/lit/ - Literature

>>17892369
I don’t read dead white men.

>>17892369
You can safely ignore all of the Greek and Roman literature and keep reading modern literature

>>17892369
All frog posts should be reported as spamming/flooding.

>>17892369
OP is not a faggot.

Copyright was a disaster for the quality of literature and art.

>>17892394
Hail LibGen

>>17892369
Based. Nu-males and onions boys like:
>>17892381
>>17892383
btfo.

>>17892369
Literature died in 1945 and each culture's respective epics were the peak of it.

Russian literature is far superior to Greek. It's more relevant.

I cannot stand symbolism, less so metaphor. However, specifically when its meaning can only be derived by an outside source of information, anything an off-the-shelf reader would know.
So works like Dubliners I find are painfully pretentious and useless. Furthermore, when combing through notes on it, it seems most 'scholars' just extrapolate and speculate and seem to never really be all that sure if they are correct in their assumptions.
Blue represents his homosexual desries! The streetlights flickering are a metaphor for his mom's death!
Get real.

But ancient people were semi-retarded. You can safely ignore anything written before the enlightenment.

>>17892538

>>17892628
Old bad, new good

I read John David Card's People Mover, it's actually pretty good.

>>17892518

>>17892369
Sure, but latin is doing the heavy lifting here. Greeks can't compare to Virgil, Horace, Ovid, Cicero, Livy, Tacitus, and Marcellinus.

>>17892369
There are good works from antiquity and there are good modern works as well. I'd recommend checking out both periods, and others, to see what strikes your fancy. :^)

>>17893641
Hey baby, I could strike your fancy if you know what I mean

>>17892369
What about the Mestopotamians and Egyptians?

>>17892369
I can do whatever I want you dumb no good rascal

>>17892369
>You can safely ignore all of modern literature and keep reading the Greeks and Romans

How is this at all unpopular on a reactionary lit board?

The Greeks and Romans are boring

>>17892381
>Greeks and Romans
>white

The only reasons good literature isn't produced anymore is because of the loss of faith in our society and the sexual freedoms afforded to us.

>>17892652
Unironically yes

>>17895233
Then why are so many great writers degenerates?

War and Peace and Tolstoy in general is pretty meh. Dostoevsky is way better at providing human insight

>>17895241
They're not

Medieval "literature" sucks.

>>17892394
Agreed, imitation and even just modifying existing works was something many greats did, including Chaucer and Shakespeare.

You can safely skip the romans and stick with the Greeks, Egyptians and Mesopotamians

>>17892369
Vtubers are /lit/, and those who say otherwise are merely denying the inevitable.

>>17895261
Joyce, Wilde, Proust, Rimbaud, the entire decadent movement.

>>17892381
I'm black and I read dead white men. You literally have no excuse

>>17895246
This, I can't fucking read that much trash about the melancholic problems of sheltered wealthy w*men.

>>17892369
Trve but not in translation

>>17892618
>4 typological layers to the Old Testament, in traditional Hebrew exegesis
Atheism comes with disadvantages

George Orwell's novels suck but his journalism is fun and I enjoyed reading it.

Dune is a pulp sci-fi novel for kids but it's great on that basis. I don't get what all the hubbub is about though.

Bret Easton Ellis is one of the biggest hacks who ever hacked and he's just as airheaded as a person as his characters. He's JK Rowling for sad bisexual boys and they should feel ashamed of themselves for falling for such an obvious trick all these years, and probably do.

Mark Fisher is annoying and his foregrounding of class is disingenuous because he could give a fuck-all about exploitation and didn't even pretend to have a theory of political economy. If you're talking about class being the end-all/be-all and say the left should return to Marx when you don't care about questions of value and exploitation then you're just turning class into an empty signifier, like an identity in the same sense Fisher thinks of gender and race. That makes Fisher a little black cat scared of its own shadow reflected... on the Whampire's Castle... which does sound like the subtitle of a badass Castlevania game so I'll give him points for that.

The Holocaust was real and the Nazis were real bad but David Irving has contributed original research and insight into the Nazis. Both of these things can be true.

https://youtu.be/EjazC45Qkww

>>17895460
who

>>17895363
Those are not good writers

modern literature is so much superior, its not even close. if you took an ancient greek cave person and showed him something like naked lunch, he would die trying to process it. and naked lunch is nothing compared to some of the shit we have now

>>17895269
Sup Frater, where the fuck you have been?

>>17895516
Complex = good

>>17892394
based

>>17894052
which books have you stolen

>>17892369
philosophy before kant and hegel is utterly irrelevant today and even philosophers after these two are for the most part totally outdated since they build their foundations on the works of pre-Kantian and pre-Hegelian philosophy. Any Philosophy that does not take thinkers such as Stirner, Nietzsche and continental philosophy seriously and into account, is doomed from the get go. The only truly relevant thinkers in our day and age are Debord, Baudrillard and Land

>>17895755
weve become better at simplicity too

>>17892369
Nietzsche is an overrated philosopher specifically because he was an engaging, entertaining writer, which almost no other philosopher ever has been.

Musil > Joyce
Broch > Faulkner
Tolstoy > Dostoyevsky

A novel will emerge from covid lockdown (from, not about) that will be one of the greats

>>17896178
this is true. I'm writing it currently. Stay tuned for it. It will make everyone seethe because it will hold a mirror to people's hypocrisy and ideological idiocies. Whether you're leftcuck or rightcuck. You WILL seethe when you read it and you will all read it

>>17895369
Post proof whiteboi

>>17892369
You can’t understand a book without reading everything the author wrote, the authors who influenced him, a significant proportion of the secondary literature on the book/author/period, and writing many essays yourself. People who skip from great book to great book are shallow consoomers who just want to say “I’ve read X” for the pseudcred

>>17895520
Holiday season, so mostly with family and still somewhat on here.

>>17896219
you just admitted to not understanding anything you've ever read. good for you. now kys

>>17896178
twitter is sublimating everyone's creative writing energies

>>17895340
Good, we need more vtubers that are /lit/-approved.

>>17892369
>Unpopular opinion (among kuffar and munafiqoon)
You only ever need to read the Quran and the teachings of RasoolAllah, sallAllahu aleyhi wa sallam

>>17896594
fuck off goat fucking nigger

>>17895980
Reading BoT, im finding him a little preachy. Maybe I'm just retarded.

>>17895795
why

>>17896600
You will regret your vile speech one day, brother. I hope your regret and repentance are in this worldly life, where you can still receive mercy and forgiveness, rather than in the Hereafter, when no regret and no excuses will be accepted by the Mujrim and the Faasiq - those who wronged others, and did evil without shame.

>>17896635
kys mudshit. your LARP is just annoying.

>>17892381
Good thing Meds are not 'white' (anglo terminology).

>>17892538
Now this is peak contrarianism.

>>17895498
Name a better novelist and better poets.

>>17895516
>>17895755
Modernism (-pomo; avant-garde; etc.), litterary/perspective tricks and such are just a rehearsal of peak Baroque. See Velazquez, Gongora and Cervantes.

>>17892518
>muh there can't be poetry after Auschwitz
Fuck you Adorno

>>17895795
Anything post descartes is fundamentally retarded

>>17897464
Proof?

>>17892394
How will the writers get paid without it? We don't have aristocracy anymore, and we can't have trust-fund kids writing all our literature. Do we just do away with democracy and equality before the law?

Actually on second thought, I like the way you're thinking.

Continental philosophy (at the very least from Heidegger onwards) is a dead end and its stylistic tendencies are used consciously as a gatekeeping tool rather than being necessary to express its authors ideas.

>>17892369
You can safely ignore all of modern literature and the Greeks and Romans and keep reading the Bible

>>17897614
1. There are lots of billionaires who give out grants to universities
2. They can write on the side, an hour or so before breakfast is enough

>>17892381
So you read Evola?

>>17897556
Think about it

>>17899374
Ok, and?

>>17899419
Are You?