/lit/ - Literature

>>17998061
He’s a lolbert who defended child slavery.

>>17998076
source?

do you have an argument that refutes his anti-state position?

>>17998061
I never trust the words "greatest", "thinker", "freedom", and "society" when applied to semites. It's usually better to assume that they're just one of the hundreds of fluffed-up mediocrities than to assume these words sincerely meaning anything at face value.

>>17998106
im the biggest anti-semite on this board, and i entered his body of works very skeptical, but i cant refute anything he has written. can you?

>>17998119
Rothbard’s writings block me to become an anti-semite. Is this a jewish trick too?

>>17998093
>source
The Ethics of Libert ch 14:
> The rights of children, even more than those of parents, have been systematically invaded by the state.Compulsory school attendance laws, endemic in the United States since the turn of this century, force children either into public schools or into private schools officially approved by the state." Supposedly "humanitarian" child labor laws have system- atically forcibly prevented children from entering the labor force, thereby privileging their adult competitors.

>>17998142
The whole part on children in The Ethics of Liberty is justification enough for Holocaust II.

>>17998137
No, i think one can still be anti-jewish and accept all of rothbards idea's. It's still jews who are the primary enemies of freedom. strangeley enough some of the best anti-jewish writers/thinkers are jewish, weininger, fischer

>>17998142
this is hardly a defence of 'child slavery'. slavery is where an individual is forced to performed labor against their will.

and he is 100% correct. when i was 12, i was more than capable and willing to enter the labor market and work at a local pizza store, but the state forbid under 16's from being employed. my employer had to break the law and pay me in cash. washing dishes and making dough is low skilled work which can be performed efficiently by children. in an economy which has been increasingly damaged by the state, and where unemployment is rampant, the state must take measures to lock certain people out of employment and ensure there is work for certain classes of people.

>>17998198
>this is hardly a defence of 'child slavery'. slavery is where an individual is forced to performed labor against their will.
I know but just read the whole chapter. Perhaps I should’ve posted more. He says parents shouldn’t have to take care of their kids and then that kids should be able to work. Frankly that’s just setting the stage for 5 year olds with no parents who “””consent”””(massive coercion) to working but are de facto slaves. I agree you should be able to work younger but it’s that in combination with the rest of his argument.

>>17998061
you know why

>>17998093

>>17998224
>1 component of his ideology is wrong, so therefore, everything he has ever written is wrong

why do human beings do this? why must they look at things so holistically? they see one part of something they dont like, so they throw the whole thing out of the window.

also, why did you exclude these quotes from your image?

>… the child must always have, regardless of age, the absolute freedom to run away, to get out from under. It is grotesque to think that the parents can actually own the child’s body as well as physical property; it is advocating slavery and denying the fundamental right of self ownership to permit such ownership of others, regardless of age. Therefore, the child must always be free to run away; he then becomes a self-owner whenever he chooses to exercise his right to run-away freedom.


>During the early years of babyhood, when the child is helpless and has few if any powers of self-ownership, he indeed becomes a kind of property of his creators, his parents. … the act of creation gives the parent, and not outside adults, jurisdiction over the baby. And yet, this ownership cannot be absolute, cannot involve the right of the parent to mutilate, maim, or murder the child, for this would be criminal aggression against the body of the child, who, being an independent human entity, cannot come under the absolute jurisdiction of anyone. The role of the parent, then, is to be, not an absolute owner, but a trustee-owner or guardian, with the right to regulate the child but not to aggress against his person (as by forcibly preventing him from running away). Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature, p. 149

>>17998061
Free market economics has been #debunked

>>17998305
How? Please share

>>17998319
>How?

>>17998061
Genuine question how does he tackle the Marxist theory of the state that it will arise regardless to protect property and class domination? I’m not even a Marxoid but I find it a pretty convincing argument against ancap.

>>17998372
is that natural inevitability a Marxist position? That's always been my natural intuition

>>17998319
MMT.
But please, I invite bitcoin to end banking. Prove it’s possible.

>>17998372
It's my understanding that 'ancap' is a private law society, ie a society that is structured solely around the recognition of private property. It's not literal anarchy in which there are no rules

Im not as familiar with Rothbard as I am with his student and successor, Hoppe, who does a much better job of explaining all this

https://mises.org/library/idea-private-law-society

>>17998389
>MMT advocate
>Tripfag cocksucking niggerkike

Yep, checks out

>>17998415
That’s the answer to the question asked.
Can’t you even read? Stupid fuck

>>17998426
You know, just naming something isn't an argument. First, define MMT. Second, describe how it 'debunks' free trade economics.

>>17998447
It appears to have debunked free market capitalism and forged right along with fiat currencies, without a care for debts or deficits. I don’t think it’s 100% Keynesianism, but probably related. But it’s rather suspicious that there’s only “socialism for the rich” and never enough for the lower classes.

>>17998484
how can pieces of state issued paper make society richer? if this is possible, why is there still poverty? every country in the world has a central bank, and thus has the power to issue new pieces of paper. how can poverty across the world be explained when the state has the power to create wealth?

>>17998505
dont expect an answer. all economic theory beyond the austrian school is based on magic. its basis is the idea that the state has the magic power to conjure wealth out of thin air. this is the maxim from which all non-austrian thought derives itself.

>>17998061
I eard he was a soviet agent

>>17998389
>MMT
Now you have to explain how the Modern Monetary Theory refuted the Austrian School

>>17998640
yeah that makes sense, if i was the USSR and i would send a jew to my capitalist enemy to be a massive advocate for pure free market capitalism and free market economics and slander all socialist theory

>>17998061
Rothbard is based. Only poorfags hate him

>>17998505
The whole world trades in dollars and there is a world bank, IMF and all that centralized stuff. Actual wealth comes from the control of resources the US and it’s banking have. They make sure poor nations stay poor. Argentina apparently does this trick where they go bankrupt... I donno how to describe it. It is just bullshit magic. Austrian school is no better.
In the Great Depression, Keynesianism says to deficit spend, spend yourself into a hole to feed and get the economy up and running. Once it doe so, pay off the deficit spending till you can save.
Cutting the military glut leftover from the Cold War , Clinton had a made a tiny savings, but it vanished into tax cuts or some other spending. No one wants to heed the advice of Keynes. Neoclassical liberal Austrian schoolers just like to use him as a piñata.
But now we have a “Chicago school” for neoliberalism.

>>17998648
By existing.
You tell us the rest.

>>17998640
>>17998674
I've seen the same said about Rand, however, you're the ones falling for the psyop.

>>17998757
wealth is physical goods, specifically an abundance of goods. poverty is a scarcity of physical goods. i ask you again; how can pieces of state issued paper make society wealthier?

The burden of proof is on you. You have made the inane, arbitrary claim that 'MMT'(whatever that is) 'debunks' free trade theory. When asked to define it, you cannot, and when asked to explain why it debunks free trade theory, you simply say 'by existing'.

i have seen your posts throughout this board for several months now in the rare occasions i come here, and they are of consistently low quality. i think it would be best for your own sake and everyone here that you withdrew yourself from this website.

>>17998223
I don't have a copy handy, but I also remember this chapter arguing that it was perfectly acceptable for a parent to starve a child to death because that wasn't violence.

>>17998887
Libertarians literally invented an entire ethical system around letting poorfags suffer LOL

>>17998802
Are you ESL?

>whoever gots more stuff is de welfiest!

>>17998061
>why is he virtually unknown
I know him, and so does anyone who ever took a political science 101 class in the US. He’s one of the most influential Chicago Boys. But people rightly dismiss him because he — like all the other Chicago Boys — was wrong about everything.

>>17998951
>most influential Chicago Boys
HA! Never knew Pinochet’s economy was based on this hack?

>>17998223
Move to a country that actually has freedoms then dumb fuck. I was working at 13.

>>17998272
If 1 component is wrong, there's a high probability all of it is wrong.

>>17998640
Lolwut

>>17998974
I was at 14 what’s ur point?

>>17998484
>debunked free market capitalism
You're living in a free market capitalism world, whether you know it or not.

>The whole world trades in dollars and there is a world bank, IMF and all that centralized stuff. Actual wealth comes from the control of resources
Why is it that you're right about this, but completely fucking wrong about free market capitalism? You don't think that isn't still some people who trade in physical resources as oppose to fiat currency?

>>17998484
Do you think that the people who manipulate fiat currencies for slave labour don't trade in physical resources with eachother?

>>17998951
>Rothbard
>Chicago boy

>>17998142
christ.

>>17998119
0/5
I have to say no cant. As i havent read any lolbert. Their so blatantly faulty premises and conludions are enough reason not to.

>>17999120
ain't nothing laissez faire about it

>>17998802
>i think it would be best for your own sake and everyone here that you withdrew yourself from this website.

if only!

>>17999151
So no? So confused. What’s the difference again?

>>17998061
He's a member of the synagogue of Satan.

>>17998061
Bad PR

Rothbard was a very early adopter of Holocaust denial which is pretty funny.

Buddha is King

>>18000000
Wasted

>>17998061
Same goes for the likes of Mises, Hayek, Böhm-Bawerk et al.

>>18000000
南无阿弥陀佛

>>18000000
El Buddho Basado

>>18000000
Call me a convert

>>18000000
From this day forth, /lit/ is officially a Buddhist board.

>>18000000
Christcucks BTFO

>>18000097
Reject Libertarianism
Embrace B V D D H I S M

>>18000000
metreya is comin

Ah yes, a soulless libertarian Jew.

>>18000000
Guess we're Buddhists til the 19000000 get
youtube.com/watch?v=I_NStTkSRQw

>>18000000
Nice

>>18000000
HOLLLLLY BASED

>>18000000

>>18000000
Witnessed

>>18000000
>8 fold noble path
>6 zeroes - 6 sense bases
>zero - non-being

>>18000000
amida sama ... i kneel

>>18000000
I kneel...

>>18000000
AMITUOFO

>>17998505
It can't but putting resources to work that otherwise wouldn't be utilized can generate wealth. Most countries deal with poverty by placing hope on foreign investment saving them or deal with unemployment by rationalizing it. Liberals tend to claim a skills mismatch exists (e.g. people need to learn to code) and conservatives claim people are lazy or need to lower their standards more.
Also not every country has a currency issuing central bank e.g. in the Eurozone countries are users of the Euro which is issued by the ECB, governments can only get Euros by issuing bonds or taxing but they can't just directly spend Euros. Also a lot of economies use the USD, countries tend to dollarize after experiencing hyperinflation or they have no idea what they're doing
>>17998625
You're of course pulling shit out of your ass. Mises didn't die a rich man because he couldn't play the markets. Most economists are conservative and against state action generally so don't claim otherwise. FYI a lot of modern Austrians have come to claim cryptocurrencies are in fact wealth, that's private but it comes out of thin air and there's noting stopping you from issuing a new shitcoin
>>17999516
Chicago school refers to Milton Friedman, methodologically Friedman and Rothbard are totally different since Friedman accepted statistics and aggregated data as meaningful. Friedman was against the gold standard and for central banks having a monopoly on money and targeting growth. Of course he was famous for claiming there was a tight correlation between "money supply" and CPI (of course that totally broke down in modern times).

>>17999516
Everyday more and more ugly.

>>17998198
imagine being this much of a born wageslave. literally at 12 years old BEGGING for a boss and integration into the wagie ecosystem. jesus christ you people are slavish to an absurd degree, its fuckin outrageous. the goal should be not to work! even little kids know that play is nobler than work (except you apparently LOL)

>>18000000
Based

>>17998061
Rothbard is probably the hackiest of libertarians. I think only Hoppe is a bigger hack than he is. His philosophical work is unironically the shoddiest, lousiest, worst put together shit I've ever read in my life.

>>18000000
Tathagatha san... i kneel...

>>17998272
>1 component of his ideology is wrong, so therefore, everything he has ever written is wrong

If this 1 component is wrong, and if this component follows naturally from the premises that he puts, then the premises are wrong too.

>>18000000
I kne-- no I meditate

>>17998061
More people should know he was a klansman

>>18000000
Nice

>>18001512
source

>>18000000
witnessed

>>17998061
The longer he remains in obscurity the better. We don't need lolbertarian greed to proliferate further

>>17998997
>>18001161
His premise is right. Rothbard clearly supports complete ownership over your own body including not being forced to feed someone. A parent only owns his or her child in a trustee relationship. meaning as long as the child is ok with it.
>>17998223
The marxist theory that working at mcdonalds is explotation is BS. You may not like what rothbard has to say but anything else wouldn't be consistent with his ideas.

>>18001150
Example?

>>18000000
Witness to history. Praise Buddha!

What's up with jews attributing intrinsic value to gold lmao fuck that it's retarded what are you gonna do with all that gold, eat it

>>17998061
I know no clue. Its a shame Murray is unknown to the youth but marx is. I guess marxism is appealing to soft brains and teenagers

>>18000156
And KKK supporter

>>18000000

>>17998198
you clearly have not read rothbard

>>17998061
Even tho he made some immoral claims he was right about many thing

>>18002382
kinda yikesy

>>18002240
>Rothbard clearly supports complete ownership over your own body including not being forced to feed someone.

True, Rothbard never argued that children should be formal slaves of parents. Children have the formal right to run away. But how many of them would actually do it, and what support network would be there to help them, especially when they have no property of their own?

In practice, such a social arrangement essentially means that, in practice, a network of trafficking children for labor or sex will quickly develop. Even if the child is somehow able to run away (since there are no protective services anymore), the choice is between labor/sexual exploitation or starving in the streets.

And parents should be forced to feed their children. Letting your child starve to death should be a crime in any civilized society.

>>18002240
>>His premise is right. Rothbard clearly supports complete ownership over your own body
if you own your body, then why does your body gets sick against your will

>>17999120
>You're living in a free market capitalism world,
Its extremely capitalist though not particularly free. But a free market, as long as humans as we know them exist, will tend towards what we have because regulatory capture maximizes return on ones own capital, and because the NAP is a fantasy on par with utopian socialism

>>18002382
best part about this k*i*k*e

>>17998625
>>17998802
Extremely based.

>>17998061
It's not wonder that the greatest Libertarian "thinker" is a Jew. You have to be a kike to be that spiritually greedy and sociopathic.

>>18000000
南无阿弥陀佛

Attention lolbertarians, defend and convince me that the non-aggression principle is the only thing we should live by. You have 5 seconds.

>>18000000
Based and Buddha pilled.

>>17998142
>>17998076
Rothbard is against slavery dipshit. Oh, you actually meant child labor? Yah, so the fuck what? Better than wasting their time in public schools.
PRO TIP. Some countries are so fucking poor that without a job those kid's would fucking starve and their parents would legitimately sell them or they would end up as street prostitutes.

>>17998061
Nice bait.

>>18002240
>ownership over your own body
If Descartes could have seen the retardation he lead us to, he would never have written.

>>18000000
Hehe, swastika

>>18002523
>Hurr durr, if you own a car, why does it eventually breakdown.

>>18000000
wtf im on the path to nirvana now

>>18002474
>True, Rothbard never argued that children should be formal slaves of parents. Children have the formal right to run away. But how many of them would actually do it, and what support network would be there to help them, especially when they have no property of their own?

This is where child selling comes in. with adoption no longer being regulated by the state it would be much easier for orphans to have parents.

>In practice, such a social arrangement essentially means that, in practice, a network of trafficking children for labor or sex will quickly develop. Even if the child is somehow able to run away (since there are no protective services anymore), the choice is between labor/sexual exploitation or starving in the streets.

There would be no network because children would consent to labour or sex of their own volition. Anything else would be aggression. also a anarchist society does not mean that there are no LPC (law police courts). Read the machinery of freedom by david friedman for an idea on how that would work or anything on polycentric law.

>And parents should be forced to feed their children. Letting your child starve to death should be a crime in any civilized society.

Why? Most people do it without being forced
>>18002523
That is a subconscious action and doesnt fall under praxeology (basically the study of action you can control) which is what rothbard talks about in his books.
>>18004074 this anon gets it

>>18000000
南无阿弥陀佛

>>18000000
Mr. Lama was right.

>>18000000
You are in good company, picrel

>>18000000
throwing away all my Blu-Rays and CDs as we speak

>>18000000
Siddhartha has been elevated from intro /lit/ core to board manifesto, congratulations Hermann

>>18000000
What is this...thing sullying the sanctity of the area?

>>18005682
Flush yourself

>>18005741
Dilate

>>18005682
a man probably

>>18003631
Child labour is bad and you are dumb

>>17998061
I'm so tired of the Peterson/ Shapiro crowd that infested 4chan around 2016, I am almost happy to see that ancap kiddies are making a comeback

>>18005331
>>>/pol/77777777