/lit/ - Literature

>>17921303
>As a small child I felt I was a boy, I dressed like a boy and behaved like a boy, but children at that age are still neutral in their gender
I doubt it.
>It finally emerges in a burst of giggles: “Timothée Chalamet, star of Call Me by Your Name – I want to be a beautiful boy.”
How novel, a young woman fantasizing about being the bottom in an age gap homosexual relationship. Never before have I heard of such a crazy thing!

>>17921303
Androgynes are angelic creatures and should be encouraged.

>>17921303
>In the novel, Jas builds a fantasy about a Jewish family her mother has hidden away in the basement. She acts out her social alienation by making a Nazi salute at school and cracking a joke which was judged too offensive for the English edition of the novel.
what was the joke??

>>17921510
It is sad that so many are drawn in by the hedonistic condition of the world, instead of cultivating their higher calling.

>>17921516
>"Knock knock"
>"Who's there?"
>"Jew"
>"Jew who?"
>"Jew momma"

>>17921303
>>“Farming keeps me grounded. The cows are my best friends; I like cleaning out the stables and shovelling the shit.”
So fucking based

>>17921510
Indeed

>>17921528
Why not both.

>>17921516
something about hitler and running out of gas if i remember

>>17921303
>she's younger than me
time to die

>>17921303
>“As a small child I felt I was a boy, I dressed like a boy and behaved like a boy
Can someone unironically help me understand all this LBGBTQ gender babble? Why are transexuals so obsessed with associating roles and norms to masc/fem genders while denying gender exists??
>Yeah I have a vagina but I know I'm a man
>You don't understand, I know I'm a man because I like dressing like a man, I'd like to have a penis and grow a beard.
>Btw abolish gender
>?????

>>17921576
And that was considered too edgy??

>>17921707
I don't get it either. 99% of transfags just dress like caricatures of whorish women. They have a fucked up idea of women.

>>17921707
I think it's pretty obvious. Gender isn't abolished yet, either in society or in the mind, so any radical disconnect between norms and one's own desires can only be expressed in a normative way. The totality of norms associated with the term "Woman" is more comfortable than those referred to as "Man". Saying that such things are socially constructed does nothing to deny their material existence, and pretending like we lived in a world free of gender norms would be a farce. That's my understanding of it at least.

>>17921722
Sadly, this might also be said of many biological females.

>>17921742
Gender was invented by psychologist John Money in the 1950s when he tortured little kids into telling him they were girls. It didn't exist prior to that. Sex=gender.

>>17921754
Absurdly retarded take, completely nonsensical, you should be ashamed. Stop watching YouTube videos you soulless prole

>>17921754
Fun fact: this wasn't the only case in which a biologically male child was raised female after a botched circumcision. There were many cases like it in which the child was raised believing they were a girl without problem. Not saying it's right, but it happened - apparently gender identity isn't something so biologically innate that it isn't subject to some of nurture's influence.

>>17921707
>>17921722
>>17921742
I'm convinced that 75% of all "transsexuals" are just NB. It's just this very casual disconnect from gender that gets filtered through the internet until "sometimes I wanna feel like a princess, and sometimes I wanna feel like a lumberjack" turns into "I have a physical illness and crippling body dysmorphia", because that's what's going on right now. It also explains why so many "transsexuals" are so miserable post-op; because it was never about their body, just expression.

>>17921776
Sounds like cope to me. There's only men, women. Nothing else.

>>17921777
Brainwashing doesn't mean there are more than two sexes. A brainwashed male is still a male.

>>17921742
>yet
You freaks will never be able to excise fundamental parts of human nature no matter how hard you try. Your utopian vision will be the death of us all.

>>17921776
>He was one of the first researchers to publish theories on the influence of societal constructs of gender on individual formation of gender identity. Money introduced the terms gender identity, gender role and sexual orientation and popularised the term paraphilia
>Recent academic studies have criticized Money's work in many respects, particularly in regard to his involvement with the involuntary sex-reassignment of the child David Reimer,[3] his forcing this child and his brother to simulate sex acts which Money photographed[4] and the adult suicides of both brothers.[4]
It's not too late to reject the life of sin you have been deceived into.

>>17921742
So, let's suppose all the conceptions about gender and biological sex magically disappear, would that mean transexuals would cease to exist too? Or would there still be people with vaginas who wanted penises and viceversa? Because if that were the case it would mean that:
a) those people suffer from some kind of body dysmorphia, therefore they are mentally ill and should seek help
or
b)they are admitting gender=biological sex, because they would need to change their genitals to match their 'true' inner self (gender??)
I'm trying to understand trans logic here, for real

>>17921792
I'd be inclined to agree with you if it was just cultural forces at play. Sure gender norms may become looser, but "Abolished"? If anything, the past few years have shown the remarkable ability of gender norms to incorporate the challenges it faces in transgender people or whatever. However, I think it may become more uncertain if our knowledge of the human body and technologies to manipulate it continue to progress.

>>17921809
I mean, your own reference says that he did more than just have them raised as the other gender. There was some clear sexual abuse of the children, regardless whether he did to satisfy his own pedophillic desires or misplaced scientific curiosity.

>>17921781
It sounds like "cope," which is little more than a meaningless newspeak babble word crafted entirely from meaningless internet propaganda/shitposting, because you're stupid.
You equate these terms since you don't really know what the word gender actually means, only able to reach as far as retarded modernity allows you.
The dichotomy of men working/hunting while their women are raising children and cooking, is a gender role. Certain garments being less or more socially acceptable for either men or women is a gender role. By contrast, having a dick and balls is a sexual characteristic. Gender is social, where sex is biological. Does that make sense?

>>17921852
fucking thank you

>>17921852
>The dichotomy of men working/hunting while their women are raising children and cooking, is a gender role.
It's evolution, baby. There are reasons for that.
>By contrast, having a dick and balls is a sexual characteristic. Gender is social, where sex is biological. Does that make sense?
Gender is not a thing. It's fairy dust. You are ultimately bound by biology.

>>17921742
based

>>17921852
What about this?
>>17921815

>>17921742
>>17921872
ywnbaw

>>17921852
Men can run faster than women on account of hip morphology, limb ratios, have denser muscle fibers, stronger bones, etc. This makes them better able to hunt prey.
Women are better able to care for infants because their active mammary glands can feed them. They also are less likely to be color blind because of color genes being located on the x-chromosome. So it seems that if we go far enough back that all social behavior is derived from biology.

>>17921815
Well, I don't agree with your assessment of bodily dysmorphia necessarily. An illness is something which does harm, right? But if someone's dysmorphia regarding their physical body could be helped by actually altering it (given technology capable), then I wouldn't call that an illness any more than someone dyeing their hair.
Of course, that assumes that such technologies exist (they don't and might never) and that this dysmorphia can be treated by altering the body. If it couldn't, for example if the target of their feelings of dysmorphia simply shifted to something else, then it's not treatment at all. Well, I don't think that's true of bodily dysphoria, at least, regardless of whether it may be true of some.

>>17921876
based

>>17921879
*true of some forms of bodily dysmorphia

>>17921815
>they are admitting gender=biological sex, because they would need to change their genitals to match their 'true' inner self (gender??)
This. No one arguing for gender has satisfactorily explained why trannies need to change biological characteristics to match express their gender. If gender isn't biological why do trannies do these kinds of things?

>>17921890
People who say gender isn't biological are naive. That's like saying the liver isn't biological because it has cultural connotations. It would be more accurate to say that gender includes features that are biological, as well as purely cultural.

>>17921303
Back in the day we used to simply call this "attention whoring."

Also, she didn't win the actual Booker, she won the ESL faux Booker.

>>17921907
You may or may not be arguing for trannies. Regardless you have side-stepped the issue of trannies taking hormones, getting breast implants, cutting off dicks, cutting off breasts, and having fake dicks made. If they were truly transgender as they claim to be they wouldn't be making these biological changes. Gender is a social expression. Being a tranny isn't. For trannies it's all about changing their biology.

>>17921566
>Based Casio F91-W watch wearing woman pretending to be a man to get attention.

That watch might be the best $12 I ever spent.

>>17921890
Transfaggotry was considered a mental disorder before the left seized all the major scientific and medical institutions and organizations.

>>17921617
She's the youngest Booker Award winner

>>17921707
Likewise, trannies will also adopt gendered names when taking up their new identity when, if you were to follow their logic, they should be perfectly fine using their old name, which only has a connotation with a particular gender due to social norms in the first place. They attempt to defy social norms by conforming to other social norms.

>>17921303
If she had a dick I would worship him as a god. Sad

>>17921941
She didn't win the real Booker, she won the bogus ESL Booker. The actual Booker winner for 2020 was Douglas Stuart.

>>17921940

*recognized for the mental disorder that it is

ftfy, just so no one goes thinking there's any relativism on the point.

>>17921931
I don't really see the issue of whether trannies are "Really women" or not to be of any great importance, since I think the very idea of women is a collection of various traits both biological and cultural which one may possess some of but not others. It's not meaningful and honestly I don't care. I see trannies mostly as a means to an end that I also desire.

>>17921940
I realize transfaggotry is fake in western culture. It holds no value. It plays no larger societal role. It only makes sense in indigenous/native american/polytheistic cultures where people who fulfill the role of shaman or oracle are considered neither male nor female due to their connection to the spirits/gods.

>>17921979
>I see trannies mostly as a means to an end that I also desire
disgusting

>>17921998
Because it violates the categorical imperative?

>>17921979
kys

>>17921989
it's not just that. I've heard of practices where people can officially "switch" genders, but taking on the societal norms. ie, a woman can be a man and therefore must follow the laws and responsibilities as a man. This was in india, I think, where the discrepancy is much larger. I thought that was interesting.

>>17921890
because they are mentally ill
>>17921873
See above, I'm of the opinion that hormone therapy is retarded, but it doesn't really matter for what I'm posting about
>>17921865
Not anymore. We live in a world where almost every man (and woman) on earth is completely useless, including myself and more than likely everyone in this thread. If we want to reduce things down to a matter of biology, any man who doesn't physically provide for his family unit (transferred wealth doesn't count, that makes you subsidized by someone else's provision) fails to live up to his biological role. Alternatively you can accept that current year has made these things more or less superfluous, and no amount of revolt against the modern world will ever heal the scars technology has wrought on our collective soul.
>>17921876
See above

>>17921979
>biological
Yes, it is easy to define women based on biological traits they all share
>cultural
There is no global female culture.

>>17921303
question:
what kind of unique sexes can we come up with (ie for an alien species)?

>>17922017
>There is no global female culture.
There is, however, a cross-cultural consensus on what constitutes the feminine and what constitutes the masculine. To the point where a woman from Japan can still be considered feminine in Argentina, for example. All the attitudes and norms associated with the men and women ultimately stem from biology.

Gender is how you express your biological sex.
Checkmate troons.

>>17921303
This is what jewish brainwashing does to Aryan artists. It's time for them to all go in ovens and I want to make this kid slam the doors.

>>17922029
Read Ursula Le Guin

>>17921303
Dutch people fucking love Holocaust, Jew, Nazi and Hitler jokes. They make them all the time. My Dutch friend said he ate something called "Jew cookies" as a child and all his friends joked they were made from the ashes of Jews.

>>17922029
Do you mean species with >3 sexes?

>>17922017
Gender as it exists in every day life is not that which is studied forensically on a corpse. One can certainly divvy up the different aspects compiled under "Man" or "Woman", but to deny that such terms have an autonomy which subsumes not just biological facts but cultural ones is an autistic reaction to the existence of trannies. You would be so shocked by some skirt with a dick that you would seek to upend the idea of women at all in your quest to defend against them. This is why, ironically, biological essentialists are actually very useful for the genuine gender abolitionist. Never in history has gender been understood in purely biological terms, and the attempt tod define as such will only hasten it's dissolution in toto.

>>17922042
The Dutch are pozzed beyond repair. They even perverted Dante's works in order to not offend Muslims.

>>17921890
Ofc its biological, gender = biology + gender roles. The biology that is actually being changed is the kind that effects how the person is perceived, like hormones. I think the amount of trannies who want SRS is very low.

>>17922053
>the genuine gender abolitionist.
The genuine gender abolitionist being, of course, the quintessential TERF. It circles back, always, to fuck trannies

>>17921941
>>17921964
>What a transparent ploy, giving the Booker to Atwood! Atwood IS the Booker; she incarnates it; how can you award it to her? It’s like giving the Nobel to Nobel. Atwood is the prototype of the vaguely leftist, mainstream-feminist Commonwealth novelist for whom the Booker is reserved. Her name is legion: Barbara Kingsolver, Keri Hulme, Nadine Gordimer—these are her handmaids. Kingsolver, nominally American; Hulme, Kiwi; and Gordimer, South African white; all these are drawn like honking geese toward Atwood’s Kanada, spiritual home of all moderate-progressive white folk.

>>17922063
Terfs are actually trannies biggest allies. If the people saying "Tras rights" or whatever really wanted to help trans people, they would spread terf messages as much as possible.

>>17921303
YE YE YE YE YE YE I WANT TO FUCK FEMBOY BUSSSSYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY YE YE YE

>>17921742
>Gender isn't abolished yet, either in society or in the mind, so any radical disconnect between norms and one's own desires can only be expressed in a normative way.

Sounds like extreme cope and precisely the kind of rationalization people construct when they are operating on 2 completely incompatible beliefs simultaneously.

>>17922075
it's a woman

>>17922071
>Terfs are actually trannies biggest allies
How? TERFs don’t believe trannies exist and want to deny them any sort of “””equal””” rights that they demand, ie the right to invade sex-based safe spaces and harass homosexuals. The TERF is the trans’ biggest enemie, as the TERF presents a coherent, scientifically valid, materialist, and progressive view on gender and sex which the trans have still yet to accomplish. The TERF is the only capable ideological opponent to the trans, and not only is it capable it is unbeatable. The trans no this and gaslight and attack women constantly for even daring to tangentially engage with any idea that may lead to “TERFisms”

tldr: fuck trans

>>17922053
>Gender as it exists in every day life is not that which is studied forensically on a corpse.
Females have a differently structured pelvis
This pelvis allows extremely large heads to pass through the vagina
This difference in morphological structure results in difference in gait, posture, and flexibility
These differences give rise to different cultural expressions and expectations between sexes
>You would be so shocked by some skirt with a dick
I've never seen a passing transexual. Please don't bother posting pictures of ones that you consider passing, because despite the best efforts of photographers to deceive we can all still tell the difference.

>>17922106
For several reasons:
1. The degree of contempt terfs have for trannies will gradually make their own position less appealing. Sorry, but barring any monumental shift in western ideology, they will be perceived as scapegoating an innocent victim and become repugnant in the eye of history.
2. By resolutely maintaining that gender is biology and nothing else, they gradually dissolve the very basis of their movement, those cultural aspects which are carried with gender. First of all, they'll have to abandon any issue they have with pronouns, which are of course a purely cultural issue that has nothing whatsoever to do with biology.

>>17922050
yeah, but like, any amount of sexes that make evolutionary sense.
>men- inseminate
>woman- carry child
I came up with a third:
>???- broods (the egg) until it hatches
for example.

>>17921303
Without the penis, it is nothing. It is the unpenetrating penis that makes the beautiful boy.

>>17921303
She will never be a man.

>>17922158
Based

>>17922148
>barring any monumental shift in western ideology, they will be perceived as scapegoating an innocent victim and become repugnant in the eye of history.
Hating trannies only became a nono thing within the past decade. You can still murder them in most states if you claim they tricked you into thinking they were a woman (homosexual black male cope desu). It is an a symptom of populations too resource strained to raise offspring, and naturally disgusts the well-adjusted.
>pronouns are purely cultural
A blind person would "misgender" the freaks purely through the timbre of their voice.

>>17922148
>The degree of contempt terfs have for trannies will gradually make their own position less appealing.
The degree of contempt trannies have for straight people, women, homosexuals, and anybody who won’t sleep with them will peak, that is make into a TERF, progressives far more than any will maintain delusional anti-TERF attitudes.
> 2. By resolutely maintaining that gender is biology and nothing else,
Fundamental misunderstanding of the TERF. The TERF rejects the existence of gender and gendered roles. To the TERF, gender is only a series of social constructs. For them it is perfectly okay and acceptable for any person of any sex to partake in any needlessly gendered activity or interest. ie men can wear dresses and be feminine, women can wear trousers and be masculine. The TERF does, however, recognize the immutable material-biological reality of SEX. Sex cannot be changed. And sex-based issues cannot be replaced by issues of gender. This is where they oppose the trans who would attempt to change sex and invade sex-based safe spaces. Not to even mention the conservative gender roles accepted and revered by trans ideology which TERFs take great issue with.

How are zoomers going to cope with existence and reality when they can’t even grasp basic concepts such as “men are men, and women are women.)

>>17922205
What is biological about pronouns? Also, a "Sex-based safe space" is purely cultural. It only exists in a certain culture under certain conditions. To maintain it impedes the goal of separating culture and biology. Thought to the contrary is merely disingenuous cope.

>>17922223
>What is biological about pronouns?
Pronouns are just ways of recognizing a person’s sex. He implies the person being talked about has XY chromosomes, XX for she. This is biological. Sex-based safe spaces are a matter of great importance for women, yes they too are social structures, but I would rather not live in a society where rapists can wear dresses and attack women.

You are engaged in a misunderstanding of TERFism, Trannyism, and the difference of gender and sex. I applaud you for attempting to analyze this issue through a new lens, but it is not built on anything coherent.

>>17922257
This is pathetic, just by saying the cultural aspects "Signify" gender you think you can produce a purely biological account of it. But it's already failed on the face of it. But as I say, their very attempts to achieve this are in my favour, so I see no reason to be cruel to terfs. They are, as I say, trans people's closest allies.

>>17922285
Schizo-babble. But ok.

>>17922285
>trans people's closest allies.
How come? (Not him)

>>17922302
In the trans rights debates whoever talks loudest look the ugliest. How much faster trans acceptance would grow if trans people were silent.

>>17922178
what is going on in that picture? what is that old man holding?

>>17921303
>cracking a joke which was judged too offensive for the English edition of the novel
still want to know what this is

>>17921303
She's so fucking boring, retarded and uninteresting. I hate womyn so much.

>>17921303
>tranny

>>17921989
transexuality is a form of aspiration to sacral victimhood

>>17922497
I wanted a glass of juice

At a gathering of normies I went to all the females started giggling and asked all the males if they would fuck a tranny. Shockingly all the males said yes or they would consider based on their personal attraction to the troon. They got to me and I said hell no. If it ain't got no dick then it sure as hell ain't no chick. They were all shocked. One of the girls asked me "but what if like SHE was really attractive?" I told them h-e-l-l n-o. I ain't gay and I don't fuck dudes. They kept pressing me "but like what if you thought she was a girl and you like never knew, like you kissed her and stuff and then you get her into bed and then you find out?" I flatly told
them at that point I'd be a tranny killer. I told them troons have a moral obligation to reveal they are a tranny when they meet someone. Needless to say I was too based for these troon boot lickers and haven't been invited back sense. Last I hear a few of the dudes started dating trannies or turned into trannies themselves.

>>17922663
kek they were white liberals, I assume?

>>17922683
Of course. They were progressive college thinkers who are always on the right side of history.

>>17922663
why are you hanging out with normies?

>>17921707
It relates to their idea of “performativity” which holds that basically all human action is constituted through language. Eg. The sentence “i do” manifests the act of marriage. Some fuckheads like judith butler take it so far as to say that it literally materializes reality; so their argumentation is that if i say im a boy and other people say im a boy that materializes my body as male. Hence the social activism that focuses on “inclusive language” and other faggot nonsense

>>17922893
Getting material for my incel novel

Kinda cute, not gonna lie

>>17922223
>What’s biological about terminology that identifies people based on their biology?

Zoomers really do have dogshit for brains.

>>17921303
Do you think she shaves her kitty or does she let it grow wild?

>>17923073
based

>>17921303
Why is it always about the author and not the content

>>17923357
Because that’s how it is these days. Do you think A Brief History of Seven Killings won the Booker because it was well written? (It didn’t.)

>I borrowed Harry Potter and the Philosopher’s Stone from the library and loved it so much that I typed the entire book out on my computer. I think this was how I learned to write. For a long time I believed that Hogwarts actually existed, that I could take lessons there.

>>17923357
Identity politics is a virus that has infested all levels of discourse. It's not about what you create but about you are in this worldview. Fundamentally tribal and stupid.

>>17923276
Yes.

I was born on April 20th too. All April 20 babies are insane same day as Hitler.

>>17923308
She shaves for sure

>>17923867
both are yummy, I'm a trans girl and nonbinary people who where assigned female at birth at my thing, tomboys are so cute.

>>17922594
She's simply non-binary

>>17924116
So you're a crossdreser who is attracted to women? You're a straight dude.

>>17921576
I think I must have heard it (or something similar) in middle school.

>>17924440
I don't having any form of masculinity in me.

>>17924456
So?

>>17921516
>>17921576
>>17924449
>Waarom pleegde Hitler zelfmoord? Omdat hij de gasrekening niet kon betalen.
(Why did Hitler commit suicide? Because he couldn't afford to pay the gas bill.)

>>17924456
Yes you do. You're living a lie and you will suffer the karmic consequences for it.

>>17924456
You're a dude. You have XY chromosomes.

>>17924493
KEK thanks for delivering Dutchbro.

>>17924456
The utterly feminine action of putting your penis in a woman's vagina

>>17924493
Yes that's exactly the one I have heard, thought it was pretty common.

>>17924493
This is it?? This is the joke that it was oh so edgy for Anglo audiences?? oh my fucking God.

>>17924581
It's pretty sad really. Last time this joke offended was before my 15th birthday, and I'm Jewish. Anglo need to get a grip or entrust their censorship to an Italian aesthete or something.

>>17924593
I don't know what's going on, Anon. Even 5 years ago things weren't so bad.

Cute boy

>>17924819
she's a woman

>>17924827
She likes to be called a boy

What's with this bullshit of "I did X, therefore I can't be a man/woman"? I watch Card Captor Sakura, once I wore a dress, and I'm a mentally healthy mala adult who likes to eat pussy at least four times a week.
I simply can't believe that the stupid shit we did as kid is capable of distorting the mind these idiots, I think it's a coping mechanism, they are just sick and looking for excuses.

>>17924840
She likes to be called they

>>17924883
She calls herself a she in dutch

>>17925018
Does she really?

>>17925022
Yes. She's not sure about transitioning yet

>>17921303
She just needs to get knocked up and reveal the mother inside of her. Women are bound to mental illness if not set on the track God laid out for them.

>>17921722
99% of trannies are autogynephilic coomers who have associated sexual pleasure with getting fucked. The result of watching too much porn. Their entire idea of women is just porn based. Look up Kevin Gibes, he is the archetypal tranny-coomer.

>>17924493
WOOOAH please don't post such edgy content on this board. Show some respect, there are anglos that might read it

Is this book worth reading? I have a copy of the English translation lying around because my girlfriend read it, though judging the speed she did so she must not have thought it was anything special.

>>17921510
Only male ones. Female ones should be scourged and driven from homoerotic circles.

>>17927200
It's good. It has some neat references to the Exodus

She looks so cute in suit

>>17925018
fart on the candle

...

melt the ice-cream

>>17923308
Lewd

>>17921303
>making a big deal of your birthdate because some bad man in history was also born on that day of the year
Cringe millennials always have to mythologize every minute detail of their existence

>>17921941
And youngest Nobel award-to be!

>>17927973
>The chad “I’m naming my book series after Mein Kampf” Norwegian gen Xer.
>The virgin “I’m born on the same day as Hitler and he was a monster” Dutch Zoomer.

>>17922415
you know exactly what is happening in that picture.

>>17923357
Because she has nothing of value to show.

>>17924497
>you will suffer the karmic consequences
What karmic consequences?

>>17928495
Whats going on here? Why is that young man grabbing that old man like that?

>>17928582
Do you really want me to post gay/cuckhold porn?

She cute

>>17928906
is*

>>17922415
>>17928582
It's art photography. Torbjorn Rodlund

has anyone here read her newest (Mijn lieve gunsteling)?

>>17928495
who is this twunk?

>>17929309
I'm waiting for the English version. It seems like it's some kind of Lolita but with a farm-girl and a vet

>>17921707
I genuinely can't understand what the referent of "gender" is supposed to be when it is spoken or written of in this way.
When people call for the abolition of gender, what do they mean by "gender"?

>>17929399
>When people call for the abolition of gender, what do they mean by "gender"?
Gender Roles and stereotypes. At least when the gender abolitionist is consistent, that is to say is a terf. The goal is to remove gender as a social construct and simply allow people of both sexes to behave however they want.

>>17921754
What do you think "sex" is and what do you think "gender" is?
To me this sounds as dumb as saying money=paper/metal.

>>17921303
This is literally just the advanced version of
>*holds up spork*

>>17929418
Zoomers like you have scrambled eggs for brains.

>>17929359
How kino

>>17929418
sex is biological, gender is the social roles attached to said biology. At least this is the terf (correct) understanding.

>>17929411
>allow people of both sexes to behave however they want
I think people already do this for the most part.
I don't think gender is some artificial imposition upon us - created by clergymen and men in suits who work in advertising agencies or w/e - that our "true authentic selves" suffer under needlessly.
When people talk about "gender abolitionism" it seems like what they always have in mind are the most superficial and arbitrary aspects of gender rolls/norms.
I also don't think that that there's a deep "authentic self" in the core of every human beings heart which has suffered under the evil rule of gender for thousands of years.
I think self-interpretation is only possible on the basis of pre-existent structures such as gender and that structures such as gender, rather than oppressively restrict desire, are that on the basis of which desire and self-hood is given form and content and made possible.
I don't think that calls for gender abolition are in fact calls for the emancipation from something which hitherto all human beings who have ever lived have pointlessly suffered under. Rather I think that the fact that people call for gender abolitionism is indicative of the complete deracination of our culture and the self, and the atomization of the self. Capitalism has turned all culture and human life into a shopping centre. All ways of being that the individual might take up are increasingly based on individual association. Meaning and value are things which you personally choose to invite upon yourself or not at your individual discretion. As a consequence, people only grasp themselves at the most superficial level - the explicit, rational, conceptual level where they can deliberately consent to being this or that person as an explicit mental act.
It's an artefact of capitalism. Intrinsically, you are nothing but a bare nucleus of choice, an ego without any qualities whatsoever, a bare structure to be filled in by commodified identities which can be dispensed with just as easily as they are picked up.
What these people object to is not gender itself, but involuntary gender. Every aspect of human existence has to be reconceived around the arbitrariness of the fantasy known as "consent". The fact that there might be some deeply ineluctable aspect of these peoples identities, something that holds sway in their being far bellow the level of voluntary association. What these people want is for the deep phenomenon of gender to be raised up from the murk of the sub-conscious mind, brought into the daylight of conscious self-reflection and voluntary association, and flattened out into a collection of signifiers that they can then choose to invite upon themselves in the same way they might choose to have certain toppings on their pizza.
It amounts to a complete falsification of gender not only as a concept, but as a phenomenon as well.

>>17929646
Exactly. Saying that gender doesn't exist is like saying that countries don't exist and that only geography exists. One is natural, the other is cultural.
>>17929637
Thanks for noticing friend-o.

There's no thing such as "male" gender. Women who act like men simply act like functional humans

>>17929733
Based

>>17921303

Why is this one anon shilling this girl on /lit/? Literally nobody cares about her in the Netherlands..

>>17929791
Yeah, cuz the Dutch (*spit*) don't care about any Art.

>>17929963

unironically correct. we should be annexed to germany..

>>17930162
At least you had a bunch of painters and Sweenlinck

>>17929791
Dutch are tasteless in art and the human spirit

>>17921303
She seems based

>>17921303
Imagine being a strikingly tall, muscular, handsome Chad who passes her by inattentively and yet sends flutters straight into her stomach. Suddenly your instincts tell you that a fertile female is in fact in your vicinity and has just become sexually available. You hone your six senses and immediately pinpoint the source: it's unmistakeable---this evidently slight young twink is actually a woman in drag.

Your male gaze falls upon her heavier than your sculpted body, and she is pierced to the quick of her heart, instantly smitten with you. You say no words---you fix your eyes upon hers, but she cannot bear to maintain eye contact. Her dainty face has flushed radish.

You advance, walking right up to her front, never breaking your manly stare. The absolute difference between your hulking figure and her smol size has reminded her body against her vain conscious willing that she is, after all her pretensions, nothing more than a vessel to be filled with the hose of strong men.

You raise your hand and cup it around her neck right beneath her jaw---your strength against her weakness reminds you of holding a dandelion. She does nothing to resist you; her mind is temporarily broken, unable to reconcile her instinctual urges to submit with her futile trans-masculinity. You wrap your remaining arm around her torso---you could in just one flex shatter her tiny frame just as easily as you have now destroyed so utterly the identity she has tried so long to cultivate, but now can no longer maintain in the face of the truth: she is a woman.

It is time. You haul up your prize and, like the men of prehistoric ages, carry it away to the solitary enjoyment of your cave. It will be a night and many days she will never be able to forget; because in nine months time, she shall receive from you the gift of a permanent reminder. She will finally be happy and fulfilled.

>>17921707
Two different kinds of trannies, two different ideas of gender and sex. In one, gender and sex are linked and physically manifest: a boy likes cars in the same way that boys have penises and if a boy does not like cars or loses his dick, he doesn't count as a boy until he starts liking monster trucks and gets reconstructive surgery. They believe that hormones and surgery will physically manifest both their sex and gender- that you physically change sex in the same way transubstantiation changes temporary bread and wine into eternal body and blood.
In the other, sex and gender are not linked, but gender is socially enforced: putting on a lot of makeup won't make you physicallu female, but you might be able to trap some guys in the club, making you socially female. These ones are the most hated by trans activists and feminists, not just because it means there is no way to physically transform rather than apparently transform, but also because they're better at passing. They adopt the fashion mogul's view that there are no ugly women, only lazy ones. If someone calls them "he" in public it means their disguise was not good enough, and their physical presence has betrayed their performance. Performative gender really pissed off a lot of feminists, because it means people mistaking you being fat for you being pregnant are not doing anything wrong socially.

>>17932783
Cringe.

Are tomboys the new revelation in literature?

>>17932783
beautiful

>>17924456
Well you should nigga, stop being a fucking pussy

>>17933225
Rude.

>>17928915
huh?

>>17932783
Bravo.

>>17932783
You can tell a skinny guy wrote this

>>17935313
Woman is a problem that can be solved by pregnancy.

>>17935391
Skinny with glasses and a virgin indeed

>>17935391
What about Man?

>>17921576
That's not a joke, there was a jewish woman who survived the holocost because the nazis run out of gas one day, and the next day it wasn't her turn.

>>17935583
Man is a problem that can be solved by getting laid.

>>17921303
I can only imagine what a rapist would say to her:
>>if you're a boy, my dear beautiful boy, then why am I fucking your moist cunt.

What's with the Netherlands producing so many beautiful boys?

>>17933548
What you gonna do about it?

>>17937153
You're trying too hard to be edgy, son

>>17929672
>Saying that gender doesn't exist
who says that?

>>17937153
Sounds like Baudelaire

>>17921303
Isn't she just a tomboy who got manipulated by media?

>>17938145
da joooooooooooos

>>17938167
Well, clearly the concept of non-binary didn't exist before this century, and even if it did it wasn't at this scale. Teenagers get easily influenced and do want to feel special, calling themselves trans makes them feel special. I wonder when this sad state of events will finally end.

/our boi/

>>17938905
>boy

>>17921356
>How novel, a young woman fantasizing about being the bottom in an age gap homosexual relationship. Never before have I heard of such a crazy thing!
based that literally every single ftm tranny

>>17921707
trannys will allways be eternally btfo by this and will never come up with anything serious to counter it
>>17921742
cope

>>17932783
based
>>17933009
>>17935313
ywnbam

>>17921566
Frankly, I'd have thought chambray too course a fabric for angel skin.

>>17921303
>>“As a small child I felt I was a boy, I dressed like a boy and behaved like a boy, but children at that age are still neutral in their gender. In adolescence, when the separation became clear, I dressed like a girl and became a girl, then at 20 I went back to the boy I was at primary school.”
imagine havin to do this much of mental gymnastics to fit in the currently hip freak group

can you bros download any more?
https://myspace.com/mariekerijneveld/mixes/classic-my-photos-380791/photo/110094402
here is her b4 she went tranny honestly looks similar

>>17939853
She looked like some random thot. Quite an improvement

>>17921933
Buy that wrist watch, without a doubt, hands down, the best money I've ever spent in my entire life.

>>17939853
>>17939926
>the rest of her photos will be lost forever
;__;

https://youtu.be/RQr6QHA35t4

cute voice

>>17940064
>And how that water came that night, we sat freshly washed beside the radio in
the back room, the house suddenly appeared made of cardboard, as though

>we had hidden ourselves inside the weekly box of bananas, the roof
tiles chattered. They said: storm moving in from the north. That evening, Grandpa

>had driven the cows up onto the dike, not knowing we would later
find them floating like swollen balloons in the water, how we

>watched from the stairwell as the carpet rose faster and faster,
everything of value held over our heads: a child, a packet

>of Blue Band butter, some jewels. Prayers were heard within houses; fish
made air bubbles under water – whatever happened, God was given

>a life jacket in our thoughts. And mud, everywhere mud. The peanuts
we’d eaten beside the radio were now like some of the villagers,

>sunk to the bottom; the water was salty and ice-cold, the foam came up
to our navels. Later, when the helicopters shaved low over attics and heads

>it became sink or swim, but each time only a few were allowed to be saved,
because, as the soldiers called out: scared hares weigh the most.

unnironically good. Suck it, Gorman

>>17922663
Autistic child can't articulate himself beyond "I ain't gay, I'd kill a tranny for trying to get this dick!" and shits up the vibe.

They just wanted to spice up the conversation, no one was gonna make you suck the tranny dick you're loudly craving.

>>17940064
Awwwww

>>17928582
The nordic race getting its revenge

>>17921303
The pronoun they confused the fuck out of me reading this. I thought it was talking about the character from her book.

>>17921780
>I'm convinced that 75% of all "transsexuals" are just NB
Unless you're talking about hermaphrodites there's no such thing as non binary.

>>17941087
Yes. What the fuck

>>17940075
I like this kind of poetry. Elegant, sincere, unlike slam poetry

>>17940075
>Blue Band butter
fake

>>17939926
She looked dykeish

>>17939926
>>17939853
>looks like more of a man before she trooned out

>>17943791
Indeed...

FtM trans are so kino...

>>17921303
The translator:
>Faber & Faber wanted to prevent readers feeling uncomfortable [...]. The British book audience is less tolerant of and more sensitive to discrimination than the Dutch. English publishers approach so-called 'sensitivity readers' more and more frequently to read manuscripts for things to which readers might take offense.
https://www.volkskrant.nl/cultuur-media/hoofdpersoon-jas-heet-ook-in-het-engels-gewoon-jas~b0f6b791/
(Also, Sinterklaasjournaal becomes a 'pre-Christmas show' -- Piet-less, it goes without saying.)

>>17945287
>anglos
Not even once

>>17945287
Embarrasing

>>17945287
i fucking hate anglos