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good for you OP

>>17905102
I would agree that Islam certainly makes sense as an "end game" for right-wing ideology. Personally, I view Western Islamophobia as a kind of mental illness

>>17905102
Does the motivation of your conversion matter in Islam? I'm fairly sure that a conversion to catholicism motivated by personal interest would be worthless in the eyes of Christ. Your "imminent" conversion to Islam seems motivated solely by /pol/tardery and political beliefs and not by faith and a love of God.

>>17905126
I hate /pol/tards that do this.

....Have you ever read the Quran, cover to cover? It seems a bit premature to convert before doing that and deciding if Islam is a faith you truly believe in. Then again, this may well be bait.

the only book you need is the Qur'an. reading otherwise, while not indefensible, is ill advised.

>>17905102
I fear OP's going to convert and then realize Islam in the West is nothing like what he imagined, and that many Muslims are basically irreligious. Seriously imagining OP trying to strike up a conversation with an Iranian by mentioning he's a new Muslim.

>>17905126
Islam is a death cult and they don't care about your motivations or faith.

>>17905126
Even if this could be true it's not right to make such accusations and risk turning anon away from the true faith. We all have plenty to repent of

>>17905102
Mashallah brother, I'm here if you need any answer

>>17905170
oh my god shut the fuck up. I thought /lit/fags were supposed to be well read

>>17905102
Inshallah. I did the same years ago, greatest decision ever made.

>>17905162
Kek

>>17905162
Why would I talk to a faggot shiite?

>>17905126
I used to see Islam as backwards and brutal, and thus not the word of God, but then I understood that Islam is ultra-conservative and harsh against anything that threatens its values, simply because it was trying to avoid the nihilist liberal modernist dystopy we currently live in and are marching towards every year. It's also more spiritual and makes more theological sense (and uncorrupted) then other religions. AFAIK Christians never cared if someone converts for the sake of alliance or marriage. I'm not in just for the politics, the politics just made me come closer to the truth as Islam's spirituality and politics are a necessity for the modern secular world that left God and tradition with the failure of Christianity.
>>17905162
Sure, there are a lot liberal muslims here, but muslims are still the biggest conservative group in the western world.

>>17905102
Too bad islam also promotes incest, pedophilia and racemixing.

On another note the religion also doesnt have a great work ethic.

So yeah the end game of the right is itself.

>>17905215
It doesn't even make sense for a western to decide who is the legitimate successor of the prophet. All western muslims should be sufi. The shiite/sunni battle is jew-tier materialist faggotry.

>>17905233
>avoid the nihilist liberal modernist dystopy
By heading towards an islamic dystopia.

Please explain how marrying my cousin and abandoning a solid work ethic will advance the cause of the White race

>>17905233
Yeah, you clearly have no real faith in God. If you convert, I predict that you won't stay muslim for long.

>>17905262

Holy fuck I hate muslims who go on 4chan, you're all retarded and making us actual converts look like incels who converted after reading some alt-right bullshit

>>17905262
solid work ethic a.k.a. wage cucking and being replaced by technology while women work 9 to 5 instead of taking care of their child, or even produce a child. ok retard

>>17905262
>Islamic dystopia
Lol. Imagine falling for Jew propaganda this hard and thinking you’re fighting against them.

>>17905292
Thats nice a picture of some dude.

Now explain. The Islamic world has been destroyed by three forces.

1. Constant warfare because of bigotry and sectarianism.

2. Decline of IQ and mental health through cousin marriage.

3. A complete lack of any work ethic.

Why the hell would the West embrace such a disfunctional system?

>>17905307
>being replaced by technology
this is the goal though

Kill yourself

>>17905307
Ok. So you want the economy to collapse, society to become weak, so foreigners can conquer us even more easily. Yeah better not work on building bombs and rifles, just pray all day...

>>17905322
The West
1. Too many brother wars and then after that we became soft. A strong religion is good.
2. Decline of IQ as well due to idiots breeding more than smart people.
3. Too much of a work ethic that causes people to wageslave until they die and have no kids

>>17905322
>The Islamic world has been destroyed
I more I learn about the forces that ran amok in the 1950s-70s Muslim world, the more dizzying complex the whole thing becomes. It would take a massive amount of reading to figure out what really happened.

>>17905306
Don't get disheartened. They were in love with Orthodox Christianity a few years ago, in a few years it'll be something else.

>>17905311
Islam and judaism are basically the same religion. Why not become a conservative jew or a zionist. Israel keeps outwitting the mussies. In fact so does liberal america.

Islam is literally joining the losing party

>>17905338
If you think point 1 and 2 are bad. Then this applies to islam.

You dont want us to work because you need a strong economy for war.

>>17905350
>It would take a massive amount of reading to figure out what really happened.
It doesnt. You cant spend a dozen generations cousinfucking without it leaving behind a stain.

>>17905367
Yeah if a much smallee party controls a much larger party the first are the winners.

Yout whole argunent is " we breed like niggers on welfare"

My awnser is. Yes you are!

>>17905359
Oh yeah totally you need to wageslave for war. Not like most wagies today work for mcdonalds. Totally delusional.

ITT seething christniggers

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCHHfBeu0QE

>>17905401
>Hitchens
Lol

>>17905330
cuck
>>17905337
Yeah, that's why I want an universal caliphate. China will be replaced with Greater Uyghurstan.
>>17905322
>constant warfare
Yeah, you too, except we are being intervened by NATO and Mossad.
>mental health
Europe (and Japan) have the most psychological problems in the world and people taking antidepressa rise everyday. It has been proven by research that muslims in Europe are happier than non-muslims. IQ is a jewish meme.
>complete lack of work ethic
You probably refer to Moroccans in Europe, because I can't think of any other example. I believe that the work laws muslims give to women are superior, especially for birth rates and family values - isn't that want you want in your muh aryan hyperborea. When the wagecuck phase is over and every job is replaced - even the government jobs thanks to superintelligent AI - aren't you then just some NEETs living to consume everyday, stripped from human life and ambition. Because this is what you're heading to.

>>17905337
yeah bro the only thing stopping le foreign masses from conquering you is the heckin GDP

hang yourself

>>17905385
Yes mate we do, the West needs to maintain its economy so at a moments notice we can switch it too a wartime industry.

You dont like this idea because it makes us strong. Islam is just a leftwing progressive tool to undermine Western society.

Come on go tell me islam is not progressive. Because thats all you people really are... the rabble to weak for work and to oversexed for chastity. You just base your religion on your lazy life and porn habit.

>>17905369
I dunno. In my admittedly shallow understanding of the time period, the major factors that doomed the Muslim world to the chaos we see today were (in no particular order):
>Anglo-American companies searching for wealth via oil
>American and Soviet proxy conflicts (military and otherwise)
>The failure of Saudi rulers to contain Wahhabi/Salafi ideology (particularly after the Grand Mosque seizure)
>The spreading of Wahhabi/Salafi ideologies by Saudi Arabia throughout the Middle East (unwittingly backed by American interests)
>The tide of revolutionary sentiment in the region, both from the left (Afghan Communist Revolution, etc.) and the right (Iranian revolution), and the failure of these revolutions
I am unsure of how Pan-Arab nationalism, Israel, and other factors played a part, but I am sure they did, and my picture of the region and how it became what it is in modern times is incomplete. (This is perhaps more /his/ than /lit/, but oh well).

>>17905401
>h*tchens

>>17905416
Sigh if europeans where more mentally ill and had a worse work ethic. We would not be rich. Our wealth proves use right.

>>17905428
LOL literal wageslave and proud. Your job is probably working at a supermarket or something meanwhile I have 4 kids.

>>17905423
Yes mate, without an economy there would be no police, military, laws or social welfare

>>17905436
Is this really the state of “white nationalists” in 2021?
>uhh mental health is great if CEO Mr Shekelberg sees line go up
Fuck off

Islam is a cia psyop

>>17905459
Right that’s why the USA has been fighting against Islam for decades

>>17905350
israel and islamism (supported by israel) is what happened

>>17905436
>ignoring your entire imperial past which is in fact still going.
Just because you're rich, doesn't mean you can't have mental issues. That is brainlet ayn rand tier materialist thinking. And good luck when the dollar collapses and the new Dark Ages comes and the even worse China have to live over us thanks to our dependency. And it's totally not true that houses and other utilities have risen to extreme high costs compared to the past, that most zoomers and millenials will not be able to afford, and if they do, they will just have a paycheck to paycheck life. Stop coping.

>>17905437
Again. Your basic argument is "I breed like a nigger on welfare"

My awnser is "yes you do"

It is true that uncecked breeding wil destroy society. That is why society needs to find people like you and sterilize them.

Which will happen one day and the world will be a happier place.

>>17905467
yeah quite profitable wars too

>>17905472
People like you will die out and the only whites left will be Muslims and fundamentalist Christians.

>>17905453
Sigh if muslims where mentally more sound they would outcompete use economically and the world would slowly adopt islam because it brings prosperity.

>>17905472
seething liberal bugman

>>17905476
>profitable wars
>7 trillion debt for Saddam Hussein and Palestine combined
>thousand dead soldiers
What you tried to say, is that the US is hijacked by Israel and is going against their benefits, for their own benefits.

>>17905481
You have 0 children your opinion is literally irrelevant

>>17905470
Nigger I am Dutch and my nation has been wealthy for the last 1100 years, with ups and downs. The middle east has collapsed, quess that makes us superior.

>>17905476
im sure it'll trickle down any day now faggot

>>17905102
Lolita

>>17905411
Refute his points

>>17905496
Based butters

>>17905170
>death cult
filtered

>>17905493
I'm Dutch too and it's impossible for people to get a house in the big cities in the Netherlands, you should know this. Btw the Netherlands is a giga cucked country where homosexuality, prostitution and drugs is allowed, while BDSM gigolo's explain to 6 years old children how BDSM sex works on national TV + your birth rates are awful and family values are non-existent. But muh GDP right.

>>17905480
In reality society when confronted with breeders like yourself will eventuallt correct itself. That is what you really fear, your right to breed taken away from you.

>>17905487
The state will take away your right to have children and society will return to normal.>>

>>17905102
When you refer to we, whom are you referring to?

>>17905490
well yes I thought that was obvious

>>17905491
Mate, in 20 years I will work with the goverment to sterilize so many of you people. It wont even be funny. Imagine millions of muslims picked up from their homes and given the snippy snappy

>>17905511
I have an idea lets remove all that AND islam!

>>17905537
yuros are already sterilized and they keep castrating themselves by consuming poisonous products

>>17905546
>remove that AND the solution
Or you can just follow the path of other Dutch right wingers who converted like Joram van Klaveren, Arnoud van Doorn and Jan Janszoon.

>>17905523
no it wont

>>17905537
This is not China, and in any case the liberal zeitgeist would love to do that to Christians, not Muslims.

>>17905558
Good lets return the favour a hunderd fault. If you want to conquer through breeding, we will sterilize you. Period.

>>17905511
G E W O O N
B L O O T

>>17905559
Why would I do that? Too fuck children, to sit on my ass all day? To read shitty literature? Lol i am not a loser!

>>17905572
>a hunderd fault
LMAO

>>17905561
Lol just wait.

>>17905564
Again just wait.

I am stopping this discussion. But just one thing. You mussies wait and see.

>>17905593
>just heckin wait for le day of the roperino

>>17905537
Native Dutch are actually over-represented in child molest cases compared to muslims. Vereniging MARTIJN definitely wasn't Islamic either.

Don't talk about literature either, Dutch literature is awful and never shown in this board
>inb4 Thierry Baudet
>>17905581
That show is cringe too, but I refer to a show where this guy in BDSM suit was talking about his work against many kids and was explaining how he uses his handcuffs for sex. I think it was on VPRO channel.

>>17905572
you won't do shit you are spineless bitch I can break into your house stab you and your gvt would thank me face it you already lost

>>17905623
Wrong number, I ment >>17905583

>>17905102
>Islam is the endgame of right wing philosophy
Stage 3: Bargaining

>>17905805
How so? Right wingers have always regarded Islam highly. Look at what Hitler said about it.

>>17905997
That's a far cry from converting to it. Do you think so many people would really be tempted if there was not already such a large Islamic population in the West? At that point you've given up on both European ethnicity and European culture in the name of a foreign tradition you have no organic connection to.

>>17906070
"muh ancestors" is not an argument

>>17906070
A bunch of Nazis converted to Islam, so did Guenon.

>>17905369
>>17905322
>t. Amerimutt

>>17906091
It certainly was for Adolf Hitler, who was cited in the post I was responding to. Also for Evola, who Op gives as his inspiration.

>>17906103
>A bunch of Nazis converted to Islam
True. But they did so while living in postwar exile in Muslim countries, which again indicates an acceptance that their preferred - folk based - belief system was no longer effective.

>>17906138
>which again indicates an acceptance that their preferred - folk based - belief system was no longer effective.
Well yeah isn’t that a main point in OP’s post? >>17905233
>I'm not in just for the politics, the politics just made me come closer to the truth as Islam's spirituality and politics are a necessity for the modern secular world that left God and tradition with the failure of Christianity.
Like here saying Christianity failed.

>>17905493
>>17905537
I remember reading somewhere the Dutch are significantly mixed with Jews. Is this true? Something about you guys strike me as a little bit more Jewy compared to other Europeans like Germans.

>>17906153
Hence 'bargaining'.

Also, isn't the Evolian/Guénonian view that such decline is an inevitable result of a cyclical process, of forces beyond humanity which would those forces exert the same pressure on Islam? In fact, it's already doing so if we consider the overlap between certain Muslim groups and the left. Pluralism killed Christanity and nothing will change as long as people think the way to approach these things is to lay out all the options and simply choose the one that seems most appealing. That's an entirely modern phenomenon.

>>17906070
>>17906138
It has been stated by Albert Speer that Hitler wished that the Arab and Ottoman Caliphates succeeded in conquering Europe, so that they would have become Islamic.

>>17906287
“Bargaining” would be tradcaths imo. OP is more acceptance and moving on.

Both Islam and Christianity are retarded. Some days I hate Christianity more, other days I hate Islam. I can never conclusively decide which I hate more, but I do ultimately hate both.
All of you Abrahamists are going to hell, but you have done already done a good job of largely turning this world into hell.

>>17905102
>realised we need Islam to restrict technology
Then you haven't read Kaczynski. Technology can not be restricted or controlled, only destroyed.

>>17906287
Even assuming Hitler was being entirely literal there, he was referring to this happening forcibly as a result of military defeat. Not as a tactic for Charles Martel. Maybe you could make a case for something like this being the only thing that can save the European birthrate coupled with Hitler's point about the warrior spirit of it ultimately leading to Germanic world domination, but would that actually be an *Islamic* point of view?

>>17906361
Maybe so. Good luck to Op if he's really moved to convert, I just hope it's based on something more than a rhetorical point about hypergamy or whatever.

Okay so which iteration of judaism are we memeing next? we already did orthodox, and now islam, so maybe we should do the next jew sequel and try Mormonism. If I could hie to Kolob!

>>17906568
I hope not, the rituals seem to be incredibly boring.

We could probably take over Bábism if we all convert at once.

>>17905432
You forgot to add the the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire and the consequent Western colonial border-drawings that divided some religous/ethnic groups across multiple (post-colonial) territories.

DIdn't read any of the thread but that OP pic is makin me feel some type of way. Maybe we were wrong aobut Islam, fellas

>>17905102
Just go to Eastern Europe or South America, you heathen retard.

>>17907455
>just go to shitholes
no

>>17905102
Avoid the Quran. I'm serious, it's the worst fucking book I have ever read
Look into some Persian mystic if you want literature, I personally enjoyed Farid al-Din 'Attar
Otherwise just search for some Isis recruiting infographics or something, I doesn't really matter considering your motivations

>Humanism was the first form of what has subsequently become contemporary secularism; and, owing to its desire to reduce everything to the measure of man as an end in himself, modern civilization has sunk stage by stage until it has reached the level of the lowest elements in man and aims at little more than satisfying the needs inherent in the material side of his nature, an aim that is in any case quite illusory since it constantly creates more artificial needs than it can satisfy.

>Will the modern world follow this fatal course right to the end, or will a new readjustment intervene once more, as it did in the case of the Greco-Latin decadence, before it reaches the bottom of the abyss into which it is being drawn? It would seem that a halt midway is no longer possible since, according to all the indications furnished by the traditional doctrines, we have in fact entered upon the last phase of the Kali-Yuga, the darkest period of this “dark age”, the state of dissolution from which it is impossible to emerge otherwise than by a cataclysm, since it is not a mere readjustment that is necessary at such a stage, but a complete renovation. Disorder and confusion prevail in every domain and have been carried to a point far surpassing all that has been known previously, so that, issuing from the West, they now threaten to invade the whole world; we know full well that their triumph can never be other than apparent and transitory, but such are the proportions which it has reached, that it would appear to be the sign of the gravest of all the crises through which mankind has passed in the course of its present cycle. Have we not arrived at that terrible age, announced in the Sacred Books of India, “when the castes shall be mingled, when even the family shall no longer exist”? It is only necessary to look around in order to be convinced that this state is truly that of the world of today, and to see on all sides that profound degeneracy which the Gospel terms “the abomination of desolation”. The gravity of the situation cannot be minimized; it should be envisaged such as it is, without optimism but also without pessimism, for as we have already said, the end of the old world will be also the beginning of a new one.
-The Essential René Guénon

>>17905102
Are you looking for books explaining the process of converting to Islam or books about Islam that are good for a newbie? If the former, your spiritual leader should handle that instead of a book. If the latter, I have some recommendations, but still would like to know what aspects of Islam you're interested in.

Hispanic here, if I convert to islam will I be able to get an Islamic trad wife with a huge ass?

Can't believe nobody posted Submission by Michel Houellebecq. It's what convinced me that Islam is the only thing that could save Europe.

>>17907651
Making Djinn appear and binding them?

>>17905102
>I am almost converting to Islam.
Why? Are you that devoid of meaning and ability to reason that you would sell your soul to the Destroyer?

Hispanic here, if I convert to Islam will I be able to get an Arab trad wife with a huge ass?

>>17905102
Watch gay porn to complete the conversion

>>17905102
>to restrict women and hypergamy
Moslem countries were, before the surge of salafis, (and still are somehow) known for being paradises for degenerates.
Islam allows divorce, contraception, coitus interrumptus, sometimes even sodomy (by fatwa). Not very trad, has disastrous effects on demographics and on societies as soon as a bit of decline starts.

Polygamy is highly dysgenic, higher-ranked people will get women easily while normal people will die out, making them more prone to marrying a cousin or even a sister. It had disastrous effects on the genetics of countries that had very good genetic potential (see the amount of hereditary diseases, the low IQ).

>christianity is dead
lol

>I have chosen the same glorious path of wisdom, as Guenon did
so basically you have a sandnigger gf

>>17905233
>with the failure of Christianity.
kek my dude do you know wtf those "BASED MUSLISM" are doing in degenerate shitholes like Bahrain...? trannies, drugs, alcohol, fast cars, etc. you're retarded.

>>17907725
>>17907756
cope christcuck

>>17907783
How is that coping? Think of it this way:
Muslims are so completely weak the only power they have is at the mercy of Big Tech who uses them solely to weaken internal communities by flooding them into areas and displacing the locals. Islam's only "authority" comes from being fodder for GAFAM, and that's being generous towards them at best.

ISIS was the extremist reaction to the fact Islam died long before Christianity did (when the Ottomans secularized, it was over) and look how that turned out? It was a meme from the start and a meme to the end and was most likely completely astroturfed by Mossad.

I'm assuming you're American which is why you are clawing at something tangible, but Islam is foreign and hostile to you if you are of European blood. Try reading the Iliad or something.

>>17907783
Enjoy your low IQ future. Christianity will rise again and crush you if you don't die out by yourself.
I forgot to adress one point
>realised we need Islam to restrict technology
as if islam taught anything contrary to technology. See the Emirates and tell me it "restricts technology".
That 80 IQ living in the mountains do not develop technology because they don't care and are too dumb doesn't mean there is any scriptural source that says technology shouldn't be developped. They're extremely happy to now use the tools the West has given them, even to be degenerates.
So your conclusion to "muh islam" is nonsensical, except if you think becoming a retard to avoid technology is a good thing. Then islam is not the answer, just racemix with a nigger and stop spouting nonsense about that religion you completely romanticize.

>>17907850
As a Muslim what you said is true. Although following Islam and Christianity in its purest forms would solve most of the problems within society, modern Muslims and Christians are proof that identifying with a religion is not enough. I've lived in Muslim and western countries. There are degenerates in both and I'd even say diaspora communities raised in the west tend to have more conservative sub groups than Muslims back home. I'd if its the colony effect (forgot the official name) or more access to education leading to voluntary religiosity compared to the coerced religiosity in Muslim countries.

When Muslims are forced to be religious, they tend to follow out of fear of social consequences instead of belief in God. Whenever these pressures are softened you see a boom in degeneracy, look at Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Somalia before they had revolutions and wars. Those brief few decades of "freedom" highlight the lack of belief in God. The same whores and simps in disco clubs became obedient and religious within a few months of war.

Meanwhile I've met a large number of mostly men but even women who are very religious in the west. All very young and educated on Islam through their own voluntary seeking of it. They could have been degenerates like many of their peers and have zero repercussions but decided to be more religious than their own parents.

>>17907703
Yes, I did.

>>17907850
Islam inherently has no anti technology sentiments, neither does Christianity. However a genuine follower of Islam would eventually come to the same conclusions as the average ecofascist.

Btw I'm against race mixing too. I want my ethnic group to remain homogenous and Muslim. I won't force but be proud of any nation that converts to Islam. If you wish to stay Christian or secular or return to paganism, its your issue. I just won't accept that to spread to my own people.

I have a greater disdain for the leftist and retard wahhabi types than I do to non Muslims who larp as Muslims like Shias. Why? Because they not only change and corrupt the teaching of Islam, but they convert millions of Muslim youth to their ideologies.

>>17908217
Are you actually larping or did you actually convert and got a wife? How did it happen? How are you supposed to meet your future partner when from what I undertand its only done by arranged marriages?

The /lit/ pastebin with links
https://pastebin.com/CKbsaqE0

>>17908243
Arranged marriages are pretty easy to find if you are sincere and practicing convert and eager to learn. As with all religions, serious converts are often more religious than regular Muslims, so religious dad's really like that. My suggestion is, tell your friends you want a wife, and it is very easy to make friends. If you want a particular race say so but if you don't care tell them that and they'll scout around for a dad who would like you and their family knows

>>17908374
Interesting, are you actually hispanic or whats your race/ethnic background?

>>17905102
seek help

>>17908394
I'm not that guy, I'm actually white with a Nordic background, for whatever that's worth in America, but I have also seen this apply with converts of other races including blacks, Hispanics, and whites.

Holy shit fucking fusion reactor level christcuck seethe ITT

>>17908243
>>17908394
Poster who replied. Basically what that other guy said about marriage. And yes, I am. In America, converts are very multiracial too.

>>17905102
>Falling for Islam meme

Kek. The great prophet Abu Taher Bin Hassan Al-Qurmuti disproved Islam long ago.

https://skeptic-mind.blogspot.com/2011/08/black-history-of-black-stonethe-black.html?m=1

>>17905117
>hostility to a historical enemy and cultural subversion is a mental illness
maybe if you want to be the internet equivalent of an intellectual that just says things for the sake of having a critical opinion but most retards can see the primitive reasoning behind Islamaphobia.

>>17905102
https://www.acommonword.com/docs/TJ%20Winter%20Booklist.pdf

>>17905136
Your anger has been noted, we will still laugh at you regardless.

>>17905102
Search it up online

>>17905322
The Islamic world was destroyed by the Mongols you utter retard.

>>17908243
>only done by arranged marriages
That's Hindus

>>17908190
Most of the people, like OP, who think just converting to or enforcing a religion will fix anything are extremely naive. They are just as naive as the people arguing that technology is good and that being a "reactionary" is inherently stupid. What has to happen is a revolution of the spirit (beyond any outer religious forms), which is nowhere to be seen. Look at OP's image, his style of writing, his simplistic thought pattern, along with all of the posters arguing against him in the thread. None of them have any idea what they are, what they're doing, or even what they're really arguing about. It is all a trivial game which none of them are invested in. They're probably all eating similar meals, living similar lifestyles, none of them have any genuine establishment in principles which are really beyond then, and in a sense "transcendent."

Mein Kampf

>>17907626
This is one of the best books I've ever read regardless of subject matter

>>17910798
orientalist meme

>>17907703
>Arab trad wife with a huge ass?
I-i-is this an actual thing?

>>17907703
>Arab trad wife with a huge ass?
Lel

>>17908374
what if you're a sperg and don't have a job?

>>17911226
> reads Quran every day
Boku haram, you infidel pig. The righteous don't let their women learn to read!

>>17910867
Yh I've met plenty of those people online and even in real life. The few who actually understand are rare as fuck. Out of the hundreds I've met I'd say only 5 guys kinda understand. Don't be sad tho. They're lemmings and there's probably no changing them. People like me and you have always been different even before when we were normies. Just find those 5 guys and you'll have people to discuss these topics with that are real people you can meet and form bonds with, not anons online

>>17909635
You can’t ‘disprove’ a religion. Most people are too deep into it anyway, or they just follow it for personal benefits and not necessarily because it’s true.

islam has been dead for hundreds of years

>>17910848
>>That's Hindus
No, that's the primordial tradition abandoned by westoids.

>>17911666
No, but you *can* show the internal contradictions of the system and thereby provide adequate proofs of the inadequacy and fallibility of the system through deconstructionist upturning from an emancipatory, rationalist-absolutist, Gnosticist perspective.

I literally only want to fuck arab pussy. I get an hard-on everytime I think of fucking a girl with an hijab on

>>17905126
The only thing that make someone Muslim is if he believe in Allah, if OP reasons make him believe that Allah is real because Islam fit his values and make sense to him then I think it's ok.
>>17905245
Islam if anything discourage incest and forbid it in most cases. pedophilia is not wrong and racemixing is up to the people and their parents.

>>17905245
I hate Islam, but there are the most low-IQ Amerimutt criticisms.
In order to criticize a theological system, you look at its metaphysical and revelatory claims, not the cultural practices that do not necessarily follow the scriptures, dumbass. Every major religion will have cultural practices not dictated by the religion.
You are unbelievably low IQ and should not be allowed to voice your opinion.

>>17912269
>there
these*

>>17912203
0 young men, those among you who can support a wife should marry, for it restrains eyes (from casting evil glances) and preserves one from immorality; but he who cannot afford It should observe fast for it is a means of controlling the sexual desire.
>>muslim:1400c

>>17905126
Yes, it does, judging by what OP said, I'd say I'm doubtful or clueless whether he is Muslim.
See in Islam, the point is submission to Allah and worshipping him alone and believing in all the previous books and messengers, especially the last and final messenger of Allah, Muhammad sallalhu Alaine wa sallam. Also belief in the day of judgement.
Without any of these, you are not Muslim.

So for example I don't what anyone says or the reasons for what anyone does, I only care about Pleasing Allah the almighty and being a good Muslim.
Also, culture can never be above Islam.
And also, you have to be certain that Islam is the truth and not be in doubt.

>>17905245
Regarding the incest, we don't, it's just the Christians deviated too far from what incest is and the Jews went the other way, so for example, in Judaism, an uncle can marry his niece while in Christianity they make sure there are many grandfather's between the spouses To not be incest.
Islam came and clarified this matter, so incest is only between direct blood relatives like mother son brother sister father daughter nephew niece uncle aunt

>>17905253
Regarding your so called age restriction, it's arbitrary, the 18 is adult thing has no basis, God knows is better than we do, and so the adult age is when a child goes through puberty.
Opinions matter squat if Allah has said something on the matter

>>17912235
>if anything discourage incest
Cousin marriage, which is halal, is incest and repeated instances of it within a community leads to increased rates of children born with birth defects. See the Pakistani community in the UK.

>>17912379
Islam is the faith and what Muslims does here is part of their culture.

>>17912379
Also, being halal is not being correct, I completely disagree with this.

>>17905102
Somebody ban this shill fucking discord already.

>>17905102
read The Doctrine of Awakening and convert to Theravada-Buddhism instead. Don't fall for the monotheism-meme

>>17912367
>in Judaism, an uncle can marry his niece
It’s weird that this is allowed when an aunt can’t marry her nephew.

>>17907800
“Do they think that We enlarge them in wealth and children,

We hasten unto them with good things (in this worldly life so that they will have no share of good things in the Hereafter)? Nay, but they perceive not”

[al-Mu’minoon 23:55].

>>17909733
>cultural subversion
Islam is 100x closer to values of christian europe than what we have now. Its literally the opposite of subversion

>>17912444
Like I said, their rabbis make it up, there is no basis for it

>>17912428
Without a doubt you are clueless about your religion, you know very well that you are in doubt, you have no basis for following whatever you said was besides "I like it"

>>17905572
Holy coperino

>>17911987
Christcuck projection

>>17907455
>he thinks anyone but dying boomers is christian in eastern europe

>this entire thread
i feel so bad for actual muslims, imagine knowing that a bunch of lonely nazi incels are attaching themselves to your religion because of how “based” and “right-wing” and “traditional” it is. It’s so hilariously sad.

>>17914139
>i feel so bad for actual muslims, imagine knowing that a bunch of lonely nazi incels are attaching themselves to your religion because of how “based” and “right-wing” and “traditional” it is. It’s so hilariously sad.
It is rather grim, very few of these people seem to care for the spirituality side of things.

>>17914163
Spirituality is a christcuck buzzword.

>>17914163
indeed, they convert simply to get brownie points or to feel better about their lives, instead of what religion is meant for (worshipping, love, and acceptance of your god above all).

>>17914139
religions are always happy to get new converts. The only one seething right now is you

>>17914139
Well they are only harming themselves, there is a criteria for being a Muslim.
So if you don't believe That Allah is the only God and that Muhammad is the last and final messenger of Allah, all the previous messengers peace be upon them and the previously revealed books and the angels, and also belief in the day of judgement, a lack of any one of these will mean you are of the kuffar.
Our job as Muslims is only to inform, everyone will be called to account for their actions and no one takes a burden of another's sins

>>17905102
Your aqeedah and reason for being a Muslim does worry me, hopefully this will make you learn more, it's one of the things the people of jannah get.

Imams Ibn Abid Dunya, Abu Nu’aym, and others (rahimahumullah) have recorded this narration as the statement of Sayyiduna Ibn ‘Abbas (radiyallahu ‘anhuma).

(Sifatul Jannah of Ibn Abid Dunya, Hadith: 69 and Sifatul Jannah of Abu Nu’aym, Hadith: 324; Also see: Hadil Arwah, pg. 390, Daru ‘Alamil Fawaid edition, and Ithafus Sadatil Muttaqin, vol. 10 pg. 543)

Sayyiduna Ibn ‘Abbas (radiyallahu ‘anhuma) has narrated: “Verily there is a river in Jannah (paradise) called Al-Baydakh. Upon it there are domes made of precious jewels, and beneath it there are maidens growing [like plants], singing the Quran.

The people of Jannah will say: Come with us to Al-Baydakh. When they reach, they will [begin to] examine those maidens. When one of them [i.e. the people of Jannah] then fancies a maiden, he will place his hand upon her wrist. She will then follow him and another will grow in her place [i.e. in place of her].”

OP is easily impressionable.

>>17912408
The warlord you worship married his first cousin.

I read in a book by an islamic historian that if you look at the evidence from history, the caliphates did not declare wars for no reason, but they did take refusal to accept missionaries to be a valid reason. This means that if the muslims sent missionaries to rome, and rome refused them and sent them back, this was reason enough for war, basically. Now if you are indeed on the absolute side of right, so that your missionary work is the only thing that can save a people, then there's some logic to this. But you have to admit that these potential adversaries may have had worries that if some border-village converted, that the village would then want to join the caliphate, in which case missionary work is actually political subterfuge. If the the caliphate were not an imperial project already, then perhaps this could be a moral stance, that refusal of missionaries is reason for conflict. But given that it is a huge political power-projcet, I don't see that it can be.

>>17914958
Anon people willingly converted to Islam and went o Islamic courts even.

>>17914970
this is your take on 1300 years of history?

>>17914981
It's much more far reaching than le evil Muslim empire.

>>17915048
do you think killing someone for refusing dawa is sound?

>>17915074
Islam is not like that.

>>17905102
>sheep

>>17915114
my source is Ahmad Mohsen al Dawoody, who cites a study by the International Institute of Islamic Thought (IIIT), "a ten year research project on international relations in Islam conducted by a group of twenty seven academic specialists, mostly of Cairo University, in international relations, positive international law, islamichistory and political science."

"According to the projects findings, the Islamic position toward non-muslims, namely peace or war, is determined by their response to islamic dawa. In other words, muslims may resort to the use of force against their enemies if they prevent muslims from preaching islam."

>>17915074
Yes

>>17915163
>>17915163
Because guiding by example is also Dawah and if a Muslim is prohibited from that then it means he's not able to practice his religion..this is a declaration of war on Islam and you westerners are too cucked.

>>17915206
I think a better response would have been to call the IIIT a psyop. it could be, it's a little odd. but the book was very, very much apologetic, so much so that I couldn't even finish it in the end, and it presented this as a real and moderate position.

>>17907703
I find Arab women very attractive too but I'm not going to convert to Islam over it.

>>17905102
Worst bait I've seen in years

Muhammad was an incel. When he was 25, before securing power and prophethood, he could only get a 45 years old widow. If he was rich or handsome, he could definitely get someone at least his age. He also cultmaxxed and meditationmaxxed to impress the preist Waraka-Ibn-Nawfal (his wife's brother). Also when he was younger, he was a social recluse, all the kids around his age used to go to village fair, having booze, enjoying music and dance and escortmaxxed, but he was the one who was always left out. That's another reason why he hated music and dance so much. Before Islam, Arabia was a gynocentric hell-hole, one women could marry multiple men. They could go bathing in public being naked, could dance in public wearing barely anything etc. Muhammad hated all these. Even after conquering Mecca and taken over the political power, he managed to marry up multiple borderline grannies and widows. Except one slave girl (who was a gift) and Ayesha. To get married to Ayesha, he had to exercise a great amount of influencemaxxing on Ayesha's parents. He is the only based person in the history who successfully led an incel uprising. He also used to lure followers by telling them they will get many roast-beefs in the heaven. He was an incel and used to understand how average men are suffering. He also helped an extremely ugly guy (Julaibib) to find a wife. That's why Islam is so based.

recommend a show called Shtisel for any would-be abrahamics. it's like a family drama about a pretty orthodox rabbinical familly in jerusalem. they have a drink every once i a while, other than that I think a lot of it is similar, and it sure is not similar to the secular world. Islam is, after all, judaism for the masses. and God knows best.

>>17915415
>Islam is, after all, judaism for the masses

Does anyone have a recommendation for a lecture or podcast series (or similar) about Islam? Something lucid and comprehensive.

>>17915446
strongly recommend a shaykh called Hamza Yusuf. His stuff is very well thought out, he loves what he does, and he is a convert which does make him approachable. These videos, for instance, are interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxCGVGzbdP8

this is him educating american high school teachers on islam. there are TONS of content with this guy, I mean tens if not hundreds of hours for free on youtube, and he is an islamic scholar by profession.

>>17915490
and he is very much in the mainstream of islam, he will not shy away from saying that a muslim must consider homosexuality to be haram in order to be muslim. he will admit that there can be times when blasphemers can be killed. at the same time I have heard him be open to a need for reinterpretation of some old rules (specifically a rule that some muslims follow that a woman must have the permission of a male guardian in order to marry)

>>17915490
>>17915496
>Yusuf was born as Mark Hanson in Walla Walla, Washington to two academics working at Whitman College and he was raised in northern California.[2] He grew up as a practicing Irish Catholic Christian and attended prep schools on both the East and West coasts. In 1977, after a near-death experience in a car accident and reading the Qur'an, he converted from Christianity to Islam.[2][23] Yusuf has Irish, Scottish and Greek ancestry.[20]
Lmao

>>17915490
>>17915496
Thanks anon, I'll take a look.

Dangerously based.

>>17909733
Here is the thing though. Back then, being anti-Islam made sense because we agreed on fundamental truths (one God, objective morality, single telos for humanity, life after death, etc.), but we disagreed on the details.
Nowadays, we have completely abandoned those fundamental truths (that any sane right-winger/traditionalist still believes in), while Islam hasn't. So it doesn't make any sense to focus on the details anymore, since it's the big-picture that's being debated.