Reputation is out the door immediately due to anonymity.
Unless we all become tripfags. I know it's giga-gay, but it solves the enforcement of norms problem.

>>18032183
>>18032427
>>18033695
>>18034817
>>18036047
filter and sage

>>18037102
I feel like things have gotten worse while you were gone, but what you're saying is still the only option we've got anyway.

>>18032540
Absolutely, and they’re the worst type of posters.

>>18032158
Pay me to post more. I'm keeping this board afloat but my charitable spirit has its limits.

>>18032277
Yep. Been here for 9 years, and it's always been the same old bullshit, maybe with waves of people meming books. This year it's the F. Gardner bullshit, a couple years ago there'd be Amino shitposting, and the earliest I remember from when I first started chilling here was Ass Goblins of Auschwitz.
Start with the Greeks has always been a thing. Constant religious, Nietzsche, and DFW circlejerk threads have always been a thing here. Butterfly has been here since I can remember.
One big change I've noticed over the years is how unironically religious anons have gotten here, or maybe it's just a larp, I can't fucking tell anymore.
It's never really been great here, but I like it. The board is slow, people don't fuck around, I get good recs, and I get to have conversations with people that are impossible for me to have irl.

>>18033634
no

>>18037299
We could even implement a ranked voting system, to make sure that shitposts and retards are seen the least.

>>18037299
I don't think it would actually. I didn't mention it because it wasn't relevant, but reputation as a form of behavioural regulation also diminishes as the size of a community increases, simply due to the epistemic problem of meaningfully tracking the growing number of members. It is also dependent on reputation actually having consequences, and the ability to meaningfully enforce any kind of reputation here is limited. Plus, even the limited enforcement that could exist would be rendered meaningless by the fact that it is elective, so you could just drop the trip to avoid all the consequences whenever you want.
And besides, not all forms of behavioural regulation are desirable. I think a lot of people come here precisely to escape regulation by reputation anyway.

>>18036650
>It sound like /lit/ could be fixed if we just created a separate /phl/ board.
I personally like the fiction anons, but it sounds like they don't like us. If we had a philosophy board then we wouldn't annoy them anymore.

slow it down

>>18033657
Honestly, if it's just philosophy and fiction, it can go in both. Teachings and myths.

>>18033566
Curious, how were they organized?

>>18036650
Any good fiction book will have it's own philosophy, I'd be tragic to separate them.

>I assume (perhaps foolishly) that quite a few folks actually enjoy the posts challenging each other to ‘refute’ some illustration of a dead dude’s face
Even if I didn't read the dead dude, I sometimes enjoy reading other anons discuss it. The problem is just saying "refute him". Even if I did read that dead dude, and I do know/wish/can (these words are all too strong, but you get the point) refute him, I would not even enter the thread (we all know it's just going to end up being bait, and OP who maayyybeee wanted to hear some thoughts, will never come back to it).

The problem isn't fiction. It isn't philosophy nor religion. It's low-effort and bait posting.

face it, anons. what you really want is a heavily moderated sub-reddit

>>18032158
Anime threads are the only good threads.

>>18033566
rekindle your friendship anon

>>18037793
Depends if there is actual metaphysics involved. Myths and morality tales should probably stay in /lit/. Discussions of the Whiteheadian perspective on Divinity would move to /phl/.

>>18032183
>>18032427
good

>>18038268
How is morality not in phil?

>>18032265
This

>>18038268
/lit/ is the medium (books), /phl/ is the message.

There are plenty of movies, shows, comics that warrant a /phl/ discussion...but that’s not /lit/.

There are also many book threads (fiction or non-fiction) that focus on interesting themes and characters, discuss the authors other works, critique etc...but not all are /phl/.

In my opinion /lit/ (like /tv/, /a/, /mu/, /co/) is about people saying ‘I like this thing, anons, where can i find more?’. You might have shit taste, but it’s still subjective.
/phl/, seeking deeper truth, so it can often get into debates over right and wrong, and how to apply philosophy in practice.

Religion as story/myth: /lit/
Religion as truth/inspiration/morality: /phl/

>>18032158
Off topic threads should be deleted. simps should be beaten, stabbed, ran through, or shot to death. Simple as.

>>18032416
BASED

>tfw just insult anons in ways they have to have read the book to get
>tfw nonokoing retards and fucking off to read a book
You have no idea how many of you retards whine at me when you could have gone and read the book I told you about. Also, reminder to newfags that old /lit/ bullied the mods for not reading and therefore not understanding the thread they banned's legitimacy so hard that we had self moderation for a while. If you think you need mods it's because you haven't read enough to bully a pleb.

>>18032158
Diagnosis complete. Status: Terminal

>>18036697
>this post

>>18038795
Side benefit of splitting the board, anons (like me) who enjoy both classical /lit/ and /phl/ will have two boards to lurk and shitpost in!

It will also (hopefully) slow both the fuck down. Right now thoughtful threads die so fast, the only ones that get bumped are full of pepe/wojack memes and pseuds calling each other ‘based’.

Worst feeling:
>read interesting post on /lit/
>have something meaningful to contribute
>go to bookshelf to find reference, get exact quote
>type reply
>this thread has been archived
>save text in case anyone ever wants to discuss parallels between Scaramouch and Name of the Wind again..

>>18039052
>who enjoy both classical /lit/ and /phl/
wait is this happening? Fucking big if true.

Jannies need to be harsher. It doesn’t take a Mensa member to know what threads are fishing for non-book related discussion. Ideally most threads should have a book title or author in OP. Make a separate philosophy and religion board. Only allows those topics on lit if it’s about the literary aspects of them

>>18033566
Did people use tripcodes or did they just hope that only their partner responded?

>have more rules
>enforce rules
>ban this, ban that
>change things so I dont have to deal with what I dont like
Fuck Off Pussies
there are so many shitholes online for you to go to if you want MUH RULES
I cordially encourage you to remove yourself to such sites forthwith

>>18039147
4chan has always had rules and moderation. only newfag election immigrants think otherwise

>>18039147
Go to /b/ or /r9k/ since you don't read.

>>18039250
>4chan has always had rules
True

>and moderation
Lol

>>18037102
This. Been here since the board's creation. Anything valuable I could have got out of this place has already been extracted. Now it's just entertainment. Either enjoy the ride or leave. It's never been good and it will never get better.

>>18033624
interesting to see how many pajeets are on /lit/

build a wall and make /pol/ pay for it. sage all evola threads.

>>18039106
This, split philosophy and humanities from lit and his and make it a separate board

>>18039918
How do new boards get made, anyhow?

In b4:
>well, when two boards love each other very much...

>>18037102
This is absolutely true. In my experience, jannies have gotten very hands off on multiple boards I frequent. I honestly think there's a directive to ignore low-effort borderline spam in order to boost overall site activity, and given 4chan is more popular than ever, there doesn't seem to be any consequences. It's sad, but this site has never been more lowest-common denominator.

>>18038795
The only boards that get split are the ones that get traffic and revenue, videogames and watching videogames.face it, one cannot count on jannies or mods

>>18040472
They made a wrestling board, therefore you make new boards by putting fucking retards in charge.

>>18040527
Wait, do you mean to tell me there’s not money in the study and discussion of philosophy?

*looks at masters degree on wall*

I might have made a terrible mistake...

>>18032183
It's up to mods to enforce rules. Telling people not to respond is pointless. I respond sometimes just as a reaction. Bait is effective.

>>18037102
Fair points anon. I would add that there is an immense benefit in scanning lit for recs. Where else are you going to hear about Darconville's Cat, outside of maybe a handful of lit classes in the US and UK at any given time of year?

>>18039052
Hey anon, i’ll talk about Scaramouche with you...

>>18039489
I second this. Flags and ID's would be great.

Bump

>>18033655
Are you literate in German? Didn't think so, gtfo

>>18032158
Ban the butterfly tranny.
Oh dear I hate these threads with muh great old /lit/ the most and I haven't gotten tired of reposting this video yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDrz2LGMVwA
I get the feeling that OP is posting the same thread every 3-4 months with the same answers.

>>18037102
Good post, anon.

>>18037859
>>18039147
This. These faggots should simply open anew literature subreddit, advertise it here and fuck off.

>>18037808
Seconded. I would participate if anyone wants a penpal.

>>18038505
It is /phl/ if you can derive your morality from metaphysics, or prove the utility of a given morality using logic. Otherwise it's /lit/.

>>18032158
unironically get pewds to explicitly shout /lit/ out on youtube. it's time for the zoomers to repopulate this board.

>>18039079
Different anon here. I mostly come to /lit/ for philosophy, but I do enjoy short stories. If the board split I would still take part in Lovecraft threads, for example.

>>18039133
I'd like to know this too. Wouldn't want to put your actual address on 4chan.

>>18039489
A lot of pajeets are multilingual, so probably have a unique perspective on /lit/erature.

>>18042338
I think the threat of ye ol anon is overblown. I've revealed myself several times and never had an issue but there's not a lot to dox. I don't care about social media.
I've been here a long time too, but I've got to agree with the other oldies. When you try to rely on the team to control traffic I just get overly frustrated with it but when I'm in chill mode just lurking and enjoying the ride things are a lot better.
That said if you like a thread, reply to it. Give it that bump it needs.

>>18042361
A lot of pajeets migrated from /biz/

>>18038264
This. I have let a lot of people go and now regret it.

>>18039335
What was early /lit/ like? Was there less shitposting or was it just higher effort? Did anyone actually benefit irl from having been here?

>>18042279
>zoomers
https://youtu.be/_UsXKSQr64s

>>18042542
>i don't want a lot for christmas
Ok, that one's solid.

It's still not as bad here as it could be. /His/ has gone to complete and utter shit, because of lack of moderation some time ago. Haven't visited it in years, but it became so hollow over time with nonsensical discussions and disguised /pol/ + /int/ sensibilities. What a waste really. Reddit is honestly a better forum if you can find the right subreddit.
>Inb4 yh2gb lelele epic four-tsjén kultjur!!11

>>18032183
Jezebel posts are usually the worst.

>>18042542
zoomers are gonna cringe so hard in 5-10 years when looking back.

>>18042542
i hate my life bros

/tv/god here, just embrace it

>>18032158
>How do we fix /lit
Force every posters to post either a Jezebel, a pepe or a book cover.
I will be hated for this post, yet I am right.

Philosophy general containment thread. The rest of /lit/ will then be allowed to flourish with discussion of literature and poetry

>>18042676
>>18042675

>>18032158
/lit/ has always been shitty in some way or another but I will admit that the there are a lot more stupid, meme-y, low-effort replies than there used to be

>>18042687
Has one 4chan board ever just raided another one?
>Sorry /po/, you’ve only got a few posters a day and /lit/ really needs an overflow. So you’re Philosophy&Ontology now...start learning how to oragami me a Nietzsche moustache!

>>18033707
This this this.

>>18039051
>He ignores /wg/ and /sffg/

>>18033707
>>18043004
>reeee stop mentioning jews!
no

>>18043202
Go to /pol/ for that shit.

Guys........I think it's time.........I think we have to actually start reading books.......

>>18043231
You can read all you want, but it won't filter out the problem people who didn't read and just want to shitpost. The only way to actually enforce reading would be to have a parallel project like a discord server where you read together.

Bump

Two hours is all it takes for this thread to be at page 9 while pic related is going strong. /lit/ is fucked and we all deserve it.

>>18043960
there are no Nick Land, Nietzche, or Stirner threads up. That's all I know about, I can't post anything approaching quality anywhere else. I'm sorry.

>>18042479
Less shitposting, more pseudposting and a whole lot of e-drama surrounding a bunch of tripfags and their mini cults of sycophants. All I got was a lot of good book recommendations and a bunch of time wasted which, in terms of value, makes it not so different from now.

>>18042657
You are the cancer

>>18043983
If you're knowledgeable on Land, surely you can contribute to a D&G discussion.

>>18044635
I mean if it pertains to D&R or AO I can.

>>18044009
Is it really that much worse then? Or are people just nostalgic for what it was?

>>18044635
>>18044676
>Land
>D&G
>D&R
This actually applies to the subject of the thread. Think of /lit/ as a rhizome. Philfags could save /lit/, not by leaving, but by creating the hyperstition that reterritorializes the board. The culture of the oldfags may be gone, but a new one can be forged from the greater multiplicity now available. First, it would have to reach meltdown though, which could be facilitated by this >>18042279 suggestion.

>>18043231

>>18042279
the coup de grace so i can finally leave please make it happen

>>18045122
lol that might actually work. I'm nowhere near smart enough to pull that kind of thing off though xD

>>18044923
It's worse in that even fewer people demonstrably read and politics has completely taken over but it was never good in the first place so yes, nostalgia is the overwhelming factor here.

>>18034245
>it’s dead already
I-I’m making another one

>>18045807
Don’t. Stop shitting up the catalog with useless generals.

yes, i hate this place. i come back to remember why i hate it. is there any decent alternative?

>>18045813
Okay :(

>>18032158
As an old /lit/ fag, I can assure you that it was never that good. It was on its way out all the way back in 2015 honestly with the same five threads being regurgitated endlessly. Now it's just in its death knells wherein there's nothing that can be done for it. The brain drain that hit this site in toto for the past half decade has ruined all of its boards. 4chan may not have always been good, but it was never boring. It is now remarkably so. Could be a ton of things that happened to make it this way, but personally I still blame moot for not leaving /pol/ nuked.

>>18032183
>don't engage with curious /pol/ retards who browse because they think they're into literature because they read Starship Troopers and Mein Kampf once. Ignore their replies and force them to fuck off back to /pol/

you forgot this immeasurably crucial step. As soon as /pol/acks invade, the board dies. This is a uniform law of this website and has been true for literally every board that it's happened in.

>>18037102
then why did it used to be better even with no mods then?

>>18041097
Flags ruined /sp/. They will ruin /lit/ too. The anglo-latin wars are already cringe as it is.

Increase the cooldown time from 1 minute to 3 minutes. Increase character capacity.

>>18041097
Flags only benefit countries with large number of posters, like the US, UK or Australia. Posters from smaller countries lose their anonymity. Vide /sp/ for evidence.

>>18032158
QTDDTOT, if it were adhered to, would suffice. Insta-pruning Jezebel pic OPs would be a good starting point

>>18042542
damn that's sad

Changing the culture of /lit/ isn‘t a solvable problem, fixing the speed just might be. This is supposed to be a slow, thoughtful board, it works best that way. What can we do to slow it back down?

>1. Split the board into /lit/ and /phl/
>2. Enforce rules about off-topic new threads
>3. Increase cooldown
>4. Increase page count (is that even possible?)

Anything I missed?

>>18032183
This.

>>18033634
The animeposters are the ones that are destroying this board. /lit/ isn't about anime and so crossposters should be banned if /lit/ is to be saved.

>>18046451
You should only be able to make one post every 10 minutes.

>>18033624
>>18039489
>>18041097
>>18033611
This would ruin /lit/ even more. It shouldn't matter if a poster is Indian or not. An imageboard in it's true sense should be anonymous and flags and IDs takes away from that. It will just result in more bait and /lit/ will become a complete dump. But I don't really care anymore since it's already shit.

>>18032158
we send shills to labour camps

>>18043202
based jew hater, lack of antisemitism creates weak minds and souls

>>18033634
>>18032183
This board has gone disgustingly downhill from even a few months ago. Is this a result of covid? Right now there are a few anime threads, some reddit threads, a lot of "is X /lit/?" and bait threads, so many "/lit/ humor" threads.....
Very little actual literature discussion....
>>18036650
This is a stupid idea. The philosophy filters a lot of people IMO. Also without the themes of philosophy or religion, the board turns into goodreads or something. "oh you're reading that book? cool. me too!"

>>18036650
>but they can also be an all-consuming cesspool of evangelists and a quagmire of circular argumentation.
Are you the faggot who got destroyed by the Feser-chad in the other thread? Lol. Cope harder.

>>18046663
I’m >>18036650, and I have no idea what you’re talking about.
That being said, if you think a /lit/ board is a place where anons should be getting ‘destroyed’ by ‘Feser-chads’ you’re def part of the problem.

>>18045980
As the person who made the last /crg/ thread, I don't think it's going to work out as a general. I looked up the past /crg/ threads and they have an average of around 19 replies. Not enough to really justify having a thread just for that.

>>18045485
No one is smart enough to do it alone. We would all have to work together.
Hegelians study warosu as a dialectic of board history. Analytics remove ambiguity from thread premises. Existentialists explore the potential in the board's self creation. Accelerationists wage K-war by memetic horrorism. Lacanians analyze the shit out of shitposters.
Not only would it be hilarious for fictionfags to have their board saved by the people they complain about, but it would also be a very interesting experiment in praxis/antipraxis.

Rangeban the Anglosphere, except Ireland.

>>18032158
Gas all evolafags

>>18047150
Evolafags are fine if they're into yoga. Evolafags who haven't read Evola are the problem.

>>18046547
both of these

>>18047155
>Evolafags who haven't read Evola are the problem.
That's every evolafag

>>18046547
Flags lead to a lot of shitposting about people's respective nations. IDs, on the other hand, are very helpful. On a board with IDs you can filter someone and not have to see them again for the rest of the thread.

>>18032158
>It is a shadow of its former self
Shadows don't have shadows.

>>18032265
Based

>>18032357
Some anarcho-lib trannies from leftypol unironically bought into the ”Pepe is fascism” hysteria during the 2016 election. I’m not kidding.

>>18033762
As an old fag here from day one (now I only occasionally drop in) /lit/ is nothing like it used to be

>>18037832
>>18046645
You can still discuss the philosophy of a book if there's a philosophy board, all that would happen would be that philosophy threads that aren't about specific books would get moved to /phil/. Not to mention philosophy has an even lower barrier to entry than literature. Most people who post those free will threads have only skimmed a Wiki article.

>>18047136
Alright, let's do it.

/lit/ is ungovernable. It's at the mercy of time and popular trends. For things to reborn, there's a need for a Great Man, but no such thing exists in anonymity and tripfags are incredibly gay.

You can't change /lit/ you can just observe it and participate. Take it or leave it.

>>18048018
it's because frogposters are the worst shitposters

>>18032158
/lit/ aint too bad boys

t. former /his/ poster

>>18048697
New thread: >>18049228

It could always be worse; at least the Islamist spam from a few weeks ago is gone

>>18047900
IDs will lead to the poster getting an identity in the thread, which isn't a big deal for a fast board like /pol/. However, it's bad for a slow board like /lit/, since it will lead to the poster having to be consistent with their previous posts. This in turn leads to people being less willing to change their mind or express different opinions and experiment with opinions. So IDs lead to posters being more performative and it goes against what makes imageboards great: you can experiment with different POVs and people judge you for that one post, not your "thread identity".

>>18049239
Get in here and build the /lit/ cult.

>>18032513
The only way to fix 4chan was to leave years and years ago and find another community before everything got devoured by social media shittery and the fucking zoomers came in. Right now it's like trying to find a drink in a sea of sewage. Wherever zoomers are the environment is fucked.

bump

>>18049820
>>18049239
>>/lit/thread/S18049228#p18049228
try as they might we shall not be supressed

a conflict of visions between ADHD shitposters and pseud effortposters. these two /lit/'s cannot coexist

>>18050006
nothing wrong with us zoomers senpai

/lit/ can't go back to the way it was because it would mainly have to go back to the olde days when it wasn't so popular.

Sure, it's not /v/ popular or anything, but the "/lit/ is a slow board" bit in the sticky? /lit/ used to be glacial. The board was one of the slowest but at least it was filled with people who cared and generally read a lot, not all the bullshit that's here now.

Now there's a lot of casuals because /lit/ developed a reputation as "the smart board", or people think /fit lit/ was a cool thing.

Paradoxically, /lit/ was also better before the /his/ split, a move which empowered all the haplo autists that now infest the later and took away what good historical discussion used to exist here.

Leftism is a pestilence, ruining everything in its wake.

Politics obsessed FREAKS are a pestilence, ruining everything in their wake.

>>18032158
by inviting old clever posters back or raising the level of discourse so that clever people would desire to participate

i think back to what /lit/ used to be and cringe

>>18042165
>/lit/ simulator
>posts from 2012
I'm in in tears of joy and misery

Ban meta-threads

>>18037533
Yes

>>18046645
>This board has gone disgustingly downhill from even a few months ago.
No, you’re fucking delusional

>>18053409
you have to go back

>>18053396
https://youtu.be/jPri7E4fejI

>>18053409
No, he's right, or are you triggered because you're one of the recent arrivals?

>>18032158
I don't browse /lit/ regularly but I remember it being pretty shit with much the same problems as appears to have now. When has it been substantially different to what it was originally and what it is today?

>>18054249
/lit/ has been exactly the same since it was created. I don’t know why anons waste so much energy complaining about a constant decline that has no existence outside their distorted perception.

>>18054344

>>18045996
>personally I still blame moot for not leaving /pol/ nuked.
Its the original sin but I would also blame spinning off a bunch of boards from /r9k/. Once advice threads and camwhores weren't sucking up so much oxygen it gave the retards too much room to breathe

>>18054375
I take it you’ve been here for a whole two years!

>>18054418
Being here for more than that would mean your life is very sad and empty

>>18054442
Its all ahead of you bud. Once your here that long there's no escape.

>>18054487
Fair enough, I tend to be here for a week or so every few months before it drives me insane. But it does seem to be getting worse every time. Or maybe I'm just growing up.

>>18054507
It will keep getting worse but you will keep coming back sadly.

has BUTTERFLY's tripcode been RAKED? has the day of the rake fulfilled the prophecy?

Are there any boards on 4chan that have actually gotten better with time or do they all get only get shittier?

>>18032265
what the fuck do you want to discuss
harry potter?

>>18055436
>what the fuck do you want to discuss
Um...literature?

>>18032158
You've obviously never been through the lit cycle before

>>18032183
Anime website

>>18032277
>>18037533
Cool it with the anti semetic remarks

>>18055655
Make a thread :)

>>18055686
What is the /lit/ cycle, o wise oldfag?

>>18055969
Endless summer (now endless covid) brings new posters. New posters make shitty threads, either contrived variations from their home board or unaware of board culture because they are from other websites. Oldfags see this, they stop posting and go read books and go outside. /lit/ is full of mostly newfag shitposters, larping as nazis, nuns, or "philosophers": Newfags get bored because the oldfags stop falling for the bait. Newfags leave, some of them actually get memed into reading books. Things die down. Oldfags come back to see the burning rubble of /lit/. They start making general threads and threads about actual books, spending time to write effort posts and engaging with each other. Things become good. Things become too good and endless summer brings fresh posters to reap and sow upon the sincere oldfags and the cycle continues.

>>18042165
>muh great old /lit/
You hate old lit because it was full of trip users and banned Ayn Rand. Which is why it was pretty great.

>>18054249
No, “a few months” is ridiculous and you both know it; it’s obviously an over-the-top description of what he thinks is a huge problem.
You’re telling me /lit/ was an internet haven for literature discussion, unrecognizable from what it is right now in October of 2020?
Do you really miss when there were still two or three people that hadn’t caught on that Gardiner was posting himself? Or being able to count on the cover of White Fragility being in the catalogue with 100% certainty?

>>18037533
There were always religious anons and some anons who were just into bible studies academically but it’s only the past eighteen months or so people have been accusing them of being lying about being religious for whatever reasons. But it’s effectively doubles the amount of posts about religion since anything posted on the subject draws a response about tradlarpers or whatever

>>18056004
Interesting. Kind of like the eternal September that old Usenet people like Moldbug talk about? How long does it usually take the low-effort posters to get bored and leave?

>>18037533
On /lit/ since 2009; your post encompasses the core of my experience here. Well said.

>>18056409
No, but that doesn't meant it hasn't gotten far worse recently.

>>18037102
you are saying multiculturalism ends in anarchy or tyranny

report people left and right

>>18032183
fpbp

>>18032158
only allow theology threads and theology textbooks

>>18032265
Philosophy is literature you faggot

>>18033634
Anime is alright but vtubers make me seethe

>>18032416
The bests have already, by and large left. This is not the same board I used to browse five years ago. Been lurking the past week or so and it's hardly recognizable. The quality and selection of literature has decreased tremendously, it's full of pseudo-intellectual /pol/acks who would've been mocked and driven out years prior, and there's no meaningful, informed debate to be found in 90% of all threads, just strawmen and ad hominem jabs instead of actual rhetoric and discourse.

RIP /lit/, I can't believe you were good once.

>>18032357
Do people still post this pepe? I remember when this was the only pepe image anyone posted at all. Now there's thousands upon thousands of pepes in every conceivable context. Feels like so long ago now. Then again, that was also a time in which people unironically posted Troll face and then "Troll face 2", so maybe its all rose-tented goggles.

>>18042888
>Philosophy&Ontology
this isn't /lit/ to begin with

>>18032158
We need to stop larping as Christians. That joke isn’t funny anymore and kills sincere discussion of postmodernist ideas.

>>18061470
>five years ago.
holy shit go back

>>18032416
Hostility towards shitposters only encourages them. You should know not to respond to bait but you don't. You can't fight back.