/lit/ - Literature

No

>>18024109
I have no thoughts, I'm a thoughtless person.

Absolutely 100% agree
Especially for books that (((they))) might try to ban.
They can’t ban a physical book you already have but they can sure as hell ban ebooks and even remotely nuke your ereader for reading wrong think

The one and only real redpill that would solve all our neuroses. The loss of consciousness and the illusion of free will by returning to Monke.

If you care about shit like this you're an idiot. I prefer reading physical books. There's nothing wrong with reading on E-readers if that's what works for you. Just fucking read.

>>18024129
>duh joooes
Anti Semite piece of shit

>>18024134
What is neurosis actually?

>>18024109
e-readers are the ultimate pleb filter. the eternal pseud has to make it clear to everyone that he's a reader and to that end he amasses tons of unread books. with e-reader the only way you can prove to other people you've read the book is by telling them clearly about its content

>>18024109
I always prefer a softcover over e-book anyday.

>>18024129
then get a proper ebook reader that doesn't glow in the dark

>>18024134
Based and Ted K pilled

>>18024151
>the eternal pseud has to make it clear to everyone that he's a reader and to that end he amasses tons of unread books
This is why /stack/ threads need to be banned

>>18024109
I never left "tradition"

>>18024109
>big publishing jews are astroturfing on /lit/ again
Back to plebbit, consooomer

>>18024140
post nose

>>18024151
e-fags amasss gigabytes upon gigabytes of pirated unread books. it's even worse because they're easier to get.

>>18024109
Book buying is wasteful consoomer shit when you can have all your books on hand in one place and takes up no room. A shelf full of books might as well be a shelf full of funko pops.

>>18024109
>keep every book ive ever read, and for free, in the palm of my hand that i can bring with me at a moment's notice across the planet
>lug a bunch of chunky books i spent a small fortune on that im mostly never going to open again with me any time i want to move and have to pay for storage if i want to not be nailed down to my material possessions
the choice is obvious

>>18024346
Based nomad anon

>>18024191
They'd be replaced by e-book folder threads

>>18024362
No, there's a reason why we never see those. Aesthetics is pretty much the only thing physical books have going for them.

>>18024381
Higher rentention as well.

>>18024109
*ereaders and book*
>Reject Modernity
*audio books*
>RETVRN TO TRADITION

Why is this an either/or choice? Both have their advantages.

>>18024408
>>18024346
this. audobooks are the most traditional, going to a library is the second most traditional, ereaders are the third most traditional, and physical books are the least traditional out of all options. sorry buckos there's nothing strictly traditional about owning your own personal library. even cicero would go to one of his librarian friend's houses when he wanted to read anything

>>18024129
>remotely nuke your ereader for reading wrong think

Not if you set up the ereader properly

But OP's pic shows Kindles so maybe that's the setup that OP meant

>>18024129
>They can’t ban a physical book you already have but they can sure as hell ban ebooks and even remotely nuke your ereader for reading wrong think
What fucking kind of ereader do you use??

>>18024129
please tell me how they are going to do anything to my e reader thats been offline since 2017

>>18024109
>I like the smell of a physical book

>>18024109
eReading is for faggots

>>18024109
How does one characterize audiobooks? Obviously they require modern technology, but they mark the return of popular oral storytelling

>>18024109
>+80% of market share returned to physical books by 2010
It's already happened. E-readers and e-books were a fad. The only people still using them are people who don't have the space for a large collection of books and the handful of people who simply prefer the digital options, and those people are *still* purchasing some books physically.

>>18024134
>illusion of free will
If you actually believed in determinism how could you possibly suffer at all? How could the concept of a "redpill" even exist? You wouldn't even care that other people haven't realized determinism is truth, if you actually understood the ramifications of determinism and actually believed it is truth.
This isn't any different than claiming to be a nihilist but somehow being hopeless. You don't even understand the thing you claim to be truth.

>>18024342
>physical storage of knowledge is equivalent to buying chinese plastic figurines
Just buy used if it's that big a deal

>>18024388
Is this a meme or actually true?

>>18024413
How do you decide which genres to get in which format

>>18024567
physical books is for faggots as well

>>18024619
>Just buy used if it's that big a deal
if you unironically missed the point this hard, then it seems like your vast trove of stored knowledge hasn't done you much good.

>>18024129
/thread
fuck this technocratic society

>>18024109
I don't like E-books because I can't look at them on my shelf and flip through them. Swiping just doesn't feel right

ive bought (and returned) 5 ebooks
they're just uncomfortable, and I simply prefer books.
ebooks don't have any advantages

>>18024109
just read retard. who cares how as long as it works for you.

>>18024342
You're not entirely wrong, but you can take the logic of your argument to successfully state that collecting literally anything is just an act of complicated hoarding and consumerism, including keeping digital information, when digital storage takes numerous resources to create and deliver to you in the first place. A fact that doesn't change even if you steal the storage and pirate the information - there's a massive pit somewhere in the Earth we've dug up the precious metals from to create the machines which are used to press silicon, etc. etc. etc.
Why not just run this to the natural conclusion and begin by stating desire itself is intrinsically an act of vanity?
You'll likely reject that because you're already saying some desire is justified under the right circumstance, and circle back to the idea that some things are actually valuable and owning them or experiencing them is important enough to either justify the vanity or to claim it's not vane at all. You will determine this, inevitably, by entirely arbitrary qualifications (like, "my vapid consumer bullshit doesn't take up as much room as yours and I can access it more conveniently, therefore it's superior vapid consumer bullshit!") At which point you'll be forced to retract further, admit that what's important to an individual is ultimately justified through arbitrary means and that it's pointless to try to argue that your arbitrary properties are anymore fundamental than anyone else's.
Either that, or you'll forced to admit you're a self-absorbed shitter with bad opinions, or you'll do the absolutely asinine bullshit of trying to argue your simplistic, vapid qualifications are somehow fundamental.

There's a process in intellectual maturity you need to go through where you realize that your ideas aren't worth sharing yet, especially with such strong language as to imply they are good ideas.

Now, hit me with some bullshit about how I must obviously own a funko pop or a large collection of books (neither is the case).

>>18024618
Free will doesn't exist, but that doesn't mean we live in a cartoonish determinate way, strawman anon.

Both sides of this argument are autistic and distract from reading itself. I like buying books at cool used book stores. U find shit u weren't looking for and meet cool people. I use my kindle for reading in bed and on the bus and when I'd like to use the dictionary function. Literally just read and stop being a faggot. The constant kindle threads on this forum are just copes cause most of the people here grew up with technology and video games and need to constantly relate everything to tech

>>18024723
>free will doesnt exist
Setting aside that not only is there absolutely no evidence to support this claim but that the arguments for it are fundamentally, logically flawed
>doesnt mean we live in a cartoonish determinate way
Again, you have no idea what the implications of determinism actually are, the same way immature people think nihilism must necessarily lead to some existential crisis. If you actually understood these ideas, you'd realize the entire reason why determinism is so attractive as a possibility is precisely because it means freedom from suffering.

>there is only modernity and tradition
god i hate these brainlets so fucking much

>>18024109
who fucking cares just read on whatever the place who think it is better

>>18024342
Was the picture supposed to mean anything. I don't see how collecting books is any worse than collecting watches.

>>18024627
100% meme

>>18024342
That can’t be a real hand kek

>>18024109
No fuck off, all the ebooks I download for free would have cost $$$$, also all the space they need, I'm a Europoor and do not live in a housing bubble like Amitards.

>>18024109
You only buy physical books for collecting or for reference.
There is literally no need to hoard widely read classics like Moby Dick when you can easily find them at your local library--even at your local community college if there is no library near you.

>>18024748
There is no scientific evidence for free-will, christ cuck. In fact, all the evidence suggests to the contrary. You can argue with your gay philosophy, but that is word games, meaningless. Science, on the other hand, is real.

>>18025205

I like the feel of a real book. I like not having something that I can check twatter or my portfolio on, less distractions.

>>18024109
all surface level aesthetics for those with no self identity and a need for validation
I read for the content
if no one in the world knew that, how or what I read I would still read

>>18024140
Thanks for reminding that poster of his "anti-semitism", Jew. He totally didn't know what he was saying and within his moral framework an anti-semite is totally a bad thing to be. Oh wait, no, you just made us hate you self-righteous twats so much more.

>>18024109
OP is a nerd

Beyond the asthetics of having physical books, what's wrong with pirating books on a tablet as big as a paperback allowing you unprecedented access to knowledge?

You can also add in a notebook for notes.

I am thinking of going the digital way so I can read the greeks and the other books chartered on the /lit/'s wiki without the hurdles of book availability and budget.

Why. The. Fuck. Not?

>>18025862
no u

>>18024342
I agree, but that's a good thing.
For most of human history books were high quality pieces of craftsmanship in themselves.
The rise of digital pdfs has made the entire modern model of bookselling-- ie. funding worthless authors in hopes that one gets big while printing out industrial quantities of cheap crap that's marked up 400%-- has been made superfluous.
In the future people will own libraries as status symbols, and books will cost thousands of dollars and contain fine prints and precious stones embedded in the cover.

>>18026189
In the future people won’t read at all

All fiction books should be stored online and only online.

>>18025933
>Why. The. Fuck. Not?
You already called it, it's just people being pseuds. It's a handy filter to be aware of though when you talk to people about these things.

People who buy books as their first choice format are consumerist bougie retards. I would only buy a physical book if has no digital version. People jack themselves off about using them as "decoration" or a status symbol or even the classic "I love the feel of the pages". It's all such a massive cope for consumerist tendencies. At least people who collect funko pops or lightsabers dont delude themselves into thinking it somehow makes them smarter or aristocratic. It's about consumerism first, content of the book second for these people

>>18026231
Unlikely. Literacy is at an all time high, thanks to social media. Its very rare to meet someone who cant read and write because it is such an inherent part of day to day life.

>>18024129
an e-reader is the best thing in the world for samizdat. you can fit a terabyte of banned books in your pocket and copy them at a moments notice.

>>18024109
Average e-reader will last 6-8 years. A well bound book will last centuries. Physical books preserve information much better, act as insurance against technological decline and collapse.

>>18024140
Enjoy your boring leftist books

>>18024109
OP here, I'm a tranny BTW.

>>18024109
Trying to force medieval english on people is why the west is failing

>>18026411
wat my 4th gen iphone lasted longer than that, and it only broke because i dropped it down a flight of stairs a couple months ago. e-ink screens don't use power unless they're changing and have much longer battery life meaning the battery takes longer to wear out. also moving my books from one ereader to the next is trivial, it literally just involves boxing and dragging all of my book files into another ereader, just like i would move files from my usb to my computer

>>18026454
English should adopt pictographs in the manner that Japanese people use kanji.
It's a lot more elegant and refined, and takes far less space. Pictographs wouldn't make sense for most European languages, but English being almost entirely analytical it would be easy to swap words with symbols without losing any contextual meaning or inflection.

>>18026386
>e- reader
>terabyte

what?

>>18026411
friend, are you aware that it is possible to copy the books off an e-reader once it starts to break down?

>>18024720
shut the f uck up nerd

>>18026489

Fair enough, e-readers are probably practically superior in normal circumstances; but they take much more infrastructure to maintain than a physical library so are inferior post-decline.

>>18026533
inferior method

>>18026523

>>18026523
how on earth are you planning to fill a terabyte card with ebooks? even 16gb would be enough for all the books one person can read in their lifetime

>>18026655
inferior to having to move hundreds of books physically?

>>18026699
>inferior to having to move hundreds of books physically?
Yes. The half-life of books is several orders of magnitude that that of e-readers. There is no substitute for a well-stocked library in a dry location.

>>18026726
wow, you are truly the most stupid person I talked to today :)

>>18026699
In a situation in which there are no more readily available e-readers, yes. Otherwise no.

Who else here /pile/?

>>18026792
buy a shelf

>>18026816
No

>>18026370
I meant read actual books

>>18026370
I meant read actual books

>>18024109
>Uses the cringe latin V
>Not writing in Greek

go back

>>18026792
What happened to that one anon with a huge pile of his books in room? I think the floor was struggling under the weight and he lived in fear of getting crushed daily

>>18024342
>A shelf full of books might as well be a shelf full of funko pops

Looking at screen bad for eyes, looking at paper good and easy. No need for electricity to power book.

>>18025178
It's two dicks

Screens hurt my eyes

>>18024627
It's been proven to be true.
>>18025138
cope

>>18026918
>>18027021
>screen
You aren't going to get a big difference between printed paper and electronic paper. It's both passively lit contrasting pigments

I don't feel like I'm reading if I'm reading on a screen and of course I like when people eye my bookshelf

>>18027030
Nope you’re wrong

>>18024109
I still have an ereader that I use for on the go stuff but used physical copies are cheap and I find they motivate me to read more. I also like cultivating a small personal library as something I could pass down to my kids someday.

This thread is so retarded; it literally doesn’t matter.

>>18024720
Based

I hate stupid, LARPing Zoomies. Their entire worlds and personae are frauds.

I probably own around 1000 physical books (some of which were of print decades before e-readers became a thing). I enjoy sitting in a room filled with books and reading...just being around books is a relaxing thing for me.

If you want to just have an e-reader because you're worried about clutter, all power to you. I get it: they're handy and you can carry a tonne of content around with you. However, I enjoy even just selecting a few books at a time when necessary...it's nice to take them on a trip and have them as a physical reminder of that trip later.

(Also, going out to bookstores and hunting for specific books is also a fun hobby. I've spent years hunting for specific books and the feeling when you finally find one is just great--personally, it even enhances my reading experience.

>>18024109
I do all my reading on an android tablet with a dark theme. I can't go back to not having a backlit reading medium, and I am NEVER paying for a book lmao.

>>18029090
So you can't even use OLED or micro LED?

I download free epubs and read everything on my phone anytime anywhere (usually pic rel)

>>18029090
Do you exclusively read pop fiction? Because 90% of the books I wanna read are not available as pdfs

>>18024134
>>18024175
t. didn't read ted

>>18029116
Like what

>>18024720
counterpoint: a kindle doesn't cost that much money while a giant library does. you are devoting more time and resources to hoisting a physical collection compared to a digital one. therefore digital IS less vain because there is far less effort involved to reaching your desired consumption amount.

>>18024109
Yes

>>18024109
Is that bottom image from that one thread about a guy who showed off his priest's /lit/ library?

>>18024555
this but without irony

A single book weighs over a pound on average. A full library would be well over a ton in books alone. I don't need all that wood pulp in my life.

>>18024109
It's just a medium, anon. Content is what matters. I've also lived through a time when I had to lug around multiple tomes for my studies. I'll take the digital versions, thanks.

Read/Listen to garbage throwaway books through online libraries and torrents.

Buy based books in Hardcover edition and keep them with you for life.

>>18031015
But it's easier to keep digital books with you for life.

>>18024140
there is no such thing as anti semitism

/lit/erati that use both, which genres do you read in ebook and which in physical form? I’m thinking it’s better to read fiction on ereaders

>>18024109
Both.
Get your normie books on (((Kindle))) and your hot spicy books physical before you get the lynch mob assembled after you

>>18024346
you idiot. they are literally censoring and removing books out your elibrary. its the only way to protect your content from the goblins who censor.

>>18031298
I know this is /lit/, not /g/, but this level of technological incompetence is truly staggering.

My ebook reader has never in its lifetime been connected to the internet. Not once. All my books are backed up (and encrypted) on my NAS. Explain how the goblins would be able to censor anything in my collection.

>>18031335
Think he’s joking

>>18031489
Fair enough. Still, this particular point is something I'm seeing again and again in these threads.

>>18031503
E.g., here:
>>18031191

>>18031510
I think this place just attracts extremely paranoid individuals

>>18024140
Jew

>>18031489
Amazon once deleted 1984 and Animal Farm from Kindles in 2009 when it turned out the publisher didn't have the rights.
It hasn't happened since and would mainly apply to books sold in their shop on devices that are connected to the internet.

>>18031862
> It hasn't happened since and would mainly apply to books sold in their shop on devices that are connected to the internet.
Exactly. No one's saying keeping your stuff on cloud-connected devices isn't a gamble, but luddites here always argue as if that applies to all ereaders.

>>18031862
>Amazon once deleted 1984 and Animal Farm from Kindle
Based.

Fu*k literacy all my homies got to Church and have priest read Bible to them

>>18031862
Just get a cheap e-reader and don’t connect it to the internet

>>18025543
even though you are right you write like a faggot

i convert everything to plaintext markup and use vimwiki to read. i have a script that takes endnotes, creates separate files as part of the wiki and links them to the on-page reference so i can just bring up a new window with any endnotes.

>>18024151
>>18024191
I never buy a book I don't plan on reading. Anyone who does is a worthless consumer

>>18032361
I didn’t understand a word of this

>>18024109
What an absolute non-issue. Read books when you feel like reading books, read pdf files and epubs when they're available or you prefer reading them. This stuff is on the level of xbox vs playstation.

E-reader
>I can grab whatever I want and sideload on in no time
Thank you based russians
>give zero shits about storage or size of book
>smaller and more portable, lighter and thinner too so I can comfortably hold it for long periods of time without issue
My e-reader is even lighter than my phone.
>can read in the dark comfortably or when laying down in bed and don't have to position myself to turn pages
>on-demand dictionaries, auto-translate tools, and easy to use footnote navigation

>>18024129
This is one of the strongest arguments for digital though, 10x easier to find whatever you want and it's probably hosted on a foreign server anyways and thus safe from a potential banning.
>but what if a magical super emp wipes out every electronic device ever and society collapses back go the medieval era
Then I'd be more worried about having several thousand rounds of ammo and several hundred pounds of food stored, not poetry collections or hegel.

>>18033769
>Then I'd be more worried about having several thousand rounds of ammo and several hundred pounds of food stored, not poetry collections or hegel.
kek

>>18029176
>counterpoint
>didn't counter point
Completely missing the fact that the essence of your vapid opinion was addressed in the post you're replying to is embarrassing

>>18024109
the printing press and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>18034238
Civilisation and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>18024109
I'm not supposed to look at the symbols at the paper or I'll be possessed

>>18024109

It seems like it makes sense but then you put it into perspective that people 50 years from now will be praising kindles and saying those young Yawhoomers using smart glasses to read are ruining literature

>>18024342
based for how hard you made >>18024720
seethe

>>18033769
>Then I'd be more worried about having several thousand rounds of ammo and several hundred pounds of food stored, not poetry collections or hegel.
And that is why you are never going to make it.

>>18026370
I think he meant 'actual' (In the Lewis, D., sort of sense) books.

>>18024342
What is going on with this goblin's arm

>>18024129
I don't agree with the antisemtic conspiracy you present and I think its stupid and hateful and baseless.

But, I partially agree with you in the sense that keeping physical books is better than electronic copies because elites could delist or ban books they disagree with. With physical books, if you old on to them, the elites can't touch them

>>18024342
I like seeing books in my room. It makes me feel smart and empowered in the sense that I can do other things than stare a a scree all day.

For me books where always a break form a screen

>>18024627
Its true

>>18024134
>The loss of consciousness
Fuck off, what’s the point of doing anything unconscious, might as well just die.

>>18035563
I’ve seen studies that suggest it isn’t true. So present me your evidence

If I want to read something for free to kill time, I do tablet with downloads from libgen. If I actually want to understand what I read or enjoy it, I get a used copy off of Amazon. Real books are comfy and I can focus more.

>>18024342
Nice watch anon, here is mine

>>18024109
E-books are too close in proximity to other less fulfilling but dopamine producing activities. With a book you only have the book. You cant switch tabs to porn or /lit/. The physical act of turin I g pages gives you a more clear sense of progress reading the book and encourages you to go on.

>>18024109
Just read the books

>>18036211
I'd be rather impressed to see someone jacking off to porn using a Paperwhite

>>18024342
That arm is the shape of a bar bell

>>18024134
Monke not enough. Return to Lobster.
https://youtu.be/x6xO5zWIgvM