/lit/ - Literature

>>17989354
I don't agree with McCarthy when he says that Proust and James aren't literature, but damn they are boring

The Talmud isn’t even a religious text. It’s just a business manual.

>>17989354

Shakespeare is underrated.

>>17989354
The holy Bible is secondary (indirect) money metaphysics. Ordinary books of metaphysics are direct or primary. The Bible claims that you have a metaphysical condition called sin and that you must pay money in order to illuminate sin from your body. Other works of metaphysics merely propose systems that are pleasing to the sense Of make believe. So direct money metaphysics are drugs and indirect money metaphysics are biological weapons.

>>17989354
Quran is from Allah

>Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.

I think this is one of the most overrated lines in literature. It has no meaning. It just sounds neat and smart, but it means nothing.

>>17989416
shut the fuck up

Anything involving this book.

>>17989425
> Happy families are all happy in different ways; unhappy families are all unhappy in the same way.

>>17989354
Here are my main literary tripes

>Don Quixote
good but cumbersome. Definitely not the greatest novel ever.

>Lolita
Poorly written and boring

>The Bruce
The greatest English poem

>Hrotsvit
Her poetry is better than her plays both in Latin style and content

>Old English
A superior literary language to Old French and any of its dialects.

>Hesiod over Homer. Euripides over Sophocles. Lucan over Virgil. Chaucer over Shakespeare. Marie de France over Chretien de Troyes. Dostoevsky over Tolstoy. Henry James over Dickens.

>>17989354
Phenomenology of Spirit isn't all it's cracked up to be.

>>17989464
Best answer

>>17989354
The Trial is not about politics in any form and cannot be lumped in with middle school-tier dystopias à la Huxley and Orwell, or with Joseph Heller for that matter.

>>17989388
?

>>17989354
As I Lay Dying and Blood Meridian are awful books and shouldn't be on the /lit/ starter pack.

Lenin is one of the greatest philosophers

>>Hesiod over Homer. Euripides over Sophocles. Lucan over Virgil. Chaucer over Shakespeare. Marie de France over Chretien de Troyes. Dostoevsky over Tolstoy. Henry James over Dickens.
All correct. What a king.

Philosophy is not only gay but a waste of time

Poetry is gay

There's almost no non-fiction books worth reading

>>17989864
Your a fucking moron

>>17989354
Blood Meridian is the only truly great American book of the last 50 years.

McCarthy is better t

>>17989893
finally, the correct opinion

>>17989877
Thank you sir

>>17989464
Winner

>>17989354
Crime and Punishment is 75% longer than it needs to be.

Goethe is a German forced meme, they needed their own Dante Shakespeare Cervantes for nationalistic reasons in the 1800s, and decided to make Goethe that.

Dubliners is a very boring book

>>17989864
They are great books but shouldn't be on the starter pack, I agree.

>>17989818
See?

On this board, just talk about the superiority of English and French literature and you trigger tons of Hispanics, Germans, Slavs, etc. I still have yet to see a reasonable rebuttal of my opinion which more and more to me seems fact. Don Quixote is a shamble of a novel and the rest is in the dustbin, the Russians peaked early and just copied the French, the Germans only produce philosophy, etc. Americans, Englishmen, and Frenchmen have everything.

>>17989464
Woah the memebook a paperback now?

>>17990471
to piggyback on this, anons here only shit on American literature because they don't like Americans, not because of the quality of the literature itself

>>17989695
>>Lolita
>Poorly written
Honestly don’t understand how people can think this.

>>17989354
American Psycho is about homosexuality and anyone who doesn't evaluate it at least partially through this lens doesn't get it.
>>17989750
Wait, people actually think The Trial is a dystopia? Damn public schools are rarted.

>>17990471
>the Russians peaked early

So you don't like Tolstoy or Chekov? There are barely any French authors worth reading from after WW1 either

>>17990729
Americans are so narcissistic that they take any attack on something America made as an attack on America itself. They are so tightly consumed in capitalist dogma that they are incapable of distinguishing between themselves and what their country produces.

Keep in mind that I will not assert that BM is the only good American lit (or even the best) of the past 50 years; there's simply not enough time for me to read it all and come to a good conclusion. I will say that BM is grotesquely overrated for its use of archaic language and the "intelligent" way McCarthy leaves out details he lacks the eloquence to describe.

>>17989354
I read books

>>17990471
>the Russians peaked early and just copied the French
No shit nigga. The entire culture of the Russian noble caste after Peter the Great was built around sucking French dick.

>>17990712

Yeah, amazon self published.

On the Road is boring. It might have been ground breaking in the 50s but it doesn'thold up 70 years later

>>17989695
>Don Quixote
>good but cumbersome. Definitely not the greatest novel ever.
Don Quixote literally has no plot. I love everything else about it though.

>>17991874
Don Quixote is the story of Sancho Panza fulfilling his dream

>>17989354
A whole flock of aunts said "The Alchemist" was the best book they read. I laughed in their faces.

>>17989893
this

>>17989877
Euripides is obviously better than Sophocles.
For me the ending of Stoner: honestly cringeworthy the way it idolises his life in his passing.

Gravity's Rainbow is Pynch trying too hard. It's extremely self-conscious.

>>17992049
Pynch in general is overrated. Crying Lot of 49 was fucking boring.

>>17990471
>Don Quixote
>Shamble of a novel
Do burgers really?

>>17989354
A clockwork orange is just fine.

>>17989354
Hemingway is massively overrated and boring writer posturing as manly man because his mom dressed him like a girl when he was young. There are like 3 interesting quotes in his entire work and none of them are that interesting or original.

>>17992005
They were talking about Ben Johnson's The Alchemist you dunce

>>17989354
harry potter has the best consumable writing. rowling is extremely skilled at keeping the pacing and flow of sentences at 10/10. feel free to call me a kid or a moron or whatever, other writers just aren't as skilled at it, they do other things better tho ofc.

>>17989354
Bronze Age Mindset is unironically the best book from the last decade

the Trial is about K being in purgatory

>>17989893
>There's almost no non-fiction books worth reading
You a slav by any chance? Note that I am only asking this because of the way you worded it.

>>17990020
all Dosto is

I don't think Attila József's poetry is all that good.

Anna Karenina made me dislike Tolstoy. So much about the book at him can be summarized as "grass is always greener" and especially his larping as a paesant. His view on christianity about getting salvaged on Earth proves that he believed in his own self-esteem more than anything else, which is not rarely the case among religious people, let alone christians. Sadly, he was never content or fullfilled with his life's works whether it be novels, philosophy or economic theories. I'm still to read more of his short stories and War and Peace but it's not gonna be anytime soon since Anna despite her large upside has also an atrociously boring downside.
>>17989416
Yep, pretty crazy how this book can have so many great life-like lines, but starts with such corny trash. It's almost like he had some sudden idea that only seems reasonable for 5 minutes until you actually think about it and he just wrote it before forgetting about it forever.

>>17992939
No but I have been studying Russian on and off for 5+ years

>>17989695
>Don Quixote
>cumbersome
It's one of the easiest reads I've ever had, lol. You know what's actually cumbersome? The fucking The Unbearable Lightness of Being. This incoherent retroactively butthurt pile of post-modernist trash is borderline impossible to read, let alone enjoy.

>>17993282
Someone finally said it. I got memed into reading this trash.

A Farewell to Arms is overrated as fuck. Not only the plot is plain flat, but the supposed horrors of the war that the main character is trying to escape are better and with far more touching atmosphere described is the god damn Good Soldier Schweik of all boors. That is on top of the written language of the book being ...well, how do I put it? Of garbage quality. I'd struggle to bring up another book I've read that had such a clumsy and hacked down vocabulary.
Like, what the hell did I even read, is this the renowned English literature? Jesus, god help you Anglos if it is, because after reading it I have a feeling that Fitzgerald was just a pleasant exception.

>>17993359
Have you read For Whom The Bell Tolls?

>>17989354
The Ego and its Own

>>17989893
Fucking this. Philosophy written in fiction is fine, but pure philosophy is pretentious as hell. It's just literal autism incarnate.

>>17989354
jews and woman ruined USA book publishing.

>>17989641
based

>>17993366
I wanted to, but I'm having second thoughts after reading A Farewell to Arms. Is it better written? I don't think I'll be able to bear through another tongue-tied text like that. Oh god, and I forgot to mention all the repetitions in dialogues, the fucking unending never ceasing stream of god damn repetitions. Ugh.

This thread reminds me of why lit sucks

>>17989354
Don DeLillo 'White Noise'. Literally the worst book I have ever read, it actually put me off reading for a couple months because it sucked the soul out of me and left me with no passion for books.

Lord Byron is not merely the greatest Romantic poet, he is the greatest post-Classical poet.

>>17989416
>>17989641
Imagine getting filtered by a simple idea that in the human mind the happiness is always fleeting while unhappiness is impending. Happy families are all alike because in human mind it is irrelevant through which peculiar way was the happiness achieved. Every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way because it is always a very particular thing that breaks the happiness, it's different for everyone and human mind always notices it. You don't concentrate on the feel of your entire skin area when you're in calm, but when you get a splinter you concentrate of a very particular part of your skin. It's so elementary simply, how the hell anyone can even struggle with this? What are you, fucking 15?

>>17993359
>claims Good soldier Schweik is better than A Farewell to Arms
unfathomable base

Marxism is as antiquated as phrenology and belongs in the 19th century with the rise of industrialism.

>>17993473
It legit is. A Farewell to Arms is a poorly written unimaginative plain wannabe drama. Good soldier Schweik is sparkling, clever, both satirical and dramatic where it's due and deals with real human emotions in the face of the world war horror, not the plain sad cardboard figurines Hemingway imagined. The birch cross with a helmet hanging on under the rain scene alone makes Schweik better than the whole A Farewell to Arms with all its repetitive pointless dialogues, forgettable sights of war and its cardboard love and drama of it. "What if she dies? What if? What if? What if? What if she dies? What if? What if? What if? She can't die. What if? What if? What if? What if? What if? ... ... ..." - yeah, what if you wrote a good book, cunt?

>>17991504
>the "intelligent" way McCarthy leaves out details he lacks the eloquence to describe.
Like what? After writing BM, what can he possibly lack in "eloquence"?

>>17993447
Pushkin wants a word with you.

>>17993502
I legit audibly chuckled when I was reading de Balzac and in the middle of the text he suddenly began going into details on how chiromancy is a growing and promising scientific discipline. THE FUCKING CHIROMANCY. Never read anything from him again, I just can't take him seriously since then.

>>17989893
this

>>17993605
Balzac was very taken with mysticism, and I think the most unpleasant part about his writing is how much credence and due diligence he gives strange belief systems. But Paris was that way in his time, lots of mysticism, lots of dubious beliefs and psychics and astrologers.

>>17989354
Most of the short stories in "Dubliners" are estremely boring. Expecially the last one, which is interesting only in its finale
>>17989365
Proust in his main opera has so many dull moments, but also many others extremely interesting
>>17989381
I've never read it, but an old "friend" of mine who studied it said exactly the same thing

The Gita is bog roll.

>>17993669
Yeah, but it's one thing to be taken by mysticism and it's a completely another to give them scientific credence with a straight face. He didn't just explore the idea, he legit jump headlong into claiming it's a prospective scientific method. Seriously, he should've stuck with describing the biography of Louis Philippe in even more detail if that's even possible in fiction, than with pandering literal quackery. I get what you're trying to say, but shit like this is one of the rather few things that I just physically can't bear through.

>>17991898
WHERE IS MY ISLAND YOU HACK?!

>>17993464
based. those guys are retarded.

>>17992930
Elaborate?

>>17989893
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>>17993387
>>17993648
this. so much this.

>>17993858
And on top of that it's also a clear reference to the belief that the happiness is universal while unhappiness is multifarious, in the same way as the Christian belief that there is one universal all-loving god and infinite ways to condemn oneself for hell and torment by turning away from him. This is such an obvious concept, just how ignorant one must be to not grasp it.

poetry is the ultimate filter

translated poetry has merit as much as the original

>>17989893
There's nothing inherently LGBTQ about poetry—at the risk of literal interpretation. It's merely a literary mode that has its roots in bucolic singing and storytelling. However, it's certainly true that modern notions of romance have affected how poetry is perceived. Thematically it could be about almost anything: war, mythology, satire, nature, etc. Much the same with prose—although here the style is often looser (if not plainer). Unfortunately, there are prose tales that far exceed the gayness of feeble verse.

>>17991503
No, definitely not. They're just derivative of French models. I'd rather go to the sauce.

>>17989354
Most of the popular Russian classics are overrated. Especially Leo Tolstoy, but Dostoyevsky isn't that great either. As such whenever I see people talking about these I low key think they're pseuds.

>>17994908
This. Conrad explores a lot of the same psychological themes, doesn't limit the settings of his stories to 19th century Russia, and does it all in a lot less pages than Dostoevsky or Tolstoy does

>>17994919
Even among Russians themselves, Lermontov's prose is stunning and Bulgakov did manage to write one of the best novels in history. Meanwhile people low key waste time reading books authors of which were paid by number of pages submitted.

>>17993387
Yeah, that's what makes it so good

>>17989354
The Myth of Sisyphus is very good

reading translated classics doesn't count

>>17995062
No, because all their bullshit theories break against just one question: "Says fucking who?".

>>17994919
>Getting filtered by elaborate dialogue and prose
Very good, the less zoomers consume Tolstoy and Dostoyevskiy, the less retarded confused degenerate bullshit they spew out trying to "analyze" them.

>>17989354
Kierkegaard is better than Camus who is better than Sartre

>>17989354
I prefer the audiobook.

Come at me.

>>17994974
>Lermontov's prose is stunning and Bulgakov did manage to write one of the best novels in history
And this is supposed to diminish the brilliance of Tolstoy or Dostoyevskiy in what way exactly? Why are you even contraposing them in the first place?
>Hurr durr too long
Is this a thing now? If you can't feel the genuine life that is bleeding through their lines precisely due to how elaborate are their narrations then maybe it's better to stick to 200 pages long "novels" that wouldn't challenge your attention span too much.

>>17995285
Depends on the audiobook and the narrator, but yeah, pretentious retards can't fathom being an adult and not having enough time to actually sit and read.

Solzhenitsyn is BASED and anyone who disagrees is a pseudo-intellectual dilettante who doesn't read and molds their opinions off of chart threads.

>>17995335
You can literally read while taking a shit. I'm 28 and read at least 1 hour per day before going to bed, 15 minutes in the morning and 1 hour at work breaks, making it 2h15m. Provided you're a brainlet let's say you take 2 minutes per page, that's 67 pages per day.
I'm not against audiobooks, but am to people that are lazy or say they read, when they got someone to read to them.

C&P was better than TBK
>>17995367
Based
>>17995335
Redpilled

>>17994919
Conrad is infinitely superior to the Rooshians. Most people are unaware that authors published serially and we're paid by the page so kudos to you. Phonefagging so I am unaware if it was you or someone else who said that.

Jane Austen, Charles Dickens, George Eliot, Henry James, Thomas Hardy, and D. H. Lawrence are superior to Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and the rest of the Rooshians. Why on earth would I care about some guy who has dreams about donkeys getting bitch slapped?

>>17995820
What is I don't want to read while taking a shit? What if I don't want to read for just one hour? My job allows me to listen audiobooks 9 hours a day and I "read" a metric fuckton in a year, literally every working day for 9 hours, without it interfering with other activities and family. Lazy people wont read or listen, I just have a problem with pretentious retards who think audiobooks is an unacceptable way of reading.

>>17995886
>>17995886
>Rooshians
Fuck off back to /pol/, kid.

>>17995974
Not anon, but audiobooks aren’t «reading»: they are «listening». That’s a pretty valuable skill to develop, but not the same. I’m not so sure how it affects the distilled knowledge of a book, but that’s another debate.

>>17989354
Crime and Punishment is boring and really overrated.

Gogol and Tolstoy were better writers than Dosto

Moby Dick is just not a well written novel.

>>17996039
There are some opinions that you don’t say out loud because they’re so obviously retarded

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>>17993648
>”I’m too retarded to understand it so therefore it’s bad”

>>17991513
Wow fuck you

>>17989354
It isn't unpopular on this sub, but there are a lot of reasons to read literature that aren't just entertainment. If you need literature to be entertaining, a story, or to have relatable/sympathetic main characters then it's very likely that your opinions on literature are immature as hell

>>17989750
I didn't even consider it political. Of course it takes a jab at the bureaucrats, but it's mainly about existential angst

>>17996039
are you one of those adverb haters

>>17996000
This right here. It even works different parts of the brain. In my case I can't concentrate as much on audiobooks.

>>17989354
It isn't unpopular on this board, but there are a lot of reasons to read literature outside of entertainment. Books do not need to have sympathetic protagonists, or even fun. Disagreeing with this makes you nearly as bad as people who say stupid shit like "the curtains are blue hurr hurr hurr" or whatever.

Reading culture is the most insufferable shit in the world. I'm not talking about people who read, but people who have this deep need for you to know about their love and passion for books. I love tea! Look at the cat purring in my lap. I love rain and Wes Anderson Movies and check out my bookshelf filled with conspicuously pristine spines.

It's this love for an aesthetic built around consumption that's really fucking nauseating, it's basically the twee version of those awful gamer keyboards and chairs. Dudes are guilty of this as well. Smoking and alcoholism are the naruto headbands of wannabe male writers and it's the woooooooooooooorst.

>>17989695
>Lolita
>Poorly written

defend this

>>17990020
this but for demons

>>17993464
>Happy families are all alike because in human mind it is irrelevant through which peculiar way was the happiness achieved.
>it is irrelevant
for you.

>>17994170
can any other anons back this up? I want to read poets like homer and Pushkin but have been afraid to

>>17996353
Is there any reason not to read poetry? Read some, and if you like it, continue. If not, don't.
Personally, I didn't care at all for poetry until I read Wilfred Owen.

>>17989695
>>Lolita
>Poorly written and boring
So true I couldn't even finish that overrated garbage

>>17996617
I meant the translation part

>>17996000
>That’s a pretty valuable skill to develop
Good that we are not talking about 5 y/o kids but about adults.

>>17995974
I’m not against audiobooks- like at all, I think they are great for people who don’t have time to sit down.
That said- it’s definitely not “reading”, you are listening.

It’s inherently a more passive experience- and in my opinion- not as fulfilling as being the reader.

>>17989893
/thread
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>>17996793
>That said- it’s definitely not “reading”, you are listening.
Sure, but come on, that's vocabulary, you know what is meant.
>It’s inherently a more passive experience
This is true, no doubt. But it's not the disastrous experience that autists want it to be.
>- and in my opinion- not as fulfilling as being the reader.
Eeeeeh, this depends on the reader and general pronunciation and sound design. There are some readers that are unbearable, but there are also many that are so exceptionally good that I wouldn't've read it better in my mind.
In general, an audiobook is absolutely not a fair replacement to reading the text on your own, but it's also not an inferiour experience, that is if it's a good audiobook.

>>17996022
>Gogol and Tolstoy were better writers than Dosto
In what way? All three are vastly different from each other.

>>17996039
>Moby Dick
In general interestingly alternating narrative and encyclopedic moments are spoiled by the periodic departure into absolutely inappropriate clumsy mysticism and episodes of everyday life, which simply cannot be called anything else but latent-homoerotic. Why this is in this book is not clear either during reading or after. The epic, book-long lead to confrontation with the power of nature and to insane revenge on the animal ends up crumpled.

>>17997063
I agree with most of what you are saying,
Though I disagree it’s not an inferior experience- at least for me personally.

But I’m somebody who likes to re-read passages, flip back pages and make sure I understand- or find connections.

I think two things are true.
One- that audiobooks are totally viable alternative to reading, and anyone looking down on people for it is autism personified.

Two- it’s not the same thing as reading by it yourself. Especially for more challenging and complex material that demands more from the reader. And it’s disingenuous to pretend otherwise.

For me- I have enjoyed audiobooks, but I don’t get the same sense of accomplishment, fulfilment, or meaning out of them that I do when I read it myself.

>>17992099
Sadly

>>17997086
In every way desu

>>17994170
>translated poetry has merit as much as the original
Based.
>>17996353
>can any other anons back this up?
Yes. I'm Russian and this translation of Borodino is as faithful and epic as the original:
https://ruverses.com/mikhail-lermontov/borodino/1830/
That is, for instance. I've read really faithful translations of Yesenin, Pushkin, Brodskiy. But don't be fooled into reading some other trash that is just basically google translate.

>>17997127
>One- that audiobooks are totally viable alternative to reading, and anyone looking down on people for it is autism personified.
>Two- it’s not the same thing as reading by it yourself.
Well, we fully agree then. One thing I got to say about your second point is that there do exist, at least in Russian, the narrators that are legit genius sound actors who, so far as I heard them, never failed to grasp and translate through their acting every tiniest bit of emotion.
>but I don’t get the same sense of accomplishment, fulfilment, or meaning out of them that I do when I read it myself
Same, that's just how it is. I woe that I can't read as much in paper as I can listen audiobooks, but oh well.

>>17997190
So in no way then, since you failed to specify literally anything.

>>17989365
I feel like i’m in the minority of people that don’t find James Joyce boring. It might be because I was raised irish catholic so reading him is just nostalgic but I feel like he’s really entertaining.

>>17989354
The bible was not divinely inspired, written.

It is entirely man made.

>>17997265
desu this is a big reason why Portrait is one of my favourite books of all time. I went to a Jesuit school and although it obviously wasn't like it was for Joyce 100+ years ago, it's still very nostalgic and true to life.

>>17997277
Grass is green, more news at 11. Read Bulgakov, nigga.

Believe in this case, McCarthy was talking about Henry James and not James Joyce

>>17996085
How can you react like this and think you're superior in any way?

>>17991168
I study rhetoric that's how.

>>17993282
Part one of DQ was very light. Part 2 was far more patchy for me.

>>17996203
Not going to go pull out my copy to quote it. But in classical rhetoric up to the modern period it is considered good writing/speaking to use rhetorical tropes in a way that does not betray the fictus of creating them (which is to my personal taste). Nabokov utterly fails at this. His use of rhetorical tropes is far too heavy handed. This makes his writing seem more contrived than natural. He has many well crafted sentences but when every other sentence reads like a larp of Geoffrey of Vinsauf (who he probably didn't read) or Cicero (who he probably did read), the work just loses its flavor for me. For prose stylists who I think successfully use rhetorical tropes the way Nabokov wished to use them see Henry James, Victor Hugo, or Bulgakov.

>>17997289
>Red Bulgakov

Why?

>>17997289
Fuck off, East Orthodox Cuck

>>17993464
Imagine being this guy.

>>17989354
Forever War? More like Forever Bore

>>17997630
Yeah, it gets a little bit, idk, prolonged at that point, but ultimately I was caught by a surprise with how easy it is to read. Going into it I genuinely expected some legit obsolete cumbersome language and narration, but by god it's almost as easy to read as the Good Soldier Schweik. The one and only "complain" I have about it is that it has that one toilet humor episode and it really feels out of place, but in a strange way: it's funny to realize that jokes as low as "LOL DUDE he's taking a dump standing up" are present is such a renowned literature, but in the same way it gives you an extremely realistic perspective on the humor and how it was always about literal shit sometimes, regardless of time period.

>>17997759
>East Orthodox
>Cuck
Doesn't compute, cucktholic. Cucked by what? Enjoy either your glorified bishop of Rome being the literal Anti-Christ or your schismatic heretic "church" promoting faggotry on tiktok. Fucking degenerate, I pray for your soul.

>>17997743
Because he explores the idea of the Bible being a product of human thought and error.

>>17989354
Trump's books--Art of the Deal, Crippled America, etc--were pretty good. WAY better than the usual political horseshit like 'It Takes A Village.'

>>17989354
Shaw's plays are INFINITELY better, more enjoyable and more interesting than Shakespeare's.

>>17989354
Amanda Gorman's poetry reads like the drivel of a ten-year-old retard, and the people gushing over it and over her know it.

>>17989695
>Chaucer over Shakespeare
Actually based opinion

>>17996085
You're projecting

>>17989414
Allah doesn't exist, Muhammad was a fraud, and the Quran is a scam

>>17991496
fantastic take

>>17994122
yes anon, 'the obvious' went over their heads. Brainlets baka

>>17989695
So you just come on /lit/ to larp as Ezra Pound lol

>>17998216
Chaucer's ability to satarize people at all levels of medieval society is sorely overlooked.

>>17998307
Funnily enough I've only read a handful of the cantos. I'm a grad student in medieval studies so I don't have much time for any other reading sadly.

>>17997816
I'm a Lutheran you Slav Cathcuck copycat

>>17997828
Does he end up justifying it all by the end of it?

>>17989381
it's a legal code

>>17997265
McCarthy is talking about Henry James not Joyce. Joyce is one of his favourites.

>>17998395
>Lutheran
So a twice schismatic heretic then. Enjoy being cucked form the bliss of the faith in salvation, I heard you degenerates also believe in a "purgatory".

>>17989354
fuck you, go back to twitter

>>17998405
No, to my understanding much on the contrary -- he laughs off the human err perception of Christ.

>>17989381
It's called "the ways of the elders"for a reason.
they workship demons tho

>>17989407
>you must pay money in order to illuminate sin from your body.
you what?

>>17989893
this except the exact opposite

>>17989893
>poor excuse of a bait
>this many pople taking it seriously
4chan is normie now

>>17997204
what is a good Eugene oenigin translation?

>>17989464
Correct choice.

>>17998613
But that's the correct opinion

>>17998535
read weber's protestant ethic and the spirit of capitalism as well as augustine

Russian literature is dull

>>17992049
You can say this for TCoL49 and V. but not for GR, it's too good.

Moby Dick is just poor man's Jules Verne


Dostoyevsky shits on Tolstoi in every way

Goethe is overrated as fuck and unreadable

Non-western cultures have never produced literature worth reading

>>17989354
Chinua Achebe was a mediocre academic and his critiques of Conrad can only be understood as the misunderstandings of a nonnative English speaker.

>>17997816
>>17998395
Neither of you are being charitable and should be ashamed of yourselves for acting this way and parading Christ about as you do.

>>17998613
How is it bait? It's true.

1984 is a really good book for what it is, despite its cringy fanbase and being hijacked by idiots on both the left and the right to shoehorn it into their respective beliefs

Brave New World is an obnoxious obsolete retrofuturistic fantasy in its absolute levels of autism second only to the movie The Purge. And as if that wasn't enough, the ending is a pile of smoking hot garbage. It fails on every level of narration. It puzzles my why such a piece of shit of a book is so universally renowned.

>>18000299
>Non-western cultures have never produced literature worth reading
Russians are not western and they have produced the best literature on this planet.

>>17998886
This one is legit.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/23997/23997-h/23997-h.htm
Also, read Ruslan and Lyudmila. As a kid I could recite huge chunks of it by memory, and to this day I consider it the best poem ever written.
https://www.poetryloverspage.com/yevgeny/pushkin/ruslan_and_lyudmila.html

>>18001396
Agreed whole-heartedly. I really did not like it as much as I expected

>>18001533
Read Zamyatin's We. It's an actually good book that explores the same ideas without descending into retarded retrofuturism and autism.

>>18001519
thank u (:

>>17989695
This is just degeneracy and bad taste

>>17995237
You don’t know shit

>>18002826
I know better than complaining about long dialogues like a literal brainlet.

>>17990471
>>17994817
>>17994908
>>17994919
Embarrassingly filtered, read Pushkin plebs

>>18002857
Sorry I didn’t mean to direct that at you, I meant to direct it at the fags that don’t understand Russian Lit

>>17989695
Based. Won't give you Euripedes though.

>>17989877
Aeschylus is better than Sophocles or Euripides

>>17990438
kek

>>18002803
Come back when you finish your BA

>>17989416
All famous "lines" fit your description exactly. Ironically given the quote its bescuse human experiance is too diverse so only abstraction to the point of no actual meaning can be understood universaly

>>17992830
Agree, basato

American lit is a fucking joke. Cant have significant art when your culture can be reduced to a walk at the Mall

>>17997265
I only really thought Joyce was boring when I was in high school. I think part of it is once you develop some life experience it is easier to connect with some of what he is writing about. That sounds pretentious, but that's how it happened for me.

>>17989354
IRL, Dostoevskij is kind of overrated, Celine is much better. He is still amazing tho, just overrated
Here, Murakami is a good writer

>>17989695
>Chaucer over Shakespeare
lol

>>17991496
>American Psycho is about homosexuality
based "read a blog from 10 years ago uncritically" opinion haver

>>18004137
>reads chaucer in translation

>>17994170
Not just poetry. It should be recognized that many of the greatest works of the English language qua English language are translations (and I guess the same for all others).

>>18001396
>>18000609
>>18001599
All "dystopia" novels are terrible with zero redeeming quality. YA adventure like Hunger Games is a fitting successor to such classics.

>>17996022
I pretty much agree. From a quality of writing standpoint, he was nowhere near as good as his peers. He did have some pretty keen observations and wit at times though