/lit/ - Literature

Is Harry Potter actually worth it or is it YA garbage? I've only seen the movies and have read the Seventh Horcrux fanfiction and it was hilarious.

>>17955078
Its YA. Good or bad you won't get anything out of reading it as an adult.

Had the eye of the world lying around for awhile and picked it up, finished it and started this one. So far I'm enjoying this series a lot.

>>17955092
Fuck. You're right. Thank you, voice of reason.

>>17955097
The series was so comfy, I should get back to it and finally finish it.

>>17955078
I was 16 when Order of the Phoenix came out and by then I could tell it was shit. Never bothered after that.

>>17955112
It really is a comfy series to read, seeing the characters just explore this semi dying world is pretty great.

>>17955092
You'll get to bang cute teens when they see your encyclopaedic knowledge HP knowledge.

>>17955172
But why would anyone ever do that? Ain't that immoral and illegal?

is new cradle really that horrendous? no training and more cringe anime tier romance? surely not...

>>17955092
Isn't most fantasy YA quality compared to literature?

>>17955530
not really, no. YA has very specific metrics which a book has to adhere to to be considered "YA"

Can anybody here defend Alfred Bester without relying on
>muh context
?

>>17955558
That used to be the case, but now people commonly and popular use YA to mean "anything meant for teenagers"

>>17955078
I don't think a book being for children automatically makes it bad, I can empathize with a child as I read it. It might not enthrall you though, if you've become accustomed to more gripping adult themes. The themes are those that resonate with children and teens: grating against authority figures whose motivations and policies you don't understand; bullying and social status; there is also the thinly veiled parable about racism which grows more dominant as the series goes on. I am myself a "racist" by most people's standards, so I can understand somebody being turned off by that theme which we have no lack of drama over these days. Nevertheless, personally I like Harry Potter a lot, I find Rowling's take on magic to be humorous, and there are lots of nice details about Hogwarts and other magical locations such as the Ministry of Magic. It helps, I'm sure, that I read them as a child, but I have read them again since and still enjoyed it.

>>17955487
I'm 20% into the book, so far ALL the interactions between Lindon and Yerin is really putting me off, and I'm pretty sure it's just going to get worse. The chink got it right when dealing with romance shit in cultivation novels.

>>17954975
Asking here for help with this book I've been searching for because I've had no luck anywhere else.
Around a decade ago I checked out a book from my highschool library, it would be best described as being in a Lovecraftian Appalachian setting, and the whole book was essentially just a collection of Appalachian occultic demons and eldritch creatures that the rural natives would deal with or sometimes summon. It was a really surreal read. Other than that, I can't recall the title or the author, and all I remember is a bit of one story from it.
The gist of it was an occultic practitioner summoned some androgynous, luciferian entity from the moon to strike a bargain. I don't remember the details but the summoner agreed to sigh away his future, or something like that, and then they fucked. I remember the fucking specifically because the author described the sex as if he was planting crops on the moon, and orifices as craters. Afterwards, the man tried to have normie sex but found he could no longer get it up.
I think the reason I'm having trouble finding it is because it was local author (I grew up in Tennessee) and they went through a small-time publisher. I know it's unlikely for anyone here to have also read it and remember it, but if you have, I appreciate it.

>>17955686
Call your high school librarian. Someone there ordered that book and put it on the shelf.

>>17955686
>the author described the sex as if he was planting crops on the moon, and orifices as craters
Colour me intrigued.

I’ve come for some advice. I’ve read Sci-fi/Fantasy throughout my life, but generally read as well write realistic fiction(as a hobby). I wanted to write a Fantasy novel for myself, but I find it difficult to keep the characters grounded, and without manipulating them for plot purposes. Any advice welcome, thanks.

>>17955706
>Call your high school librarian
I've thought about it, but I really don't want to recount the androgyne fucking, as that's all I remember from it. Aside from that, the librarian there when I went to school is definitely retired by now, if not dead.

>>17955714
>but I find it difficult to keep the characters grounded, and without manipulating them for plot purposes
sounds like you don't really have a good grasp of structure and character; pick up a copy of pic rel and start reading and taking notes

>>17955763
>screenwriting

>>17955771
it's about general storytelling, only some of the info is specific to screenwriting

>>17955763
Thanks, bro. I’ll check it out when I get home.

>well never get an hbo adaption of Malazan
Wtf bros ...

>>17955530
A higher % of modern fantasy sure. But even then that increase is only people chasing money; there is still plenty of good lit fantasy stuff out there. I even agree with Bakker when he says it’s the only place where non self-flagellating - and actually interesting stuff - is being written is in genre fiction.

It's not the sort of stuff you'll find being given glowing reviews on goodreads by teens or feckless twenty-something marketing students, but it can convey a far stronger message than ‘real lit'. It just hasn't got that same respect because of any potential intellectual culture has to compete with hordes of what we see from modern fantasy.

Tolkien for example can stand amongst any of the literary greats and not be totally btfo'd. If you hate Bakker then Wolfe is a modern example sorta. Fantasy needs more people like them. Love or hate them, at least they've got something to actually say! But despite the ceiling being so high for fantasy, the floor is also super low as well. Hence the bad reputation from anime-shit, YA shit, or themeless TV tier shit which makes up the majority of published material.

>>17955900
TL;DR - it’s not inherently inferior, it just has a much lower bar to entry/gatekeeping problem. Our oldest and greatest stories are all fantasy.

>>17955900
>But despite the ceiling being so high for fantasy, the floor is also super low as well
this is one of the secondary reasons I started writing fantasy in the first place–firstly because fantasy was my first love in literature, but also because, since the bar is so low, there's going to be *someone* out there who will get something out of your work; I feel like this is also the reason why so much trash gets written, because its not like fantasy readers are clamoring for better stuff, we objectively tend to have pretty bad taste.

Does this mean that we should only exclusively write trashy pulp and never aspire to write something higher? No, of course not! Fantasy has the most potential out of all genre fiction, us fantasy authors should be striving to write books that rival what literary fiction has put out. Faulkner said it himself, that "the younger writers should always try to surpass the older masters"

>>17955919
>much lower bar to entry/gatekeeping problem
Self-publishing will solve all of our problems. There shouldn't be any barriers to entry or a single gatekeeper.

>>17955942
>taste
Delusional

>>17955942
I’ve had similar thoughts, but does the genre really have room for experimental “literary” work? I really don’t know

>>17956032
Yes, many exist, whether they'd ever be popular is a different matter. There's a few that are popular, but no doubt they'd still be scorned as not being "properly literary".

>>17955981
Having a culture that only encourages good books would be nice. That way more of them might get written, rather than the curret shit which usually goes along the lines of:
"selene darkblade is the king's 19-year-old secret assassin half demon witch-god. Who will she fuck, and how will the bad guy lose?" or "autistic unfun magic system, bad prose, cut-out characters, broad/unfocused theme. Made up words and '''magical''' deconstruction of society as substitute for any soul or big ideas.".

Thats not going to happen though, because the market can be swamped with every mouthbreather who can pick up a pen. I don't begrudge people their thoughtless entertainment , it’s just the situation is somewhat lamentable, I guess.

>>17956032
>experimental “literary” work?
The way I see it, we have to get back to the root of fantasy literature–why do we read fantasy? What is the purpose of fantasy in the context of literature as a whole?

First and foremost, we must know how to tell good stories; when you strip away all the worldbuilding and magic and characters, the story is the heart of the book and if the story is garbage than everything else suffers because of it; you can have one of the most astonishing imaginary worlds, one of the most interesting magic systems, the most horrifying monsters–but if the reader doesn't care about the characters and the events happening inside of the world, then there's really no point to the rest of it. Even if we want to move towards more "literary" (not necessarily "experimental," although that is possible too–Gormenghast is "experimental" in some ways and it is still very good fantasy literature) direction, if we want to communicate ideas and explore themes, it must be through the form of good storytelling. The book has to work on multiple levels: on a worldbuilding level (as extensive–or at least interesting worldbuilding is now expected of a fantasy book), on a storytelling level, and on a themes/ideas level–we have to take the best of "literary" fiction, and combine it with the best of fantasy. Another level that often goes unconsidered is prose–literary works often place a large amount of focus on prose and quality of writing, while in most genre fiction it's a secondary concern.

This is not an easy thing to do; it involves lots of reading about the literary theory (reading that has taken up most of my time in the past few weeks) and the structure of stories and narrative, which is just another thing to add to the pile of things that need to be done in order to write a fantasy book. But I think the work will pay off in the long run. Look at Lonesome Dove–on the surface, it's a classic western about two old cowboys going on one last adventure during the last days of the Wild West–but it also has a lot of literary qualities and explores a lot of "literary" themes; it works on multiple levels: you can enjoy it as a western novel, and you can enjoy it as a damn well-told story, and you can enjoy it as a more "literary" exploration of themes like loneliness and and the grief that comes with the death of close friends and family. I feel like *that* is the kind of complexity and substance we should try to construct our fantasy books with.

Okay how is this?

>>17956109
Incredible.

>>17956109

>>17956101
>why do we read fantasy? What is the purpose of fantasy in the context of literature as a whole?
I should also note that I've got two books on my "to-read" list that presumably deal with these questions: Language of the Night: Essays on Fantasy and Science Fiction, by Ursula K Le Guin, and On Fairy Stories, by Tolkien, if anybody else is interested

>>17956032
Bakker is the recent work that reaches that bar. No meme.

>>17956109
Best thing this board has written. Preferred this over Crocodile.

Bloodline is out

>>17956101
>>17956165
I’m not really certain how to respond. Your post fills me with hope and excitement. Also, thanks for the recommendations. Your mind is definitely in the right spot. I’m phone posting for work. Sorry for generic mediocre response. Thanks, bro.

>>17956216
I’ve since his name on the board, but never read his work. Gunna order his first novel rn. Thanks.

While rereading The Golem and the Jinni it just clicked for me that Chava is essential half-frankenstein

I kind of wonder what would happen if she met Adam

>>17956101
What genre are you writing and do you have a draft and if so do you want a critique partner?

Holy shit I hate sffg

>>17956714
That's the main requirement for being part of this thread.

I think In Green's Jungles ties with Citadel of the Autarch for my favourite Wolfe book. So many aspects are satisfying in a way that's difficult to pinpoint

>>17955092
What if I want a couple hours worth of mindless entertainment?

>>17954975
Science fiction is not literature.

>>17955028
Maybe ? GH is her at her best probably though.

>>17956945
And yet here it is, curious

When GRRM inevitably dies before finishing the Game of Thrones series, who does lit think should finish the series?
My votes for Brandon Sanderson.

>>17956714
Go back >>>/tv/149147135

>"So Mr.Anon, you're telling me that your book is about non-humans."
>"Yup."
>"Like, aren't Elves kinda human like? Your tiny creatures kinda look like that."
>"They're not elves and they don't look human."
>"How do you want people to relate to that?"
>"Do you have a cat?"
>"Yeah. And?"
>"Well, you can relate to him."
>"Yeah but that's different, he's an animal."

it felt like talking to a wall.

>>17957190
autist btfo’d

>>17957214
Now is 4chan supposed to be anti-autistic? Seriously?

>>17957415
Always has.

>>17955097
How can anyone read this trash? Unironically, even Bakkers prose is better and that is saying something.

>>17957190
Should've mentioned WALL-E

>>17957434
Fuck off newfag, you don't know what you talking about

Wait a minute that hat

>>17957543
Unironically both great

>>17957549
I can't stand the cover art for the 2nd galaxy book but writing is okay.

>>17957557
It's a good cover besides the stupid as fuck expression

>>17957565
And the cancer text font on the gun.
A sticker on that and his face and it's approved.

"Science" fiction and Fantasy general

>>17956309
Just finished reading it. It was decent.

>>17956109
Modern masterpiece

>>17955097
Welcome to Jordan's house of fun!
You're in the honeymoon period of the first books and your probably wondering how anyone can advice to skip some books in this series.

But you'll not wonder when you get to those books. Alarms bells go of in my head when i just read the words "Tar Valon" now.

>>17958083
Every time I feel like rereading Wheel of Time I remember the Faile gets captured / Elayne's succession / Egwene as Amyrlin sublplots and my interest dies instantly.

>>17958105
Yeah, like faile getting captured served perrin's development a bit, but elayen's accension is just jordan wanting to write historic fiction or something ; trying to incorporate some kind of working feudal system but he just bloats his cast of characters so much you just don't remember all of them at the end of it. Anything about Tar Valon's inner workings just make my eyes glaze over .

Tar Valon can go fuck itself wich it probably wants to do anyway.

>>17955895
It's a series that already has a racially diverse cast of characters; HBO won't pick up anything they can't blackwash

>>17958220
Also it's incredibly boring.

>>17957090
he has already picked the author who will finish it

>>17958274
this

>>17957090
Pat Rothfuss

Short reminder for all newfags that the ultimate colossal science fiction and fantasy torrent is back online:

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>>17958590
thanks, I had no idea about it. great stuff

>>17958113
>>17958105
Each of those arcs should have been the character's progression over the course of one novel. Egwene should have been elected Amyrlin at the end of one book and captured at the end of the next, Faile captured at the end of one book and rescued at the end of the next, the Andor crowning introduced and wrapped up in one book. Books 8, 9, and 10, and probably 7 as well, could probably have been one really tight novel ending with the cleansing of Saidin.

I just finished this, and it doesn't have too much of it but I think it counts as a fantasy novel. It's a bit like Catcher in the Rye, where it makes me wish I did anything aged 11-14 except play Halo so I actually could have gotten something out of it. Also the fucking cover design tricked me, it's designed to look old and weathered but it's actually brand new. That pissed me off. I'm into aesthetics if nothing else.
>>17955559
Bester is good because Golem100 has a BLA<K QVEEN on the cover and that makes my pp hard.

Worth a read?

New to fantasy literature. Decided to begin with Lord of the Rings and this shit is so amazing. I'm on Two Towers right now, I really love the relationship between Legolas and Gimli.

>>17958811
one of the caveats of starting with the greatest in the genre is that, everything else afterwards pales in comparison. I would highly recommend the works of Robert E Howard, Lord Dunsany, and Mervyn Peake when you finish Tolkien

>>17958832
good advice desu

>>17958792
Yeah, it's pretty good. And it's short too, so even if end up disliking it, you'll be done with it in a few hours.

Outside of the obvious, what are some of GRRM's other good books?

Fuck, E William Brown.

>>17959707
Wild Cards.

>>17955900
>Tolkien for example can stand amongst any of the literary greats and not be totally btfo'd.
It's always so easy to spot you pretentious idiots. You've probably never read a single piece of "great literature" outside of what you were assigned in high school and struggled to finish.

>>17956858
If you need to stoop to YA for mindless entertainment you might be retarded. An example of this is Conan; it’s not imperative that you understand the themes or whatever, nor is it even assured that there are any big ones, but - and this is the key - it isn't written for mush-brained babies like YA is.

>>17960178
Nice reading comprehension
>not be totally btfo'd
doesn't mean that he holds his ground completely, it means that, when it comes down to brass tacks, he holds his own better than most other fantasy authors would.

>>17960178
It was well thought out and executed in what it tried to achieve, so much so that it defined the genre and has yet to be surpassed. But I guess it didn't ramble on about some faggot doing a mundane task, sprinkling in some ideas well, so it can't be considered 'great literature'.

>>17960178
>great literature
what do you consider great literature, anon? Genuinely asking

>>17960350
>yet to be surpassed
how you surpass it?
travel back in time to release a classic at an earlier point?
lmao

>>17960465
Write something better that will become a classic in the future you fucking brainlet. By that retarded logic all we'd have is the epic of gilgamesh.

>>17960499
>he actually believes there will be "new classics" written

>>17955763
>Robert Mckee

Why would you read a book on screenwriting from someone who hasn't produced anything noteworthy?

>>17960550
It's one of those cases where, its a good starting point for understanding how stories are constructed, particularly beats, scenes, and structure in general. I quite like how he maps out the different kinds of plots (Archplots, the classical design, vs Miniplots and Antiplots), how he talks about the relationship between character and plot, and how scenes should be constructed so that they don't ruin the pacing of a story. It's not the be-all-end-all of storytelling but it's a damn good starting point for people who have no idea about the basic principles of storytelling in films or novels

>>17960549
I didn't say that retard, I said if it were to be done that would be how. God damn you're fucking stupid.

>>17955686
Have you tried going through this list?

https://www.goodreads.com/list/show/10699.Appalachian_Fiction

Just bought the First Law books, they better be good.

>>17957090
I tried to read this guy's Mistborn and the prose is YA trash. Are the rest of his books like this?

>>17960656
GRRM is not good as far as prose style goes

>>17960573
no one who has ever produced any good movies/books learned by reading how to books. People who have to be told these things aren't cut out to create simple as. Sort of like trying to become a good writer b y taking creative writing classes.

>>17960656
yes sanderson is a massive hack all of his books are YA anime trash

>>17960673
I agree that you have to have some innate passion or talent in order to write something noteworthy, but it's absolutely retarded to suggest that practice and research aren't needed–all the great writers said that writing in and of itself is a craft, and like all crafts, it must be practiced and researched. Books aren't going to teach you how to write good stories from the ground up, but they will most certainly help you focus your talent

>>17960673
Most of those books are focused on how to create marketable stories. They don't teach you how to write good prose, but they're decent guides for people who know how to write well enough (from practicing with short stories or whatever) but are struggling to sell or publish. Nobody writing SFF who actually knows what they're doing wants to be the next Faulkner or anything. They mostly just want to make a fun, marketable story that they themselves would enjoy.

>>17960690
the way to practice and research is to read good books and to write a lot. if you are a good writer you can tell when what you write is shit or not and if you dont have that eye you shouldnt be writing.

Bloodline was a letdown. Had some potential but was overall dull and underwhelming. Will really does need a break, or better beta readers. The name for Book 10 sounds dumb too.

>>17961193
What is bloodline?

Are 'The Strain' books worth a read?

I remember liking the show at the start, but I stopped watching it for some reason.

>>17958647
I've been abridging the series. Ended up combining books 7 and 8 into one. Then combining 9-11 into another. Working on pulling 12-14 into one now. Total should come out to 9 tight(er) books.

Bloodline was ok. Started kind of weak, but I’m a sucker for that kind of ending.

>>17961328
why is Del Taco's name on the books?

>>17961559
He """co-wrote""" them.

What is young adult fantasy and why is it bad?

>>17958083
Does it really get that bad later on?

>>17961814
Anything written by a woman in the past 10 years or a man in the past 5.

My source tells me that A Song of Ice and Fire will end with Victarion Greyjoy body slamming white walkers out of existence. My source came from Me, Myself, and I.

Saubon, I....

>>17962366

>>17962366
>>17962444
checked and one of the most unforgettable scenes in fantasy desu

>>17962366
>>17962444
There's another Dagliash meme, who's got it

>>17959707
The Dying of the Light is pretty good. A very unique, elegiac, dense atmosphere throughout the book.

WIndhaven is good too.

I really like his Tuf Voyaging series.

I dont remember Fevre Dream as anything special.

>>17960121
>Wild Cards.
Fuck you!

Can someone please leech this magnet link to a collection of scifi and fantasy books and tell me if it works?

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:eae8860364e8ced2a02924cad0533f871359c78e&dn=Gillian%20Archives

>>17958590
>hundreds of gigabytes
how many fucking books

Any western xianxia where the MC is just talented? I don't like this bullshit where supposedly 'sole hard work' triumphs. Especially since we see many other characters train hard yet lose. This is fucking inconsistent and pushed only for this bullshit western ideal that equality of opportunity could somehow ever exist.

>>17958711
>Golem100 BLA<K QVEEN pp hard
Unironically the best defense of Bester I’ve seen yet.

Does anybody here like Peter Watts? Blindsight and Echopraxia were good, though I didn't finish the latter.

>>17958590
everything is already on booksc's sister site or on mobilism

>>17956109
Dude that’s for suggesting this.

>>17961288
a novel in the cradle series
>>17961193
even wintersteel was pretty bad
if you had any hopes it would get better than you clearly haven't read enough, all series get worse as they get milked and stretched

>>17962988
>88
fantasy novels for this feel?

>>17963069
Wintersteel had a lot going on to make up for it which it needed post-Uncrowned, which was a shit. Wintersteel was half a shit.
Thinking about it, Bloodline was poorly paced too. Nothing really happens outside of what we expect and nothing big is revealed either. It takes the entire book for a tiny ding at the end. The book could have strongly benefited from at least three more chapters, or cutting the goddamn irrelevant Abidan shit to focus on Cradle.

>>17963133
I think the Abidan shit was better in this book than in prior ones.

>>17963278
I think Daruman's motives are still a bit vague and self-serving but considering his past behavior and the Abidan's treatment of him with the imprisonment, I side with Daruman. Still don't care about any of this or how it's relevant to Cradle where Lindon isn't even a continent-buster yet, much less a fucking Iteration-Consuming beast.

>>17963115

So I got some money and am planning on buying some good books. I already have LOTR which I’m already reading, and I was going to buy Titus Groan (I heard the first Gormenghast novel is the best) Gardens of the Moon (I plan on at least reading the first three Malazan books), and was planning on getting The Darkness that Comes Before as well, but I have room for one more; any suggestions? I was thinking about picking up The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian but I can decide

When did the style of telling stories with constant jump cuts and scene changes like its a TV show interspaced by ad brakes start? It's awful, and I can't enjoy these books at all. I get invested in a part of the story and the lead up, then right before the climax there's a transition to a totally unrelated event happening on a completely different world and there's another ten pages of build up, then again before there's a climax it jumps to another character gong through another build up, and this repeats three more times until it comes all the way back around to the first character where the build up has long since been blue-balled and rather than finally hitting the climax it just starts building up again.
It's this god awful drip-fed story telling with no climaxes and no pacing that is absolutely garbage but permeates modern writing. Is it just a byproduct of writers being brought up with television as part of their everyday lives? Do writers not realise they're accidentally copying a mode of story telling designed to keep people glued to a television screen and watch advertising?

>>17963694
>mode of story telling designed to keep people glued
it’s been around for as long as genre fiction has been around. books used to be published chapter-by-chapter in periodicals, incentivizing the exact type of cliffhanger blueballing you attribute to TV commercial breaks and think GRRM brought to novels
swapping around between a massive cast of POV characters is a relatively recent innovation allowing mediocre authors to reskin six bad books as one “epic”

>>17963694
>Is it just a byproduct of writers being brought up with television as part of their everyday lives?
Yes, and the fact that a lot of modern writers are writing with the goal of during their work into a franchise; they are writing with the though in the back of their minds that their work must be able to support being made into TV shows, movies, merchandise, etc.

What's a book with dimensional shit as part of the plot? I thought the 4th and second dimensions were cool in death's end, and want some more content.

>>17963301
and he never will be.

>>17960684
That's disappointing after reading all the praise he gets here last year.

>>17962927
Almost all books are included in different formats, like three to five formats each, so unfortunately not quite as many books as it would appear. But still far more than any one person can read in their whole life.

>>17964683
Not if we stop time.

>>17963336
Sea Dragon Heir by Storm Constantine.

>>17963057
what is "booksc's sister site"?

>>17962968
Isn't that just every xiaxia? I can only think of like 1 or 2 where the protagonist isn't some heaven defying supergenius prodigy destined for greatness.
>western
You mean set in the west like LotM, or written by a westerner like Cradle? Cause I actually can't think of any others besides those two.

>>17963694
I can't stand it either. It's an immediate bd sign for me if there's more than one PoV character.

What used books have you picked up lately? Anything good?

>>17963694
>ranting against human nature
ngmi
based GRRM knew that people are cattle whether theyre looking at a tv or a book and he proved it
if you start thinking of yourself as being above and apart from your contemporaries of course you will not find much being made that appeals to you
you can either join the hogs at the trough and accept that you are a hog yourself or you can keep rereading LotR and pretending youre not one

>>17962794
guys please someone leech this for a couple minutes so I can see if it works. It is the Gillian Arcchives that I have posted in th eultimate colossal scif and fantasy torrent thead. Qbittorrent shows me I have liek 15 leechers but havent uploaded a single MB yet despite port forwarding. I suspect I fucked up with the torrent file somehow and I am hoping a magnet link works better.

>>17964936
I just tried and download works

>>17964970
Thanks!

Why is Daniel Greene the only guy getting any views doing sff reviews on youtube

>>17963057
If those get taken out by the book mafia, we'll at least have this one.

>>17965070
I dunno. I do not read or watch reviews on books, music, or movies. Two sentence recommendations from random trannies in a shadow puppet bbs forum are all I need.

>>17961193
I think it had potential to be good but the pacing felt too rushed. I guess that's kind of the point but it felt like there was too much shit happening at once with not enough time devoted to any of it.

>>17963336
Conan or The Shadow of the Torturer

stay mad

>>17965648
This guy fucks.

>>17965648
>>17965751
How hard is Bakker to read? I heard it's not entirely light read.

What would have happened if someone had to voldemort's name in the goblet of fire?

What is /sffg/ opinion of The Dwarves series by Markus Heitz? Currently reading the first book

"The Prince of Nothing" is a really stupid name.

>>17965775
I'm ESL and I read PoN at 13. The prose isn't dense or anything but the edginess can sometimes become tiresome.

>>17966144
>t. Princess of something

Sci-Fi or Fantasy Poll:
https://www.strawpoll.me/42909359

>>17966144
yeah im a fan but true

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you faggot weeper? I'll have you know I am the most violent of all men, and I've been involved in numerous holy pilgrimages on the Nansurium, and I have over 300 confirmed swazond. I am trained in sodomy and I'm the top rapist in the entire Jiünati Steppe. You are nothing to me but just another Inrithi. I will pound you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on your asshole, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me across this table? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of skin-spies across Enathpanea and your anal virginity is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your asshole. You're fucking dead, Emperor. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can have unconsensual sex with you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Consult and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what holy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you wouldn’t have acted like you live this life a second time, already assured of its outcome. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now some things require literal explanation. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking sodomized, Ikurei.

>>17964714
>I can only think of like 1 or 2 where the protagonist isn't some heaven defying supergenius prodigy destined for greatness.
Yeah you missed the point, that's exactly what I want. I want him to be a genius, not a grade B talent beating grade SSS talents. That's stupid.
>Cause I actually can't think of any others besides those two.
There are a few xianxia written by westerners, like Painting the Mists, Chaos Cultivation, Aether's Blessing, Beware of Chicken, Elemental Gatherers, etc. The last one fits what I want, MC is chosen by the gods and has the highest talent ever seen so it makes sense he's strong.

>>17964701
Google booksc and then click on 'books' somewhere in upper left corner. They kept changing name and address so I stopped keeping track and just always go there this way.

Man Bloodlines was such a fucking disappointment. All that build up for Lindon to return home and all he does when he gets their is apologize and act like a bitch to people who are literally ants to him. Even his own family disregards him. There's a difference between being humble and being pathetic, something the author apparently can't seem to understand.

Is the wheel of time THAT good or people are just passionate because they're been reading the series for decades?

>>17966581
Read books 1-3. If you make it more than 50 pages into book 4, then the series is for you.

>>17966546
That's what happens when a westerner tries to write chinkshit without understanding the core of these types of cultivation stories and how they incorporate a Chinese cultural mindset. He's writing with a western mindset that pride and hubris are inherently evil traits and that the protagonist must always be a wet noodle to show he's a good guy and have him take the "high road".

>>17964588
He's being expoused as the next Ozriel, new and improved. If Lindon ISN'T Consuming Iterations by the end of the series then Will fucked up hard.
>>17965299
>there was too much shit happening at once with not enough time devoted to any of it
That sounds like a good descriptor. Another thing I strongly disliked was Fury's ascension within the first few chapters but LOL WE'RE NOT GOING TO TELL YOU WHY HE HAS TO LEAVE
I'm glad I've only ever paid for one Cradle book.

>>17966546
The book should be renamed to "Lindon attempts to help people who never wanted help" because that's the entirety of the fucking book. The more I think about it, the madder I get. And yet this shit will be eaten up by his retarded fans, just like any other popular author now.

>>17965648
>tfw dad's mad again

>>17966581
It's trash

>>17966546
I wasn't really disappointed about that.
Most of them are so far beneath Lindon and they lack any real connection to him that its hard to care about them.
However, it became a problem when bullying some elders would have achieved they goals faster...which happened quite often now that i think about it.
Lindons goal was to evacuate people fast. But everyone was tiptoeing and playing nice with the natives. And in the end how many people died because they were not fast enough? How many could have been saved if they just barged in, pissed on the elders and commanded them to move?

Still, my biggest disappointment was the reunion with Lindons family. The entire confrontation happened on like two or three pages. And lindon didnt manage to express a single meaningful sentence. The entire scene was dominated by the fucking comic relief character. And we didnt get a second one, because we had to spend the majority of the story with the boring beast stumbling around.

Glad Lindon directly teleported back (and everyone else, imagine teleportation being hard) before the author is forced to write more dialog between his main characters. Or with his family. Or Orthos, Northstrider or any other character of importance.

The conclusion to the fight was equally disappointing.
A simple Vision is enough to fool and control the titans. Wonderful.
Just don't tell the other monarchs about this simple solution to the walking natural disasters which are killing millions by just walking around.

>>17966581
I do think that just the sheer amount of pages WoT has makes it easier for people to get attached to characters.

Can anybody recommend any comfy fantasy book?

>>17966985
Define comfy. I guess you could try The Belgariad.

>>17966985
books*

>>17967002
Not too dark I guess

>>17967002
And thanks for recommendation.

>>17966985
I haven't read too much yet but Magic of Recluce is light but slow. A lot of travel logistics, but a lot of realistic human interaction as well. Nothing too dark because the protagonist is essentially a pacifist.
The Oz books are meant for children but they're very light and fun. Same with Redwall, although the only fantasy element is the setting and the fact that the characters are animals instead of humans. No magic or monsters.

>>17967136
Thanks!

>>17967145
No problem man

>>17966790
Thanks lad I was wondering if the book would be even worth it with how disappointing Wintersteel was. I guess it's time to drop.

>>17967445
I had to force myself to continue reading Bloodlines because it was so frustrating. Here I thought Will Wight was improving as a writer but nope. I'll drop Cradle for now and check back in a few years to see how it ended up.

>>17967679
>was improving as a writer
Cradle hasn't been good since Underlord. Bloodline was a slice of life LN.

fuck that guy who told me that in the four book half of the second apocalypse Cleric kills Achamian while the complete opposite happened. I was lie-spoiled.

>>17966660
> Ozriel
Not in the slightest.

>Consuming Iterations
That isn't what they do. They protect them.

>WHY HE HAS TO LEAVE
Because it upsets The Balance.

After I finished Bloodlines, I knew that the usual "fans" here would hate it because it isn't like the previous books. That's what happens when you trade autistic writing for normal writing.

>>17966985
earthsea series is peak comfy

>>17968081
lie-spoiling is based. especially when it’s close to the truth.
Kellhus is an inchoroi.

>>17957090
Preston Jacobs

>>17968136
>Not in the slightest.
It's been a running theory for several books now, champ.
>That isn't what they do. They protect them.
We've known since the start that Ozriel disappeared and defected from the Abidan, and there's no guarantee that Lindon & Friends will join the Abidan. Do you even read the series or just read Wikipedia notes?
>>17968145
Whoa it's like I'm really on the Cradle sub.
>Bloodlines

>>17968288
They’re gonna be the new team of executors, if they don’t defect from the abidan entirely. Them being Eithan Mercy Lindon and Yerin.

Starting wheel of Time 2, does it ever get like Pg13 or more mature? Or is this it

>>17965648
Read the first book, 90% verbal vomit. Prime neckbeard "better than thou" material.

>>17968680
you get some gore and there is sex, it's just not depicted. this is pretty much it, pg13 is kind of a dumb way to put it . It fall very distant from being YA but it's not as graphic as some other stories.

>>17968935
Pg13 is a meme way of putting it, yes. But book 1 felt very YA and I’m hoping the series matures

>>17968680
You get some Girl on Girl Dominatrix, and BDSM eventually.

>>17968849
t. esl

Are there any power fantasies that aren't as retarded as all those nip LNs? I just want some wish fulfillment with decent writing.

>>17968145
Try harder.

>>17969368
Conan.

>>17969408
this

>>17969408
I've read some Conan stories. How about something more modern.

>>17968329
>not Yerin, Lindon, and Simon
I want a refund.

>>17969452
Dresden Files, maybe?
I didn't like it, but the guy solves crimes and fucks the hottest girls.

>>17960350
>I guess it didn't ramble on about some faggot doing a mundane task
you've definitely never read any great literature

>>17969368
Read chinese novels instead of japshit.

>>17969545
I'm not underage so I'm not a fan of murderhobos. And chink novels aren't any less retarded than nip novels. Simple as.

>>17969452
Chronicles of Amber?

Anyone know where I could buy Clark Ashton Smith's "Zothique" collection without being overcharged for it? Odd how it never got reprinted.

>>17969729
I just got it for free. Hard to get fleeced this way.
But you do you, good little slave.

>>17969758
>pirating physical copies
Beyond based

>>17969930
He (you?) wanted to buy a print, I'm recommending getting the ebook for free.

>>17969957
I did get the book for free from the internet archive. I liked it so much I would like to own a physical copy as well.

>>17969729
This looks like it was written by a stoked Brit on a vacation in Bangkok

Someone mentioned Painting the Mists in the last thread, is the series any good?

>>17970142
IIRC, that's the one with the pacifist protag? Why would you have a pacifist protag in your xianxia?

So what if a few of the nonwomen and nonchildren have gotten a little sick from the injection? I'd much rather have my chances of living guaranteed. I'm sick of this death plague and quite frankly it would be sublime to have to not have to worry about dying anymore!
Trust Cû’jara-Cinmoi and the Quya!

>>17970142
Starts pretty badly, gets enjoyable but not great. Read it if you want more western Xianxia after getting hooked by Elemental Gatherers/Aether's Blessing. Just be warned all of them are just wish fulfillment, not 'high literature'.
>>17970179
He's not a murderhobo, then again western xianxia MCs generally aren't as blood thirsty as chink bugmen MCs. He still kills a fair share of people, but he's a hero, not a villain.

I know about the
>woman author
But is this worth reading?

>>17970203
I mostly want to try out western cultivation novels since I'm kind of tired of reading chink novels. I haven't read Elemental Gatherers/Aether's Blessings yet, I'll try to read those too.

>>17970292
Also remember that it has strong wymyn and homo shit.
>But is this worth reading?
No novel with a female MC is worth reading.

>>17968288
Sorry that your headcanon won't happen.

>>17968288
>>17970373
back to rebbit with you

>>17970203
>>17970325
I'll throw in Soulship since the 4th book comes out in a couple weeks. It's 'progression fantasy'. There's also the new Mage Errant soon but that's less progression and more magic academy.

>>17970292
Why do you think anyone can decide that for you? Read the /sffg/ reviews about it if you must.

>>17970380
>Mage Errant
Is 3rd book worth it? I liked second one but somehow never picked up the next one.

>>17970373
>theories discussed for years are your headcanon because I say so
Sure. Good luck in life, champ.
>>17970400
Book 3 was okay. Book 4 is when it turns into heavy teenage SoL.

>>17954975


What is some good entertaining science fiction with as much of these as possible:

()focus on politics (like expanse or foundation)
()leaning on the hard side(like the expanse more or less)

All recomendations are welcomed thank you

>>17955078
I think it is a good story. I think it falls short of a good fantasy because the worldbuilding is trash desu. I need extreme Sanderson levels of autism to enjoy a magic system. I also need a nice map.

>>17960656
The writing is somewhat lacking, but it serves as a passable means of delivering the worldbuilding that he is good at. I don't really care what happens to the characters.

>>17960673
Pop-cultured midwit take

based

I really really hate Sanderson, bros.

>>17970371
>No novel with a female MC is worth reading

Gone with the Wind.

>>17971042
...is not worth reading.

>>17970379
>2 day ban because I said I didn't like Bloodline

>>17971109
What is Bloodline?

>>17971109
Did you really get banned? Well arguments about canon and shit like that are reddit-tier, so I could see you getting banned for 'extremely low quality post'.

>>17971109
only 2 days? should have been 10, nah jk what the fuck is bloodline?

>>17971131
>>17971226
Essential redditcore novel. Seriously though it's yet another western xianxia novel that somehow got a little bit popular with the kids.

>>17971244
>got a little bit popular with the kids.
Don't know how, the main character is an insufferable little bitch. Some guy could come along and fuck his girlfriend and he'd be the type lower his head and apologize to the guy.

Trying to remember the name of a 6 book YA series. It was about all the adults in this town disappearing and the kids have to fend for themselves, and eventually they develop super powers?

>>17971276
Gone. Isn't this written for girls? When are you transitioning.

>>17970456
please help with this, thank you

>>17966790
>Glad Lindon directly teleported back (and everyone else, imagine teleportation being hard) before the author is forced to write more dialog between his main characters. Or with his family. Or Orthos, Northstrider or any other character of importance.
lmao
will wight is a worse writer than brandon sanderson

>>17966985
steerswoman series?

>>17971298
Expanse is soft as shit. I dunno what you really want so I can't help you.

Beware of Chicken is the only good web fiction I've ever read. It's good enough to be a real novel.

>>17971317
>Expanse is soft as shit.
its the hardest ever adapted to a series. (delta v, kind of drive, effects of gravity, distance and scales, etc) yes its not much but its more than a lot of "popular" sci fi

>>17971303
His fans used to excuse him by saying "just turn off your brain bro and enjoy the fights", but now that he's trying to write an actual story with developing characters he's shown he has no clue how to.

>>17971332
>its the hardest ever adapted to a series
Maybe, I don't watch TV.

>>17964316
Mainline?

>>17964316
Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions

>>17971291
Didn't seem like a girls book to me, but then again it was years ago that I read it.

>>17971346
>I don't watch TV.
unironically good for you

>>17954975
I'm thinking about ambushing and shooting Bakker so that way this thread dies for good. I live within 2 hours of him (already doxed).

Hey guys I am looking for something particular:
read some Space Marines Horus Heresy books and I felt very comfy when the scenes were sit when the Space Marines were not in combat and were just talking, organizing, etc. Is there any books that capture this feel? "Brothers" organizing societies, politics, diplomacy, etc? Talking philosophy, sometimes there is battle , etc? It was a very comfy time. I could meditate to such works.

>>17970435
Collective delusions are still delusions.

what is some good space opera with nice political intrigues in written form?

cant be expanse dune or foundation?

Haven't read a book in years, but I wanna get into fantasy. Elric saga any good? It sounds cool from the description.

>>17971133
wrote a few paragraphs about why I disliked it and >Please behave yourself appropriately. This temp ban is a final warning
someone told me to get a hobby lmao

THREAD IS SHUT DOWN FROM THIS POINT ON
>NOT ENOUGH BAKKERPOSTING
YOU FAGGOTS? YOU IDIOTS? I NEED TO REMIND YOU:
YOU. ARE. ONLY. ALLOWED. TO. TALK. ABOUT. BAKKER.

>>17966339
audible kek

>finally have my resistance crushed as a Wolfe-chad and look up this Bakker Prince of Nothing thing you dildos keep spamming about
>pick up book, read back of the book
> 'an ancient evil has awakened'

Yeah, I'm out.

Is there anything else with Warhammer aesthetic?

>>17971705
for me it was all the gay
does everyone in this book suck literal cock?
if /sffg/ had warned me it was a fag book I would have never picked it up in the first place

>>17971705
The ancient evil never went to sleep

Need it or keep it?

>>17972047
sneed it

>>17962502
Odd, I hear nothing but rave reviews regarding Fevre Dream

>>17954975
https://stillnessinthestorm.com/

https://www.bitchute.com/video/V1YbsIjWNkLn/

https://www.brighteon.com/db5b19b4-d49b-428f-ad28-1e699f370b7f

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sVLCYMezi0

https://www.outofshadows.org/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDliTIUq_uw

http://finalwakeupcall.info/en/2021/04/07/total-extinction-of-mankind-is-close/

>>17971549
b-b-b-but p-p-please.......

>>17971737
No

>>17963694
That sounds like a fucking nightmare. If anyone wants to make a TV show of their books, at least put in the season finales and understand when it's appropriate to change the PoV.
This writing style is especially strange when the era of television has adapted to a binge-watching format. There is no reason to write shit like this anymore.

>>17973064
Not that many famous science fiction or fantasy books are adapted into tv shows, outside of the more famous one.

>>17973295
Dude... sword of shannara though

>>17971549
Kill yourself.

>>17973360
Cancelled by its second season.

>>17972472
What the hell is this?

>>17971549
Honestly Bakkerposting was much better than the discussion of brainlets about western chinkshit """"novels"""" which has now invaded the thread

>>17973295
Why would they? Did you forget who produces these shows?

>>17973921
I don't get the point of reading chinese novels BUT written by western autors.

>>17973921
>>17971549
I finished TUC a few weeks ago and I am still fucking reeling. Bakker writes the most kino and unforgettable fantasy I have ever read. I am hungry for more and nothing else in the genre seems worth reading anymore. BotNS, Tolkien, and Dune are all great but Bakker draws from all of them and turns them into something... beyond. He is a genius and all the haters probably haven't read the whole series. It just kills me that he stopped writing for whatever reason.

>>17974122
Some men simply dry up or understand when it's time to end their work. It's better to give the world your absolute best than decay into a shell of your former self.

>>17974122
Doesn't seem that great

>>17974095
Cradle takes more from anime than it does from chinkshit. Ethan's entire powerset is lifted wholesale from Naruto for example.

>>17974157
>caring about goodreads scores
Anon no, don’t expose your philistine self like this...

>>17974157
How is a four star book not great?

>>17974172
This.

>>17974157
Get this plebbit horseshit out of our holy Thread.

>>17974176
If you're used to goodreads scores anything below 4* isn't so great. If it's below 3* then it's not even worth reading.

>>17974183
Just round the star up, anon. Basic math.

>>17974157
Oh boy, normie logic... My favorite.
Please, put in more meaningless score data. Ratings definitely enrich our minds much further than any actual reviews of the works themselves. Proper discussion? A proper analysis? What the fuck are those alien concepts?

>>17974195
0/5 try again.

>>17974231
Go back to r*ddit. They love bullshit logic and giving you all of the upvotes to "prove" your point.

>>17968174
>>17971315
Thanks!

>>17971463
>Elric saga any good?
Yes, read it if you have the chance.

>>17974243
Fuck you.

>>17974169
What’s wrong with anime?

New thread
>>17974301

>>17974290
kek, you just proved his point. ubelievable, how easy it is.

>>17974169
>unironically reading an elaborate Naruto fanfiction
This is Golgotterath, the thread of destiny where brainlets come to die

>>17974309
It wasn't even me, unbelievably.

>>17974389
What the hell is wrong with you?

>>17974686
I mean seriously I didn't even bother replying to your meltdown over scores but a schizo posted a good bait.

>>17974703
So you are lying your ass off to save your face.

>>17974157
if you discount femoid reviwers as you always should the ratings would be much higher

>>17971276
Did the main character have golden eyes and the ability to see into the future? If so, Slade's children.

>>17974157
Yeah, I wonder why that is.
>"Its too dark, I don't understand *low rating* "
>"Now what YA to read next?"