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Any progress on your novels?

previous thread:>>17895214

For Prose:
>The Art of Fiction
>Story Genius: How to Use Brain Science to Go Beyond Outlining and Write a Riveting Novel (Before You Waste Three Years Writing 327 Pages That Go Nowhere)
>On Becoming A Novelist
>Writing Fiction: A Guide to Narrative Craft
>How Fiction Works
>The Rhetoric of Fiction
>Steering the Craft
>On Writing, Borges

For Poetry:
>The Poetry Home Repair Manual
>Western Wind: An Introduction to Poetry
>This Craft of Verse, Borges


Related Material:
>What Editors Do
>A Student's Introduction to English Grammar
>Garner's Modern English Usage

Suggested books on storytelling:
>The Weekend Novelist
>Aristotle's Poetics
>Hero With a Thousand Faces
>Romance the Beat

Suggested books on getting your fucking work done you lazy piece of shit:
>Deep Work
>Atomic Habits

Traditional publishing
> Formatting manuscript
https://blog.reedsy.com/manuscript-format/
> Write a query
https://www.janefriedman.com/query-letters/
> Track your query
https://querytracker.net/

Other Resources
>General grammar/syntax/editing help
https://owl.purdue.edu/owl/purdue_owl.html
> When/where/how should I write?
https://jamesclear.com/daily-routines-writers
> What software should I write with?
https://self-publishingschool.com/book-writing-software-best/
> Amazon Publishing to make that KDP monie
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G200635650
> Be like Charles Dickens and write serially
https://www.royalroad.com/
> Basic overview of the Screenplay format
https://screenwriting.info/

>> No.17904729

anime anime aniem
animem inanemanmememe
meme meme
me me me me

>> No.17904741
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17904741

This is it. If I write one more word, it'll be the furthest in this story I've ever been.

>> No.17904745
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17904745

>Any progress on your novels?
Yes, I'm done now. I was never cut out for this but I hid behind the language barrier to avoid criticism for months, maintaining an illusion that was fun to live in while it lasted.
This will be my final post on /lit/. I've been humiliated and exposed as a fraud. My writing is pretentious, infantile, banal drivel. My observations are dull, my language grade school level. My tenses are mixed up, I use colloquialisms, ellipses and onomatopoeia.
I was never cut out for writing. I began writing my "book" on January 6th. Since then I've produced 56 thousand words for it. These words are a tide of garbage without value, without insight, without form. It was never real writing, it was anime and weebshit.
I have failed. Goodbye.

>> No.17904755

>>17904745
could you shut the fuck up and stop posting the same shit every thread

>> No.17904764
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>>17904741
Yesterday I had nothing
Today I have little
And everyday from now I will have a little more
We're all gonna make it brehs, especially you Sam poster

>> No.17904777

>>17904764
>1312 words
>4 pages
What kind of typographical scheme are you using?!

>> No.17904786

>>17904777
I'm skeleton anon from last thread
Lotta dialogue, lotta line breaks

>> No.17904801

>>17904755
You're right, I need to start updating the word count.

>> No.17904847

>>17904741
>>17904745
These memes really capture the essence of /wg/
You either smile and write in bliss or have the phantom of the ideal writer on your shoulders, putting you down and telling you to quit

>> No.17904893

Quick thread survey:

>Have you actually ever completed a novel?
>If so, how many?
>Word count of each?

>> No.17904903

Still basking in the afterglow of having a draft of my kid's fantasy novel complete. Now I have to figure out how to approach editing it. I think my plan is to make a map of each of the character journeys and then reread the draft without touching anything, rating each chapter on a few factors: character impact, stake-raising, and (since it's a kid's book) fun. Any other information I should catalog about what I've got before I decide what changes to make?

>> No.17904911

>>17904893
no
no
no no no no
stop reminding me I can't take it it's not my fault I'm going to be the next Nabakov just listen to me I'm only trying to help please it's not my fault can you hear it too
THE ANIME THE ANIME IS CALLING THERE IS NO SAM WHERE I AM GOING I TRIED TO TELL YOU I ONLY WANTED TO HELP

>> No.17904915

>>17904745
By insulting your own writing you are really just insulting yourself. Words are just a method of self expression, of communicating a message that comes from your brain. When you say your writing is terrible, it just means you have no respect for yourself and you don't see any way to become a better person.

We all hate ourselves here, anon, but at some point we believe ourselves to be better than others and with something to say, and that's what pushes us forward. I am the reason for all of my life sorrows. I am the little death that brings misery from the moment I awake from nightmares. I am at fault for failing myself. I am a disappointment to the entire human race. I will be forgotten in a generation.

But at least I'm not a faggot.

>> No.17904954

Why do vtuber fans try to force them on everyone, at this point is clear the OPs are chosen just to spite people

>> No.17904958

>>17904903
Can't say without knowing what you wrote. Does the narrative cover and covey the themes of your story?
If yes your good in my eyes, so long as the writing is engaging and plot well paced

>> No.17904969

>posts 13
>ips 7
Insane motherfucker

>> No.17904972

>>17904954
The same reason everyone has to know about jesus.

It gives them something to do that feels fulfilling.

>> No.17904980

>>17904958
>Does the narrative cover and covey the themes of your story?
That's what I'm cataloging information to ensure.

>> No.17904984

>>17904915
it's a copypasta.

>> No.17904996

>>17904969
>2 posts per person
The horror, the horror...

>> No.17905000

>>17904984
Oh, lol.

>> No.17905003

>>17904969
Good ratio for /wg/. More shit posts to effort posts than usual but that's normal for new thread
It'll even out in a few hours

>> No.17905116

>>17904996
Can you really not see OP's samefaggotry?
>posts anime images
>"only animefags write"
>keeps bringing up Nabokov for whatever reason
>anyone who criticizes him is a "anti-weeb pseud"
>same butthurt copypasta in every thread

>> No.17905124

>>17905116
I'm the one who posts the copypasta though

>> No.17905130

>>17905116
You sit and laugh with your finger pointed but don't realize everyone sees you as the clown

>> No.17905192

>>17904893
I'm revising my first, 95,000 words. I don't know if I'll ever actually finish revising though.

>> No.17905230

>>17905124
Anon, it’s best if you don’t reply to him. That anon is a legit schizo who thinks weebs are all lurking just outside of his peripheral vision to get him. The last thread even mentioned him in the end.

>> No.17905239

>>17905230
There are no "weebs," just the one faggot who makes these threads and /sffg/ with vtuber OPs because mommy never gave him enough attention.

>> No.17905244

>>17905116
He's a fag for the anime shit, but there's consistently a thread up and running with good info in the OP, so I don't really care

>> No.17905281

>>17905130
I don't see him as the clown.

>> No.17905283

>>17904786
Drove me absolutely nuts

>> No.17905294

Someone list off all the /wg/ regulars and let’s write a story about those characters/archetypes.

>> No.17905304

>>17905294
That guy that always rants about comma splices, seems like a real pill.

>> No.17905318

>>17905294
>anime schizo
>RR shills
>ritual copypasta poster
>no dialogue tag, no read
>1chap chap

>> No.17905339

>>17905283
But why. Skeletons are cool
Were my dialogue tags too inconsistent? Babe please I promise I can change

>> No.17905342

>>17905318
How do I become a regular? I don't wanna tripfag. Also these threads weird me out in that some take days and others seem to blow past in a couple hours.

>> No.17905343

>>17905318
>>anti-anime schizo
FTFY.

>> No.17905361

>>17905342
have a personality
honestly you probably don't want to be identified as a regular, most of them are compulsive shit posters or unhinged
if you want to be a comfy regular effort post somehow. I was posting a flash every morning for a week, that made me feel like a regular, even if no one else probably noticed

>> No.17905471

>>17905294
>no negativity nancy
Asks for crit, melts down upon receiving it
>wannabe wallace
Doesn't write or read, makes one post asking how easy it is to become rich and famous before permanently leaving thread
>auteur andy
Rarely writes but when he does adds 100 words or rewrites his first chapter for the hundredth time
>for fun pharrell
Writes because he enjoys it. Exclusively writes anime or smut

>> No.17905508

>>17905342
I don’t want people to recognize me and my shitty writing.

>> No.17905571

I keep doing this thing where I can’t sleep because I’m thinking about shit I want to write and then when I wake up I can’t remember it. I took some notes last night when I woke up at 3am after stress dreaming my way through a couple hours, but all it says it, “options, sad, steals things for control”

I felt like it was a pretty good idea at the time, but now I don’t remember what I was thinking about with that concept.

>> No.17905693

>>17905571
This is such a retarded post. If you are regularly having this problem then not only you should make sure to always write your ideas down, but also you should make sure to always write them down clearly. Bam, problem solved.

>> No.17905789

>>17905693
Y-you too

>> No.17905922

What's a good way to practice writing? I don't really feel confident or skilled enough to write full narratives yet.

>> No.17905940

>>17905922
Write short stories.
Try to write the same sentence in as many different ways as you can.
Find writing prompts.
Read books about the writing process and follow those exercises in those books of the OP.

>> No.17906119

>>17905922
Write whatever you want to write/whatever comes to mind "for fun", as often as possible, until you integrate the habit of regularly writing at a good pace and feel confident enough to start writing serious things.

>> No.17906129

I have something unfinished and I want to turn it into erotica. Is this wrong/will my characters hate me for it?

>> No.17906142

>>17906129
You are your characters and I assume everyone in this thread hates themselves.

>> No.17906149

disgusting anime thread, also unwelcoming for our christian anons as it is heretical. i am disappointed, /wg/. i thought we were better than this.

>> No.17906225

Would a story about a guy wondering around a city abusing women he knocked up and then abandoned be too edgy?
My job has led me to meet such individuals on a worryingly regular rate but I'm not sure whether I should be put it down as a story

>> No.17906334

>>17906225
I think it would be much more interesting to write a story about a guy wondering around a city and meeting a staggeringly high rate of men who abuse women they knock up and abandon. How he initially copes with it being happenstance. Then how he realizes it's far too often. How he tries to use the legal system to help the women but they end up thinking he's one of the abusers. The harem of women he's been helping returning the favor, only for all the abusive men to think they are all cheating on them with this guy. How he has to move to another town.

>> No.17906428

>>17906225
>>17906334
>wondering around

>> No.17906432

>>17906334
and add a twist of realism where the abused women go back to their abusers when given the slightest chance and end up turning on this guy trying to play captain save a hoe.

>> No.17906483

>>17906428
oops
>>17906432
chad dramatist, aristotle would be proud

>> No.17906533

>>17906432
This actually happened, during trial, and would be part of the story as an of hand reference to an event that had happened in the past
>>17906334
I dunno much about how the women view this besides being on a race to act as impossibily retarded as possible
My role in the real story has been as defender of the crazy rapists

>> No.17906581

>>17906533
Oh are you the other lawyer anon?

>> No.17906600

>>17906581
There's others?
I remember having a conversation with another anon about libel in burgerstan but that wasn't in a writing thread

>> No.17906624

>>17906600
From the law threads there's roughly six or so lawyers I've counted. One of the RR authors was a law student. I'm burgerpunk anon and I'm a lawyer.

>> No.17906632

>>17906624
More like burgerbutt

>> No.17906634
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>>17906632
:(

>> No.17906686

>>17906624
There's 7 of us and a student just in lit?!
We should go for /L/
Better than all the garbage boards we've been getting recently

>> No.17906716

People that studied law are obsessed with telling everyone that they studied law.

>> No.17906723

>>17906716
What did you study anon

I studied how to buy and sell airplanes

>> No.17906731

>>17906723
Not that anon, but I studied law.

>> No.17906783

>>17906723
What, really?

>> No.17906928

>>17906783
Yeah, they give out degrees for anything these days. Is just a specific subset of asset finance.

>> No.17907068

>>17906928
Sounds interesting, is all, the myriad education specialisations that are possible out there in the world. There's hardly any aerospace industry where I'm from. And anyway most people tend to take something more general and then learn the industry ropes on the job,

>like my friend who buys and sells buses

>> No.17907736

sometimes disgusted by how saccharine my writing can be

guess pulitzer finalists do it sometimes so i'll just see what people think

fighting the impulse to edit myself

>> No.17907821

>>17907736
Yeah, just the fact that you used the word "saccharine" betrays it

>> No.17907827

hey lit, I'm having a problem and I was wondering if anyone had any idea how to fix this.

I feel like my writing is just not dense enough. For example, I have a confrontation between two characters that has been building up for 40ish pages. Not a huge deal, but I feel like it should be bigger than the two pages it ended up being. I don't know the problem. I don't know if I'm missing detail, I honestly have no idea what is missing. Any help?

>> No.17907843

>Want to write a story from the perspective of a non-human creature
>No idea how to write it without just being 'human but with gimmick' which doesn't translate when doing it in their POV
Gonna have to put their fairy idea on the backburning and go back to writing about introverted girls who are dead inside and just wish the world would end their life.

>> No.17907860

>>17907827
loaded question. suspecting there to be a problem is not evidence of a problem. from another person's perspective two pages might be way too much. this seems more like a question intended for a beta reader.

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17907891

Posting this in case anyone knows Spanish
1/3

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>>17907891
2/3

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>>17907903
3/3

>> No.17907987

>>17907891
being a graduate of the american education system, it is easy for me to translate.

>the big sleepers by mack313

>"wait here, my little mommy,, my tiny necessity: the giant shrimp of the earth. they take a few footsteps spilling food from their mouths. Hollering the slogan they piss and walk on the roster of the planet from from which they hail. Calling this world ten million years before we lived there their ancho chiles for a time. When the big god hand of our first ancestors on earth, circled the tiny basque man that told him for his manner of walking unmolested was near..."

>> No.17908312

>>17907987
Kek

>> No.17908433

Does a fantasy novel HAVE to evolve the genre or can it be good enough on prose alone?

>> No.17908438

>>17908433
Being good is good enough.

>> No.17908451

>>17908438
I'm sure many would disagree but I appreciate hearing this. I am nowhere near where I want to be but I will get there even if I die penniless.

>> No.17908469

>>17908433
Nothing "HAS" to do anything, there is no formula

>> No.17908479

>>17908433
>evolve the genre
A fantasy novel needs to be fun to read. That's it. If it happens to break new ground on top of that, great. If it breaks new ground but it sucks, its garbage.

>> No.17908508

>>17908433
Write what you want to read.

>> No.17908516

>>17908479
>A fantasy novel needs to be fun to read
that's a pretty massive step forward for fantasy and im not sure fans are ready for it yet

>> No.17908574

>>17908479
>>17908516
Honestly true, if you know how to make a story not just engaging but fun you are providing a service that is barely even being considered by 95% of published fantasy writers.

>> No.17908767

>>17908508
I want to read something that is beyond my skill to write.

>> No.17908808

I guess I kinda want to start writing.
Is royal road a decent site for experimentation? I've started a sort of loose anthology of a few characters to just experiment with writing and trying to get back in the groove of things. Just want some feedback though to see if I'm working in the right directions or if I'm lacking in areas.

>> No.17908851

I'm going to start doing major editing rewrites tonight. Never had a finished draft before so this is a first - I've only ever done copy editing for my short stories.

>> No.17908875

>>17904729
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4qn9ii
Already been done

>> No.17908928

>>17905342
Welp, we've finally reached that point. /wg/ has collapsed into itself. We've gone from people asking how to quickly get famous in the writing world to people asking how to become notable in the world of /wg/. I'm going to start a /wgg/ in the catalog, for discussions of discussions of the writing craft. Popular topics will include how to be snarkier in your critique, how to camp the thread so you can stop someone else from choosing the OP image, and workshopping /wg/-related copypastas.

This project needs a bit more thought before it'll be ready for launch. I invite you all to contribute. Anyone who is interested should register a trip in this thread, and make sure to put /wgg/ in the name field so we know you're here for the writing general general discussion.

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>>17904722
This is an opening I kind of want to pursue. It is my first time ever trying my hand at writing, tell me how I can improve.

>> No.17908972

>>17908953
You aren't worth the effort

>> No.17909029

>>17908953
Stop trying so hard. It comes off as pretentious and flows like a turd after a 6 pack of donuts.

>> No.17909058

>>17908953
Slightly pretentious but I like it because it's triggering these snowflakes.

>> No.17909085

>>17909058
>I dont like something because of its merit. I like it because someone out there dislikes it.
You're retarded.

>> No.17909104

>>17909085
You need to remember where you are, boomer.

>> No.17909224

>>17909058
How would I best go about making it less so?

>> No.17909236

>>17904722
Everytime I post the amazon link to my book, people here just troll me, so you can all get lost

>> No.17909249

A firework shrieked from Hahn’s mortar straight for Mother. She moved quickly, avoiding the blast just enough for the embers not to set her pale flammable skin alight. She let herself fall away down the side of the wall and began to run across horizontally in defiance gravity. Her hair and dress sagged towards the ground as her feet slapped the dockyard stone.

The old man knelt precariously on the edge of the wall. He fired his last firework.

Mother leapt away from the wall, somersaulting weightlessly and avoiding the firework’s raging blast. She landed with her feet touching the wall, turned on her heel and sprang back up, soaring for an instant, then lowering down to face the old man.

His prosthetic right arm splintered beneath her grip. Up close now she saw the fear in his aged eyes. She grinned from ear to ear with her fangs at full length. The old man made one last desperate bid to escape. Mother had no intention of letting him, but she hadn’t expected him to pull a small lever attached to his prosthetic arm which detached from the shoulder strap keeping it in place. Mother fought the urge to howl with laughter at the sight of the old man trying to run backwards without falling. He landed hard on his backside.

“What a novel toy!” said Mother, holding the prosthetic arm and waving it back at the old man. Her smile soured. She had planned to make his death slow and painful, but she couldn’t leave her daughters on their own for too long.

Then, Mother saw something she hadn’t noticed before. There was a cord, like piano wire, reaching from the shoulder end of the prosthetic to the old man’s strap attached to his shoulder. When the old man had taken several strides backwards she had heard an odd zip but thought little of it. Now she saw her mistake. She attempted to throw away the prosthetic arm, but it was too late. The old man pulled hard on the cord and another zipping sound followed.

Earlier in the day Hahn had spoken with the now deceased pyrotechnist to create this last-ditch trump card. The prosthetic arm was filled to the brim with firework powder, and the cord was attached to a piece of metal that would spark and set the whole thing alight when the cord was pulled hard enough. Hahn had feared the prosthetic had gotten too wet on the outside for the spark to catch.

The resulting explosion was the largest yet. Mother burst into flames and was eviscerated completely.

Hahn sat on the wet stone breathing raggedly. He smiled and sank back, panting and looking up at the night sky. Spitting rain tickled his face. He wanted to lay there forever and enjoy the moment, but he wasn’t a young man anymore. If he stayed out in the elements for much longer he would catch his death. And there was still Hress to worry about.

>> No.17909272

>>17908953
First, let me say congratulations: I am very talented at critique and I have decided to indulge you with a few minutes of my precious time. You are very fortunate that I will be doing your first critique. I actually specialize in intros!

Your selection is incredibly pretentious and awkwardly structured at the beginning. If this was intended to be a story, I have no clue because, as of the end of this selection, nothing is happening. The fact that nothing is happening and it's not happening to anyone provokes a lot of questions, and not in the good "what does it all mean" kind of way, but in the "is english your first language" kind of way. Like I literally cannot comprehend what you are saying. Are the demons and hell metaphorical? Or does our narrator actually physically travel there in his sleep?

You obviously have a lot of big ideas, but you haven't earned the reader's trust enough to start laying them on. I believe this is meant to be an introspective/philosophical novel. What I advise is that your narrator make himself vulnerable to the reader right away. He can do this by revealing something very personal and embarrassing about himself. You really can't go wrong there, it will provoke sympathy in the kindhearted and curiosity in the cruel. Like he doesn't need to shit his pants in the first line, but your narrator's flaws should make themselves apparent through inappropriate behavior which results in a negative outcome which he is unable to rationalize away as the result of something other than his own personal shortcomings. This can be expressed in a memory or flashback immediately following the hands thing (that statement was incredibly weird and has a lot of potential for becoming the basis of shameful behaviors), so that way you can keep the intro you have now while still gaining and holding the reader's attention.

Aside from that, you demonstrate good instincts. You didn't feel compelled to spill forth your character's physical description, you didn't launch into a description of their life story and morning routine, and you show surprisingly good use of rhythm in your sentence composition. Starting with the "Aggrandizement" line, the sentences begin gradually whittling themselves down. The sentences reach their minimal length at the "proof of concept" line, and begin widening back up. You start with a personal thought, which swaps at the "proof of concept" line into broader, more general observations about humanity in general. Obviously this is not a precise measure of word count in your sentences, more like a general outline of the structure. This concept could be tightened and more fully utilized to lead the writer along your train of thought: personal statements of descending length, switchover at the shortest sentence, broad generalizations of ascending length.

I believe you will develop great talent if you keep working and studying the craft.

>> No.17909296

>>17909224
Another anon gave you an in-depth review which seems fine. I would recommend looking at the block of text and making it less like a block of text. The page is your canvas.

Use it.

>> No.17909506

What is the BEST method to monetize my novel and let it be seen by as many as possible?
Give it to be straight /lit/

>> No.17909516

>>17909506
Trad publishing.

>> No.17909602

>>17909272
>First, let me say congratulations: I am very talented at critique and I have decided to indulge you with a few minutes of my precious time. You are very fortunate that I will be doing your first critique.
/wg/ makes me laugh sometimes
based conceited effort poster

>> No.17909713

Any specific fetishes I should include in my erotic novel if I want wine aunts to buy it and shill to all her friends?

>> No.17909736

>>17909713
Refer to 50 shades

>> No.17909749

>>17909713
Cuckolding

>> No.17909797

>>17909713
Older women want to feel young and desired. Note that Edward Cullen had the power to permanently affix these traits to Bella, and that Christian Gray more or less treated Anastasia like she were an individual who was incapable of making decisions, while also fulfilling a young child's idea of what a parent is (disciplinary figure who periodically makes irrational decisions, and who possesses unlimited resources).

So ultimately vanilla sex is fine if you can find some way to make a woman feel like all responsibility for making decisions has been forcibly taken away from her, and the person who does it has a shitload of money or other resources.

>> No.17909812

>>17904722
every time i get downone paragraph, I just get lazy all the sudden and start wait for the next day.

Is this normal.

>> No.17909837

>>17909812
Do you get distracted by things around you? Productivity is as much will power as it is having the correct environment that allows a flow state.

>> No.17909844

I feel like people focus too much on novels when most people here will never finish one

>> No.17909862

>>17909844
>isn't obsessed with his goals
ngmi

>> No.17909911

>>17909844
I had an acquaintance tell me that I've basically written two and a half worth of books already (at 251k words) even though it's more or less still the 1st volume. But if I choose to do so I can split them as such since there happen to be good book-stopping points at some points which I didn't think about at the time. In a way, I've already finished two already and working on the third one.

>> No.17910096

>>17909844
Even that's a step above the people who pop in to ask if they can compile a set of short stories and send it off to a publisher.

>> No.17910138

>>17904893
6 from 45k to 105k plus some novellas and shorts

>> No.17910157

>>17904893
I have completed one manuscript at 120,000 words. I doubt it will ever see the light of day, which blows because I had a tremendous amount of faith in my story and my message. But it was really my first attempt at writing something of that length, I was constantly trying to incorporate every single piece of advice I encountered during the drafting stage, and to top it all off I committed almost every major beginner's mistake (hmm... perhaps I should include several rambling, pointless scenes of the characters going about their day-to-day lives. exploring such depths of the human experience can only enrich the narrative by providing a sense of realism to my characters... it's incredibly tedious to write but I'm sure it'll be fun to read) so the whole thing came out looking bloated and confused in purpose and execution.

>> No.17910163

>>17905922
Use typelit.io, read Donald Maass books, and write flash fiction a couple times a week

>> No.17910165

>>17910138
Nice job Anon. How much money have you made?

>> No.17910166

>>17904722
behead vtubers and their simpathizers

>> No.17910175

>>17907843
There’s a good story that does this in the latest Apex issue that you can read for free

>> No.17910190

>>17910163
>typelit.io
Sometimes I like to veg and just do typing trainers
Seems fun, thanks anon

>> No.17910197

>>17910165
Not sure exactly, maybe 40k

>> No.17910381

>>17910197
Is this from traditional publishing or self publishing on amazon? If so is that from smut or non smut? If non smut, is it genre? Have you had to grow your personal brand for it or have you just kept to basically an amazon page without having to shill out on twitter under your real name?

>> No.17910466

>writing the last few scenes of my story
>cry
is this what making it feels like

>> No.17910479

>>17910466
You haven't gotten it published yet though

>> No.17910526

>you haven't published it before you've written it
what did he mean by this

>> No.17910533

>>17910526
ngmi

>> No.17910573

>>17910526
You haven't made it until you've made it. Anyone can write. Only 2% of people who finish their manuscripts get published. The odds are against you. Stop gloating until you've made it through the Great Fitler.

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>>17909272
>>17908953

I made some updates, what do you think?

>> No.17910580

>>17910573
>Fitler
I failed. Now I'm NGMI

>> No.17910595

>>17910573
>Anyone can write.
There's a certain subculture that can't but I'll leave it at that.

>> No.17910606

>>17910573
It's ok. I'm a white male, so if I don't get published, I have an excuse at the ready.

>> No.17910683

>>17910576
>>17909272
>>17909602


Another edit.

The effort you put in is admirable, I truly appreciate it.

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>>17910683
Forgot to attach the edit

>> No.17910698

>>17904893
Yes
4
Averaging 100k

They suck dogshit but were essential practice to get where I am today

>> No.17910757

>>17910606
>sarcastically pretending that there hasn't been bias against white men in the arts for at least 10 years at this point
It's a fucking fact that you have a lower bar to meet if you're part of any population group but white men. Companies literally admit this, in fact they openly advertise it. The trick is to put yourself into a special snowflake category that doesn't actually require you to prove anything, such as "Masculine presenting queer asexual lesbian" or something.

>> No.17910765

>>17910757
Or just continue proving how great white men are by chugging out quality work.

>> No.17910778

>>17910757
Where did you get the impression that I wasn't serious?

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>>17904722
Hey wazzup my bros, this thread is totally lit! xD(Smiley face, tears in pinched laughing eyes, and holding up an okay sign with gloved hand)!!!

YOOOO wazzup peeps, my dudes and dudettes, guess who just published a new chapter in the super cool, you really want to read and review, publication of awesomeness, that is totes availiable for free on fictionpress, so you can read! For everyone to read YES!

I mean, you're so cool and mysterious, like a sexy witch or darklord. You should like totally read and review my books and stuff! You're such a complicated person, so smart and well-read!

Just do it. Oh! It will be such an honour for me, you know, it is a HUGE honor for me to have YOUR REVIEW!!!! on my bookzies. bruh.

FICTIONPRESS -> SEARCH -> SYNTH PILL

I am currently writing the sequal on my first book ever yo. I'm pretty stoked about it soon being finished.

OH! you know what you should do!? You should like totally read my new chapter and shiet! Chapter 20 is called VAPORWAVE MALL? Yeah, you into that shit? That sum of that good good!

Here, have my poem:

Colorful clothes in pink and teal
Sun in the sky shining bold
At night neon lights up the Ferris-wheel
Such were the seasons of gold

As the sea mirrors moon from above
By the beach the campfire dances
There on the beach we first made love
City noise said we took our chances

Dead are the malls we used to enter
The Ferris-wheel removed from it's coast
Yet I am still around to remember
Golden seasons of pink and teal clothes
----
OOOOH you can't brushie the dog against it hairs!

>> No.17910828

someone typed all that

>> No.17910856

>>17910828
it's not even clever
that time and effort could've been used on writing

>> No.17910914

>>17910828
it's so bad I nearly literally puked

>> No.17910941

>>17904722
Writing a fixfic for Franxx that got too big. It is separated into three parts. I worked on this structure for years.

Part 1, the surface:
Heavy rewrote of the first half of Franxx that includes face to face encounters with the small owl guy, who has a much bigger and depressing role in the story.
Papa is humanity's leader and he's actually what you can describe as a perfect human. His first appearance has him in a mystical garden, which he personally grew, as he gently sings to himself. Overtime, you see how emotional he gets. For example. In one scene, he shows 02 a ring of his deceased loved-one, pretending that the ring itself hold no meaning. As 02 snatches it with clear intentions of breaking it, Papa yanks her off the grounds then proceeds to choke her in front of the children.
A top Beyonder soldier (VIRM are heavily reworked into a new race) is the final threat of this part. His race isn't revealed, but it's clear that Papa, the Vice, and the small owl guy consider him a 'filthy traitor'.
Part 2, underground horror:
001 makes her first action appearance. The small owl guy's death has an impact for Papa and a new APE member. Once the gang goes underground with the Nines. 001 kills Goro and puts Zeta, nine alpha's partner, into a state of insanity. Alpha and Ichigo pair up on account for Ichigo sacrificing her humanity in order to do so, seeing this as her necessary sacrifice for humanity and indirectly causing Goro's death. Nine Alpha becomes very curious about 001. He believes that in 001's memories, he was seeing Papa in ancient times holding 001's hands, which are white for some reason.
The newly introduced APE member is revealed to be Hachi and Nana's friend, whom they don't recognized, in the parasite days, meaning that she is the first parasite to become an APE member.
Papa takes off his mask. He is a human man with a strangely young appearance and voice. This happens because he doesn't want the Nines to die before seeing who he actually is. Plus, Hiro flat out doubts Papa's humanity until he takes off his mask.
001 will be revealed as the mysterious woman that watched over 02 secretly in the flashback episode, which happens upon her defeat with her created daughter in the Apus (name might change).
Part 2 ends in a insane ending battle where Papa fights to the death with Hiro and 02. The fight progresses from a giant mecha fight to a person-size chase scene within the broken down Apus. Papa uncovers his mechanical wings that pretty much work like Hawk's quirk from MHA (I love that fucking power), which makes him look more angelic.
The final fight ends with Papa being violently thrown out of the Apus by 001 on the last of her strength. Papa retreats with the nines, but Nine Alpha rebels against Papa's orders and stays behind with Ichigo.
Part 3, war between Gods and Mortals:
001 is given mechanical help from the two remaining APE members.
001 demands to see 02 and askes her about the picture book-

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59k words reached.

>> No.17910961

>>17910948
nice, you can hit 60k before bed

>> No.17910962

>>17910948
This is it..If I take one more step...

>> No.17910973

>>17910961
It's 10 AM so I definitely will.

>> No.17911003

>>17910794
Is this Nigger speak?
>>17910157
Just write the material you think is the core of the story and its plot. There is no need for scenes without a future or clear purpose.
I actually find it surprising that pointless scenes can be made so carelessly when stories usually focus on a specific goal in mind. Even comedies follow a tight story structure to make the jokes flow, whether simple or complex.
You can separate huge chunks of the story into huge sections if needed, especially if they are long enough to be a book in itself.

>> No.17911046

I wish we had the pol anon system. I would interested in identifying each anon from the rest without resorting to namefagging. It would made things easier for conversation.

>> No.17911048

>>17911046
^make.
I'm sleepy.

>> No.17911074

>>17904722
Finished my first book last year. Finally got to submitting it. 2 rejections so far. I am 20 years old. I took too long of a hiatus from writing but I just bought a new notebook today and numbered the pages. I feel my second book coming on.

>> No.17911077

>>17911074
How difficult was it?

>> No.17911080

>>17911074
>finishing a book at 20
God fucking dammit why did I waste my life?

>> No.17911084

>>17911046
I don’t want this, then I couldn’t pretend to be three different people

>> No.17911085
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>>17904893
>>Have you actually ever completed a novel?
a draft
>>If so, how many?
1
>>Word count of each?
42k

>> No.17911087

>>17911080
I spent three years drafting a big fanfiction. Who wasted their life the hardest?

>> No.17911090

>>17911087
Me, I'm 28 and will probably be 29 before I get my first book published if anyone ever accepts it

>> No.17911091 [DELETED] 

>>17911084
You fucking nigger.

>> No.17911094

>>17911077
Not too difficult. I wrote 500 words a day for a few months and ended up with about 65,000. I also wrote it to be something people would have fun reading and not trying to be too fancy or intellectual-sounding.
>>17911080
Don't be down on yourself anon, it's never too late to start. It helped that I was going through a shitty year while I wrote it, so it was my sweet escape. Just write something you would like to read. Who cares if it even gets published or not?

>> No.17911096

>>17911046
namefagging has never been a good idea, for countless reasons. if you want that you might as well go hang on reddit.

>>17911087
I wrote fanfiction, what's wrong with that? It's good practice. And for all anyone talks shit about fanfiction, they'd give their right arms to be Cassandra Clare or Naomi Novik.

>> No.17911099

>>17911080
You're still alive? You can still accomplish. Most people amount to relatively nothing, Anon. How many people do you know irl that have written a book?
You can choose mastery, now get to work.

>> No.17911102

>>17911094
>I also wrote it to be something people would have fun reading and not trying to be too fancy or intellectual-sounding.
I tend to land onto the latter naturally. I don't have woke nonsense, but damn I get too realistic and theoretical in my work.

>> No.17911125

>>17911096
>namefagging has never been a good idea, for countless reasons. if you want that you might as well go hang on reddit.
Yeah, but these boards sure aren't applying the solutions we already found. It's weird that 4chan is outdated by its own standards. Seriously, why haven't we used the pol id system here or other boards?
>I wrote fanfiction, what's wrong with that?
Nothing. It's just I really hated Franxx. hated the anime so much, I said to myself, "fuck it, I can do it better."
Later on, I started to realize that a show like Franxx should've been made and be written for European men. You have the show's best qualities be tied to European culture. Then, all these strengths got bastardized by nip culture or pure idiocy.

>> No.17911140

>>17911102
Just don't think about it too hard. Save that for the editing. And when you edit, cut stuff. Make it easy to read. People have short attention spans nowadays

>> No.17911167

>>17911140
>People have short attention spans nowadays
That's literally by our society's design. We shouldn't favor the tasteless because it contributes to the poison. Allow minds to open and expand like the books of old. It's literally the purpose of them. The books we have now lack any sense of realism or honesty that grounds the world together, pushing every subject to the very idealism that leads into Brazil. Besides, those short eaters aren't going to survive the silver squeeze. Let's be realistic.

>> No.17911177

>>17911167
All I can say is my beta readers/listeners praised it for being engaging and not pretentious

>> No.17911185

>>17911177
What makes a book pretentious?

>> No.17911195

>>17911125
>why haven't we used the pol id system here or other boards?
because it's the same as namefagging and it's not as important on a mongolian rug knitting hobby board as it is elsewhere

I do understand the want for author interaction, so I only namefag when I am posting stories and replying to feedback. There's no point leaving it on otherwise, and I've seen the consequences of doing so firsthand, so.... yeah, nah.

>> No.17911196

>>17911185
To me it's when I can tell the author is trying to show off how well he or she can write instead of just delivering the product

>> No.17911206

>>17911185
>pretentious
>Intended to impress others; ostentatious. Her dress was obviously more pretentious than comfortable.
>Marked by an unwarranted claim to importance or distinction

When a book claims to be more important than it really is. E.g. The Secret, a self-help book which promises to hold THE, T H E, T-H-E secret, but turns out to be basically a rehash of "i think i can i think i can"

>> No.17911209

>>17911196
Christ. That sounds so ***ish.
I have to talk about stuff like genocide and the subversion of religion within my story because they are important pieces. I wonder if pretentious is done because they want their fictional and subversive ideas to be taken seriously. Not out of ego, but of malicious intent.

>> No.17911211

>>17911167
I didn’t understand the words in this post

>> No.17911212

>>17904722
>Are the themes of time, space, infinity, memory or pointless dueling present in your work?
WHERE HAS THIS LINE GONE?! THIS WAS MY FAVOURITE PART OF THESE THREADS. Many anons complained about it because they did not get the allusion and therefore missed the joke. But fuck them. I want it back.

>> No.17911217

>>17911211
I am saying that the new audience are likely too stupid to survive. Therefore, they aren't worth the consideration.

>> No.17911218

desu I tell and don't show.

>> No.17911224

>>17911206
>The Secret, a self-help book which promises to hold THE, T H E, T-H-E secret, but turns out to be basically a rehash of "i think i can i think i can"
That sounds like the piece of literature is made with ulterior motives in mind. That message is very consumeristic in my opinion.

>> No.17911228

>>17911218
?
>>17911195
>There's no point leaving it on otherwise, and I've seen the consequences of doing so firsthand, so.... yeah, nah.
What kind of consequences?

>> No.17911235

>>17911224
It's just shallow bullshit that got picked up, probably cause the author sucked off Oprah or something

>>17911228
>consequences
All manner of namefag thread drama

>> No.17911238

>>17911125
>why haven't we used the pol id system here or other boards?
because I don't give a fuck who you are
fuck off with your dumb ego shit
we're here for literature and writing, not identity orgasms
take your trip off

>> No.17911262

First it was the weebs, now it's the namefags. Why won't they leave us alone? I'm just trying to write my stories...

>> No.17911280

>>17911262
Because if you're posting you're not writing
Being on /wg/ at all is a sign of being a ngmi

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>>17911238
>>17911262
The defence rests.

>> No.17911298

>>17911280
>Because if you're posting you're not writing
Technically, if you're posting you are writing.

>> No.17911304

>>17911262
What are you writing about?

>> No.17911305

>>17911280
>>17911298
How did we end up in this mindfuck of a paradox?

>> No.17911322

>>17911304
I don't want to say desu, you might steal my idea. What an intrusive question. Please, respect my privacy.

Just leave the general, clearly you're unwanted. Perhaps you should post in /awg/? Anime writing general with the other amateurs.

>> No.17911334

>51 unique posters
>1 namefag
to not question why this is the case could be attributed to laziness or idiocy, but to ignore the advice to stop is nothing other than self absorption
reddit
discord
anywhere but here

>> No.17911364

desu, don't use "suddenly".

>> No.17911372

>>17911364
I’ll do what I want

>> No.17911385

>>17911364
Anon was stricken by a dire case of suddenly-shits-himselfitis, browning his pants and staining his dignity

>> No.17911389

>>17911372
>"I’ll do what I want" said the Anon. After receiving his 6th rejection email, he was frustrated and needed someone to take it out on. Suddenly, he didn't make it and he died.

The End.

>> No.17911399

>>17911322
>I don't want to say desu, you might steal my idea. What an intrusive question. Please, respect my privacy.
>Just leave the general, clearly you're unwanted. Perhaps you should post in /awg/? Anime writing general with the other amateurs.
You talk like a weeb. You complain about your stories, yet are too afraid to show them because 'idea theft' and privacy. However, I come here revealing my work, asking questions on how to handle stories, and discussing my theories over literature. I am not asking much from anyone, but that is stupidly snobby from you. All I just want is material to look into and discuss.
Also, why would I go on that board when this is my thought process? >>17911125
>>17911334
The matter of convivence is too hard for a normie to understand. Look above, that's exactly why I do this.

>> No.17911408

>>17911389
Rip

>> No.17911413

>>17910757
>vast vast majority of authors are white men
>b-but the system hates us!
OK.

>> No.17911415

>>17911364
Don't use adverbs period, it always ends poorly.

>> No.17911421

>>17911399
NOT WANTED
how do you not parse this
we don't act like how you act here
it doesn't matter that you disagree with the 50 other posters and every past /wg/ thread
you are not wanted
pick up the etiquette or go away

>> No.17911427

>>17911399
Stupid namefag.

>> No.17911430

>>17911399
>All I just want is material to look into and discuss.
Everyone is
And we do so without forcibly injecting our own identity into the discussion
We're not here for what you or anyone has to say, but the discussion itself
Fuck off

>> No.17911440

What's a better way to say "Right back at you"?
Tried googling for this but I'm not even sure how to search for it correctly, but basically:

Person A: "You're a doodoo head and smell of poop"
Person B: "Oh yeah? Well right back at'cha!"

but not so childish sounding, of couse

>> No.17911446

>>17911440
I'm rubber, you're glue; whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

>> No.17911448

>>17911415
Hmm

>> No.17911450

>>17911440
I like “at’cha”

There’s the idiom “pot calling the kettle black” or “pot meet kettle”

>> No.17911452

>>17911440
Have Person B be so incredibly cool and awesome that it doesn't actually matter what B says.

>> No.17911457

>>17911421
Are you seriously suggesting that literally all of them are somehow on your side? This is literally the retarded reddit and discord mentality.
We are not friends. We don't know jack shit about each other and will never know jack shit about each other. I don't care if you know about me, all I want is general literature shit and having fun. This is 4chan, unlike many other sites, we will never be friends. Embrace that.

>> No.17911463

>>17911452
>a non acknowledgement because of higher priorities
>implies that because of Person A's concerns they aren't elevated to such a degree and as such are the doodoo head
based ignore fetish poster

>> No.17911464

>>17911446
hahahahaha damn bro, you could trounce all the schoolyard kiddies with that one

>>17911450
>>17911452
literally after posting did I hit upon the incredibly obvious "I could say the same/The sentiment is mutual/" response, thanks anyways

>> No.17911473

>>17911457
>we won't have an interpersonal connection
>but I will ascribe a character to my actions for everyone to form an opinion on
>I have the option to retain anonymity and prevent this, protecting the purity of discussion
>but I won't because daddy didn't hug me enough and I desperately need attention
drop the trip

>> No.17911476

The only person I would be okay with namefagging is the conceited critique poster

>> No.17911486

>>17911046
>>17911125
>>17911228
>>17911304
>>17911305
Go home franx. Return to pol.

>> No.17911493

>>17911440
Speak for yourself.
Get a taste of yourself.
I am your reflection.
Self-projecting much?
You wish I was anything like you.

>> No.17911502

>another self obsessed schizo has joined the thread
/wg/ was probably hurting my productivity anyways
It was fun but we were already at nearly 60% shitposts and beginner blogs to actual discussion

>> No.17911504

>>17911473
>>we won't have an interpersonal connection
>>but I will ascribe a character to my actions for everyone to form an opinion on
>>I have the option to retain anonymity and prevent this, protecting the purity of discussion
>>but I won't because daddy didn't hug me enough and I desperately need attention
Nigger.

>> No.17911586

>>17904722
I am having some trouble with the character transitions nearing the end of the second act. It's always seemed to me that manufacturing and posturing towards an inevitable event is an excessive propagation of the cliche of linear action. It's idle. Greater still is my staunch dismissal to lend letters to unforeseeable conclusions of storylines outside of the transient discontinuations of perennial cyclicality when otherwise the entirety of the intrepid subject-object would remain as an extolled gerund of living and therefore germane to the process of being -- and naturally nonexistent when without. This impending reality coupled with the evocation of the most proximal relationship between the burgeoning cluster of thoughts and the shared world-dialectic while maintaining a refined, tacit inclusion of a momentous, mutual infinite series and sets of impressions gleaned (and twice-trodden patterns unconcealed) is proving to be an intractable vexation when relating to the expansion of a restrictive and shrinking corral of the horizon. I'm thinking about moving in a different direction but as of now am unsure about linking uneternalistic movements at all. The genre isn't currently suitable with the advancements in deep-sea expeditionary power and the integration of rapid data streams but it works on the same assumptions.

>> No.17911587

>>17911502
>It was fun but we were already at nearly 60% shitposts and beginner blogs to actual discussion
Ironically, it's mainly because we don't know which poster is who.
We don't need names, just rng tags so we don't have to go "well, I'm actually THIS ANON."
It's cute in the start, but then it gets increasingly grating because it keeps happening in the same damn thread. What do you expect from a thread system that is too anonymous and a culture that gets too pissy over random names and literal rng tags that are programmed to be thread exclusive and gibberish.
If you can't bother with basic conveniences, the contributing posters will be inclined to fuck off and the shit posters will have a field day doing any kind of bullshit. I find it too structure less for any legit creative threads to thrive, especially when the progression of creative materials are supposed to be discussed.

>> No.17911592

>>17911586
I didn’t understand the words in this post

>> No.17911593

>>17911476
FYI, there's more than one of us offering good crit on these threads, and if you can't appreciate the value of good crit... what can I say? NGMI

>> No.17911598

>>17911125
>It's weird that 4chan is outdated by its own standards.
No it isn't.

>Seriously, why haven't we used the pol id system here or other boards?
Because most people don't want that and it would defeat the whole purpose of an anonymous imageboard. If you want something else then go somewhere else. Not that anon but he's right, you might as well go to reddit.

>> No.17911601

>>17911593
I do like his posts, didnt mean to imply otherwise

>> No.17911608

>>17911587
you don't have any comprehension of the merit of anonymity
begone

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>>17911592
Yes, but what about the IMAGES?

>> No.17911629

>>17911586
I sincerely hope the person behind this gets to write the dialogue of nerd characters. (Just imagine it.) Hell, I would want him involved with my stuff because I actually do have a character that exactly talks like this. If he is still around here, I would like to ask for some advice on how to create this kind of wacky dialogue.

>> No.17911635

>>17904722
If I may, I'd like to suggest reading material related to the art of writing for /wg/.
For (mythic) story structure:
>The Writer's Journey by Vogler
>The Hero with a Thousand Faces by Campbell
>The Modern Alchemist by Richard & Iona Miller

>> No.17911636

>>17911593
crits are actually one of the threads best points
for every 1 shit crit there're 4 anons who have given good ones

>> No.17911646

>>17911587
>>17911587
>I find it too structure less for any legit creative threads to thrive
Yet /wg/ still has quality posts regularly
What is your problem. Why are namefags always so deluded and self centered
Do you see anyone, at any point, in any /wg/ thread, ever, even fucking once, complain about there not being enough ways to identify anons? About wanting to be able to tell who's who?
There are plenty of platforms that cater to what you want, you don't have to make excuses and try to find a place here

>> No.17911649

>>17911636
Yeah, that's why I'm here. Cuz I saw there's actually SOME useful advice being thrown around. So I found it strange that some of those posts are being described as "conceited critique".

>>17911601
Oh. Right. Sorry.

>> No.17911654

>>17911649
conceited crit anon is an anon who specifically prefaced their crit with the claim that they're hot shit and all around a big deal
its not an insult at all
hate to say it since you seem more mentally stable than the average crossboarder but lurk more
the thread has a surprising density of memes. probably because being drawn to writing implies personality issues which are easy to make fun of

>> No.17911659

>>17911654
>lurk moar
I will. Do point out CC anon next time anon appears.

>> No.17911667

>>17911659
He’s here >>17909272

>> No.17911672

>>17911667
Oh. Fuck me is he full of himself. (Or herself.)

I thought anon was talking about some other posts which basically bitched about the negative criticism they got.

>> No.17911681

>>17911598
>Not that anon but he's right, you might as well go to reddit.
No bitch. Reddit works with profiles, character icons, some gay point system, and is highly interconnected with the threads. With pol's system, every thread exist within its own universe and hardly ever interconnects with other threads, unless it's about lucky numbers, based post, or specific events being referenced. It's very constructive and enjoyable to use.
Your ideas are incredibly in-experienced and highly flawed. Hell, even this phrase
>Because most people don't want that and it would defeat the whole purpose of an anonymous imageboard.
is wrong. Pol is the most popular board on the site and they don't ever complain about the tag system. They love using it to identity each anon on the thread (by their post on said thread) and discuss serious or hilarious topics. After the thread is over, everything restarts.

>> No.17911692

>>17911672
>(Or herself.)
don't feel the need to go through identity gymnastics
the whole point of an anonymous board is to remove that dumb bullshit and focus solely on the topics at hand
and there's a tax on double linebreaks for the same reason your writing shouldn't be nonstop double line breaks for dialogue, it's ugly as fuck. stop using them so flagrantly
newfriend, you better give someone a high effort critique in exchange for me spoon feeding you

>> No.17911695

>>17911681
>they
>them
>pol
then go back
look at how many people are telling you to stop
dumbass namefag

>> No.17911700

>>17911629
Stop tripfagging here, fucking retard. You sound mentally defective.

>> No.17911702

>>17911692
>the whole point of an anonymous board is to remove that dumb bullshit and focus solely on the topics at hand

fair

>tax on double linebreaks

fuck off

>> No.17911707

>>17911681
Shut the fuck up

>> No.17911709

>>17911702
bro do you see how unaesthetic it is
if everyone were so invested in double line breaking every single statement it'd be an absolute dumpster
there's a reason good authors interspace dialogue with descriptions, dialogue tags and action beats. it's just easier on the eyes to save them for separating topics

c'mon anon i'm trying to take you in good faith. don't be a fag

>> No.17911728

>>17911587
>too anonymous
I find it hard to believe that anyone would come to a forum to criticise it's only defining feature. It is supposed to be completely anonymous. There are plenty of places you can go for non-anonymous writing discussion.

>I find it too structure less
then go

>> No.17911729

What be the meaning of this thine threadfaggotry. Tis but a blight unto the eyes and a stench unto the nostrils. Verily I say unto thee, faggots, cease this unproductive brawling forthwith and hearken thou my words: JUST - WRITE!

>> No.17911734

>>17911681
Sorry, I responded before I realised that you're retarded. My bad.

>> No.17911738
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>>17911729
You speak eloquently, Imam and you have captured my heart and soul
But I have a duty, no, a Mahomet gifted directive, to shun and bully all namefags, for it is the only path to a halaal thread
Still, I will write, for your words have struck well and true

>> No.17911754

>>17910576
This is far superior. Concise, clear, and provokes curiosity. Interesting observation in the third sentence. You may very well make it yet anon.

>> No.17911758

>>17911646
>Do you see anyone, at any point, in any /wg/ thread, ever, even fucking once, complain about there not being enough ways to identify anons? About wanting to be able to tell who's who?
>There are plenty of platforms that cater to what you want, you don't have to make excuses and try to find a place here
I wonder it's because you guys challenge and bully down on people for complaining about that then threaten them like shitskins that abuse the fact they have so many numbers, even though they are not united whatsoever.
>Yet /wg/ still has quality posts regularly
Many are inclined to disagree. There can be helpful post and unhelpful post, but you can't identity who saying those things within the reality. It essentially acts as a room of empty voices. I tried to like typical 4chan boards and reddit, but neither were appealing to me. On Pol I realized why exactly I couldn't care about a damn thing on these boards. It's simply too anonymous and empty. Without some essence of truth, there are merely no consistent characters to interact with. It becomes a void with no real ideals to stand on. It reminds me a lot of dreadful content that comes from Rick and Morty or ((their)) media.

>> No.17911774

>>17911758
>I don't like it here so it should change to cater to my interests
>everyone who likes it how it is?
>fuck em
BE-FUCKING-GONE BOARD MIGRANT

>> No.17911779

conceited anons are the only ones actually critiquing and posting in this thread

>> No.17911785

>>17911774
Should I go to one of the many website's that caters to what I want? Nah, I'll just change your site so that it suits me.

>> No.17911800

Just ignore him and post your writing so I can have something interesting to read

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17911812

>>17911779
>trying to introduce a new faction into the culture war
It's only fun to praise anime because it enables the schizos delusions
Conceited anon is just fun

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>>17911812

>> No.17911854

>>17911728
>I find it hard to believe that anyone would come to a forum to criticise it's only defining feature. It is supposed to be completely anonymous.
Pol is literally a board here and I'll argue it does this concept better.
>>17911812
Any context on the pic? Just wtf?

>> No.17911871

>>17911852
I'm coming for you anon. You better keep your wpm up or you're gonna get outpaced by a google docs poster

>> No.17911902

>>17911852
not him but what's wrong with google docs? please give a serious answer and don't laugh at me, i want to understand

>> No.17911910

>>17911871
He fears how filthily cheap we are. I never moved on from mspaint.

>> No.17911916

>>17911902
poorfag lmao

>> No.17911946

>>17910381
With small publisher and self pub. Maybe 10k from smut 5+ years ago. I’ve written all kinds of genre fiction. 80% of what I published is quite bad, especially at the beginning. But it’s all scaffolding to build you up. I used to rewrite endlessly, worldbuild, outline, take notes for years. Time better spent on actually writing. Yes, marketing is key for self-publishing. It’s just as important as the writing. You need to do NL swaps, fb ads, have an active fb page. It really sucks if you don’t like the genre you write in. Also need a really on-brand cover. Successful book launches often take 500-1k investment, obviously more if you really want to go for it. Some authors wait until they have a couple books out in a series before pumping money. Also need a free novella or something to drive mailing list funnel

>> No.17911952

>>17911774
>>17911785
So why are you two complaining when this is a feature of the site?

>> No.17911967

dont bite the bait

>> No.17911971

>>17911902
It's completely shite and I hate it, but mainly I was just throwing shade for shits and giggles hoping it sticks. Sometimes you score that way.

>>17911871
heh

>> No.17911975

>>17911946
>I’ve written all kinds of genre fiction. 80% of what I published is quite bad, especially at the beginning.
Did you try to be an all-rounder on genres since the start?
> I used to rewrite endlessly, worldbuild, outline, take notes for years. Time better spent on actually writing.
That sounds confusing. What do you mean with these two sentences. They seem contradictory.

>> No.17911992

>>17911971
>It's completely shite and I hate it, but mainly I was just throwing shade for shits and giggles hoping it sticks. Sometimes you score that way.
For some reason, I actually love using it and I have no fucking clue why. I bought a better program and I still prefer using google docs.

>> No.17912000

namefags feed off attention and (you)s
do your part and starve it out

>> No.17912006

>>17911967
How is it bait? If they get angry all over it or claim its different when they do it, it'll always be a paradox.

>> No.17912011

>>17911992
It's run through Chrome so it eats RAM like a sumoka at a wagyu buffet. And also fucks up the usual shortcut layouts. And doesn't even match Word for functions which is the bare minimum I'd expect of any big corp competitor.

>> No.17912017

What fantasy race fits better with jews, goblins or gnomes?

>> No.17912021

>>17911975
All-rounder is a bad strategy for new writers. Ideally you have a niche and can branch out more in short fiction if you like. I meant that time would have been better spent on writing. No amount of thinking or planning can replicate the experience of writing a story, no matter how bad it is -- always trying to improve, of course.

>> No.17912024

>>17912017
gnomes
goblins can't think long term, they just do what they can to sate their desires immediately
gnomes though. theyre fucking sinister man

>> No.17912034

>>17908928
pasta:

Any progress on your journey to become a /wg/ star?

previous thread:>>xxxxxxx(Cross-thread)

For Polemics:
>White Fragility
>Sex and Character
>Beyond Good and Evil
>Article: Yes, I'm a Modern Hack Writer and I'm proud of it.
>R.C. Waldun's whole videography.

For Rhetorics:
>Schopenhauer: How to win arguments
>Ben Shapiro: How to debate leftists
>Article; How to Debate fascists and destroy them: be a marxist

further suggestions are welcome

>> No.17912040
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>>17912024
Problem for me is that gnomes just seem too goofy. Goblins are filthy conniving little evil creatures, so it seems like a better fit in that sense.

>> No.17912047

>>17912035
that's exactly it
everyone hates goblins. you know you can;t trust them even remotely
but gnomes?
everyone trusts a gnome and they know that. they know that they've gained your trust, they wiggle their way into your society, into your governments
never trust a gnome

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17912048

>>17912024
>>17912040
This is what I think of when I think of goblins (as well as the Tolkien goblins).

>> No.17912057

>>17912047
Fair enough, you make a good argument. Also there's this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnomes_of_Z%C3%BCrich

>> No.17912059

>>17912034
>/lit/ tier identity politics
core /wgg/
maybe links to popular booktubers and twitter accounts

>> No.17912066

>>17912011
I'm surprised I have hardly run into any issues on google docs. i never knew it was that bad.
>>17912021
The Franxx rewrite is basically my first and possibly last big story. Should I try to write some mini-stories or scenes off of its world to get use to the genres it contains? I speculate that the story will have mainly have elements of love and drama. What genre should I focus on first?

>> No.17912079

>>17912017
gnomes. They are far more deceptive than a goblin. >>17912040
>Problem for me is that gnomes just seem too goofy.
Jews seem nice, until you look closer and listen their words.

>> No.17912093

>>17912066
>I have hardly run into any issues on google docs
Chrome has come a long way from its early RAM-gulping days but not the office suite, which is still an utter hog

>> No.17912108

Im working on a fanfic
Does that count?

>> No.17912109

>>17912108
yeah

>> No.17912115

I'M REALLY LOSING ALL OF MY SANITY IM FEELING SOMETHING REPLACE MY HUMANITY NO MORE TIME FOR TALKING LET MY ACTIONS SPEAK BREAK YOUR NOSE AND TEETH SO YOU KNOW THAT'S ME THE SICKNESS OF THIS WORLD MADE ME COLDER INTO A SOLDIER WHEN IT'S TIME FOR WAR I KEEP MY COMPOSURE I KEEP ON SHOOTING TILL I SEE NO MORE MOTION AND I DON'T FEEL SHIT I LOST ALL MY EMOTION DON'T NEED A MOTIVE I JUST LOVE THE COMMOTION THE CHAOS EXPLOSIONS WORLD'S BURNING DOWN TOO SLOW LET ME POUR SOME GASOLINE ON THESE COALS

SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH DON'T YOU LIE TO ME I KNO WE'RE GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL IN THIS SOCIETY BREAKDOWN WAR TOTAL ANARCHY EVERY SINGLE DAY THERE'S ANOTHER KILLING SPREE

VOICES IN MY HEAD TALKING I CANNOT DISMISS EM PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE AND MKULTRA VICTIMS SELF DIAGNOSED WITH SOME TERMINAL SHIT IM PISTOL WHIPPING EVERY CUNT THAT DOES NOT FEEL THIS OH SHIT CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE GO FLIP THE KILLSWITCH NO BRAKES ON THIS TRAIN SO WE'RE GOING ALL IN HANDPICKING ME FOR THE GULAGS LIKE STALIN EVERYTIME I STEP OUTSIDE THE FEDS GETTING CALLED IN SO BE IT SO BE IT IM ABOUT TO FUCKING UNLEASH IT AND START BEASTING THE LAST SUPPER HERE AND NOW SO START FEASTING THE SICKNESS DEEP INSIDE OF ME NEEDS RELEASING THE FEVER POINT WE'RE NOW REACHING SO VERY MANY LESSONS THAT NEED TEACHING CALL ME A DIRECTOR SHICKMAN TARANTINO

>>17912093
NO

>> No.17912117

>>17912108
its soulless but it is writing
it does not count as "working on it" if you write less than 1k a day

>> No.17912130

>>17912117
Its been re wrote about three times and I have more than 20000 words invested on it with each chapter being roughly 5000 words on it, granted I dont work on it everyday

>> No.17912134

>>17912117
>its soulless but it is writing
You have to completely miss the point of the characters and story to do that. It's just too easy for fanfiction writers to go out that way.

>> No.17912144

>>17912130
What is it about?

>> No.17912149

>>17912130
If it's not finished you probably shouldn't be rewriting, just accept that your first draft won't be perfect and get to the end
respectable wc though
20k is around where most people give up because they're lazy fucks, congrats on making it past the filter

>> No.17912155

>>17912093
Yeah I hate using word because it makes my laptop whirr like crazy.

I don’t know how computers work

>> No.17912171

>>17912117
>it does not count as "working on it" if you write less than 1k a day

That seems arbitrary. I've finished plenty of drafts at an, on average, less than 1k a day pace.

>> No.17912193

>>17912108
sure

>>17912117
if it's shit FF, sure

>> No.17912194

>>17912171
It's probably about the pacing. In art, pacing can determine the outcome of a drawing. I suspect something similar happens with writing.

>> No.17912195

>>17912115
Is this original??

>> No.17912211

>>17912066
>>17912093
Be sure to have a non-google backup if you are using Google Docs.
Google has a habit of locking users out of their accounts, and never responding to their claims to get them back.
I lost all my email and documents recently because Google refuses to let me back onto my account.

>> No.17912217

>>17912211
>I lost all my email and documents recently because Google refuses to let me back onto my account.
Why? Just randomly?

>> No.17912218

>>17912211
>tfw have ~50k of short stories on my google drive
haha anon don't say things like that please I don't have the physical fortitude to think about such things

>> No.17912226

>>17912218
I think it’s easy enough to download them en masse

>> No.17912231

>>17912211
wait what? why?

>> No.17912252

>>17912211
I wonder if they sent you an email that you weren't ever meant to receive.

>> No.17912262

>>17912195
Yeee boii I just need to learn how to sing might get professional lessons and then I can release it

>> No.17912266

>>17912144
Its crazy:
Its basically an Isekai, a poor Spanish catholic teenager who lost his parents and his girlfriend and all he has is his brother and sister are sent along side his house to DxD, the reason is because he is sort off the Chosen One, the Enemy knows that the Final Day is coming and wants to get a leg up by basically getting a whole world under him, God doesnt want to allow it so he sents the MC along side an archangel, with the end goal being Satan being banished back to Hell and the MC finally overcoming his Survivor guild and martyr complex
Make no mistakes the MC is going to suffer, or atleast I will make it so, not Subaru levels of suffering but close, I want him to be the anti Mary Sue, the only advantage is that his progresión is rather fast in the magic side of things but everything else he has to work for it, and also deal with the fact he has to protect his surrogate family and his brother and sister

>> No.17912267

>>17912066
I don't know what the Franxx rewrite is, but it sounds like fan fiction. I highly recommend writing original fiction. But if you're a beginner then it's fine.

>> No.17912274

>>17912115
>>17912195
no way thats original

>> No.17912300

>>17912266
To count his suffering:
>Lost his parents and gf before the story and had to work on the docks to not only put something on the table but also allow his brother and sister go to school
>Akeno met him early and she and her (fortunately living) mother forced him to be adopted, in part because the Mother wants a son and never got over loosing his husband and her family trying kill her for racemixing and also because she doesnt want the MC to end in the streets
>Nearly died in first fight when he was pierced by Freed.
>Has a martyr complex and survivors guilt, even though he didnt cause the death he believes he is wholly responsible for his parents and his girlfriend murder since he couldnt do anything about it despite being there

>> No.17912309

>>17912115
damn didn't know Death-Grips posted here.

>> No.17912314

>>17912217
>>17912231
They will randomly sign you out, so that you have to reconfirm your 2step verification thing.
Mine was tied to a phone number that I didn't have access to any more, so I tried a backup code they tell you to save and use.
Only now it wants ID verification before it will allow me back onto my account, which I have sent and Google have ignored.

This all happened around May last year, and they still haven't got back to me about it.
I've just given up and made a new Email through someone else.

>> No.17912323

>>17912314
Horrible, I would have so many problems if I lost my gmail account. I should set up my own email tbqh.

>> No.17912327

>>17912314
>2step verification
ahhh I see the problem

Yeah, I don't believe at all in trusting the cloud. HDD storage always. If you don't physically hold it, it ain't yours.

>> No.17912331

>>17912323
Please don't put all your eggs in one basket
t. someone who does that anyway

>> No.17912344

>>17912300
Bit of a crazy idea I know, but non Coomer fanfics of that universe have been made already, lots of them Good, so I know it can be done, I already resolved myself to not starting the next story until I finish this one

>> No.17912382

>>17911952
it's a feature of the site but not a feature of this community.

>> No.17912397

>>17912267
remade the whole thing because I hated the anime so much. The first part only just resembles the first half of the anime. Things just get very insane and off the rails in the second to last part.
>>17910941
Several non-characters become fully envisioned characters. I heavily rewrote the entire structure of the plot, but try to keep in the few things good about Franxx around. I have read some fics and I have noted myself on why they are failures. Common flaws, missing story pieces in the anime, and other stuff.
With stories, they don't thrive from originality. They thrive from excellent execution and an excellent mindset. This one is more complex, yet simple as boy meets girl.

>> No.17912417

>>17912382
don't try to rationalize
there's 20~ posts telling him to quit his bullshit but he's clearly deluded

>> No.17912446

>>17912309
>>17912274
It's original senpaitachi

>death grips
Possibly the best compliment anyone has ever given me

>> No.17912510

>>17911812
>everything everything
You're gay? Pretty based

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>>17910948
60k words! 60 thousand! That's six times as many as there were Uruk-hai besieging Helm's Deep. Bah Gawd.

>> No.17912551

>>17912382
>>17912417
You should look at yourselves before you even dare say this to me. You are no different than the redditors and Discord members:
Like this is rational?
>it's a feature of the site but not a feature of this community.
Seriously, go fuck off to discord or some other gang up site. You will actually have absurd power there to do whatever controlling bullshit you want. It's clear that 4chan doesn't care.
>>17912344
I am surprised to hear that.

>> No.17912564

New thread.

>>17912562

>> No.17912588

>>17912510
>0 comments on anime
>blasted for listening to a pop band
Y'know /wg/
Maybe you're alright after all

>> No.17912628

>>17912588
Everyone here is an animefag, you don’t have to worry.

>> No.17912630

>>17912551
>It's clear that 4chan doesn't care.
deluded
>>17911096
>>17911195
>>17911238
>>17911486
>>17911322
>>17911334
>>17911421
>>17911427
>>17911430
>>17911473
>>17911598
>>17911646
>>17911695
>>17911700
>>17911707
>>17911728
>>17911774
>>17912382
all telling to not use a trip or to fuck off
you're literally ignoring everyone who's told you to stop so you can pretend you're dumbass opinion is valid
go where you're welcome

>> No.17912638

>>17912628
Ironically, I completely lost almost all joy for anime.

>> No.17912703

>>17912630
>all telling to not use a trip or to fuck off
>you're literally ignoring everyone who's told you to stop so you can pretend you're dumbass opinion is valid
>go where you're welcome
Let's see... I don't care nigger. 4chan doesn't care either. You are literally nobodies to me and I am a nobody too. The only difference is that I don't step down on a trip from a supposed army, crypto-kike. You guys are strangely against the biz and pol ip id system and I have figured out why. Many of you are really the same person that pretend to be an army. All thanks to the lack of a proper ip id system.

>> No.17912716

>>17912703
>I'm a nobody
>But I need to have a name
take your meds

>> No.17912725

>>17912703
>I am a nobody too
Then why do you attentionwhore with a name? be honest, you just want to brag "this is me, I'm so important XDDDDD"

>> No.17912751

>>17912716
So I am correct. KEK.
You really are a pathetic anon. You think I wouldn't ever see through your writing and lies? Just fuck off from here. No one cares about your cringe and I am too smart to fall for your games.

>> No.17912758

>>17912716
>>17912725
If you stop responding, it will eventually go away.

>> No.17912759

>>17912725
Why do you want my attention so badly? I am not special. I just used a free feature everyone can use.

>> No.17912760

>>17912751
what are you talking about
there's a logical disconnect in what you're saying
you're not being anonymous if you have a username
dumb schizo

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17912761

>>17912751
>I am too smart to fall for your games
The absolute state of attentionwhores, holy shit.

>> No.17912771

>>17912758
>the only solution is to hope more naive anons don't feed him
schizos are the worst
you can't even bully them off because they're so deep in delusion
atleast anime shizo only takes it as far as reacting, this fag's need for attention is constant

>> No.17912777

>>17912760
>>17912761
Stop responding. Every reply is a victory for the attentionwhore.

>> No.17912779

>>17912758
I am trying to follow those exact words. It's just so hard to ignore gremlins that scream so hard over petty shit.

>> No.17912859

>>17912777
Isn't it just you and two other anons? I just remain because I am curious as shit. With or without a name, I am constantly asking questions and trying to figure things out.

>> No.17913140

>>17911413
>doesn't actually refute the point
>in fact, arguably "proves" whites are better writers
Are you a white supremacist anon? You sound like one.