/lit/ - Literature

>>17989869
where is Tristan?

>>17989869
You are comparing wagner to Goethe? jesu

>>17989887
He's not entirely wrong to. Wagner led onto Modernism as Goethe did to Romanticism.

>>17989880
>Tristan und Isolde = Wilhelm Meister

>>17990151
Tristan is a much more important work than Wilhelm, but I prefer Wilhelm.

>>17990338
Wilhelm literally created Romanticism.

>>17989869
Faust II should be dead fucking last

>>17990379
You were filtered.

>>17990382
Goethe himself was filtered. It wasn’t published until after his death because he was scared of the reaction.

>>17990386
He barely finished it before his death.

>>17990425
Yes, and then he withheld it because he feared people would react negatively

>>17990441
In his letters he said most people would be properly entertained by it on a stage, but the true meaning would not elude his followers.

>"But, in the second part, there is scarcely anything of the subjective; here is seen a higher, broader, clearer, more passionless world, and he who has not looked about him and had some experience, will not know what to make of it."
- Conversations with Goethe by Johann Peter Eckermann

So what does this make Parsifal?

>>17989869
Goethe always looked so concerned to me in that portrait. It's like someone he doesn't like is talking to him just outside the frame lol.

>>17989869
The first Faust is much better.

>>17989869
>Das ewig Weibliche zieht uns hinan
What did Goethe mean by this?

>>17990716
Filtered.

>>17990741
The anima.

>Faust II > Faust

>>17991098
F I L T E R E D
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What are your two favourite Wagner dramas?

For me it's Die Walkure and Parsifal.

If Faust II was so good, where is Faust III?

>>17991617
>he doesn't know about Faust III

>>17989869
>Faust
Why do normies hate Faust 2?

>>17991694
You have to think about it.

.

Why does this wagnerfag keep trying to make wagner a thing

> think about it

>>17991694
Goethe effectively predicted central banks and fiat currency, and associated them with the trickery of Mephistopheles. (((They))) don't want you reading Faust II.

>>17992097
Explain.

I fail to see how central banking eternally works good, however.

https://youtu.be/4jO6d4z8r7w?t=1341

>Fricka:
>Wotan, husband! Awake!

>Wotan:
>(still dreaming)
>The happy hall of delight
>is guarded by door and gate:
>> manhood's honour,
>> boundless might
>redound to endless renown!

>Fricka:
>(shaking him)
>Awake from the blissful deception of dreams!
>Husband, wake up and reflect!

>Wotan
>(waking and raising himself a little; his gaze is at once arrested by the sight of the castle)
>The everlasting work is ended!
>> On mountain peak
>> the gods' abode;
>> resplandent shines
>> the proud-standing hall!
>As in my dream I conceived it,
>just as my will decreed it,
>> sturdy and fair
>> it stands on show,
>august and glorious building!

>>17992086
No idea, Wagnerians are infamously obnoxious fanboys.

>>17991561
Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg and Tannhauser.

>>17993003
Pic related.

>>17989869
Is Faust the Evangelion of literature.

What are some other artists that worked in more than one field?

Wagner is one with his music and his writings.

Another one coming to mind is van Gogh. Painter and also his letters are kino.


Who else?

>>17993173
Pound wrote an opera, but musically it feels more like a Noh play.

>>17993173
Cocteau and Pasolini

>>17993173
Mishima.