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Is the Critique of Pure Reason good for Christian or theistic apologetics?

>> No.17971240

Holy fuck no, do not read this book, it is boring as fuck. Just read a book ON Kant.

>> No.17971268

No, Kant is at best a pragmatic theist and he only found a basis for theology within practical moral reason. Apologetics seeks to justify faith/theology through speculative proofs (like Aquinas) which is exactly what Kant critiques and de-structures in the Dialectic of Pure Reason section. He might serve you well in arguments against ardent atheism, since his critique of speculative reason goes both ways, but again at best you are left with an agnostic/quietist/pragmatist theism.

>> No.17971283

>>17971268
Adding to this, you will probably find figures who build on Kant to be much more helpful for constructing a speculative and ontologically grounded theology (think Husserl, Heidegger, Hegel, Schelling)

>> No.17971305
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>>17971283
So the Hegel satanist meme doesn't have any truth to it?

>> No.17971333

>>17971305
No. He certainly was influenced by certain "Esoteric" or Hermetic circles (see magee's book for this) but these circles were largely Christian and Hegel's system allows for the construction of a new Immanent, Dialectical Christianity. But I prefer Husserl/Heidegger if you are seeking a crossroads between theology and philosophy. Check out Jean-Luc Marion if you want to dig into Phenomenologically influenced Theology.

>> No.17971376

>>17971333
>hermetic "christianity"

What accord does Christ have with belial anon? Hermes Trismagistus literally means "the thrice great Hermes" thus he has been bestowed the very honor only due to the Triune Godhead.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klJxEebCWDg

>> No.17971733

>>17971376
I'm talking about Christian thinkers who synthesized hermetic ideas within their theology (Paracelsus, Bacon, Llull, etc...). Although the biggest esoteric influence on Hegel would be Boehme who is definitely more Christian than Hermeticist. Either way, Hegel is not an orthodox Christian himself, so I'm not sure what your point is. I'm merely suggesting him because his philosophy has interesting theological ramifications and applications, just like Paracelsus and Boehme.

>> No.17971750

>>17971376
Also I'm not too sure why you equate Hermeticism with Satanism? The latter is a relatively modern addendum to occult philosophy/esoterica, which is itself distinct from Hermetic and Kabbalistic strands of medieval thought. Hermeticism is far more similar to Neoplatonism than Occultism for instance and the brand that came to influence Hegel was deeply infused with Christian theology and medieval thought.

>> No.17971758

>>17971240
Holy fuck no, do not read this book or even any books by or on Kant. Just adopt the word cunt into your vocabulary as a constant reminder.

>> No.17971776

>>17971750
All false religion is satanic or else lucifierian ultimately

>> No.17971808

>>17971776
I fail to see how Hermeticism is a religion? If this is tour criterion of Satanism, it can be applied just as well to Platonism or any Greek strand of philosophy. At that point the term is practically meaningless, surely you wouldn't admit that the Church Fathers were influenced by satanic thought? Considering a large portion of early theological thinking took influence from Platonism and Aristotelianism. Again, I don't see why this matters at all considering the fact that Hegel isn't an orthodox Christian himself, though I fail to see how this could make him some occult satanist or whatever.

>> No.17971960

Reason is not all there is. Kant was a loser.