/lit/ - Literature

>>17916164
For me it was the sub-plot about America's race riots being somehow organized and funded by Blackwater in some sort of scheme to pressure Trump into invading Venezuela or Iran.
That's the kind of stuff you can't read in the newspapers.

>traditionalism
>populist right and "fashy"
Off to a bad start. Evola called off fascists as being pleb mongers with decent intentions at best. I am not going to waste my time reading this trite. Go on back to bunkerchan to circledilate about how you smashed the fash.

>>17916204
He literally called himself a superfascist but go off sweatie

>>17916164

>>17916164
Boo hoo nigga I don’t care

This is a Guénon thread now
>Humanism was the first form of what has subsequently become contemporary secularism; and, owing to its desire to reduce everything to the measure of man as an end in himself, modern civilization has sunk stage by stage until it has reached the level of the lowest elements in man and aims at little more than satisfying the needs inherent in the material side of his nature, an aim that is in any case quite illusory since it constantly creates more artificial needs than it can satisfy.

>Will the modern world follow this fatal course right to the end, or will a new readjustment intervene once more, as it did in the case of the Greco-Latin decadence, before it reaches the bottom of the abyss into which it is being drawn? It would seem that a halt midway is no longer possible since, according to all the indications furnished by the traditional doctrines, we have in fact entered upon the last phase of the Kali-Yuga, the darkest period of this “dark age”, the state of dissolution from which it is impossible to emerge otherwise than by a cataclysm, since it is not a mere readjustment that is necessary at such a stage, but a complete renovation.

>>17916250
Continued...
>Disorder and confusion prevail in every domain and have been carried to a point far surpassing all that has been known previously, so that, issuing from the West, they now threaten to invade the whole world; we know full well that their triumph can never be other than apparent and transitory, but such are the proportions which it has reached, that it would appear to be the sign of the gravest of all the crises through which mankind has passed in the course of its present cycle. Have we not arrived at that terrible age, announced in the Sacred Books of India, “when the castes shall be mingled, when even the family shall no longer exist”? It is only necessary to look around in order to be convinced that this state is truly that of the world of today, and to see on all sides that profound degeneracy which the Gospel terms “the abomination of desolation”. The gravity of the situation cannot be minimized; it should be envisaged such as it is, without optimism but also without pessimism, for as we have already said, the end of the old world will be also the beginning of a new one.
-The Essential Rene Guenon: Metaphysics, Tradition, and the Crisis of Modernity

>>17916210
>He literally called himself a superfascist but go off sweatie
Please define what "superfascist" means for us, it should be easy for you.

>>17916262
"Very fascist"? LMAO

>>17916265
Yep, you got filtered hard.

>>17916215
I'll take that as a compliment. Can you defend Guenon with arguments or are you that brainwashed

>>17916265
>"Very fascist"? LMAO

>>17916271
Enlighten me. Oh wait I forgot, aren't you afraid of the enlightenment?

>>17916262
linguistic structuralists are now out to get you anon
run while you still can

>>17916278
>"I am a fascist only insofar as fascism aligns with my traditionalist ideals but nothing more than that."
This is exactly what he means by superfascist, he means he's "beyond fascist".

>>17916294
What about traditionalism isn't fascist or evil (Hard Mode: Don't say it's that fascism isnt catholic enough)

Why is it that low T reddit cucks and trannies always seethe whenever Evola or Guénon are mentioned?

>>17916313
Fascists typically worship technology and progress, traditionalism doesn't.

>>17916326
do you have any arguments or is it just quod argumentum ad hominem sophisma :/

>>17916330
Guenon using the printing press to complain about technology makes about as much sense as the rest of it I suppose

Evola is laughing at this in the Astral plane

>>17916356
>do you have any arguments
not him, but no actual arguments against the Traditionalists have been posted that people come respond to, no quotes from the book OP made this thread on have been posted, how can we respond if he wont even give us material to engage with?

>>17916364
>le afterlife

>>17916376
OP probably never read the book

>>17916361
>tu quoue
What a brilliant argument!

>>17916265
Supra-fascist. Aka beyond fascist, and if you weren't retarded you would've already known that, but you are, and likely weren't aware of:
>Fascism viewed from the right
>a traditionalist confronts fascism
(ywnbaw)

>>17916376
Because I don't believe in internet piracy. The hardcover is only 29 dollars at Barnes and Noble

>>17916389
Sounds very unbiased

>>17916397
>Because I don't believe in internet piracy.
Okay, so if the books BTFOs Rene Guenon as you claim, then what are the authors arguments? Can you repeat any of his arguments for us? Let me guess, because we can buy cooler products and have our lives extended by modern medicine then the modern world is the best thing ever?

>>17916441
Are those not good things?

>>17916188
>For me it was the sub-plot about America's race riots being somehow organized and funded by Blackwater in some sort of scheme to pressure Trump into invading Venezuela or Iran.

actually based and 100% plausible because it's entirely in-line with how glowniggers have handled issues both domestically and abroad for decades now

>>17916164
>Teitelbaum
Hmm... What sort of a last name is that?

>>17916503
Even if they were hypothetically, that doesn't refute what Guenon said, and it doesn't make the modern world the best thing ever

>>17916164
lol this guy isn't even some kind of leftist/sjw type

he is a fucking neo-con glenn beck type retard who wants to blame "le ebil traditionalists" for "hijacking" his neo-con/low taxes/free trade political party

These trad fashy types are based. White men need to procreate asap https://futurism.com/neoscope/humans-are-rapidly-losing-the-ability-to-procreate-scientist-warns

>>17916164
It’s crazy how Steve Bannon of all people lives in the minds of these people as some sort of Guenonian Fascist Traditionalist. It’s actually quite bizarre.

>>17916164
Guenon BTFOs fascism himself in The Crisis of the Modern World. Fascism and communism are the epitome of modernist ideologies. I don't know how people can misconstrue his message so. Unless they haven't read him of course, which seems likely since we are on /lit/.

>>17916164
I wanna fight for eternity

>>17916262
>"We call ourselves as fascist with respect to what was positive [from the traditionalist standpoint] in fascism, and we do not call ourselves fascist with respect to what was negative in fascism"
-Julius Evola himself.

>>17917709
Meant for >>17916210

>>17917271
You actually don't even need to read Guenon to understand that (srsly). Fascism is a strain from Romanticism

>>17917695
Fight what?

>>17917168
It's an alternate world for people who base their entire political knowledge on wikipedia articles. It's hard to imagine what that world would be like, but I guess the rampant mental illness amongst bunkerchan trannies gives us an idea.

>>17916313
>What about traditionalism isn't fascist or evil (Hard Mode: Don't say it's that fascism isnt catholic enough)

>saying a bunch of empty words I don't understand

>>17916313
Well, first of all, evil does not exist, it is a figment of your imagination which you've inherited from Christianity's psychological influence. Second of all, fascism is too vaguely defined to be able to even make a meaningful comparison. I can say that traditionalism, from Guenon's standpoint, vastly differs from fascism because it is built upon fundamental unity (rather than war/conflict), metaphysical understanding, and esotericism rather than populism.

>>17916204
Not to mention that traditionalsm is fundamentally anti-racist.

>>17917869
meds, NOW

>>17916250
>>17916256
Lol what a midwit. This is like some mediocre /pol/ rant, just a little more eloquent

>>17917904
How so bunkerchud?

>>17916210
>sweatie
bait
>>17916265
>he fell for it
bait
>>17916313
>evil
bait
>>17916356
>make an argument againts me when I can't even quote the book
bait
>>17916361
bait
>>17916382
Yes
bait
>>17916606
Go back to /pol/
>>17916397
bait
>>17916987
keked
>>17917904
bait
>>17916330
Those things don't have to be related
>>17916441
>can they make an argument
They can't

It's hilarious how hard they try to bait,did we hurt their fee fees that badly?

>>17916210
Lol. Super in that sense means 'beyond', not 'very'.

>>17916364
Did he ever create his philosophers stone?

>>17916164
https://voegelinview.com/war-for-eternity-inside-bannons-far-right-circle-of-global-power-brokers/

>>17918883
>Teitelbaum gradually draws-out the key features of Bannon’s political thinking as a blue collar American Traditionalist Populism anchored in the “rejection of modernity, the rejection of the Enlightenment, the rejection of materialism,”
>Populism
>the rejection of materialism
what

>>17916164
>crackpottery
>fashy fans
Bait

How can this Teitelbaum specialize in ethnomusicology and simultaneously be so critical of ethnic nationalism?

>>17916164
I enjoyed it. The idea that there is a secret Traditionalist super-war behind the curtains helps re-enchant the world.

>>17921702
So does believing a shadowy cabal of Hebrews is conspiring to post interracial porn on /tv/

>>17916601
>based
>glowniggers
wretched.

>>17921782
>um yeah but whatabout nazis tho?! hm hm ever think about that hmmmmm?!
belt up gay cunt

>>17921824
I don't think members of the Nazi party are using /tv/. I was just pointing out that choosing to believe in idea for the purposes of giving the world enchantment can lead to some funny conceptions of stuff. Nothing to say about either option being correct.

>>17916256

> However, let us put ourselves for a moment in the position of those who pin their hopes to the ideal of material welfare and who therefore rejoice at all the improvements to life furnished by modern “progress”; are they quite sure that they are not being made dupes? Is it true that men are happier today than they used to be simply because they command swifter means of transport and other things of that kind, or because of their more agitated and complicated mode of life?

>The truth would appear to be quite the contrary; disequilibrium cannot be the condition of any real happiness; moreover, the more needs a man has the greater likelihood there is of his lacking something, and consequently of his being unhappy; modern civilization aims at creating ever greater and greater artificial needs, and, as we have already remarked, it will always create more needs than it can satisfy, because, once launched upon such a course, it becomes exceedingly difficult to pull up, and, indeed, there is no reason for pulling up at one stage rather than at another. It was no hardship for people to do without things that did not exist and which they could never have even dreamed of; now, on the contrary, they are bound to suffer when deprived of those things, since they have grown accustomed to regarding them as necessities, with the result that they have in fact really become necessary to them.

>Consequently, with all the power at their disposal, they struggle to acquire whatever can procure them material satisfactions, the only kind they are capable of appreciating; they become absorbed in “making money,” because it is money which enables them to obtain these things, and the more they possess the more they desire because they are continually discovering fresh needs, until this pursuit becomes their only aim in life.

>Hence that ferocious competition which certain “evolutionists” have raised to the dignity of a scientific law under the name of the “struggle for existence,” the logical result of which is that only the strongest, in the most narrowly material sense of the word, have a right to exist. Hence also the envy and even hatred with which those possessed of wealth are regarded by those who are not so endowed; how could men to whom equalitarian theories have been preached fail to react when all around they see inequality in the most material order of things, the order to which they are bound to be most sensitive?

>>17921898
Thankfully we can exist in this zone where we don't have to decide whether to 'believe' in things in order to derive direction and pleasure. Instead the meta-narrative can exist as a reference point without being relied on.

>>17921917

> If modern civilization is destined to collapse some day under the pressure of the disorderly appetites it has aroused in the masses, one would have to be blind indeed not to perceive therein the just punishment of its fundamental vice, or, to express oneself without recourse to moral phraseology, the repercussion of its own action in that same sphere in which it was exercised.

>It is written in the Gospel: “All they that take the sword shall perish by the sword”; those who unloose the brute forces of matter will perish, crushed by those same forces, of which they are no longer masters when they rashly set them in motion, and which they cannot claim to hold back indefinitely once launched on their fatal course; forces of nature or forces of mass man, or both in combination, it makes little difference, because in either case it is the laws of matter which come into play and which will inexorably destroy those who believed it possible to manipulate them without themselves rising superior to matter. The Gospel also says: “If a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand”; this saying too is directly applicable to the modern world with its material civilization, which cannot fail, from its very nature, to provoke strife and division in all directions.

The smell of rotting pus and shit is unbearable in this thread. OP, go back to your dilation session and remember that you will never be a woman.