/lit/ - Literature

The 4chan book series, of course.

>>17968445
I've never read this manga, but I thought it has a happy ending, no? People were saying the main character solves racism, dies, and gets to reincarnate as a bird, free as can be.

>>17968445
read homer's illiad and odyssey

>>17968466
>>17968445
The last chapter is out? Where

>>17968466
the entire series is shit and the ending is even more shit. If you want good manga start with Berserk or Vagabond (vagabond is based on the Musashi novel)

>>17968459
Based. I only read Call of the Arcade though. Thanks for reminding me to read the rest.

>>17968445
LotR? Idk, I'm more of a true crime fanatic.

>>17968493
Oh, I know good manga, don't worry

>>17968466
The ending is kind of sad but not in a satisfying way. The MC's character did a 180° turn and feels like someone else. The conflict should still exist but it stopped because the author said so. And one of those things is implied, but not confirmed.
>>17968483
The Korean scans are out, proving that the leaks were right
>>17968469
I read the Illiad a long time ago but I was too young. I gotta read it again.
>>17968493
It had some very good points considering it was a shonen, but the ending is beyond shit

>>17968500
SBR is good. part 6 gets an animation soon which is nice, tho not really interested in it, stopped reading at chapter 70~. But really, give Vagabond a go. It's not finished and never will be so you could read the novel which is something I am going to do after I finish reading Ted K's manifesto and Zodiac by Robert Graysmith.

>>17968445
Go to /sffg/

>>17968493
>good manga
>Berserk

>>17968535
It's good if you understand it in my opinion.

>>17968541
Get more /lit/ and you'll understand why it's trash.

>>17968445
>Are there any books where the author keeps characters consistent and doesn't pussy out in the end?
You forgot to read your last manga

>>17968553
To be honest I only like it because of the god hand. I want to know their origin + all of their stories and I'll be satisfied. Also I wanna read your opinion to why it's trash, just curious.

>>17968493
AoT was really good for anime standards but they completely botched it in the recent chapters. Feels like GoT.

>>17968571
I made a few posts in a previous /sffg/ thread a week or so ago. Thankfully, /sffg/ threads link the older ones in the new one. Check them, I'll just say that the Black Swordsman arc is the best one and the manga's best draw --God hand-- have been trashed ever since. You are waiting on something that is going to drop the ball on your balls.

the ending reminded me why literature is superior

>>17968459
The writing style in these feels a lot like how manga is paced, desu.

>>17968555
Based. Really hyped for the rest of nomad after seeing the first episode

>>17968719
Just wait til you get to the prison arc friend

Most of the big-time popular manga are shitty, because the authors get greedy and refuse to end the story when they should. I like stories that are planned out from beginning to end, they are much less likely to turn to shit. This practice of continuously making up new content every week/month is pretty much unheard of in literature, so stories fall apart much less often than manga.

>>17968578
>AoT was really good for anime standards
no it wasn't

>>17968459
is /lit/ right about that book being shit and it being shilled by the same faggot all the time?

>>17968445
Atlas Shrugged and I'm not even memeing

>>17968445
>Are there any books where the author keeps characters consistent and doesn't pussy out in the end?
Yes.

>>17968719
i couldn't believe how good that first episode was.

>>17968445
>Are there any books where the author keeps characters consistent and doesn't pussy out in the end?
Glad I'm not alone, been following this for a decade just for it to turn to shit at the finish line and somehow the anime went to shit at the exact same time
I can only enjoy manga for the art now. Can't believe I spent years shilling this

>>17968445
Go to the science fiction and fantasy general and ask there, unless you are looking for something more specific like mistery, or horror, or whatever.

>>17968719
>>17969257
Are you talking about AnJ or MB

>>17969269
It made me realize how incredibly fucking cringe I am.
I'm rethinking it all because of how shit this was. I wish I had done something else instead of reading this shit.
I grew to dislike all politics and now all media so much now. Thank you Isayama. I think I'll just go to an onsen too and stay there until I die to make up for my cringe.

>>17968445
>i'm done with consuming product x
>time to consume product y
Go back, disgusting piece of shit.

>>17969343
>i'm done with consuming product x
>time to consume product y
I'm sure that sounded great in your head

>>17968445
I wouldn't call it an disappointment. Eren did end up gassing almost all of the non-Eldian Marlyans and would have continued onto the whole world had he not been stopped.

>>17968445
>>17968516
>The MC's character did a 180° turn and feels like someone else
What? How can you unironically say that. You just hoped that his character has made a 180 and when it became clear that no, Eren is still that emotional teenager at 19 he always was, you get mad and blame Isayama.
Why project your great plans on this uneducated naive kid? It is not at all surprising that even with all the supernatural powers and gifts he was given Eren still managed to find a way to somehow not get the (easy) victory. He is a slave to his emotions and therefore failed in certain aspects.
The two main goals were achieved, and if the translation pf him doing the Rumbling because “he just felt like it” it implies a sense of destiny in him at least achieving the goal to get rid of the titans.
Its incredibly tragic how Eren himself doesn’t get a happy ending, but it perfectly fits his character and it makes the story a lot less pretentious and instead allows for pondering on the readers side who gets to think about this naive kid, how the plot unfolded and why this kid didnt find his perfect ending. He wasn’t LeLouching either, he really just was the familyzoned Incel who lost to his friends and still had the curse broken. If eldia survives or is even in a more optimal situation now than before is totally irrelevant to him.
Eren in the end really is that pathetic kid crying in the stream at Armin that he wishes he could be with Mikasa and even though he wants her to be happy cant stand her having a different man.
He’s only 19 had minimum education (only like elementary school level) and had a hot uncontrollable temper since the beginning.
I am after doubting the leaks the past days really happy after having seen the korean leaks. I prefer this over any pretentious winner takes all ending.

>>17969269
>>17969326
this >>17969941 is addressed to (you) too.
I really feel you are missing the artist here with your expectations.
I will hold SNK as a manga or as a (future final) anime over most other nip shit I have seen or read.
Floch and Eren are good characters.

>>17969240
I've bought Sasuke's and Kakashi's story 4 years ago and I got so bored I didn't continue past page 3.

>>17968445
If you think SnK is good or was good at any point I am sorry, there is no hope for you.

>>17968555
This shit blows anything that came after it out of the water

>>17969343
We like reading books here, what baord do you think you're on lol

Was Eren the bad guy?

Also is this real? I will kill Isayama if he actually wrote this.

>>17969998
Sasuke's is the last one of Itachi's series, making it 3 books, and didn't need to be written. It's literally the written version of a filler episode in Boruto, if I remember correctly. I have no idea about Kakashi's, but it's probably the same.
Itachi's ones are decent because they grab all of the bits we see in the manga/anime from the time Itachi is a kid to the point he kills the Uchiha, while also adding extra content, especially in the friendship between him and Shisui.
Also, I think the initial releases have quite a few translation and grammar problems, since I see people complaining, but the torrent I got has [Revision 2] on them.

>>17969170
Of course not. If you don't have adblock on these ads are all over the site. So they've built some fans on here. I see threads about these on other boards too, every now and then. I only read Call of the Arcade so I can't comment on the books as a whole. It's good in a pulpy kind of way. It has an interesting twist and ends up being very similar to End of Evangelion. I think that might be why it's caught on on 4chan.

>>17970067
>nooo MC of shonen cant gave an actual love interest he desperately wants after he reached his destined goals!!!!
>that onseeeeeeen!!!
fuck off faggot. eren was the best character at showing emotion in SNK and after x chapters we finally get him back again from the sleep stasis he was in.

King Solomon's Mines is a good adventure novel

>>17970149
>committed genocide because he was an incel
>killed his own mother in the past because he got cucked in the future
Erencels on suicide watch.

>>17969941
>>17969980
This was my original thought, and planned to post this on the /a/ thread but decided against it:
>>219868015

I honestly believe the true ending was changed (maybe due to pressure by editor as well) because the far majority of Asia had Mikasa as the most popular female character and far more EM shippers than EH.
I am not an EH but a plot "chad" and EH was a solid conclusion and looked pretty kino, but this last chapter felt so wrong and was pretty much character assassination. I think Filmbuff, one of the top tier plotchads, just said in his last reaction vid that no way could Historia have a baby with a fucking no-name, no-face farmer. I think his reaction to 139 Eren being literally more pathetic than season 1 Eren and having no character growth will be very sad.

The manga felt very rushed and there are literally a hundred things that feels incomplete. I wonder if this rush and drop in quality was Isayama not giving a crap since he couldn't give a true ending.

I've never seen a piece of media go from kino to rock bottom this quickly, like a sudden drop. baffling.

But after reading posts like >>17969941
and getting rid of some cope, I think >>17969941 is looking more correct. if you look at the AU spin off, isayama mentioned that the characters are 100% the same person but in another universe. https://kitsune-ema999.tumblr.com/post/186547369354/i-know-a-lot-of-people-have-been-looking-all-over

Eren is a nobody, "nothing in particular", no dreams or ambitions. He just wants to live in peace and mind his own business. he starts wailing like a baby when his herioc zombie dream ends.

his official IQ of 3/10 wont change just because he is now 19. He was always a raging retard, not this "chad" many readers hoped him to be.

I think >>17969941's statement of liking the ending because it wasn't pretentious and presented Shingeki as what it was: "A shonen with some interesting themes but ultimately not deep at all" is a smart one. t the end SnK is a babby's piece of media.

most of the disappointment from the fans are because of their projections and sense of higher taste that never would have manifested in the shonen in the first place.

>story about how revenge is bad and how you can't kill others just because of their ancestors misdeeds
>people are mad because Eren doesn't commit genocide
I don't get it.

>>17970189
1. you didn't read the feat (or if you did you're speedreader-kun)
2. the themes of the manga went over your head, which is a spectacular befitting of a dumb anime poster

>>17970189
>doesn’t get pussy
>kills his parents
>kills 80% of the world
The most pathetic MC in history.

>>17970189
I'm not mad because eren lost at all. I'm mad because the last few chapters have been garbage. The ending especially.

Eren is so pathetic, I'll never be able to read or watch AoT again after this.

>>17969941
You might be right, but I can't help but dislike the whole series now.

I just expected something else.

>>17970224
>2. the themes of the manga went over your head, which is a spectacular befitting of a dumb anime poster
Tell me what the themes of the manga are then.
>>17970230
That would be Mirai Nikki's Yuuki though.

>>17970067
WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST TELL HER YOU IDIOT

SHE LOVED YOU, YOU SHOULD HAVE CONFESSED TO HER

>>17970178
did you mean to crossboard (you) an /a/ thread?

>>17970230
>doesn’t get pussy
>kills his parents
>kills 80% of the world
this sounds like the most based thing i've ever heard of though

>>17970230
>The most pathetic MC
and that is what makes it good.
All I want is to hug paths Eren now. He is far more grounded and real (to the reader) now than if he had won
>>17970480
>what am I to you?
>t. speedreader

>>17970178
I hope AU Eren gets a better ending, assuming Isayama continues it, that is.

>>17970562
DON'T PULL THAT SHIT ON ME, SHE CLEARLY SAID THAT BECAUSE MIKASA WAS SHY, IT'S OBVIOUS SHE LOVED HIM, HOW COULD HE NOT SEE IT

Ok, no, you know what, you're right, I'm expecting too much from someone WITH A THREE OUT OF TEN WITS SCORE, IT'S A MIRACLE HE KNOWS HOW TO FUCKING BREATHE

>>17969941
Ever since the timeskip he was shown to have changed. You can't tell me in the last chapter that he's still the same retard as before without even foreshadowing it. It just feels like a 180° turn.
Even worse, the final chapter states that he let his mother die, which contradicts the very character you're trying to say he is.
>Pretentious
Elaborate

I actually prefer discussing this on /lit/ instead of the autism fest that is /a/.

I do not care about fanboy this, fanboy that but this was actually an interesting manga to read. However, the last few chapters have been so confusingly inconsistent and nonsensical I do not comprehend what the thinking process behind all of this was.

How can you botch your ending this much? At least with GoT the writers were just hacks that have not been up to the task. But all of this was signed off by the main author. Does he want to destroy his legacy and epically troll people? Does he try to make an insipid social statement about Japanese culture?

>>17970683
This whole thing had made me decide to steer away from all series that are unfinished, I refuse to let this happen to me again.

>>17970705
I feel your pain bro. After GoT, I swore to take part in unfinished media. I never read AoT, but I know the feel of a crappy ending to a great thing.

Here, have a baby giraffe

>>17969170
Yes, Gardner is fucking nuts and will samefag threads endlessly.

>>17970749
Thanks, that's a cute giraffe.

>>17970705
After HIMYM, Dexter, GoT etc I was already on guard but this ending was just stupid, if it is real (which it likely is). Funnily enough, I can't recall a book series tanking it this much. Many peter out slowly, but there is none where the characters are just completely nonsensical. I am not counting the ones where the author dies.

>>17968445
LOTR

The MAL score is going down, it went from 8.78 to 8.75, a small change, but it's something, I wonder if it'll keep going down or if it'll go up after the official chapter release on Friday.

>>17970815
Both beautiful books and movies. My god RotK had such a colossal and beautiful ending.

>>17970770
>fucking nuts

Kek. You're the one pitching a conspiracy theory. Just like how everything on /pol is "da jooz" everyone you hate is "f gardner"

>>17970869
Ignore him. He is a retard. Call of the Arcade genuinely does feel like an anime. Never thought about it like that. Even has the giant Kaiju.

>>17970025
Good post. SnK has sub-Naruto quality of writing. It's laughable that so many people were invested in this utter rubbish.

>>17970590
>WITH A THREE OUT OF TEN WITS SCORE,
yep.
>>17970613
Listen. I will not try and make the timelines somehow align and explain themselves with the necessary “eren is dumb” fillers,
But it shouldn’t be too difficult to come to an understanding how even though Eren made Dina kill his mother and how he influenced Grisha that the original/vanilla Eren only at a certain point in the “standard” timeline achieved the omniscience etc. powers (kiss on Hisu’s hand, ...). The “180 Eren” is the one who molded and formed original Eren so how could he actually make a 180 when it was always his own actions guiding himself?
I definitely dont want to defend specific issues or dilemmas here but its kind of necessary to somehow argument yourself to a satisfying point to accept this.
When Eren becomes a literal God there is no way argumentative we should not say he can will his perfect reality, but how fucking boring is that? Like a child fairytale that ends in the protagonist’s happy ending but with a pinch of edge since it is a shonen. It would have been incredibly insipid and all the /a/ pretentious losers seething that a perfect ending didnt result fall under this childish category where, yes SNK would have had a fullfilling and “”””kino”””” ending but it would have just been the edgy version of avengers (or an unironic cringevengers victory that Eren hadn’t foreseen, as he did the canon one).
Now Id just be repeating what I posted above trying to convey how Eren actually is a great character finally (with his flaws) that garners so much empathy now, once the reader can look past his personal expectations and projections. Eren crying at Armin is incredibly pathetic but it is the same Eren who would bitch and moan in earlier Scouts-days.
Im glad the manga seemed to have filtered a large chunk of fans actually. It is still only a manga but it really proved itself to be worth a lot more than what other mangas of the same type achieved.

One anon made a thread where he said that the ending also shows the never ending war and strife in the world and that an absolute final ending never really does come. I definitely would add these points to my view of Eren as the weak Hero, who achieved the main goals but failed himself, in the greater context of SNK. The canon fallible Eren is a true person, any copefictions would have left an idealization of a person of Eren.

>>17970939
God I hate post-rationalization 3D chess posts like these. They are the worst type of cope.

>>17970939
Alright, I concede, you're right, it's not the manga's fault, it's mine, mine for not realizing that the protagonist was simply a blind retard that cannot see what's right in front of him. I will take care so that I do not make this same mistake twice.

>>17970749
>>17970705
>unfinished
so are we going to avoid Kafka, Summa Theologia, the Pale King etc. as well or are you going to use the
>not a series
bitch way out?

You were simply filtered by a hack (A hack who probably never intended to actually filter or deceive his readers in the first place).

>>17970991
Those ones do have an ending though, by ending I mean that they finish and do not continue, sure it is not the ending that the authors planned, but it is an ending.

>>17970991
>so are we going to avoid Kafka, Summa Theologia, the Pale King etc
Yes? As I said, I learning my lesson with GoT. You want me to read it? Finish it.

>>17970985
read Kierkegaard or perhaps from a completely different direction some stoics and realize there is more profundity to the loser fool Eren than meets the emotional individual’s eyes who is still see the ing about his projection “kino” fiction not coming true.

Getting mad about Eren being pathetic crying to Armin is on some level like getting mad at Job being pathetic in his pouting stubbornness lying in his dirt hole. You are clearly missing something if you think you instantly outsmarted this “totally unreasonable” situation (/disposition).

>>17968466
Eren doesn't have to *be* the bird, imo. It just means he's out there, looking out for Mikasa.

>>17971050
>see the ing
“seething”of course kek

>>17971050
No, I won't, the more I think about this the more frustrated and angry I get, I think what's best for me would be to focus on something else and forget this ever happened.

>>17970939
>When Eren becomes a literal God there is no way argumentative we should not say he can will his perfect reality, but how fucking boring is that? Like a child fairytale that ends in the protagonist’s happy ending but with a pinch of edge since it is a shonen. It would have been incredibly insipid and all the /a/ pretentious losers seething that a perfect ending didnt result fall under this childish category where, yes SNK would have had a fullfilling and “”””kino”””” ending but it would have just been the edgy version of avengers (or an unironic cringevengers victory that Eren hadn’t foreseen, as he did the canon one).
It's not "Eren winning" by itself what could've made a much better ending. The conflict was built up in such a way that there couldn't be a non-violent way for it to end. And when Eren dies and there are angry Marleyans left, it just stops because fuck it. The deeply rooted racism and hatred suddenly disappears because the author wanted to put Armin on a pedestal. There was no way to end it that didn't involve killing everyone but here we are. No one in the alliance knew what to do if Eren was somehow stopped. They chose their enemies over their own people and still got rewarded. How unsatisfying.
Eren winning would also mean that the belief where all of humanity was wiped out and all that remains beyond the "walls" are titans would come true.
>Eren actually is a great character finally (with his flaws) that garners so much empathy now
Eren was still a great character before 139 and still had flaws. And again, none of this was foreshadowed so it still felt like the author took a piss on his readers.
>Im glad the manga seemed to have filtered a large chunk of fans actually. It is still only a manga but it really proved itself to be worth a lot more than what other mangas of the same type achieved.
This is where I start to think you're baiting and I'm the retard for replying. But subverting expectations and choosing the ending that just loosely connects with each character and forces things to happen for the sake of happening can't be considered by any means as a good ending.

In my headcanon Mikasa gets blacked by Onyankopon after the alliance beats Eren.

>>17969941
Eren's character arc is tragic as hell. He thinks he's doing things because he wants to, but is instead inherinting a ton of hate and racist retardation that's been rolling around for millenia. He's literally no different from the descendants of king Fritz, excpet that his controlling ideology was passed down from someone else. His shitty development is also a very interesting study on youth radicalization. He started out feeling understandably furious at what happened to him and his friends, but his incomplete understanding of the situation led him to further complicate things over and over. Finally, after the basement thing, when he finally finds himself in a position to do something about the big picture, his hatred and neurosis have ossified, and his "us vs. them" mentality has been transferred from the titans to all non-Eldians. In the end, he lost everything and he knew it, even his chance at a happy personal life. And if anyone will fix things in a more permanent matter it will be people like Armin and the other cunts that didn't let their anger dominate them and tried an approach different from "lol just kill'em all".

God, I such a retard, not even the author himself thought this manga something that could be considered worthwhile, I can't believe I let this happen to me.

>>17968493
>If you want good manga start with Berserk
Bait. I read Berserk two months ago and it is 90% shit

>>17971142
Even after starting the Rumbling and after telling Armin everything, Armin still tried to help him, but he just refused.

>>17971142
>And if anyone will fix things in a more permanent matter it will be people like Armin and the other cunts that didn't let their anger dominate them and tried an approach different from "lol just kill'em all".
Everyone except Eren stood still waiting for their demise. They were all passive characters who just reacted to Eren and his villainous plan without even providing their own in order to solve the conflict.

>>17970067
This fucking kills me. WHY THE FUCK FUUCK FUCK FUCK

Get into ASOIAF. Books 1-3 are fantastic, 4 & 5 are mediocre since they are just moving pieces around for all the stuff that will happen in book 6 (if it ever comes out).
>inb4 not real literature
It's a manga guy asking, I'm not gonna tell him to start with The Brothers Karamazov

>>17971142
If anything gets fixed it's thanks to Eren eliminating the titan curse, he made it so that eldians are now just regular humans, and this will enable the people of the world to eventually grow past their hate of eldians. Had eldians stayed as people who could transform into giant monsters, humanity would have never ceased their hostilities against them.

>>17971220
Why would you do this? GoT's ending was all-time bad, and ASOIAF will either follow it or never be completed

>>17968445
Here, OP, if you want something with a good ending but easy to read try the Dragon Brigade Trilogy by Margaret Weis

>>17971220
The reason he wants to get into /lit/ is because snk’s ending is the WOAT. Can’t blame you OP, 10 years of investment for the biggest character assassination in history.

>>17971097
Yeah, Isayama is a hack and I do not like a single one of the cringevengers. But it was Eren who cared about them and this had a big impact on his decision for which outcome (at least he cared about some; Hange must have apparently been expendable to him, perhaps for her weird behavior towards him kek).
> But subverting expectations and choosing the ending that just loosely connects with each character and forces things to happen for the sake of happening can't be considered by any means as a good ending.
oh no. Absolutely I agree. and I really am not baiting. I meant it mor ein the sense that Manga and Anime fans are really fucking dumb. They like the most stupid shit and are usually only slightly removed from the unironic Avengers fan.
I really like the ending (obviously) and to know that for many of the people I despise it was unsatisfying is somehow reassuring in my conviction that there is a great profundity in the finale; specifically a profundity in Eren’s character.
I don’t think will in future reflect too much on the intricacies of the plot but I certainly will about the character Eren and how it is to be understood outside of the manga but in the real world. I don’t mean to have this come off as though I were a total prig but it does make me happy to feel that I will have something to ponder about that should be certainly somewhat profound and moving instead of just having received some ebin “kino” animu finale that fails to hold some perpetual interest due to its blunt and obvious nature.

Btw I truly was annoyed at the leaks till the korean scans came out and I saw them (knowing all the dialog and context from other leaks). I was hoping and expecting something different for the longest time and also complained about the past chapters expecting something different. But by 137 and certainly 138 I was already willing to give the manga some chance and allow Isayama to do his own thing eventhough I never fully gave up my projections and hopes till today.
(this is not admitting to coping btw; rather the complete opposite).

All I'm getting from this is that Eren is just your average Greek tragedy hero, someone who tries his best but fails because of his flaws.

>>17971260
>(this is not admitting to coping btw; rather the complete opposite).
:|

>>17971142
completely disagree.
Eren wanted to remove the titan curse and have his friends be free. Removing the curse was the unavoidable goal even his low IQ couldn’t avoid; his love for his friends was just what settled his choice for which outcome his pea brain could contrive.
Crrtain elements of the Us vs Them existed of course with his belief to kill marleyans for the safety of Eldia but really that should not be the essential aspect in the tragedy of Eren’s character.

>>17971208
he’s 19.
He’s an idiot.

So much for chadren huh

The real chad in this story was the fucking farmer

>>17971367
As is tradition.

>>17968445
You did read Kinomoto and Toriyama before quitting, right?

>>17971238
>and ASOIAF will either follow it or never be completed
Given the backlash the HBO series received, I hope that Martin learned something from it and won't write anything nearly as bad as that.

>>17971406
Of course
>>17971238
>Dragon Brigade Trilogy by Margaret Weis
I'll give it a try

>>17970991
>so are we going to avoid Kafka, Summa Theologia, the Pale King etc.
Are you retarded? The authors of all those books are dead. They can never be finished. Shit like HxH or Berserk can still go bad which is why I won’t read them.

>>17968445
Just read Berserk, it will never end so you will never be disappointed

>>17968445
It's weird to consider that in all of the history of literature this hasn't been something exactly like anime, maybe the Chinese classics Journey to the West and the Water Margin come close from what I hear. Even what would be considered the "anime" of its day like Charles Dickens novels are not exactly anime as they deal heavily in contemporary social issues, which anime certainly does not at all. Maybe things like the Iliad come close, and at least a lot of texts certainly have anime-esque elements looked at retrospectively, but none hit the exact mark in sensibility.

Satan's monologues in Milton's Paradise Lost do kinda have that feel, as does the showdown of his with the archangel Michael, which could not be seen as anything other than a shounen anime fight if the fight actually went through before they were interrupted

>What though the field be lost?
>All is not lost; the unconquerable Will,
>And study of revenge, immortal hate,
>And courage never to submit or yield:
>And what is else not to be overcome?
>That Glory never shall his wrath or might
>Extort from me. To bow and sue for grace
>With suppliant knee, and deifie his power
>Who from the terrour of this Arm so late
>Doubted his Empire, that were low indeed,
>That were an ignominy and shame beneath
>This downfall; since by Fate the strength of Gods
>And this Empyreal substance cannot fail,
>Since through experience of this great event
>In Arms not worse, in foresight much advanc’t,
>We may with more successful hope resolve
>To wage by force or guile eternal Warr
>Irreconcileable, to our grand Foe,
>Who now triumphs, and in th’ excess of joy
>Sole reigning holds the Tyranny of Heav’n.

I think people just need to have appropriate expectations for adjusted levels of emotional investment and distance. A book publishing company usually asks for a fiction novel to at least be semi coherent from start to end so you'll probably get some kind of resolution by the last page, even if it's part of a series. Many manga just wing it as they go, so it's not that surprising if a very plot heavy one starts to shake apart at some point(s). From what I've seen, SnK was writing bigger and bigger IOUs with its twists and turns to keep people hooked, so it was shouldering a ton of risk on the final act. And the odds don't look great for something like that.

I'm not gonna lie, I wish that Isayama had followed through and depicted what would normally occur under such circumstances: the total conquest of the outside world and the creation of an aristocracy centered on Eren, Armin, Mikasa, the rest of the Scout old guard, and the few outsiders who allied with them prior to their victory.
I find it very difficult to believe that peasants and burghers living in such a technologically backward society would have the same sensibilities as Enlightenment philosophes, or even the average person today, so much of what has taken place in the series since the timeskip feels forced. If Isayama had spent some time thinking about the implications of war in a world where there has never been a UN, a League of Nations, a Geneva Convention, or a Kellog-Briand Pact, and then decided to depict that world without allowing the work to devolve into a crude caricature of Nazism, then Attack on Titan could have been something genuinely good. Instead he turned it into the same tired morality play about "the cycle of violence" (has anyone heard of any violence between Germany and Poland or Japan and America since 1945? I'd really like to know.) that almost every single inhabitant of the industrialized democracies alive today has had shoved down their throats since the day they were born.
I don't feel disappointed, but I do feel that this ending has been disappointing.
Shingeki no Kyojin actually means The Attack Titan, by the way. I much prefer the faithfully translated title to the Engrish Attack on Titan, but that may just be me.

>>17971507
There's something to be said for short story anthologies and the like. When the work itself is smaller, a good ending that is satisfying is easier to write.

>>17968445
Read this

>>17971507
Don't forget about Dostoevsky's The Idiot though which was pretty famously written as it was published in installments after the first part, but still turned out pretty interesting in the end. But believe me, I would be the last person to even try and draw parallels between Isayama and an actually competent storyteller though

>>17971499
If fight scenes are what you're looking for, stuff like chivalric romances and chansons de geste have them, to give an example the song of roland has several(and quite repetitive) scenes where knights hit rum through enemies with their lances, and there are also some pretty absurd scenes where Roland cuts several of his enemies in half, from head to groin, he even goes further and actually ends up cutting the saddle and even the horse the opponent is riding.

But from my experience the description of the fights are often generalized, they don't tend to go into too much detail, though this depends, I haven't read it but I think I heard somewhere that Orlando Furioso has some detailed fights.

Eren should have ran away with Mikasa

>>17971512
Well Eren wanted to break that cycle and free everyone which is what made him an interesting figure. Now it feels like Isayama retconned everything about Eren in the last chapter. Absolutely pathetic.

>>17971765
The problem is that there is no such thing as a cycle of violence. It's a myth. Eren as a conqueror would have been more interesting.

I don’t understand why people talk about Attack on Titan like it’s Evangelion and there’s some super serious subtext and tropes in there. It’s obviously not that at all.

>>17971809
Cont’d

It’s the anime and manga equivalent of Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones is a series which is basically just low brow, childish YA fantasy dressed up in “mature” clothing to make it look deeper than it is. The way I see it, SnK is exactly the same and I genuinely don’t understand what people see in it.

>>17971817
ASOIAF is good and no amount of lit contrarianism can make it bad

>>17971846
I didn’t say it’s not good. For what it is, it’s perfectly good. That still doesn’t make it anything other than what it is, which, exactly as I described is, basically just generic fantasy dressed up in mature clothing.

>>17971809
>>17971817
I don't consume much popular media, but I have the impression that there are not very many tales of war, valor, and revenge that are not a paean to pacifism, a glorification of the present world order, or an over-the-top exaggerated depiction of violence and adventure. The work's seriousness, its initial focus on duty, loyalty, military courage, and vengeance on behalf of one's people, and the typical shounen focus on an elite vanguard of heroes who go forth to enact their vision coalesced into what could very well have been a work of art produced to encourage patriotism and national feeling in young boys.
The kind of national feeling that the initial chapters of the work imply has been strongly discouraged in our countries, and especially in Japan, for a very long time now, so it probably feels fresh to a lot of people.

>>17971900
exactly.

>>17971050
there is nothing profound about narrative dissonance resulting from incompetent writing

I've reread the ending and I don't think it's bad, but it's not good either.

Honestly if I was Eren I would have just followed Zeke's sterilization plan and then I would escape with Mikasa to a cabin in the woods to spend the rest of my days.

>>17971900
ASOIAF is a lot better than Evangelion, so...

>>17970384
if you think that yuuki is worse than eren you haven't read SnK

>>17971809
evangelion is way dumdumer than SnK you pseud

>>17971817
idk if you're read SnK but it was basically the pinnacle of kino in chapters 100-123

>>17972046
This is the most infuriating part. Why did Eren betray Zeke then?

I liked AoT better when it was the supposed remnants of humanity in a city with giant walls fighting against titans.

I didn't like the stuff post-basement.

>>17972046
The sensible ways out went pretty rigid as soon as Marley was revealed to be the way it was. Their utter and complete lack of responsibility of their side of the conflict doomed the world to call upon the extinction of one or the other, since the countries of its world are quite militant and are a hair away from developing faster bomber planes that can carry huge payloads to sink any island into the ocean if they wish. The only 'peaceful' way was probably the complete sacrifice Zeke wanted. A single scapegoat sacrifice wouldn't be enough, because the very nature of scapegoats quieting violence is only temporary until the original problem bubbles back

manga is literature!!!

>>17972381
same. i'm a sucker for holdouts/tower defense. learning that there are only giant monsters on one island and the rest of the world is victorian era was dumb

>>17968535
nice b8 m8

>>17968658
>>17968578
>>17968483
all you retards need to gtfo. attack on plot shield was probably the worst anime I've ever seen. sasuke-kun the anime.

>>17971436
See, Miura could drop the ball completely or die before finishing Berserk and it would still be a masterpiece for Golden Age alone. SnK never had any self-contained arcs that could have withstood an ending like this. Also, Togashi is clearly making shit up as he goes along. I have no idea why you'd have any expectations for HxH.

>17973184
Weak bait

The Japs don't "do" endings. Simple as.

>>17972885
>mangashitter thinks it is bait
Even /a/ isn't retarded enough to think Berserk is good.

>>17973346
VGH THE FAVSTIAN SPIRIT

>>17968499
>True Crime
Sensational drivel for literal women.

>>17973356
wow /a/ has really turned on Berserk from ~10 years ago then. For me Berserk ends after the eclipse. I can see how years of the boat trip can turn you against it, though.

>>17969343
Can the midwits here who never read a SINGLE book in their lives stop acting like there's some kind of equivalence between reading manchild manga garbage and the literary classics?

>>17973294
The end of chimera ant is a pretty serviceable place to stop HxH. It wasn't perfect, but it was ok

>>17973386
i actually read books and I can tell you there's not much of a difference

>>17970837
the jewlywood movie was muddy dreg fantasy capeshit.

>>17973397
What do you read? I get the feeling you're primarily a novel reader.

>>17971220
>Get into ASOIAF. Books 1-3 are fantastic

>>17973294
>and it would still be a masterpiece for Golden Age alone.
Golden Age is crap and pretentious. Black Swordsman was the only sincere arc (yes it's shit but it has actual soul).

>getting mad at fictional characters and endings
pure onions

>>17973375
Golden age is shit too. Edgy shonen

>>17969170
Yes, the author literally shills his retarded bs here

>>17968924
>authors get greedy
You mean publisher. Author would probably just as much liked to end it and start something else, but it's the publisher that decides when something gets either axed or stretched to very limits. And this stuff more or less happened with literature, too, newspaper serials had varying quality.

>>17973346
I have confirmed this experience by watching Japanese movies.

>>17970705
Based

>>17970749
Extra based

>>17971809
Everything, especially popular media in this case, has meta-subtext regardless of the authors intentions.

>>17973550
nice b8 m8

>>17974006
Weeb

bump

>>17973550
Its still lightyears better than anything after it desu

>>17974673
Trash can be better than dumpster fire. Only the first arc is worth anything.

>>17974683
Black Swordsman was pretty great, but I think Golden Age is better for its more somber and less edgy moments. Stuff like Wyald is pretty trashy and edgy though, shame the series keeps on indulging in those sorts of excesses.