/lit/ - Literature

>>18008250
Do Choose your own adventures still exist?

>>18008227
I just took a look at one of those "casting" threads and wow theyre pretty race-ist, just in the other direction as you've said

>Shallan is a mix of irish (Red hair, pale skin, freckles) and asian (epicanthic fold) tho.
>Response: The red hair and pale skin isn't what makes someone look like a race. The facial structure/eyes is way more important. A lot of Asian girls have dyed hair but you would never confuse them for being white.


So it would be okay for an asian girl with a red wig but not a natural redhead white girl to play Shallan. Also no one in my family has eyefolds (southern China, Canton) so I always found it weird when people say "theyre asian cause of their eyes!!". I know my family is a bit atypical though

Why was Bloodline such a disappointment?

>>18008281
yeah they are just being hypocrites, Like i see people getting mad over people seeing adolin as arthur from Merlin. Like to me thats exactly how i see him but to them its whitewashing

>>18008291
It wasn't, the only complaints I've really seen are people wanting Lindon to act more like a soulless chink, which was never his character to begin with.

>>18008300
desu I just use video game or anime characters, like Adolin looks like Edgar from FFVI, Daliner looks like Guts, and Kaladin looks like this guy from Golden Kamuy. Shallan is that one disney movie with a ginger.

Do you guys have the imagination or effort to actually imagine how characters are supposed to look or do you use standins?

>>18008342
Yeah sometimes i do that desu, like for some reason Kaladin is Eren Jaeger for me but normally i just imagine them

>>18008327
And they're literally forcing themselves to do it, especially when the natural inclination of nonwhites is to whiten themselves, either through insemination (massive amount of Danish sperm go to Brazil) or through genetic manipulation like CRISPR, and even through basic sexual selection Caucasian traits are always favored. This is why in every fiction were whites aren't the focus (unless it's strictly historical), the story feels stilted and unnatural.

>>18008358
after how much of a cuck Eren turned out to be thats strangely appropriate

>>18008371
I also find it kindaa hard to relate sometimes you know, i find it easier to relate with character if they resemble me

>>18008373
Yeah... I didnt mind the ending as much but its still a bit shitty, just that scene with eren on the floor killed the vibe i think

>>18008384
I find it hard to relate when a character is a PoC and they experience massive amounts of discrimination. I'd rather them just be white and everyone love them even though I'm not white. Especially weird when the writer is white so what are they even basing it on

>>18008319
Where are you discussing Cradle that isn't here or Reddit?

>>18008291
How can one ever go back to Manga after having read Chinese cultivation stories? I certainly can't. Korean stories? Don't make me laugh.

>>18008569
You can read pic related at least.

I’m reading Robin Hobb coming off finishing The Unholy Consult (and a Warhammer novel Spear of the Emperor as a palette cleanser).

Without a doubt the Second Son series was philosophically devasting and the ending was a gut punch like no other.

Yet the end second Fitzchivalry novels ending with Burrich and Chade bringing Fitz back was more upsetting than anything I’ve read in a while, especially when he refers to him as his son.

My question:

I can already see Fitz life is gonna be a shit one - however I hope he has some happy times and doesn’t end on a horrendously bleak note as I suspect it mig but. Can anyone confirm or negate?

I'm not much of a fantasy reader but my god is The Fellowship a slog to get through. It has it's moment but the pacing my god. I read the Book of the New Sun and basically flew through that. Why is it this way? I enjoy reading le meme hard books like Ulysess, Gravity Rainbow, and people like Gass but this is the first time I have felt filtered

>>18008581
based but also still chinese

>>18008422
is Cradle good or should I read something written by a chinaman? Read Woght's blog and I always get hesitant when someone takes a foreign genre and "removes problematic elements.

I am in the mood for some powerlevel magic shit after reading people hack and slash at eachother all weekend with zero powers and big fists

>>18008590
It might not be for you. Tolkien isn't "hard to read" by any means. It has a very relaxed vibe. But one persons's "relaxing" is another person's "boring".

>>18008593
>wanted Chinese
no shit
>>18008604
It's easy to read and has some entertaining moments but the quality goes downhill after Underlord.

>>18008604
Cradle is basically a kung fu series with the chink autism removed, and that's a good thing. The biggest problem with xianxia as a genre is how strictly chinks adhere to the exact same plot structures. Will Wright takes inspiration from them, but does not re-tread them exactly which makes the series feel a lot less formulaic (it still IS formulaic, just not to such an absurd degree).

>>18008588
Hobb only writes suffering porn

>>18008588
it's misery porn but there are also happy times. don't skip liveship/rainwild

>>18008588
>Can anyone confirm or negate?
There's a point at the end of the second trilogy which would have been a perfect end for the entire series. It's not even a climactic scene, it's just Fitz and Kettriken sitting down and having a drink together.
Unfortunately, the series continued for 3 more books after that.

>>18008619
>the exact same plot structures
so Lindon is a cripple but with no magic power, and from what I can guess from similar Japanese things I've read from this genre he either eats some sort of magical medicine/food or a god blesses him so now he ramps up to god mode eventually?

I do find an issue with this genre in Japanese media is that theres never any end goal or threats, just things to faceroll as MC gets revenge on everyone who bullied him

>>18008695
Almost. Lindon is a "cripple", but only because of a retarded tradition. A goddess shows him several potential futures, but doesn't actually help him succeed beyond showing him what is possible.
>I do find an issue with this genre in Japanese media is that theres never any end goal or threats, just things to faceroll as MC gets revenge on everyone who bullied him
Kind of the opposite in this case, there's a very clear goal/threat from the outset, based on what Lindon is shown from the future. As far as revenge goes, that's kind of what I meant about Wright not copying the cliches exactly. Revenge isn't a motivator for Lindon. In fact I can't think of him ever going out of his way to take revenge on anyone. In fact he goes out of his way to help (or try to help) people who cross him, though if they refuse he doesn't get hung up on it.

>>18008722
He did do some revenging at the start of Bloodline.

I started to read that book by the red headed dyke author an anon said was alright in a recent thread, but it was awfully written juvenile trash. I assume this is what is referred to as "YA fiction".

Coming off of The Prince of Nothing, the plotting and internal monologue felt simplistic and stupid, and oh my god, the writing.

I may be autistic, but I can't go from
>The Wracu came first, as they always did, dropping from the clouds with claws and wings askew. Their roars seemed to fall from all directions, curiously hollow, like children screeching into caverns, only infinitely more savage.
>Vertigo. Seswatha hung with his Sohonc brothers above their sacred Library, whose towers and walls yawed out below them, perched on the Troinim, the three hills that commanded the great city’s westward reaches. They awaited the frenzied descent, their figures hazed blue by their Gnostic Wards. Light sparked from their eyes and mouths, so that their heads seemed cauldrons. Their feet braced against the ground’s echo, they sang their blasphemous song.
>Psalms of destruction.
>Lines of brilliant white mapped the gaping spaces, striking geometries, confining geometries, lights that made smoke of hide and fury. Rearing back to bare claws and spew fire, the dragons plummeted into the arcane glitter, shrieking, screaming. Then they were through, bleeding smoke, some writhing and convulsing, one or two toppling to their deaths. The singing became more frantic. Threads of incandescence boiled against iron scales. Unseen hammers beat against wings and limbs.
>Then the Wracu were upon them.
to sentences like
>The City was very beautiful and very big.
and not feel disgusted. There's a weird mix of stuff that is stupidly simplistic, and sentences I needed to read several times because they're constructed so awkwardly. It's not just that everyone behaves and thinks like they're a teenager in high school, but reads like it was written by one too.
One thing she and Bakker have in common is that they point out how beautiful all the women are.

The shocking thing is that this trash won a Hugo for "best novel" in 2020, and the author is 35 years old. I loved Terra Ignota, which is also being written by a woman (though this one's a fujo, not a dyke), and won the same award in 2017.
Maybe I just feel more at home with philosophy nerds, than with normie "intellectuals".

Recommend me some
>western high fantasy
or
>fantasy that has dark themes, could be grimdark or something inbetween

Already done with broken empire, prince of nothing, first law, some 40k books (didn't really like cain's books and they're supposed to be the better ones) and bunch of others that i dont feel like listing

>>18008744
Well, granted, but his revenge was NOT killing him, and Lindon gave him plenty of chances to stop being an asshat.

>>18008250

To the anon who recommended Lord Dunsany in a thread many many months ago I thank you. It may not even have been a /sffg/ thread but I like to think they contribute to these ones from time to time.

>>18008752
Fucking animefag, stop shitting up the thread.

>>18008749
>>fantasy that has dark themes, could be grimdark
Balck Sun Rising/coldfire trilogy? Althought you probably read it

>>18008749
A Song of Ice and Fire (unfinished, but unlikely to be finished, so might as well read it)
Black(ed) Company (kinda goes to shit towards the end, but fun until a couple books in, also not exactly high fantasy)

>>18008604
>chinaman novels
No
Because:
- Translators suck
- China -> English loses a lot of meaningful context even if done by good translator
- Chinese novels (even better ones) are plain bad, because they're carbon copies of each other and only the popular stuff lands here and they suffer from same syndrome as the popular stuff in the west in amateur writing sites, such as they get popular and never end and change the plotlines to prolong the story to perpetuity for patreon/qidian bux. How many good stories are there in royalroad weekly popular is a good take for this.
- Chinese got really shitty taste when it comes to fantasy / scifi and only their popular stuff has remote possibility of getting good translator
- when you've read one chink novel you've read em all, they're literal carbon copies
- even good chink novels like release that witch come crashing down after 100k~ words

>>18008764
what are your thoughts on Cradle?

>>18008785
I don't really fancy cultivation novels but it's ok I suppose for one

>>18008281
do they know that epicanthic folds are not even exclusive to asians?

Fuck E William Brown

>character description explicitly says pale skin
>fans want her to be black in the live action

>>18006655
I love everything suggested so far, so pretty much anything that you just think is a stellar book or series, I'd almost assuredly love.
This recommend looks amazing, I've read a couple memorable short stories by him years ago and always wanted to read one of his novels. I can't wait to crack this guy open. Thanks very much!

Anyone else have some science fiction favorites they'd like to toss out there?
I listen to audiobooks while I work, so would very much appreciate being able to read everyone's favorite finds.

(A little background though since asked:
Some authors I love are cixin, bujold, j. & v. vinge, card, moon, adams, egan, asimov, tepper, m. wells, simmons, herbert, etc. and forever on.
my all time favorite'll always be reynolds.
I love suprising short stories, clever page-turner novellas, dark thick and gritty hard sf, all the classics, beautifully intricate intellectual or philosophical puzzlers, single serving books, endless series, ideas and concepts...
I love egan's storm of universe shaking ideas which know no limits, but as written by reynolds, who lets you soak each of them in.
(as an aside, an eccentric love is revelation space and remnant population's temporarily following a single lady alone in a crazy space who's very happy to be so.
I also love beings like the clockmaker, living ships, murderbot and the shrike.)
Again to general tastes,
it's a wonderful bonus if my sf reads have character development, (vorkosigan saga, etc.) but playing with ideas and overwhelming concepts are absolutely my most loved facet of sf. That and really just all darned exceptionally well written books~)
oh hey, sorry for the tldr by the way.

>>18008657
>rainwild
Is that the one where they establish a homosexual ethnostate of telepathic dragon scalies, topple a neighbouring evil kingdoim of misoginy and replace it with enlightened matriarchy?

I'm so fed up with this fucking site, I've been thinking about starting a blog. Nobody will read it, but at least I'll have some kind of platform (that isn't here) to write on. Plus, most other writers have a blog so maybe it'll work out. Anyways, thanks for the SFF recommendations lads, and I hope the people to who I've recommended books have found my recommendations useful.

>>18009448
Just post on goodreads

>>18009371
Is the pic supposed to be murder bot, or that sundriver thingie from last thread?

>>18009482
this one's murderbot

>>18009415
I mean, I guess. it's not very good honestly and it's notably more YA than the rest of the series but it's important for the overall story and the books aren't super long

>>18009566
In retrospect, I should've heeded the blaring warning signs I was seeing towards the end of liveship traders and shelved the series right there.

For your reading pleasure, Bakkerchads:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7af3IhBKbgrTmp5d3M3bXRja1U/view
A History of Eärwa by Wertzone

As close to a Silmarillion of Eärwa we may ever get.

>start reading Cradle
>first paragraph is a ripoff of HxH's nen test
what am I in for lads?

>>18009596
Very enjoyable read.

I was just thinking:
>tfw no Frank Castle isekai'd into a xianxia world
MAX of course.
>>18009615
First book is all about Lindon and worldbuilding.

Why is the Kingkiller series so popular?

Are there any books have non-villainous orcs that aren't edgy subversive "le humans are the REAL bad guys!" soapboxes?

>>18008747
>Maybe I just feel more at home with philosophy nerds, than with normie "intellectuals"
"I'm not an obnoxious windbag, I'm a philosophy nerd!"

>>18008758
no :)

>>18008747
"He possesses..."

>>18009448
Start a twitter account and @ this thread, I'll follow you.

>>18009790
reddit gets to self insert into a mary sue

>>18009790
some people enjoy being cuckolds.

Has anyone read The Shadow of What Was Lost?

Thoughts if so?

Is she right about Bakker?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exDVJXYEFSM&ab_channel=BookswithBrittany

>>18009966
fuck off

>>18009966
>she

>>18009966
>mfw its true

>>18009966
> Taking the opinion of a woman on a masculine fantasy novel.

>>18008291
Thought it was way better than wintersteel.

>>18009966
Let's see here
>booktuber
>booktuber that reads only fantasy
Not a chance in hell

>>18009950
It had a decent start of a book, but the dialogue is absolutely awful and made me drop it.

>>18010057
>overcompensating for his low test levels this hard

>>18009950
Overall mixed feelings. Good plotting and intrigue that keeps you interested in reading further, bearable but pretty flat and YAish cast. There is a great twist within the ending but beyond that, i thought it pretty lackluster, sports an anticlimactic deus ex machina and some unsatisfying military events. I'm not equipped to talk about prose but this was one of the rare times that definitely thought there was something lacking in the way it was written.

>>18009966
Fair enough review, but it was twice as long as it needed to be to say what she wanted to say.
I felt similar about the characters, but for me *interesting* characters are enough to carry a story. I don't need to *like* them - and I did like some. As Proyas said: It's easy to forget what Cnaiur is really like. I remember having a meh to bad impression of the books after I first read them, but I loved them after the second time, because everything fell into place and I noticed how well constructed they are.
I think if she'd managed to read more, she'd have liked them more too, and probably upped her rating to "cautious recommendation", because she does seem to appreciate what is good about Bakker.

I also agree that the role of women in the world is strange. It's not enough to put me off entirely, but I definitely see it as a weak point. There's no good reason why there's no politicking wives or female nobles within the lore Bakker created, they are just curiously absent. Why are all the women extremely good looking sluts?
A possible counter to this is to say that both series mostly take place during military campaigns, which would usually (but not universally) preclude women IRL, but still. If you read his other books, that are set in modern times, you'll see him treat women mostly the same way. I do think that he has some weird hang ups in regards to this and it shows.

I don't know how you would seriously liken Bakker to Erikson. Their writing styles are nothing alike. Bakker has deep lore, an overarching story, and characters that are shaped by their world. Erikson's lore is best described as "wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle", no overall planning across books, and his characters are mostly modern people placed in a fantasy world.
It's two completely different styles of writing, and two very different types of story. "Bad things happen in both" is so superficial, you can say that about every book.

I think Bakker fans generally underappreciate how much an pompous edgelord sperg he actually is, and how that can put off normies. I was abused by my parents, so the whole "domestic abuse and familial discord" angle didn't even register as odd to me. Same with everyone being "selfish"; I don't think the characters are any worse in that regard than the people I live around. It makes me wonder what world the reviewer lives in, whether she ever worked an actual job or has social relationships that allow her to see beyond the facade people front for social credit.

>>18010105
Wintersteel
>stands up to a Herald's spiritual pressure
Bloodline
>kowtows before every Jade within viewing distance
How?

>>18010298
>Erikson
>no overall planning across books
heh

>>18010310
I read most of them, there pretty much isn't any. He makes things up as he goes along and trashes half of the established lore every couple books. I herd he sort of ties the garbage together in a bag at the end, but I never got that far because I couldn't give a shit about his confabulations anymore.

>>18010298
Good post.

> politicking wives or female nobles
Ikurei Istreya?

Stop crying about women in every thread incels.

>>18010323
I'm actually not that big of a fan of Malazan but it's funny you got fitered so much

>>18009966
Normies can’t handle Esmenet chapters

>>18010352
>Ikurei Istreya?
Yeah, like that, but more than a footnote.

>>18010357
>not liking someone for a good reason = filtered
Stop thinking in memes.

>>18010365
I agree with you on Bakker's woman problem in general. The main female characters are either hypersexed fuck dolls like Serwë. or hypersexed, too-smart-for-you bitches like Esmenet and Serwa. With the exception of a few background characters like Istreya and the Swayal witch who got salted at Dagliash, there are almost no women which aren't presented as sex objects for the male characters, and there's very little range in age or occupation (20s-30s, prostitute or concubine). Bakker's other writing bears this same approach, look at Neuropath.

I love his incandescent writing, his descriptive power, and his brilliant insights into the nature of humanity and reality, but sometimes I wish he could just step a little further outside himself – the tall, gangly, high IQ, argumentative, arrogant, prickish, sensitive, easily wounded, giganerd canuck bastard – to find characters with other ways of being in the world.

>>18010357
I really enjoyed Gardens of the Moon but he’s right. Characters are not deep thinkers, they are like “woah...war and nationalism is bad” or “individualism is good”. Crokus is the best character because he is a realistic teenager who falls in love with hot girls. The story just seems like a random amalgamation of cool ideas he had. Nothing wrong with that, but I think that poster’s description was accurate.

>>18010365
All the Ikurei are basically footnotes. The main characters are Esmenet Akka Kellhus and Cnauir. How do you thrust a strong independent womyn into the dynamic of nobodies in the middle of a military campaign

>>18010298
>I also agree that the role of women in the world is strange. It's not enough to put me off entirely, but I definitely see it as a weak point. There's no good reason why there's no politicking wives or female nobles within the lore Bakker created, they are just curiously absent.
Uhh... Because the entire series is about a military campaign. Wives, at least those among nobility, aren't going to come with. And as already been mentioned, in the one plotline that's not set in the holy war we do have a "female" character playing politics.

Who are the some good Japanese authors who produce western-style fantasy that's available in a mass market paperback format?

>>18010352
>>18010298
>>18010400
Just quit posting here and join reddit, strong women are just a meme. Bakker understands women and how their brain works.

>>18010859
you could buy Goblin Slayer

>>18011203
>good

I should be getting 'Gnonom' tomorrow.. and have heard good things about. also getting S Craig Zahler's new book, tho that's not /sffg/..

Any good recent fantasy or horror involving gnomes or squatch people?

>>18010409
>How do you thrust a strong independent womyn into the dynamic of nobodies in the middle of a military campaign
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine#Crusade
I know this is an exception. But Bakker came up with the world in the books, and historically women have wielded substantially more influence than is reflected in his world. He writes women as specific archetypes that are very narrowly limited to being sexual objects moved along by men.
Kellhus, who may be called an author self insert due to looking similar to Bakker and having a similar outlook on life, gets blindsided by his darkness leading him astray through lust. Interesting.

>>18010427
Istreya does fuck all in the story, we are merely told that she used to be politically adept. And then she is replaced by a skin spy at some point after the death of Skeaos I assume.

>>18010400
>I wish he could just step a little further outside himself – the tall, gangly, high IQ, argumentative, arrogant, prickish, sensitive, easily wounded, giganerd canuck bastard – to find characters with other ways of being in the world
That would be ideal, but I don't expect more than a slight evolution. He's already an old man, fixed in his ways, and desu I'm fine with his writing when it's turned towards a remote fantasy world (though I understand people who find his tendency to constantly lecture people obnoxious). Reading things that are set in our world revealed that he can't write "normal" characters that are natural outside of an alien context. Neuropath is downright bad aside from being an introduction into his world view, Disciple of Dog feels more fun, but is still clumsy and he can't write dialogue for regular people for shit. He thinks they talk like autists except they throw "like" and "or something" into every sentence.

Nothing wrong with being good at one thing and bad at others. I hope he writes a third trilogy one day.

>>18011521
An anon after my own heart. I love Bakker to death but I'm not afraid to point out the flaws in his authorial voice/persona, and you pretty much nailed them here.

>>18011536

>>18011549
Not everyone can be saved.

>>18011554
based and saved (pardon the pun)

>>18011561
Better version with good old Saubon!

>>18011576
what happend to Saubon at the end? I haven't read the series in so long.. I honestly forget the significance of his character. I'm fairly certain he want to hell.. I believe Bakker made that explicit. Kellhus raped Proyas.. but what ever happened to Saubon?

>>18011590
Yes, Saubon trust Hi–
And would soon find his head and soul being peeled open like a grape by the devouring claws of hungry ciphrangi for the rest of eternity.

>>18011598
There's no way a blasphemous whore like Emsenet is not going straight to hell, but Mimara saw her as saved, which I think means that Kellhus wasn't lying when he said he personally was saved. He simply cut his wive into the deal. I wonder whether he considered saving anyone else, let alone tried to, or whether he just didn't give a shit.

>>18011640
>or whether he just didn't give a shit.
Esmi was his only weakness...
his fatal weakness, and thereby the World's.

>>18011662
Serwe was almost as bad, but she died early, triggering... I still don't know, what is the exact nature of Kellhus' madness? His later miracles can be explained through his divine aid, but the halo is confusing to me. Is it merely autosuggestion? But Kellhus himself sees it. But he is also mad. But what does it mean for him to be mad? What was going on during that entire circumfix scene where he heard voices and then pulled Serwe's heart out of his own chest?
That aspect of the story is the most baffling to me (aside from that dunyain attaining the absolute, whatever that is or means).

>>18011717
Good questions. I have no real answers except that the madness of a Dûnyain is beyond human comprehension and that despite his superhuman nature, Kellhus was very much still a man. It's an interesting twist on a Gnostic or Nietzschean Christ figure.

One thing's for sure, Ajokli began speaking to him on the Circumfix.

>>18011717
>>18011640
You do know that Bakker posted in /sffg/ last month, right fren?

>>18011748
lmao.. christ. I loved reading his autistic blog and hardly understanding it.. even with a bachelors in philosophy

>Bakker... more like Half-Baked.

>>18011748
>last month
>shows February
Hello wagie :^)

>>18008752
based, Dunsany is great.

>>18008752
The coziest writer of fantasy. No other can compare to his prose and style.

>Kingkiller Chronicle
I liked it, is the 3rd book really as NEVER EVER as people claim?

>>18008250
>Finished On the Shoulders of Titans
>Have to wait over a month for book 3 in Arcane Ascension

Fuck. I wanna know what happens to the gay little autist.

>>18012056
Rothfuss's editor posted this last year. That book ain't ever coming out. Sucks because the series pretty comfy.

>>18012093
I think that after Wise Man's Fear didn't get the same acclaim that Name of the Wind did (especially with that weird sex fairy business).

>>18012110
>especially with that weird sex fairy business
What? Did people not like the weird sex fairy stuff when it came out ?
That was a hundred more interesting than the training montages with the sword weebs.

>>18012110
I will never forget how fucking excited I was to hear about this child who had to come up with one way after another to afford tuition in school and have it turn to dust in front of him. Then he also has all these cool relationships and rivalries.

But then out of nowhere

>I'm the king's top man
>I fucked a fairy for a year
>I'm the top newbie in the autistic ninja school
>The autistic ninjas all want to fuck me so bad btw
>I'm coldsteel the hedgehog killing people with no remorse


I almost wish that there was never any intrigue and it's just a poor child who needs to find a way to pay tuition for magic school for 3 books. I just wasn't feeling it.

>>18012182
This sounds like the most insufferable reddit garbage imaginable. Not that I'd expect any less from old man Crotchfuss.

I know this may sound retarded, but are there any stories that evoke the imagery of something like one of Yoshitaka Amano's art pieces? This ethereal, almost dreamlike kind of medieval fantasy, melancholy yet beautiful and colorful.
I think Lord Dunsany hits pretty close to the mark, his highly imaginative yet purposely vague descriptions always paint some really wonderful images when I read him, but I was hoping to find something a bit more modern and narratively complex than his stories, as enjoyable as they are, preferably a long novel or a series of novels as opposed to short stories.

>>18012274
It is! Every time he talks about money it's awesome. The Tinkers come to town and try to sell him stuff and he haggles with them. It happens often. He was getting ready to venture innawoods one time and the entire narrative grinds to a halt so he can argue about how useful the Tinker's knife is going to be. I liked that part. I liked him feeling nervous about his placement for his beginning of the semester quiz that determines how expensive his tuition is going to be. He was being a shithead last semester and argued with his rival, so it's going to be high, so he needs to negotiate with another student for her later placement so he has more time to study. That rules!

But then


He has to consider his relationship with the name of the wind. He has to know more about the chandrian. He has to chase after this girl and be upset about how she has an abusive sponsor. He has to be a faggot innkeeper and get owned.Some of it is fine. All of it is preferable to the stuff in >>18012182 but this isn't what makes me excited to read the book.

>>18012339
Also, like the only time the magic system ever gets used it when he's engineering stuff.

>>18012182
I just feel like he pigeonholed himself into making it a trilogy and then wasted a ton of time in the first book so he had to rush a ton of reputation into the second book or else book three would be like 1400 pages at the current pace.

>>18012335
Not retarded, Worm Ouroboros by Eddison might fit that description and it's a lengthy novel too.

>>18012339
>>18012182
i physically cringed reading these posts.
>does it trouble you?
yes, it troubles me... deeply, to know that anons in /sffg/ are into this kind of tripe.

You guys warned me that Bakker was a cuckold but you could've warned me he was THAT much of a cuckold.

>find out Kindle keeps a record of all the words you've looked up the definition to
>have 258 words to sift through
I almost wish I could rice my Kindle somehow.

>>18012459
Bakker sucks. Has some interesting writing filled with too much filth to be worth it.

>>18012459
There are degrees of cuckold? I thought it was an all or nothing sort of thing. Like is level one just the tip and level 10 the butt?

>>18012428
Arcane Ascension is simply better. Also the third book is out, but I haven't gotten to it yet. If you're okay with one of the characters having they/them pronouns+a couple other moments, then it's a magic school with intrigue too.

The difference is that this kid is straight up autistic. This book has details about the magic system that would make a seasoned DnD player blush and Corin wants to know EVERYTHING about it. The trade off is that the intrigue isn't mushy like Kvothe needing to fuck and chase after demons. The intrigue is armies moving around, angry demigods, and betrayals. There are powerful people with secrets. But at its core layer, they're fighting monsters, learning spells, and solving puzzles ala a dungeon crawling RPG. Let's fucking go!

>>18012510
Why can't I decline the call? :3

Can I ignore it?

>>18012409
Thanks, I've been actually meaning to read his stuff since my teens but I always forget to get to it.

>>18012517
People have tried such strategies with... limited success

>>18012508
>level 10 the butt?

>>18012528
Don't want to derail the thread but what was the story with this guy again?

>>18012524
Np, I know u said u want novels but Clark Ashton Smith might also have short stories that fit that art style. Especially his Zothique ones.

>>18012549
He himself his quietus made
With a bare bodkin.

>>18012567
Can you give me details like a normal person?

>>18012510
> one of the characters having they/them pronouns
This guy just gets more cringe with each book with all the lgbtqerpwtfbbq+ stuff.

>>18011640
Khellus cut deals with the Pit. I imagine his family was part of that deal.

>>18012598
>like a normal person
Go back.

>>18012599
It's not that bad if you're anything besides adamantly, ideologically opposed

>>18012510
>Unironically shilling Arcane Ascension
I'd rather read fucking Sanderson.

>>18012642
Normal as opposed to gay

>>18012682
You didn't get my reference, so you were filtered. Accept your brainlet status and move on.

>>18012695
I don't care

What's the hottest new fantasy series?

Just finished Malazan book of the fallen lads. What a ride. I honestly feel like that series made me a better person, with the takeaways and lessons embedded within. That’s not to say it was without its flaws, but I’m not sure I have viscerally enjoyed something as much as this series.

But I feel empty now. What’s next? What should I read, in terms of sprawling, philosophical, sophisticated-prose works?

>>18012720
my diary desu

>>18012741
>Malazan
>sophisticated-prose
Lel

That said, read Bakker.

>>18012768
There’s literally a metered poem at the beginning of every chapter my guy

Good suggestion, but already have

>>18008764
reverend insanity is one of the most unique fantasy books/series ive ever read. The plotline, world characters, all of completely unlike anything else ive read and ive read a fuck ton of this garbage genre chink and western. I mostly agree with you though, its just that western novels are mostly complete trash as well so its pick your poison.

>>18012510
>turns the MC gay at the end of the book
>bans you from his genre sub for disliking his butt buddy's book Bloodline
wew lad

>>18008384
I do this with everything.
Evan Winters, Sanderson, Jordan, no one is safe.

>>18012093
This is crazy because Rothfuss claims he has gone through at least 5 full or partial rewrites of the book manuscript.

>>18012510
You forgot to mention the author makes Corin and his murder ninja frenemy super gay and lust for each other with no warning in book two.

is there a novel with a similar premise to The Last Starfighter?
>a teenager breaks the high-score of an arcade game. Turns out, the game was actually a recruiting tool to select the best pilots in the galaxy
I fucking love that idea of "ordinary pass time turns out to be a test", it's a shame there aren't other movies with a similar premise. And no, Ender's Game doesn't count.

>>18012970
Ernest Cline basically ripped this idea off for Armada if you can't stomach it. It is honestly a better book than Ready Player One, but that really isn't saying much.

>>18012510
im reading this right now and while its reasonably enjoyable the palpable onions from the author is grating. The writing is also almost sanderson tier and all the main characters are insufferably cringe (unusually i actually find the female character the least annoying). Im hoping that the author will have the autism to stay focused on whats enjoyable about the story, the fantasy parts, rather than spend too much time fleshing out character hes not capable of writing well (like will wight).

Why do so many fantasy writers try to do that by the way? If i want to read about human relationships and drama id read tolstoy or some other writer of actual literature. If youre gonna write a power/wish fulfilment fantasy why the fuck would you not embrace that youre writing trash and just try to have fun with it?

>>18012965
Rothfuss has no proof he's done anything except stream on twitch for the past years.

>>18009966
funny that this got posted, I was trying to think back to Bakker's books but realized all I could remember was
>and death came swirling down
being repeated over and over and over. Bakker has a toilet fetish.

>>18012158
it's very fanfictiony and amateurish

Recommend some post-apocalyptic fantasy like Dark Souls. I've already read Bakker and Wolfe.

>>18013388
prince of thorns although some people understandably hate it

>>18012768
You're confusing sophistication with verbosity. Sasuga, Bakkerfag.

>>18013388
The Gunslinger reminded me of Dark Souls.

>>18013459
That's an odd conclusion to reach there. His books aren't particularly verbose, certainly no more so than Malazan.

>>18012182
>>18012339
>>18012510
Why are you guys making this sound so based? Please don’t make me read an SJW book...

>>18013562
its fun if you have a reasonable onions and bad dialogue tolerance

>>18013567
What about Sanderson? The Way of Kings has a beautiful cover. The other ones have ugly covers. It’s like he got clout and then forced them to use his friend’s art.

>>18013573
i only read the first two sanderson books. Also enjoyable at times if you like trashy anime type writing but it seems he got bogged down writing boring characters and dialogue in the later books and the latest one was shit. I enjoyed way of kings when i read it years ago though, might as well read it and continue with the series untill you stop liking it.

Did you know that one out of ten posts in this thread mentions Bakker?

>>18013581
He’s a stud genius so that’s fine. He testosterone mogs and IQ mogs Rothfuss, Sanderson, Erikson, and Abercrombie. He testosterone mogs GRRM, but idk if he mogs him intellectually. I haven’t even read Baker’s books yet but I can already tell from what I’ve heard that this is the case.

>>18013573
Sanderson is basically the MCU equivalent of books. His books are typically mindless but fun shlock. There also is a lot of crossover between the various series as many are set in the same universe. However, his most recent books in the Stormlight Archive have become so bogged down with characters, sub-plots, and cross overs they've ceased to be even fun and have just become a chore. I didn't even bother to pick up the 4th book when I heard that all the big problems I had with the 3rd were magnified in the 4th.

Looking for recs containing all these:
>Contemporary fantasy (21st century or the equivalent information age)
>Constructed world, not Earth
>At least its medieval era was full of magic and nonhuman races like other popular fantasies (so no "the other races just came out some years ago" or "magic appeared again in modern times")
>No masquerade, the world is still full of magic and nonhumans out in the open

>>18013682
How about no.

>>18005279
I don't really understand the appeal of book tubers to begin with. Not a single one of them actually has any informative or in-depth takes on what they read. They're just people going on and on about the fact they read X number of books every month.

>>18008250
>mfw this place is STILL going crazy over Bakker
Once the next ASoI&F novel finally comes out, following GRRM's death when his assistants and editor compose it from leftover notes, /sffg/ will go into full meltdown mode.

>>18014293
This. I honestly only watch Media Death Cult, this guy has charisma, but at the same time he doesn't say anything that I wouldn't know myself.

>>18008250
Goddamn, why is EVERYTHING part of a series or trilogy these days? I just want some standalone SF and fantasy.

>>18014400
There are bazillion standalone sci-fi books.

>>18014293
I was watching Daniel Greene's recommendations for books when I wanted to get into fantasy and now I just leave his stuff in the background while I do something else
>Just check the charts
It's not the same as hearing why it's good
>Just ask here
People get aggressive when you ask why something is good and redirect you to goodreads reviews.

>>18014400
$

>>18014480
>Daniel Greene
That dude wades through 10+ volume pulp series and self published schlock while never having picked up a single Wolfe novel.

Well, this was better than I expected. The author is very ignorant of science and that's a very weak point, but it's good food-for-thought in its main theme of the nature of humanity and bestiality (and yes, that goes for both meanings of the word). The movies had the OG novel dumbed down and sanitized.

Jurassic Park is another good example of a dumbed down book.

>>18014728
He doesn't read sexist/racist white men.

>>18014806
I don't why some people are incapable of separating the author from their work.

>>18014830
Because by reading them, you are still supporting them financially.

>tfw drizzt

>>18014293
worst thing about book tubers for me is how they reveal themselves to be very very entry-tier level and more about just reading the latest releases/whatever leddit is buzzing about. shit, most of them haven't even read the classic pillars of their supposedly favorite genres and are averse to them for one reason or another. I don't particularly care what your experience is, but if you're making money of this whole book tube gig you should at least have a decent of reference.

>>18014806
Sexist. Maybe, nothing wrong with that. Racist. Where?

>>18014830
>I don't why some people are incapable of separating the author from their work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcrGJurETdA&ab_channel=BeautifullyBookishBethany

>>18014863
>author leaves comments on reviews of his works
>this is somehow, like, BAD

I don't understand these people.

>>18014863
Why is she having a problem with the authors responding to reviews? She thinks she can say what she likes and the author has no right to defend himself?

>>18014806
GTFO and kys please.

>>18012158
it was too masturbatory for me

>>18014857
Gotta be mainstream to appeal to the mainstream, anon.

>>18012510
it was bad

>>18008250
do we still do monthly book club type shit or did that fall off?

>>18015237
It's a goodreads group and/or discord thing now.

>>18015246
aw man that's gay i fucking hate discord

>>18015247
It's a normalfag containment den too.

>Humorous group of adventurers going in an quest
Anything like ?

>>18015333
Dungeon Meshi.

>>18015333
Journey to the West

>>18014806
he read jordan though ?

Guess the book

>>18015452

>>18012510
Shame the author can't write worth a damn. I've seen more interesting shopping lists.

After reading the First Law trilogy is it worth reading the standalone books or I go straight to a Little Hatred?

>>18014806
Fake news.
Rent free.

>>18015369
Jordan wasn't a sexist.
He was an extreme philogynist to the point of fetishization.

>>18015490
after reading First Law hopefully you will become over 18 and start reading actually good literature you absolute pleb

>>18015333
First Law Trilogy is like LOTR-lite

>>18015490
Heroes and Best Served Cold are better than the trillogies desu. Red Country lets you know what happens to Logan but its a bit mediocre otherwise

>Want to buy 'The Darkness That Comes Before'
>shit cover is £6
>kino cover is £40

Fuck sake.

>>18015726
I had this same problem too; even on Ebay, the really nice first edition cover is significantly more expensive than that shitty newer cover with the face on it

>>18015560
I'll read Kingkiller next don't worry.

>>18015779
>I'll read Kingkiller
Don't do that to yourself.

what are good books to fill my home library with
i had salvatore books but one girl recognized the books and called me childish nerd for them :(

>>18013591
Based. Bakker is the only Chad in the fantasy game. The rest are complete betas in comparison.

>>18015800
"literary" speculative fiction (never call it "fantasy" or "science fiction" because those terms carry certain connotations–"speculative fiction" carries the same kind of weight and vagueness that "literary fiction" does):
>Book of the New Sun
>Gormenghast
>Dune (only the first two)
>The Second Apocalypse series
>Lyonessse
>The Space Trilogy (CS Lewis' Out of the Silent Planet, Perlandra, and That Hideous Strength)
>Till We Have Faces (also by CS Lewis)
>Jorge Luis Borges' fictions

>>18015829
>Dune (only the first two)
What could you possibly have against God Emperor?

>>18015829
>The Second Apocalypse series
It drives women insane reading it.

>>18015852
The person I was replying too wants book that will look good on a shelf–"Dune" and "Dune Messiah" are good serious-sounding names, but "Children of Dune" and most of the titles afterwards sound kind of hokey and might draw more attention

Why do women hate Bakker so much?

>>18015829
I just tend to say I love history and fiction books, with emphasizing history, saying it's usually dramatized to add flavor
I don't own any history books and I only read rome/theology/mythos wiki articles regarding historical topics, maybe some youtube videos if the thumbnail is interesting but I feel less shame laying it out like that

>>18015895
No one to self insert into.

>>18015895
He calls them out, and they recoil.

>>18015957
isn't self insert the worst way to read books?
You just enjoy the world and story for what it is
Then again some people cannot monologue inside their heads with thoughts so everyone has their own thing

>>18015895
Because the few women that have prominent roles in his books are generally flawed fuck ups who tend to ruin things. They aren't perfect little Mary Sues who just enter a room and automatically lord their superiority over everyone like that one ginger cunt from Sanderson's shitty book. See when women say the want more prominent female roles and characters in fantasy, what they actually want is a shameless self insert.

>>18015988
>who just enter a room and automatically lord their superiority over everyone
but when a man does it thats based?

Another day of hating women huh.
Never change incels.

>>18015998
Yes it is, simpy.

>>18015858
Men too...

>>18015895
Because he describes them accurately which leads to response like this >>18015998 and >>18016000 because cucks like these can't handle realism when it comes to women.

>>18015971
Yes, but based on the feedback from most women it is clear they NEED to be able to self-insert to enjoy reading fiction.

>>18015998
Way to miss the context. The example I gave was Shallan who at one point just comes into a room and "outwits" men who have decades of experience on her with a shitty joke and Sanderson expects us to believe that this self absorbed teenage girl with no actual life experience is somehow a brilliant leader.

>>18015998
Khellus might as well be genderless relative to the rest of humanity.

>>18016035
in Sanderson's universe men are illiterate while women make up most scholars so yes

>>18016031
Why are women so mentally limited, bros? Is it a genetic fluke? A societal one?
It makes me really sad thinking about it. How do we fix our fairer half and turn them into complete human beings?

>>18015779
KEK

Alright so I read Bloodline and it was shit. There's a line between being humble and forgiving and just being flat out retarded. Trying to save people who tried to murder you at multiple points and continue to backstab you is the epitome of stupid. And then there's his own family who still treats him like trash. even though he's accomplished more than their minds can literally comprehend. It's just annoying to see this big hero's journey play out throughout the books then when he comes back home ALL of that development is reset and he becomes a meek little slave to people who are literal ants compared to him.

>>18016070
sounds very chinese desu

>>18016041
Well in the real world more women go to college so that sounds fair.

>>18016080
your mom went to college

>>18015895
Who cares?

>>18016080
Do they only teach you how to read in college in muttland?
That's crazy.

>>18016080
>comparing liberal arts to STEM & management

>>18016099
From goodread reviews apparently they are taught all fictional works must conform to their worldview, or else.

>>18016111
Absolutely bonkers. No wonder the country is a zoo.

>>18016104
lets not pretend they arent pozzing STEM already

>>18016079
The irony is the entire series is fake chinkshit and fails because Will Wight is writing a chinese story but without chink values. Lindon is a chink with western values in a chink story which is why he's so insufferable as a protagonist.

>>18016129
>why he's so insufferable as a protagonist.
What. Lindon is great, it's nice to actually have a protagonist in one of these stories who isn't a retarded edgelord.

>>18016133
Retarded edgelordism is why chinkshit is popular.

>>18016133
Considering the rest of the cast and how they treat him, this is the one time I'm sad the mc is not an omnicidal edgelord.

>>18016133
when the world is just as edgy this makes the protagonist a walking tarp. Hard to get invested in someone so weak willed.

>>18016139
The world isn't really that edgy at all though, and nothing Lindon did makes him seem weak willed. A weak willed character would have had an autistic spergout and just killed them because they couldn't control themselves.

Who ever rec'd Hidden Tower fuck you. I didn't ask for suffering and ntr.

>>18016149
>A weak willed character would have had an autistic spergout and just killed them because they couldn't control themselves.
basically why we have school shootings every other week

>>18015998
Yes? It is believable that a physically imposing man commands respect thanks to his appearance alone. Same reason why a manlet is naturally considered ridiculous and womanish btw, it's natural instinct.

Been researching America's fantasy tradition a bit more lately; while Europe (specifically England) has Tolkien, who specifically drew from Norse and English myth and legends to craft The Lord of the Rings, America doesn't really have a mythic historical period like those countries do, so I wanted to examine what fantasy was like before Tolkien's influence. Most pre-Tolkien fantasy in America came from the pulp magazines from that in the early 20th century, and it was dominated by the big three: Robert E Howard, HP Lovecraft, and Clarke Ashton Smith. Robert E Howard was the only one who was mostly writing what we recognize today as "fantasy"–Lovecraft mostly wrote mostly cosmic horror stories, and Smith's work was a little bit of both, taking the pre-historical constructed worlds of Howard's work, and combining it with the weirdness and cosmic imagery of Lovecraft's work.

England has the medieval period to draw from to furnish their myths–castles and knights and dragons (and most of your standard vanilla fantasy tropes) are all taken from England's past. The closest thing America has to a "mythical period" is 'the wild west' (Cormac McCarthy's Blood Meridian is a very good example of taking the mythology of the West West, rendering it in a very mythological, epic light a la Paradise Lost and Dante's Inferno, and subverting it at the same time. The connection between McCarthy's mythical west and Howard's western-inspired mythical Hyboria is a very interesting one, and something I am definitely want to examine more closely). Howard seemed to be aware of this, as one of the primary inspirations for his Conan stories were the western fables and tall tales he heard as a child living in Texas (The character of Conan came to Howard as he was traveling through the west: "[Conan the Barbarian] simply grew up in my mind a few years ago when I was stopping in a little border town on the lower Rio Grande.") His Conan the Barbarian stories, and the world they take place in, are essentially a combination of the western tall-tales he heard as a child, combined with his interest in ancient history, ancient mythology, (he drew heavily from Bullfinch's Mythology while writing The Hyborian Age) and theosophy (an occult, esoteric new-age religion that draws on teachings from ancient civilizations and secret societies). HP Lovecraft's influences were more literary, taking heavy influence from gothic macabre tales Edgar Allen Poe and the creepy, homely folktales of Washington Irving.

So it seems that, where England's fantasy tradition (through Tolkien, Dunsany, MacDonald and Lewis) lies in more idyllic. archetypal works, America's fantasy tradition lies in the weird and the macabre. Where England created High Fantasy, America created Sword and Sorcery and Cosmic Horror. What this says about each country and their culture is up for debate, but I think this is an interesting observation.

>>18016161
Author simply mixed standard soap opera plotlines with fantasy setting.

>>18016135
it's not even edgelord enough
most of the chinese novels that you can find in novelupdates, the mc reads like incel lord that's very epitome of onions weakling getting superpowers

>>18015998
I apologise for the responses you received. We /lit/erati let our women rule our vacuum cleaners... and our beds. You sound ridiculous to them.

>>18016161
But it builds his character. Finish the book, it's worth it.

>>18016161
>>18016209
>and ntr.
quick rundowh?

>>18016149
There's a difference between killing a bunch of ignorant retards because they don't know better and killing a group of hostile retards who have tried to kill you before and continue to plan to try to kill you even after you've forgiven them. Lindon wanting to help his retarded family and the regular inhabitants of Sacred Valley is understandable, Lindon wanting to help Heaven's Glory despite everything they've done and continue to do is just stupid.

>>18016219
Christian values chink. Deal with it.

>>18016218
Arranged marriage fails because she’d rather fuck her chad guard

>>18016228
lame, thats hardly NTR.

>>18016174
USA has cowboys and indians as mythology. And their civil war.

>>18016236
It’s more ntr because he sits in a side room and watches them fuck so he can gain the required mental anguish to increase his magical prowess.

>>18016228
Why was he too beta to exercise his rights as a husband?

>>18016257
okay what the fuck I'm in

>>18016223
"then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Luke 22:36

Compete pacifism an nonaggression above all else should never have been made part of Christianity you prot scum.

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Matthew 10:34

>>18016218
>mc has an arranged marriage
>she fucks other men while they're married while the MC refuses to sleep with her because he's a Nice Guy™
>she eventually gets pregnant and THEN tries to sleep with MC to trick him into thinking the baby is his
>afterwards she keeps fucking the other guy
>MC finally finds out about the affair and doesn't do anything

>>18016257
But it's an arranged marriage, why would he care about her? All he's doing is watching real-time porn.

>>18016257
okay what the fuck I'm out
For real this reads like some shitty NTR hentai setup, to each their own but this is just not for me

>>18016271
why do you guys read and recommend this shit?

>>18016285
There are unironic cucks here, a bunch of them in fact.
There is a reason bakker is so popular here. Take any recommendation you get here with a heavy fistful of salt.

>>18016266
idk why hes even calling them christian values, complete subservience to family and state is chink values 101

>>18016285
Cuckold is the white man's fetish after all. Taking revenge is also against western values.

>>18016255
While medieval England was definitely a real place, many of the legends that took place there were made up; Likewise, while the historical plains and frontiers of the "wild west" existed, many of the legendary stories that took place either didn't happen at all, or were historical events twisted into legends (like the gunfight at the OK corral). The Civil War is a historical event so I didn't really count it as part of America's mythical western tradition

>portal wars saga
I keep hearing that the cuckshit in the first books is what starts the MC on a path to becoming more cruel and overall more willing to do evil shit for the greater good. Does this actually happen? I kind of dropped it halfway into the first book because it just read like a bad NTR doujin.

>>18016266
Matt 18:21

>>18016302
NTR might be a Japanese word but honestly theres so much cuckoldery in even classic western literature

>>18016314
The author used NTR in the first section of the series to generate buzz, then transitioned into typical fantasy schlock. It's basically xianxia.

>>18016338
For there to be forgiveness there needs to be repentence, and forgiveness does not mean escaping from the consequences of your actions.
If someone who raped and killed your daughter asks you for forgiveness you forgive him after bashing his skull in a rack until he stops moving.

>>18016367
Not according to Bloodline.

>read someone disliking Bloodline near me

>>18016314
Yes. He abandons all morals after he gets viciously ntr’d.

>>18016338
You realize you can forgive someone and still kill them right?

>>18016314
>>18016372
so its just western Rise of the Shield Hero?

>>18016314
Judging from later reviews the main character gradually becomes a power hungry madman.

>>18016375
Only if you're Yudhishthira. Acting on dharma with no personal hatred.

Anyone have any rec's for good anti-capitalist sci-fi. I know cyberpunk is like inherently anti-capitalist but I mean books that are overtly anticap. Thanks

Lindon is just a bitch. Someone could fuck that girlfriend of his and he'd just end up apologizing to them.

>>18016410
>anti-capitalist sci-fi.
99.9% of them, now fuck off.

>>18016381
Maybe except there wasn’t a cute raccoon girl to balance him out in this one.

>>18015568
Best Served Cold was so fucking bad.

>>18016421
thats why i specified ones which are overtly anti-cap. Maybe you missed that.

>>18016079
funny since no chink MC actually does that

>>18016492
It's clear who actually reads xianxia based on their responses. Chink MCs in the cultivation genre all become psychopaths in the end.

>>18016504
I dunno about other people but I don't like murderhobos. Though meek little cucks are just as bad.

>>18016302
>Cuckold is the white man's fetish after all.
This, but unironically. The very reason why brown people can't understand Bakker or cuckoldry is low IQ.

>>18016302
>>18016549
Nah, half of jav is cuckold porn.

>>18016604
Japanese are honorary whites

>>18016604
theres a difference between porn and cuck literature

>>18016604
a lot of that is netori (as in the focus is on the bull, you aren't supposed to self insert as the guy getting cucked) as opposed to netorare (self insert porn for pathetic losers who want to be cucked, not to cuck other guys)
funny thing they have though is netorase (convincing/forcing your wife to cuck you)

>>18016638
No, a lot of cuckshit in jav and hentai. Seems like you want to fit reality to some narrative you're pushing.

>>18016621
No there isn't.

I can’t believe we are having a discussion about porn.

>>18016658
This is /sffg/ without Sanderson and Bakker. There are literally no other redeeming authors in recent history worth discussing.

>>18016650
>t. low IQ
I'm sorry for your mental capacity is too limited to comprehend such fetishes, it's not your fault you were born like this.

>>18016663
I still can't believe it.

>>18016650
Anon, get a grip.

New thread.
>>18016683

>>18016663
Joe Abercrombie.

>>18016689
lol

>>18016658
hownew.ru

>>18016416
>Apologies. But I haven't broken her in yet so she is still very tight.

>>18016079
its the opposite of chinese. Anyone whose ever read any chinkshit knows that one of the main appeals to many people is that the characters arent infected with christian morality and if someone tries to kill them they will remorselessly kill them back without any handwringing. Lindon is a cuck character written by a cuck. I dont get why people accuse chinskhit protags of being murdrehobos when many of them are kind to strangers until someone tries to kill them. There are certainly some edgy xianxia novels but in MOST of the ones ive read the main characters wont just attack people, this is why you have the trope of the young master picking a fight and trying to kill the protaganist over a table at a restaurant or some shit. Christianity has literally given westerners an "if you kill your enemy he wins" cuck mentality. Reminds me of reading those Young Samurai books as a kid and the main antagonist was a kid the mcs age that kept trying to kill him, and at the end of every fucking book the mc would spare him. He kept coming back and trying to kill the mc and the mcs friends because killing someone trying to kill you is so unconcionable to round eye cattle until i dropped the series. Fuck this basedcharist mentality it ruins so much western fantasy.

>>18008250
What happened to the Hugos?

>>18017371
lol bitch should win an Ugo award

>>18017387
buhbuhbuhbased

>>18017075

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