/lit/ - Literature

>>17894262
I read some Yeats today

>>17894269
good, you pass, but know yeats is slightly suspect

>>17894279
Your opinion on Yeats is slightly suspect.

>>17894262
Smooth between sea and land
Is laid the yellow sand,
And here through summer days
The seed of Adam plays.

Here the child comes to found
His unremaining mound,
And the grown lad to score
Two names upon the shore.

Here, on the level sand,
Between the sea and land,
What shall I build or write
Against the fall of night?

Tell me of runes to grave
That hold the bursting wave,
Or bastions to design
For longer date than mine.

Shall it be Troy or Rome
I fence against the foam,
Or my own name, to stay
When I depart for aye?

Nothing: too near at hand,
Planing the figure sand,
Effacing clean and fast
Cities not built to last
And charms devised in vain,
Pours the confounding main.
?

>>17894262
you people and your violent ways will come to an end!

>>17894262
The Naming of Cats is a difficult matter,
It isn’t just one of your holiday games;
You may think at first I’m as mad as a hatter
When I tell you, a cat must have THREE DIFFERENT NAMES.
First of all, there’s the name that the family use daily,
Such as Peter, Augustus, Alonzo, or James,
Such as Victor or Jonathan, George or Bill Bailey—
All of them sensible everyday names.
There are fancier names if you think they sound sweeter,
Some for the gentlemen, some for the dames:
Such as Plato, Admetus, Electra, Demeter—
But all of them sensible everyday names,
But I tell you, a cat needs a name that’s particular,
A name that’s peculiar, and more dignified,
Else how can he keep up his tail perpendicular,
Or spread out his whiskers, or cherish his pride?
Of names of this kind, I can give you a quorum,
Such as Munkustrap, Quaxo, or Coricopat,
Such as Bombalurina, or else Jellylorum—
Names that never belong to more than one cat.
But above and beyond there’s still one name left over,
And that is the name that you never will guess;
The name that no human research can discover—
But THE CAT HIMSELF KNOWS, and will never confess.
When you notice a cat in profound meditation,
The reason, I tell you, is always the same:
His mind is engaged in a rapt contemplation
Of the thought, of the thought, of the thought of his name:
His ineffable effable
Effanineffable
Deep and inscrutable singular name

>>17894262
Poetry
But why?
I have so many pages of philosophy still to understand
Brocinö.

>>17894262
Based.
>>17894279
>know yeats is slightly suspect
Explain.

>>17894338
the prose fan deserved it

>>17894365
Philosophy is so useless, just pickup some lyrical shit bro

>>17894373
I feel he is often touted by people who don't know much about poetry (yet), sort of like Pound, which doesn't affect the value of either of them.

>>17894400
They're the two greatest modernists in the English language so it's natural that they have more interest that the poets you like. Who do you like by the way?

>>17894262
I only read nonfiction, and quotes from fiction

>>17894434
Keats, Shakespeare, Ben Johnson, wallace stevens, Ovid, Horace, Ashbery, Whitman, Spenser, Sidney, Dickinson, Donne, Wordsworth, Hopkins, Melville, Byron, chaucer, milton, Dryden. These guys are pretty good

>>17894520
>I feel he is often touted by people who don't know much about poetry (yet)
What you said here is applicable to almost all those guys. Plus you read poetry in translation, which is pathetic.

>>17894529
I read latin you fucking retard, but Yeats, Eliot, and Pound attract retards who want to seem like they are learned in the "Western Canon"

>>17894383
D: I really enjoy it though

>>17894541
>I read latin you fucking retard
Post your Loebs or I don't believe you.

>>17894383
Im a phil student and I dont want to read any philosophy anymore in my life and just read literature
just 2 more years and I will be free

I’ve been trying to read Ashberry all weekend and don’t understand him at all. Hard to even enjoy. Might be the first “major” poet I’ve read that I find personally impenetrable

>>17894584
>Im a phil student and I dont want to read any philosophy anymore in my life and just read literature
That's exactly what happened to me. Everything that I liked about philosophy was ruined for me in college. I very rarely pick up philosophy texts anymore.

>>17894584
>>17894594
>only read philosophy in my free time, and when I'm in the mood for whatever it is I'm reading
>philosophy remains enjoyable for me 10 years in
I've gotten through the main Greeks, scholastics, Kant, Spinoza, Hume, Schopenhauer, Nietzsche this way and I still don't feel bitter or jaded at all. The trick is not going to university for things you enjoy, only for what makes money (assuming you cannot be a NEET of some sort).

>>17894636
good 4 u

>>17894636
Study what you are good at and all will be well.

>>17894541
Spring . . . . . . .
Too long . . . . . .
Gongula . . . . . .

>>17894541
Yeats is authentic but pound and Elliot are trying too hard. There’s such a prominent “look at me I’m great” feel to much of the work. Especially compared with the music and emotional profundity of frost...who’s not on your list, oversight or objection?

Can you tell me what are some good poems? I just don't get poetry. Prose seems so much better to me for reading. I even prefer prose translations of Homer, Virgil, Dante, etc. The only thing poetry is good for is music.

is dr. seuss good pottery asking for some fiends

>>17894809
Read Lyrical Ballads, the collection by Wordsworth, Coleridge and friends. It’s a great introduction to Romantic poetry, which is itself a great introduction to poetry. Specifically, read Wordsworth’s Tintern Abbey.

>>17894262
I don't find poetry especially engaging. It reads, typically, like the author is trying to hard to get something across but obscuring their own message for the sake of plausible deniability.
Maybe I'm not depressed enough to "get it" but I've never read a piece of poetry that spoke to me beyond the superficial "oh, that's clever!".

Many the wonders I this day have seen:
The sun, when first he kissed away the tears
That filled the eyes of Morn;—the laurelled peers
Who from the feathery gold of evening lean;—
The ocean with its vastness, its blue green,
Its ships, its rocks, its caves, its hopes, its fears,
Its voice mysterious, which whoso hears
Must think on what will be, and what has been.
E'en now, dear George, while this for you I write,
Cynthia is from her silken curtains peeping
So scantly, that it seems her bridal night,
And she her half-discovered revels keeping.
But what, without the social thought of thee,
Would be the wonders of the sky and sea?

What’s a decent all rounder anthology for a poetry noob?

Best ashbury collection?

>>17894912
>https://www.amazon.com/Best-Poems-English-Language-Chaucer/dp/0060540419

>>17894912
Norton and also the Harold bloom collection.

>>17894338
Fucking poetryniggers

In the sun that is young once only,
Time let me play and be
Golden in the mercy of his means...

>>17894262
i read some Molly Brodak poems and then her husband Blake Butler's essay about her suicide and it fuckin ruined my day man.

>>17894262
I only come here to post
>Whats a good translation of X
and I dont even read

>>17895627
based I only come here to know about good books and I use it to reference in daily conversation even though I have no idea what Im talking about

>>17894338
I someday wish to die like this, or to kill like this.