/lit/ - Literature

>>17903763
>doesnt see stylistic greatness
>wHaT iF iT wAs AlL a MeMe?!?!

IJ isn't that great though

>>17903763
german meme trilogy

>>17903847
Redpill me on Schattenfroh

>>17903847
Don't know these but I would have expected the man without qualities to be there

>>17903851
It's english reviewer was a professional shill.

>>17903847
>Zettels Traum
>Berlin Alexanderplatz
>Baron Münchhausen
would be my pick

>>17903855
>>17903857
both very good picks
>>17903856
that's why it made the cut for me

My submission for the Italian one

>>17903855
geschichtklitterung has been called a 16th century german Finnegan's Wake, Zettel's Traum is the final boss of german lit and Schattenfroh is being shilled as the Ulysses or ISOLT of our time. In terms of actual greatness, Zettel's Traum is meme but unchallenged in its pure genius, Geschichtklitterung seems interesting in a novelty sort of way, but I haven't read the full thing, Schattenfroh is as big a meme as IJ
>>17903851
M E M E

>>17903890
Based. alternative middle pick: Zeno's conscience OR if we're doing non-fiction as well, Revolt against the modern world

>>17903893
>Schattenfroh is as big a meme as IJ
In german lit or in general? I saw the English review but not many seem to know about it.

>>17903763
>>17903895
what would be the english non-fiction meme trilogy? something like Fanged Noumena would have to be in there

>>17903906
here and among germans that know about it. give it time though, anon. once i'm done translating it, it will be a much bigger meme. similar to ZT's meme status before and after John E. Woods' translation

>>17903847
why even read German fiction when you have German Idealism lmaooo

>>17903895
I like Zeno but I don't think it fits since it is high school tier
Didn't realize meme trilogies should only include fiction so making the chart I put Bartoli in it. If we should stick to fiction a replacement should be appointed
A writer I considered was Gadda but ended up discarding him because while he makes for a great meme his works are not nearly long enough for this king of chart

>>17903763
Fukken saved

>>17903946
>meme trilogies should only include fiction
i always assumed it since Ulysses GR and IJ are all fiction but personally, i think any book can help form a meme trilogy. Consider french, if we're only doing fiction, the ultra-meme that is Anti-Oedipus would have to be left out

>>17903890
Anon do you even know what OP meant? I’m highly erudite and I haven’t heard about any of the works/authors you posted
An Italian “meme book” would be the divine comedy for example

>>17903763
all in favor of renaming it the 'meme trinity' say aye

>>17903966
t. illiterate monolingual anglo
imagine flexing your lack of knowledge on a literature board

i have zero familiarity with finnish lit, but alastalon salissa definitely has to be there

>>17903966
How the fuck have you not heard of ‘The Leopard’ for Christsakes. “Highly erudite”, yeah right

>>17904004
>the leopard
Kek, learn to read before flexing on others for being illiterate

>>17903966
I assumed it is was supposed to be about long and hard books

now there is one for Croatia

Updated the Italian one to only include works of fiction

>>17903966
Meme trilogy means experimental, long and difficult books that pseuds love to namedrop to look smart. That was the original intent anyway.

>>17904263
>original intent
i agree with your definition of the meme trilogy, however the nature of memes is that they're in perpetual flux

>>17904241
why not include this thing?
it is in Latin, but by an Italian, and seems like it would be a /lit/ meme if the board read something other than anglos

>>17904298
Cause Idk what that is lmao

>>17904241
>>17903890
man i really wanna read horcynus orca. i have friends who speak italian but it seems even difficult for them

>>17904241
La cognizione del dolore is the hardest fictional book I've ever read, but it's quite short

Chinese meme tetralogy

Am I late to the party?
This is the real Italian meme trilogy.

>>17903946
>>17903890
Based. The Istoria della Compagnia di Gesù is one of the greatest things ever written in all ages. I don't think it can't be part of a meme trilogy just because it's nonfiction. It reads almost like a novel.

>>17904298
It's not in Latin, it's written in 15th century court Italian. It was that absolutely gorgeous stage where Latin and Italian were inextricably mixed and fused together.

>>17904241
>>17904809
Gadda is one of the last bosses of Italian literature, but The Experience of Pain is just not as long as other stuff. As an aside, I think I got covid reading it.

>>17903815
This

Has anyone other than me read this book? It's a postmodern bizarre LSD-fueled trip

>>17904851
>when three out of the four books are written in a form of Chinese from 2k+ years ago.

>>17904982
My bad. Here's the real one

>>17903847
>German meme trilogy
>wilhelm landig absent
kys

>>17905005
doinB RYZE HACK?英雄联盟 400 CS 24 MIN

>>17903847
Has anyone on /lit/ read Zettels Traum? Has anyone?

>>17905091
Has anyone read infinite jest?

>>17905553
IJ is difficult book training wheels bro, that’s the whole point.

>>17903763
Of course

>>17905091
I have. Challenging as all hell but extremely rewarding. the writing of late period Schmidt evoked feelings that no other writer could evoke in me thus far, but that has a lot to do with the fact that I grew up in rural germany (not quite where his later books are set, but close). I imagine that that's how Irish people can feel when reading Ulysses. If you ask me though, Evening edged in gold is just as rewarding but way less of a commitment and not as challenging (but still super challenging)

>>17903890
This or:
Quer pasticciaccio brutto de via Merulana, Hilarotragoedia, Horcynus Orca

>>17905014
you're welcome to submit your trilogy. fag.

>>17903893
>Zettel's Traum is the final boss of german lit and Schattenfroh is being shilled as the Ulysses or ISOLT of our time
I thought Ulysses was the final boss of English Lit

日本語

The Murakami one could really just be any of his books, I just picked one.

>>17905804
Les deux étendards (Rebatet)
À la recherche du temps perdu (Proust)
Les mémoires de Saint Simon

>>17905804
Surely Atomised should be on there

>>17905863
>Ulysses was the final boss of English
maybe until the 1940's or so or so

>>17905870
bbbb...but Mishima is based....

>>17906010
Mishima is great, doesn't change the fact that he's a meme

>>17903815
Fuck off faggot, IJ is the best novel on there. The only reason you fuckers shit on it is cause you haven't read any of those books but of course you parrot what seems to be the popular and to your midwit intellect the sensible opinion. DAE IJ BAD??? ME REDDIT

>>17906034
Is No Longer Human good? I always see it posted here but I haven't gotten around to reading it, didn't know if I should bump it up the list.

>>17906060
yes it is
unironically it made me cry

>>17903968
but it's three books

>>17903763
What's the essence of the meme trilogy? That they are dense and pretentious or that they are 4chan compatible?

>>17906166
See
>>17904263
>>17904042

>>17906060
Of course it's good. Why else would people talk about it so fucking much?

>>17906060
It really isn't but I know I am in the minority with this. It's very short at least, so at worst you will waste a couple of hours

>>17905870
Can't agree with these choices unless meme here just means popular, rather than popular *and* notorious for attracting lit nerds. Mishima can stay but Dazai and especially Murakami (who has always been controversial for his un-literary style) are hardly the 'final boss' of Japanese literature. They're just popular. Restricting myself to relatively well-known modern authors as with the others (so no Tale of Genji), I would go with these.

>>17906089
but they're not really a trilogy like say, the lord of the rings

>>17905804
Kinda lame. Priest should definitely stay, but Hugo and celine are just too accessible

>>17905870
Norweigan wood is too short and grounded for this.

If you want the

>this book is really long and nonsense filled but still really good
meme, you go 1Q84, if you want

>this book is really long and nonsense filled, but give me something more sane than 1Q84, none of this cultist magic assassin child star Cat Train TV salesman horseshit to mess with my light magical realism
You go Wind-Up Bird Chronicle.

If you just want
>This book is long and for pseuds and secretly just sucks ass but you’re gonna pretend you liked it because it’s 800-1200 pages and the ending almost saves it
You go Killing Commendatore

Memetriologin, what do you think Swedebros?

>>17906372
Get the Quran on there.

>>17906378
The Quran is in Arabic.

>>17906397
And?

>>17906060
It's good but didn't live up to the hype for me. I think Notes From Underground is a much better, more relatable version of what No Longer Human is shilled as.

>>17906468
lmaooooo so edgy. sweden is basically an arab country now amirite. brooo you get it.

fuck off back to /pol/. Even if the great replacement was actually happening, it'd be a good thing

>>17906498
>Even if the great replacement was actually happening, it'd be a good thing
Then why are you mad at the mention of Quran?

>>17906468
A work in Arabic is obviously part of Arabic literature. A prerequisite to be part of Swedish literature is that the work is written in the Swedish language.
Compare with how a Mexican book written in Spanish wouldn't be considered part of Aztec literature.
>>17906498
Go back to your own country.

>>17906372
>No Either/Or
Your list needs to take the Kierkegaard pill

>>17906615
Kierkegaard was a Dane born in Denmark and wrote in Danish.

>>17903763
The Odyssey, The Iliad, and what? Sophocles! LOL VIRGINS

>>17904977
I still haven't read it because La Storia was too much of a shit. Although I liked Aracoeli. Should I read that?

Min Kamp - Knausgård
Seierherrene - Jacobsen
Markens Grøde - Hamsun

>>17906520
I'm not. that was another anon

>>17906610
>Go back to your own country
I'm german. I'm in my own country

>>17903763
The Russian Trilogy
1-Peterburg by Andrey Beliy
2-????
3-Norma by Vladimir Sorokin

>>17907105
Both War and Peace and The Brothers Karmazov seem like obvious choices
t not ruski

What would the Polish one be?

>>17906093
I don't know, I only feel Terra nostra should be there, and also cannot think of any other book so experimental in Mexico, if we do the common thing of making all lit from Mexico be the same as all latinamerica perhabs Rayuela could fit.

>>17907008
Arabs belong in the desert.

>>17906047
Bro your an idgit. I said its "not that great" but your little dick energy about your reading taste pours out of your comment like piss.
You need to check yourself and be okay with people liking things u dont, your a faggot. Kill yourself.

trying to come up with a brazilian one but i can only think of Grande Sertão Veredas and Catatau. maybe Os Sertões?

BRos...

>>17906093
>>17907601
>>17907874
There should just be one meme trilogy for Spanish Latin America, and that would be 2666 - Terra Nostra - Paradiso

>>17907722
Jezus wat is onze literaire traditie toch ruk.

>>17903763
Do any Romania bros have any idea what our meme trilogy would include?
I sugest "Cel mai iubit dintre pamanteni" and "Setea muntelui de sare"

Ive become increasingly exhausted with the lack of sincerity in this world, is that infinite jest is about? I always dismissed it out of hand as being an overhyped meme

>>17907874
brazilian meme trilogy

1. macunaima
2. os sertões
3. papéis avulsos(os contos do machado não prestam)

perhaps?

>>17905804
None of these are memes.

>>17905804
>Voyage About the Nuts
sounds pretty gay if you ask me

Russian:
1. Petersburg - Andrei Bely
2. Chevengur - Andrei Platonov
3. The Gift - Vladimir Nabokov

>>17909144
kek

>>17907105
Beskonechny tupik (The Infinite Dead End) by Galkovsky

>>17907761
T. Nigger

>>17909150
Russian would be
War and peace
Brothers K
Petersburg

>>17910675
the first two are as mainstream as they get
they are taught in schools even
disqualified

>>17910680
B-but they long :(

>>17910720
No they're not

>>17910680
So? Meme trilogy requires the works to be memes that attract pseuds. Doesn't matter if they are famous.

>>17910675
Meme trilogies are meant to be edgy, ideally modernist and pomo works, making them actually daunting to read and comprehend. W&P and Brothers K are too clear and classical in presentation.

All these suckers bitching about books being too famous and accessible when the English trilogy includes the single highest regarded work of the English language

>>17910746
They maybe classical and clear but they are still pretty damn long. A casual reader will most likely not sit through them, they are daunting in that sense.

>>17910773
Idk Russian doorstoppers were my introduction to literature as a hobby after finishing high school
Doesn't Russia have anything else that's edgier and still noteworthy that it has to fall back on novels that consistently make it into top 20 of best novels of all time or books to read at least once in your lifetime?

Portuguese:
Livro do Desassossego, Pessoa
Grande Sertão Veredas, Guimarães Rosa
Os Sertões, Cunha

>>17908921
>he read any of those unironically
Anon, I...

>>17910888
Põe coisa da Lispector, Lispector só publicou qualquer coisa por que era foda-amiga do reitor da USP da época

>>17911053
Celine sucks but Hugo is great and proust is worth it

>>17905841
Thank you for your take. I grew up in rural Austria so imagine I might be able to relate to this as well. I'm unironically thinking of making Zettles Traum my retirement book 30/40 years in the future.

>If you ask me though, Evening edged in gold is just as rewarding but way less of a commitment and not as challenging (but still super challenging)
I'll try that out. Thanks fren.

German:
The Man Without Qualities
The Sleepwalkers
Berlin Alexanderplatz

Note: this trilogy is far better than the one in OP.

>>17906372
Needs more Rudbeck

>>17910888
That's 2/3 Brazilian though

Actual Portuguese list would be
>Os Cus de Judas, Lobo Antunes
>A Máquina de Fazer Espanhóis, Valter Hugo Mãe
>Jerusalém, Gonçalo M Tavares

>>17911207
>No ZT
dropped

>>17903847
is this some kind of achievement?

>>17911232
Sorted by language, not country. You have to share

>>17911269
Is that gargantua one just a translation of Rebelais? Googling it doesn't help much

>>17911271
Fair enough, but they're practically different languages at this point, in terms of established writers and culture, so I thought it was worth separating. Just like the US and UK share an even closer language but with very different cultures and baggage.

>Norwegian Meme Trilogy
Peer Gynt
Markens Grøde
Min Kamp 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

>>17911291
>Just like the US and UK share an even closer language but with very different cultures and baggage
And yet the English trilogy has two American novels and one British wrote by an Irishman

>>17903847
I would think it would include The Man Without Qualities.

>>17911286
yes but it's not necessarily a faithful translation (according to wikipedia. I haven't read Rabelais' original work), Fischart just took it as an opportunity to pretty much do his own thing.

this is the true french meme trilogy

>>17911319
Based experimentalist reader. I like how this trilogy descend the stairs of notoriety in sharp steps: first a famous but difficult poet, then a very underrated curiosity writer, then an almost complete nobody.

>>17911319
>>17911342
Also, a list of French literary crazies and cranks:
>https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fou_litt%C3%A9raire#cite_note-Andr%C3%A9_Blavier198264-4

Funny that Roussel, who isn't even that obscure, is among them.

>>17907897
Based, although maybe Rayuela could replace either Bolaño or Paradiso

>>17911342
I wish I knew some mad poet from the 20th century. The surrealists, Char, Saint-John Perse, etc. they all seem too sage and prudent in scope (i.e. less meme-worthy) in comparison with Mallarmé...
>>17911350
>Funny that Roussel, who isn't even that obscure, is among them.
The way that dude wrote his book is absolutely retarded and fun, only some kind of madman could have thought about it. I believe he was also kind of crazy about inventing stuff outside of literature.

>>17911373
>The way that dude wrote his book is absolutely retarded and fun, only some kind of madman could have thought about it.
He even wrote a book about the process he used to design them (Comment j'ai écrit certains de mes livres). I happen to have just finished the first part this morning, it's funny but also a bit sad when he confesses he had no real success and hopes to get some posthumous recognitions.

>I believe he was also kind of crazy about inventing stuff outside of literature.
He did solve an open problem in chess (at the time he had been playing only for a few months, but admittedly the chess community was exponentially less professionalized and practiced than it is now). He also traveled the world in a kind of camping car that he designed, it was pretty unheard of at the time and he even got to meet Mussolini and the Pope because of this.
When you look at the details of his life it's clear that he was more than a bit eccentric and very passionate about his work, he was also kind of a socialite (his sister was married to a descendant of Maréchal Ney, he was on first name basis with all kind of napoleonian aristocracy) with a very delicate sensitivity.

>>17911300
>one British wrote by an Irishman
wdhmbt?

>>17911319
>not Mallarmé's Le Livre

>>17907897
>Paradis
never heard of that one, thanks anon, added to my reading list.

>>17911467
Un coup de dés is kind of the assessment of the failure of this project.

>>17911065
>Celine sucks
kys

Italian
>the divine comedy
>canzoniere/rerum volgarium fragmenta
>decameron
Literally 3 schizo coomers

>>17911720
The meme trilogy is supposed to be obscure and difficult

>>17911790
None of the books in OP are obscure or difficult

>>17911720
Lame and high school tier. Fuck off

>>17911803
that's why i think the english meme trilogy should be updated

>>17911913
how do you update a meme faggot?

>>17911942
you update the trilogy, not the meme you fucking tranny

>>17912042
how do you update books already published and massively distributed nigger?

>>17912068
Update what the books in the meme are you sperg

>>17912090
and how do you do that? you do a poll with books no one has read and everyone makes jokes about them?

>>17912095
You just do it for fun and hope it catches on

>>17912111
this guy gets it. it's simple. why the fuck doesn't this >>17912095 >>17912068 spazzing autist get it? the current meme triogy has become stale. just whip up a new one, just like the anons are doing for their languages IN THIS VERY THREAD. jfc what fucking retards

>>17912111
it's not fun and it will never catch on
have you even read the original meme trilogy before going full "trolololololo new memes!"?

>>17912131
I am not autistic.

>>17912139
>>17912133
t. spergy retard with a bad case of autismo

Is Tao Lin not included in the meme trilogy anymore? Ah, how I miss early 2010s lit (not)

>>17912133
>it's not fun
You're memeing wrong anone

>>17912169
based anon

>>17912131
A second meme trilogy had been ready since 2016.
The Recognitions
Women & Men
The Tunnel

>>17912179
yes. that's what it should be updated to.

>>17912169
>>17912147
no fuck you

>>17912205
Just accept you're autistic anone, it's the first step to getting a normal life

Contenders for Greek meme trilogy:
The Odyssey: A Modern Sequel by Kazantzakis
The Great Eastern by Embirikos
If inaccessibility is an important factor for the meme trilogy status, these are the best

>>17912179
if a meme trilogy can include fiction and non-fiction, it can include poetry too, so I'd propose the cantos to take the place of the recognitions

>>17911803
do zoomers really think this

The meme trilogy should include works that while noteworthy due to complex structure, intricate use of advanced literary techniques, and meta-textual nature make them nearly inaccessible to the untrained or uninitiated reader. It should serve as a barrier of entry for those who simply read as a time-killing hobby or in hopes of achieving pseud status.
You should not suggest books that you read in high school in your country. Try finding something more out there

>>17912473
They are definitely not obscure

>>17905804
>meme trilogy
>one of the books is actually a septology
amazin

you morons can't just pick 3 books and call it a meme trilogy. before we do this, we have to establish criteria for what books even qualify. i think poetry and non fiction are acceptable, however, this >>17912560 is a valid point

>>17911701
>muh detached disillusioned young man loves a bohémien life devoid of meaning
That shit comes a dime a dozen and journey to the end of the night is hardly among the best

>>17912560
>I list them separately to inflate my goodreads score
Didn't realize I was on /a/

>>17912633
kys

>>17912473
No, they don't. They say that only to sound smart.

English meme trilogy
German meme trilogy
Italian meme trilogy
French meme trilogy
Spanish Latin America meme trilogy

These are already settled, it seems. What about the other cunts?

>>17912937
Someone should compile a chart when the thread dies. There are some fun and valuable recs in here

>>17911913
fuck off, newfag

>>17913144
I'll have you know, I've been here since 2019 ;-D

>>17911232
Sorry if there aren't any meme worthy books in your country's terrible literature, fag

>>17903847
I once saw a new copy of the english translation of Bottoms Dream at a small local bookstore for $50. I considered buying it but didnt want to look like a total douche in the check out line. I regret that decision to this day

>>17914105
You made the right call. There's no book that could possibly worth that much

>>17914105
Depending on how long ago that was, I'd go back and see if it's still there. It's not like it's super cheap but honestly it's worth owning and anytime you can get it for less than retail, I'd snatch it. You english speakers are lucky though. A new copy is only 60 bucks i believe? The cheapest new version of Zettel's Traum is usually 250€ but I got lucky and bought my copy for only 100€. It was the 2nd most expensive edition too, which retails for 350€. And I got that version unexpectedly to boot. I ordered a used copy of the 250€ version, which was the whole book divided into 4 paperback books for easier reading. When it arrived, i was surprised to see it was the 350€ hardback edition, in almost mint condition, save for a tiny bit of damage to the slipcase. It was the most expensive book purchase I've made so far but at the same time it was the biggest bargain as well and I never regretted it.

>>17914334
how is that book so expensive? even pléiade edition, or huge translated books in luxury edition like Zibaldone don't cost that much here
for that price you could get all balzac or all saint-simon and casanova in luxury editions and have enough to read for a few years

>>17914406
The volumes of La Pléiade cost less than 50€??

>>17914464
Used copies yes, new edition are a bit more expensive but nowhere near 250€

>>17914406
i don't think you realize just how big the book actually is

>>17914533
I looked on goodreads and it says 1134 pages, which I guess have a big size. For comparison I have a Bernanos' pléiade which is around 2000 pages in small format which costs 65€ new, and a Zibaldone (big format) in a very nice edition translated and annotated which costs 40€ new. It really seems excessive unless there's something I'm missing.

>>17914604
Zettel's traum is the longest single volume work that exists. In any language, fiction/non-fiction.

>>17914604
it's not just the page count

>>17914635
>>17914628
Alright that's big! A shame it's not translated in French, I'm way too lazy to read that in German or English. I went for a comparison and the whole set of ISoLT in pléiade is like 270€ new, so maybe a bit expensive but I guess there is only one publisher which explains it.

>>17914635
and the english edition is not quite as big as the german edition as far as i know. later I'll post a comparison pic of my german hardcover edition

>>17914635
Now that's a good meme

>>17912308
A friend of mine studies Greek and has talked about The Great Eastern, sounds excellent.

>>17912583
i'd say >>17912504 has the right idea
i'll add that usually these books are also doorstoppers, mostly because the Big Long Heavy Thick books look nice on the bookshelf, and pseuds would like to be seen in public with those (imagine lugging around ZT tho, lmao >>17914635), but i don't think it's a prerequisite.

>>17903847
never heard of any of those

t. german

>>17915311
you forgot to say uncultured and illiterate

>>17915370
at least I'm not a hoity toity cunt

>>17915437
you are though

>>17903763
For Spanish