/lit/ - Literature

>another /v/eddit thread

>>17879875
Based, 4chan is an anime site

>>17879875
https://www.mediafire.com/file/rqfmsqdowbgw3fq/Folklore_The_Whispering_Skull.zip/file

This Ed Greenwood novel was scrubbed off the internet in 2017 and was lost media until now.

Sexing with Shuq elalle

I love anime so fucking much bros.

jolenta consented

>>17879875
i hate anime

Didn't realize another thread was already up. Voynich idea poster, if you wanna do it yourself you should try writing it as a short story.

What are some more books set in ancient egypt?

>>17879875
Reading 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Jules Verne fucking conned me. I thought they were going to go 20k leagues UNDER the sea, not just go around the world while floating at the surface for most of the time.

>>17880906
20,000 leagues = 69,047 miles

>>17881064
And your point?

>>17881075
Oh nevermind, I just looked up the diameter of the Earth. Still kinda peeved.

>>17881075
The distance to the core of the earth is 3,959 miles.

Redpill me on N.K. Jemisin anons. My bookstore has a lot of her books and I'm desperate for a scifi fix. Is it worth it?

>>17850361
Just bought Inhuman. Thanks for mentioning it.

>>17881209
well, prose-wise she's considered one of the better writers active today (that's a very low-bar to clear though, remember that a lot of readers hold Pat Rothfuss as one of the best prose stylists in fantasy today too)

>>17879875
>>>/tg/78318775
Stop making shitty, off-topic vtuber OPs.

>>17881252
report it
or better yet go bitch on 4chan.org/feedback or the IRC

>>17881260
Do mods even visit the IRC after moving to discord?

>>17881252
Both seem to be on-topic, the fuck are you on about?

>>17881252
Please consider: Your actions and the reason why the person keeps making shitty V-tuber OPs

>>17881340
>they recoil, I have been found out!

>>17881373
Our Faggot of an OP has been doing this for a long time.

I'm gonna make the next /sffg/, what should the picture be?

>>17881389
>>they recoil, I have been found out!
Not the OP you idiot. That tg thread has a thread that’s on-topic. Despite your feelings for the pic.

>>17881269
Yes
But where the fuck is the discord?

>>17881394
A book cover, an illustration from or of a sci-fi or fantasy story a picture of an author, hell, even one of the memes or charts we used to make.

>>17881401
>no-games bait complaining about "the state of traditional games" is on-topic

>>17881420
Have you seen the state of /tg/ there’s far worst threads up.

>>17881429
As though a diarrhea shit is any better than a fat turd.

>>17881457
It looks with the excerption of one anon, nobody gives a shit and are debating the OP questions. Literally no issue.

>>17881464
There's no point in defending yourself.

>>17881234
Have you read her any of her works? Care to give some recommendations?

>>17881501
I would suggest her recent masterpiece #TAKOTIME #hololiveEnglish #holoMYTH【MONSTER HUNTER RISE】 Rise to the Occasion!!! 319,783 views

>>17881523

>We burn like over-fat candles, our centres gouged, our edges curling in, our wick forever outrunning our wax. We resemble what we are: Men who never sleep.

ANONYMOUS MANDATE SCHOOLMAN, THE HEIROMANTIC PRIMER

>>17881527
I have to wonder if shit like >>17881252 is just false flagging at this point. We were just talking about science fiction and fantasy and he shows up and tries to derail the thread.

>>17881440

>>17881554

regarding anon in the last thread talking about TUC ending

re

Ajokli is able to directly manipulate Chorae, the supposed fragments of the God-of-Gods

I don't think he did that he just immobilised the skin spies using magic somehow, ignoring the chorae

re Kellhus descended as Kellhus for some reason before immediately polymorphing into the No-God, despite the No-God seeming barely sentient and Kellhus being fucking dead at the time, only Mimara could see his true identity

it was a consult hologram (like shaeonarea) for them to buy time to turn kelmomas into the no god

regarding kelmomas climbing i'd have to reread but I thought he just snuck in

regarding Kelmomas spooks Ajokli into receding completely which then causes Kellhus, the man with a perfect reaction time even before he became the greatest sorcerer to ever exist, to just stand there for a bit like ??? and then job to a single skin-spy

makes perfect sense to me, there were 100 skin spies with chorae all standing like 10 feet away from him, and he was literally possessed by the devil and having his head burst into flames, it makes sense he would be disoriented and even if he wasn't he was screwed without ajoklis powers there, 100 skin spies that close is game over, they could just all throw their chorae at him, and skin spies are already fairly a tough physical fight for kellhus

>>17881595
>skin spies are already fairly a tough physical fight for kellhus
Skin spies are a fairly tough physical fight for Cnaiur. Dunyain effortlessly dab on them, even Maithanet and the kid.
Speaking of which, what the fuck happened to the kid?

>>17881616
Claw boy? Bait for if Bakker ever writes the no god books.

Why does every fantasy novel on goodreads have a review by this tasteless wonder?
Why is he such a massive faggot?

>>17881668
>Interests
>Comic Books, Atheism, Western CRPGs

>I am a critic; which is to say I am in possession of a poetic license to kill
this has to be ironic, there is no way this is real

>>17881616
maithanet surprise attacked one, and knew about their weak spot, doesn't count.

Kellhus had to run from about ~6 skin spies that time remember? He would have got btfo if he fought them which is why he ran, he only beat them by luring them into the well and taking advantage of his senses and intelligence to outplay them so that the surviving skin spies ran away.

Cnauir was doing ok vs sarcellus but still getting rekd and sure to lose, and then sarcellus stopped pretending to be human and rekd him harder, cnauir vs kellhus no sorcery is definitely a win for kellhus but not super easy, he'd lose vs like 4 cnauirs and skinspies are stronger.

and he was trapped in a small room vs a hundred skin spies with instakill choraes and several dunyain one of which could use magic

>>17881683
>C.S. Lewis: the Narnia series (erratic, condescending, flat characters)
>J.R.R. Tolkien: Lord of the Rings (an impressive intellectual exercise, but overall stodgy, unromantic, and convoluted)
>Gene Wolfe: Book of the New Sun (the few interesting ideas present are not explored, story centers on a narrator who is both unpleasant and dull, arbitrary magic solves plot conflicts)
>recommends E.R. Eddison instead
People like him are where the cliches come from.

>>17881595
oh also I forgot to mention that

Kellhus is probably possessed on the circumfix when he has that vision that he thinks is the nogod and pulls sewes heart out of his chest

>>17881729
>Kellhus is probably possessed on the circumfix when he has that vision that he thinks is the nogod and pulls sewes heart out of his chest
holy shit what

>Only halfway through the Darkness that Comes Before
>I have to refrain myself from clicking on spoilers 6 books away

>>17881860
Get out of this thread now you idiot.

>>17881860
Oh shit nigger what are you doing
Go away

>>17881860
as someone who was in your position a few weeks ago
GTFO now and don't come back until you finish The Unholy Consult, the plot twists are absolutely insane

>>17880048
Neat, thanks. Why was it scrubbed to begin with?

>>17881860
Leave and never come back! Until you finish TUC that is. :3

>>17881252
How do you know who all these vtubers are? Are you a simp?

First for bakker

>>17882583
All shitposting aside, only recently realized that at its core Bakker is about poststructuralism within a Traditionalist world

>>17881668
I wonder if this dude has ever crossed the Second Apocalypse.

>>17882596
>Traditionalist world
What do you mean?

>>17879875
behead vtubers and their simpathizers

>>17882159
that's like asking if you knew who the ponies were in 2011 before /mlp/ was made

>>17882623
god exists, women are subjugated, the list goes on

>>17882693
ponies are ponies, theres no way to distinguish anime from vtubers unless you know the difference

Any good cyberpunk books you'd recommend /sffg/?

>>17880084
based

>>17882766
Half the site could distinguish Fluttershy from Rainbow Dash by the time GR15 was implemented. Exact same shit as distinguishing between Pekora and Marine because they won't shut the fuck up about spamming it everywhere.

>>17882798
Gibson

Is seeing an interesting environment and a society not enough of a "point" for a short story? Must there always be characters to care or hate?

>>17879875
What author do I go to after Tolkien?

how are my fellow writerchads doing?

>>17882818
telling the difference between two vtubers is not the same as telling the difference between vtubers and anime, you fucking schizo.

>>17882985

bakker is heavily influenced by tolkien

>>17883134
recognizing them means recognizing them, dumbass

>>17882985
wolfe and bakker are both good

>>17882985
Bakker.

>>17883071
>He remembered
>He remembered
You don't need to repeat it, the reader gets it.

>twin trails that ran away behind them
"ran away behind them" sounds silly, just write 'behind them'.

>helmets with glass
Wtf, explain.

>The silence
What's so special about it? Elaborate or just skip it imo.

Not bad, but needs some editing.

>>17883226
>>17883222
>>17883169
>bakker

>>17883257
Does it trouble you?

>>17883252
*just write leaving 'leaving behind twin trails'

>>17882044
Ed Greenwood scrubbed all the books off his ondolibrum website including the stormtalon series and the hellmaw series due to drama bullshit with co-authors and people behind the scenes.

whats littlefingers masterplan?

How will he win the game of thrones

>>17883311
It will never cease to amaze me how GoT went from an absolute cultural juggernaut that ruled 2010s culture to a show that everybody pretends didn't even exist. It doesn't even get a legendary reputation like LOST did.

>>17883428
probably because it went from decent when it was actually adapting the book to being really really bad fanfic with the retarded idea of pushing dany as some sort of protagonist, same with the stark girls

>>17883428
Horrible last couple of seasons. Surprised that HBO didn't step in and fire the showrunners.

>>17883642
desu that's just as much the fat fuck's fault as the two guys that they put in to direct the show then.

>>17883661
The first few seasons where good because they had the books and kept closely to the book. But the showrunners got arrogant and ran out of books (because GRRM is lazy) and after that it just turned to shit. The only fault of GRRM is that he's lazy. HBO should have stepped in and worked with GRRM to make the last seasons good or at least ok, GoT would still be remembered fondly if the last seasons were just ok because of all the goodwill, but it was so bad that everything just turned to shit. The showrunners exposed themselves as frauds and nepotistic jews.

>>17883661
The first few seasons were good because they had the books and kept closely to the book. But the showrunners got arrogant and ran out of books (because GRRM is lazy) and after that it just turned to shit. The only fault of GRRM is that he's lazy. HBO should have stepped in and worked with GRRM to make the last seasons good or at least ok, GoT would still be remembered fondly if the last seasons were just ok because of all the goodwill. But it was so bad that everything just turned to shit. The showrunners exposed themselves as frauds and nepotistic jews.

>>17883428
I want to fuck hotaru

>>17882985
Tad Williams

>>17879875
OP enjoys sucking dicks on a daily basis.

>>17883698
>>17883704
Bro did you delete and repost your entire post just because of a single where/were typo? I respect the autism if nothing else.

>>17882159
Retarded vtranny you know what google search is right?

>>17883071
I got torn apart by a beta reader. She basically said it needs a top to bottom rewrite. I've strongly considered giving up on writing because I don't have the mental/emotional energy to write a whole new book. Best case scenario is 3/4 random idiots online and my grandmother read my tripe. Unfortunately I don't have any other passions/hobbies as I'm shit at everything.

>>17884262
not saying you suck but if you ever read other aspiring writers stuff 95% is absolute trash

>>17884262
start running

>>17883071
I'm about to eat a shitload of sushi, then my hero goes up the stairs to face the BBEG, get kicked off the ledge by a friend, get saved by another friend, and then fight a dragon with a dragon. I'm so close to being done I can almost taste it. Nice prose, by the way.

>>17884262
Unless that beta reader is a traditionally published author, a literary agent, or an editor, thank her for her input and never think of her again.

>>17884364
>BBEG
>my hero
>dragon

was being derivative part of your plan?

>>17884374
Yeah. It's children's fantasy. The distinction is in the execution. Why would you be reading genre fic if you didn't want derivative, anyhow?

>>17879875
Thoughts on the Space Trilogy?

>>17884262
did she give any other (more specific) criticisms? It's just one beta-reader, I wouldn't take it too hard. If you had several readers saying that it needed a top to bottom re-write then maybe I would consider it but if its just one, then just thank her and move on. Don't give up so easily bro, writing was never supposed to be easy, keep pushing!

>>17884364
>then my hero goes up the stairs to face the BBEG, get kicked off the ledge by a friend, get saved by another friend, and then fight a dragon with a dragon. I'm so close to being done I can almost taste it.
Sounds like one hell of a ride! That feeling you get when you're almost done with a draft is absolutely mouth-watering, a writer's high in a kind of way

>>17884453
only read the first one but it's pretty good, don't read it if you hate goodness or God though as it will make you seethe

>>17884443
there's a lot of genre stuff that isn't derivative to be fair. Definitely a good idea for kids stuff or if you want to maximise chances of being published though.

>>17883261
I really, really, really like this image.

So on the topic of Baaker, do you think his writing style is a little excessive or just right?

>>17882985
Robert Jordan!

>>17884554
>a little excessive
>a little
his prose is straight up purple, but he gets away with it because it matches the tone of the books

>>17884484
>there's a lot of genre stuff that isn't derivative to be fair
To some extent. BOTNS isn't "derivative" but I could describe it to you as "the protagonist finds a magic stone and uses its powers and his sword to slay an evil giant and become king," and I wouldn't be wrong. Again, it's all in the execution.

>>17883428
It really is I don't think will ever see a decline like it again. Ive been watching clips from the 1st 4 seasons and it was so good it's not even funny

>>17884567
It makes me feel kind of dumb because will be describing something simple and I'll get confused because it's so wordy

>>17883831
Me too, anon

>>17884554
yeah this >>17884567
as reading his blog will show you, his ego is absolutely massive and he considers himself a full on philosopher (not without cause, mind you), and it often comes out in his work
i find it helps much more often than it hurts, as him waxing poetic about something like the Nonmen or Inchoroi helps to convey the grandiosity and mystery of something that pure fact would render inert

like the Nonmen are just Voldemore-looking fuckers with bad cases of dementia but the way he describes them makes them extremely interesting

>>17884600
Wrong

>>17884619
Okay, cool

>>17884600
right

>>17882985
Vance

>>17882985
George R. R. Martin.

>>17884787
almost tolkiens antithesis

>>17884787
Not a bad suggestion, swapping from Tolkien's appreciation of beauty, wonder, and poetry to Martin's cynical denial that anything should be pleasant or happy.

>>17884815
I don't remember much unhappiness in ASOIAF

>>17884838
>Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.

>And suddenly his cock was out, jutting upward from his breeches like a fat pink mast.

>She was sopping wet when he entered her. “Damn you,” she said. “Damn you damn you damn you.” He sucked her nipples till she cried out half in pain and half in pleasure. Her cunt became the world.

>Rain lashed at his face, blinding him. His mouth was full of blood again. The ship groaned and growled beneath him like a constipated fat man straining to shit.

>Ser Alliser Thorne walked from the room so stiffly it looked as though he had a dagger up his butt.

>The three men were erect. The sight of their arousal was arousing.

>"Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night."

>"Ten thousand of your children perished in my palm, Your Grace. Whilst you snored, I would lick your sons of my face and fingers one by one, al those pale sticky princes. You claimed your rights, my lord, but in the darkness I would eat your heirs."

>Tyrion reflected on the men who had been Hand before him, who had proved no match for his sister’s wiles. How could they be? Men like that... too honest to live, too noble to shit, Cersei devours such fools every morning when she breaks her fast.

>Her loins ached from the urgency of his love making. It was a good ache.

>It was pink and hard and when he sucked on it, her milk filled his mouth, mingling with the taste of rum, and he had never tasted anything so fine and sweet and good.

>The rain stopped and started again and stopped once more and started, but they had good cloaks to keep the water off.

>“Had there ever been a woman with nipples so large, so brown, or so responsive?"

>>17884838
>the more she drank the more she shat

>>17884846
>>17884851
lmao literally one second apart, it’s hilarious that that’s the first line they thought of when you said that

>>17884846
>>17884851

>>17884846
Most of these aren't even bad.

>>17884924
damn you damn you damn you

>>17884891

>>17884891
Gold

>>17884924
Nipples so large so brown so responsive

Any good books where the main character is a beastman?

>>17884924
the more she drank

the more she S H A T

>>17884930
Bad

>>17885010
Not great but fine in context

>>17885041
Unironically good and there's a reason you have those lines memorized

>>17883428
It was shit after season 3 and it was hilarious how the jews directing it took a giant shit on all the dumb cattle that loved it. Truly based jews.

>>17884846
>>17884891
Fuck, Martin! Really had to explicitly emphasise her shittying.

>>17885142
>there's a reason you have those lines memorized
Yes because it's a graphic depiction of a character shitting herself for hours on end for literally no reason

I've been thinking of going back to an old idea from when I was a kid. I used to make little people out of twisty-ties about half-an-inch tall and write stories about them. I had this stupid idea that gunpowder wouldn't work for them (but apparently everything else was normal) so they used crossbows, bows, spears, and swords, as well as having mounted automatic crossbows and some pneumatic guns and such but these were very heavy. They most lived in fear of humans and hid from them and there was a general pact/oath they were all bound by to never reveal themselves to humans. I had them fighting robots made by a human lab that had discovered them, but also just generally going on adventures and such. Even had one where they had a duel with robots balanced on the edge of a house fan. Or a swordfight with each other inside a tube of electrical wires where one dodged a thrust, the guy ends up stabbing the electrical wire and electrocuting himself. Over time I added some bandit nations. Some of them had genocidal motivations against humanity, while most of the little people treated humanity like a force of nature that simply had to be endured (like hurricanes).

Anyway, these were very childish stories. I guess in some ways it is inherently childish. I was thinking of going back. I did write a bit of something when I was 17 or 18 (which was almost ten years ago) which had my old main character get swept into a human laboratory where they were studying the little people, and using tiny robots to keep them in order. The leader of the "resistance" had plans to gas the lab and kill as many humans as possible then shoot the survivors in the eyes with tiny capsacin arrows, but the others thought he was nuts for trying to go up against humanity, and the guy basically told them they were pussies for wanting to take the slaughter of their people laying down. That was probably the closest I ever had to something compelling.

I like the idea now of writing something where several nations of these little people live in the fields and tree copses of a cloverleaf on ramp by a highway. There would be interesting terrain and strategies for these small nations to wage war on each other for resources. Maybe it's just cause I'm reading game of thrones lately. I had a huge 300k words story that was completely separate but I haven't worked on it for like 4 years now, it was autistic unpublishable trash anyway...

Any thoughts on this? Would you find it interesting? What would be required for you to find it interesting?

>>17885365
sounds cool

>>17885238
I can tell you "she shat herself" and you won't remember I said it tomorrow. But Martin wrote it that way, and it lives in your head. It was just a woman shitting herself. It didn't need to be discussed in detail. The book didn't even need to mention it. But it did, and you remember it. That is the only real hallmark for effective prose that I can think of.

>>17885365
Everyone wants to write their own ASOIAF after they read the first few books. Just don't try to write ASOIAF and you'll be good. Make it a contained story about a single protagonist with a theme and maybe even a moral.

>>17879875
Fuck off with your stupid anime dude, I will kill you if you don't stop seriously

/sffg/, it took a ridiculous amount of effort but I finally got fan art of my MC that I'm satisfied with

>>17884846
>"Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night."

please tell me this was irony

>>17885482
fine in context

>>17885238
what do you mean no reason

>>17885542
oh god, it wasn't irony? it was cold steely?

>>17885667
there's a lot of context to it but it does make sense, character saying it is sort of toungue in cheek and his brother is the sword of the morning etc

>>17885674
>toungue in cheek
ah yes, the grrm audience

>>17885383
>Everyone wants to write their own ASOIAF after they read the first few books
Yeah I would agree there. I wanna make it more like Dune... a book where there's a weird environment and really think out how people would adapt to it. I've thought out a lot of this before but I was like 13 when I really worked on it now I'm almost 30. So I can probably be a bit more realistic with it.

>>17885750
Just read Story Genius before you start.

>>17881577
>GoT would still be remembered fondly if the last seasons were just ok because of all the goodwill. But it was so bad that everything just turned to shit. The showrunners exposed themselves as frauds and nepotistic jews.
Any fantasy books about a shark girl trying to make a living in the surface world by streaming games?

>>17881577
Any fantasy books about a shark girl trying to make a living in the surface world by streaming games?

anyone notice that the sandersoy hasn't posted in months and there's one or two anti bakker posters that have "mysteriously" appeared?

what's the best brief bakker quote that isn't
>Does it trouble you?

>>17886511
>Not everyone can be saved.

“What lesson might that be?”

“That the lessons never end.” He laughed, gingerly sipped his steaming tea. “That ignorance is infinite.”

“How,” she asked, at once earnest and delighted, “can anyone presume to be certain?” Kellhus smiled in the devilish way she so adored.

“They think they know me,” he said.


BRAVO BAKKER

>>17881668
He is an immense faggot who reads older epics only because people will make fun of his genre and comic book tastes.

>>17886511
>We are a race of lovers.

Really enjoy The Dark Tower series and Hyperion. I like the sci-fi/fantasy elements combined with dark psychological horror and maybe time fuckery.
Anything else like this? I love floating around in my kayak and listening to this shit on audible.

>>17886720
>The Dark Tower series
harry potter
rick riordan's later works
asoiaf

>>17886720
BOTNS

>>17884787
Correct. That way you can understand just how shit modern stuff is in comparison.

Tolkien's works can only be fully appreciated when you realise that nobody even comes fucking close to him in terms of well-roundedness as a fantasy storyteller. Some people have the prose, some the worldbuilding, some the characters. Not a one of them combines it like the big T.

>>17886755
That's been at the top of the list for awhile now. Actually was a toss up between BOTNS and Dark Tower, but went with Dark Tower because people were saying BOTNS is a bit hard on audibook format.

>>17886763
Bakker

>better prose
>worse worldbuilding though it's pretty good
>Bakker's characters have more depth to them, but that doesn't make them better, doesn't make them worse either

>>17886790
Bakker is bad.

>>17886835
lol

>>17886765
BOTNS is great. As long as you can focus on the audiobook you'll be fine. If you're doing some other shit you'll get lost and not know what the fuck is going on.

>>17886835
Bakked is based. BASED!!!

>>17886790
>better prose
No. You must be on some kind of serious drug to think that.
>worse worldbuilding though it's pretty good
Pretty good compared to Tolkien for fantasy isn't worth much though. Hell even very good isn't worth much, given Tolkien is quite literally second to none.
>Bakker's characters have more depth to them, but that doesn't make them better, doesn't make them worse either
Eh, Tolkien wasn't really going for or putting any particular focus on the complexity of his cast. Guess it depends on if you go for sophistication/layers vs purpose in the narrative.

>>17886720
> Hyperion
Its straight up jewish agenda.

What's /sffg/'s favourite chinkshit?

I've avoided Tolkien on the basis that if people like him he must be shit but I suppose I should read him just in case.
Which of his books are the most concise? I don't want six million chapters of world building in fact I think just explaining the world to the reader is the sign of a hack, I just want nice story telling.

>>17887889
I'm going to be optimistic and assume you aren't just trolling.
Tolkein wrote Lord of the Rings and that's it. He has some short story collections, he wrote some poetry, some literary criticism, etc, but in terms of books, he wrote the Lord of the Rings (which I'm including the Hobbit in). You read that or you don't read anything. The Hobbit is a kid's book and doesn't get heavy on middle-earth lore like the later books, so maybe start with that.

>>17887910
Thank you anon, I'm not trolling but I am a cross poster.
>He has some short story collections
That's the kind of stuff I was thinking about. I've found short stories showcase the best aspects of authors. I'll go read the hobbit then.

>>17887676
I like the three body problem, even if the conclusion is fucking shit.

>>17884565

>>17886835
objectively false

>>17886511
it’s >>17886520
and
>I STAND WHERE MY BROTHER STOOD
>HOW. I HATE. THIS WORLD.
>HER PLUMMET.
>NO. I AM MORE.

Anyone else every feel like all these books are either
>Well written but using the same old boring tropes and themes
or
>Terribly written but trying to do something new

>>17888917
Nope. Scifi/fantasy literature is so vast a scope that I would never try to be so reductive. As a suggestion, try not to even think about tropes/etc while reading. Something isn't fundamentally better because it's not a trope, that is, works don't become good specifically because they are subversive, and works don't become bad specifically because they aren't subversive. You can try to force all manner of things into tropes and tired themes if you try, but it's really a pointless gesture, and you would be better suited to just enjoying the works as they are without trying to label them so much.

>>17888917
>Well written but using the same old boring tropes and themes
God I fucking wish more of that existed

>>17888998
>its not better because its not a trope
not inherently. but reading the same story with the same characters, with the same tacked on love plot 100 times gets tiring.

>>17889668
It's not the same story, nor is it the same characters. Rarely are things so similar, even things which openly ape the work of another. A writer's individuality and perspective will inevitably show in their work and make it something unique to them. What you're doing is what I said, "forcing all manner of things into tropes and tired themes", when in reality you should be attempting to appreciate them on their own merits. You can force everything into the Hero's Journey and roll your eyes every time the protagonist gets with a girl, since it resembles tropes in one way or another, or you could shed your mind of this shallow thinking and see the work for what it really is.

>>17883071
>how are my fellow writerchads doing?
Terrible. Every time time I sit to write my heart wants to write scifi but my mind says I should be trying for something more mature. Can’t get over being a huge faggot basically.

>>17889737
Write what you want to write man. If your heart isn't in it, your writing will be affected severely and it will be more of a chore than a hobby or passion. One of the first things Robert McKee teaches new writers is to "write what you love, write what you believe." Who the fuck cares if its not mature? There are grown-ass adults writing erotic literature and fanfiction, they don't give a shit

Facebook keeps recommending this, anyone have a review?

>>17890028
How is the cover not all the review you need? Jesus Christ

>>17890028
>"One of the best damn bounty hunters. Period." James Brownstone

>Johnny Walker was a good bounty hunter in his day. James Brownstone good.

>But everybody has a line. Johnny found his when his teenage daughter was murdered. Who was the killer? Even Johnny couldn’t figure it out.

>Everybody’s favorite Dwarf retreated to his cabin in the swamp with his two hound dogs by his side, and retired with his guns, his whiskey and his memories.

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>Johnny can’t say no this time.

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>Dwarf the Bounty Hunter is back to kick ass and take names. Or maybe just kick ass.

>What will he do when the clues connect to the fifteen-year-old cold case of his daughter’s murder?

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>>17881718
>several dunyain one of which could use magic
Nyo, I don't think so.

>>17882985
Wolfe and then never read fantasy ever again

>>17886594
kek

Are there fantasy scientific books? Like encyclopedias of cryptides and other fantasy beings? What about other types of scientific publications?

>>17891353
I picked up a few books that could fit that description at book fairs at school when I was a wee lad. There was one with dragons, one with horror movie shit and one about ayy lmaos. I wonder if I still have them actually

Recommend me some good cyberpunk books please lads. I've read the Takeshi Kovacs series, Neuromancer and Snow Crash so far.

What are some decent modern sword and sorcery works?
What do you look for in sword and sorcery?
I'm planning on writing a ton of sword and sorcery novels akin to Elric, small books that you can carry around and read in a few hours for about five bucks.

>>17888917
more like
>Terribly written and using the same old boring tropes and themes

>>17890028
Now that's some premium trash

>>17891906
Ubik

>>17891906
read more gibson, also wetware and vurt

>>17891915
I don't think you know what sword and sorcery is... it doesn't exist anymore

>>17890637
he explicitly immobilised kelmomas using magic lol

>>17891915
>In the tradition of authors like Jack Vance and Robert E. Howard comes an anthology of wonder, adventure, fantasy, and the strange. Schuyler Hernstrom brings fantasy short fiction back to its roots with four short stories and a novella. Each story is a paean to the genre from the days when lurid paperbacks called to us from rickety spinner racks, Burroughs reprints alongside Moorcock and Jakes and many others. This is a collection to savor on a lazy afternoon, a trip into the weird and heroic. Sometimes wry, sometimes brutal, and always entertaining. Grim warlords and dark prophecy, selfish wizards and beautiful women, strange aliens and fatal hubris, all contained within its pages. This anthology will delight the connoisseur who prefers an older vintage and makes no apology. In the fantasy genre what was old is new again. So get in your airbrushed van and buckle up.

>>17892836
Explain yourself, retard.

>>17893092
Not when you ask like that. You are most likely a redditor who thinks if something has swords and sorcery in it it's part of the genre.

S & S is inseperable from a worldview, context and format that no longer exists.

Recommend a good wuxia/xianxia webnovel. I've partially read and enjoyed:

Against the Gods (harem too big)
Tales of Demons and Gods (my 1st wuxia, best waifus, author won't finish)
Martial World (best protagonist)
Martial Peak (currently reading)
I Shall Seal the Heavens (dropped after 100 chapters)
Coiling Dragon (best translation but I dropped it early)

All of the above novels are pulpy low-brow fantasy (except maybe the last two), but I still enjoy them. The characters and action, are full of tropes and are repetitive. And the translations and editing can be downright trash at times. What is considered the best novel in this genre?

Today I went on a hike at the nature preserve with friends and my dog. Now I am resting in bed with my cats and listening to music for inspiration. Later I will write the climactic chapter of my novel and see if I have enough energy left to finish the rest of the draft.

How was your day, /wg/?

>>17893136
>I won't explain myself!
>Explains himself
Pussy

>>17893484
This is not /wg/. I am ashamed and will delete my post.

>>17893136
You are still a pussy.

>>17887667
Interesting.

https://investigationsandfantasies.com/2014/08/06/the-once-and-future-jews-of-dan-simmons/

What do I read next, bros?
>golem100 - Alfred Bester
>the day it rained forever - Ray Bradbury
>the sword of shannara - Terry Brooks
>head crash - Bruce Bethke
I need to take some weight off this shelf because it's slowly peeling itself out of the wall and I'm too lazy to fix it.

What is /sffg/'s opinion on Monster Hunter International? I've listened to the first 5 audiobooks. Earl Harbinger is a badass, but his daughter is a Mary Sue for Owen. Agent Franks is a neat concept. Best books for me so far was Alpha and Legion. I do like the background mythos. And the elves and gnomes were funny as fuck.

>>17886835
>They hated him because he spoke the truth.

>>17886511
>Show them my portion.
>Tell me... Have you grasped the Absolute?
>You *fed* them? Proyas, what else would you do?
>Something must be eaten.
>Song has fled the Mountain.
>Indeed, my heart is *gladdened!*
>ALL FATHERS BEAT THEIR SONS.
>Don't trust Hi–

>>17893866
>>17888916
Without context this reads like a AI-generator literature bot.

>>17886511
>Madness knows no bridle but the knife.

>>17893866
I STAND WHERE MY BROTHER STOOD

>Proyas paused, realized he was panting. He felt crazed and confused, as though he suffered some residue of the fevers. The great, age-worn stones of the barbican seemed to wheel about him. If only, he thought madly, Triamis had built these walls with bread!

>The old Conriyan proverb was true: no friend was more generous than the one who has seduced your wife .

What is the meaning of a deluded life?

—AJENCIS, THE THIRD ANALYTIC OF MEN

“The thoughts of all men arise from the darkness. If you are the movement of your soul, and the cause of that movement precedes you, then how could you ever call your thoughts your own? How could you be anything other than a slave to the darkness that comes before?”

>>17893136
So there's no modern day sword and sorcery around?
What are some examples beyond Conan and Elric?

>>17894428
kane karl edward wagner.

Sword and sorcery can't exist outside of short stories, simple as.

>>17893476
>Against the Gods (harem too big)
My current favourite, but I completely agree on the harem (the author will NEVER kill a love interest, no friend or family of the mc will ever die, no suspense or anything; every woman described for more than 2 paragraph is gonna be fucked by mc, ALWAYS)
>Tales of Demons and Gods (my 1st wuxia, best waifus, author won't finish)
ENDING NEVER EVER
>Martial World (best protagonist)
I agree, loved the mc but the romance sucked for me and the story felt too dragged when he got to the tower.
>I Shall Seal the Heavens (dropped after 100 chapters)
I got to 303 and then dropped it, it lasted longer than Renegade Immortal.
>Coiling Dragon (best translation but I dropped it early)
Same.
>Martial Peak (currently reading)
Not reading it.

Refining the Mountains and Rivers start pretty good, but it's basically "A Record of a Mortal’s Journey to Immortality", so read that instead (I dropped it at chapter 2000 or so, the low level stuff is really good tho)
I liked also City of Sin and Warlock of the Magus World even though they're not Xianxia, but I tend to drop them when the power creep becomes a wank fest.

>>17894428
Fafhrd and Grey Mouser

>>17893866
>>17893953
these are great
thanks bros, if you find any more i'd appreciate it

>>17893611
Kind of alright but I completely lost interest when it devolved into muh lovecraftian horrors. I am so sick of everything having a generic Help Me Niggerman villain.

What was that site where all of the notable scifi/fantasy writers were listed and ranked using asterisks next to their names?
like ***** would be a master
vance, wolfe, tolkien etc were on there with their own paragraphs of critique on their years of writing

the website had a yellow/light brown background I think and used to get linked here

>>17893476
The Wallet of Kai Lung

>>17895138
https://greatsfandf.com/Authors/master-list.php

>>17886511
>WHAT DO YOU SEE
>CUNNY
>we are a race of lovers
the last one is actually fantastic. based bakker

>>17887676
reverend insanity of course. its literally too based for china and the author actually has some talent

>>17893476
>best novel in the genre
reverend insanity of course although actual chinks seem to like issth the most because they have shit taste. Seconding the other anon reccing mortals journey toward immortality and wmw. In both of them the low level stuff is really good and they get worse (some of the later parts of wmw are really bad)

>>17879875
I want pirate mommy to sit on my face

>>17886301
My diary

The next Cradle book is up on Amazon and is coming out April 6.

Hmmm what’s up with this guy and his work on Wolfe

>>17895558
Surprisingly fast

>>17895668
Jealousy.

>>17893476
Reverend Insanity, obviously. Then Warlock of the Magus World. Follow that up with The Legendary Mechanic.

>>17894454
Elric of Melnibone had been put together in novels.

Give a nigger a chance
>>17896837

>>17885040
>Any good books where the main character is a beastman?
The Shattered World by Michael Reaves. A very memorable book for me.

>>17891906
Hardwired by Walter Jon Williams is a cyberpunk book that you dont see very often

>>17895668
Schizophrenia

>>17885712
I accept your concession

“What do you mean?” She glanced up at him—she was about to twist the button right off—and he hastily added, “You are one of the least foolish people I know.” He clamped his teeth shut before he could add “most of the time,” and was glad he had when she smiled.

“That is very nice of you to say, but I was.” She patted the coat button and began adjusting his coat—which it did not need—and smoothing his lapels—which they did not need. “You were so silly,” she said, speaking too fast, “just because that young man looked at me—really, he is much too boyish; not at all like you—that I thought I would make you jealous—just a little—by pretending—just pretending—to be attracted to Lord Luc. I should not have done it. Will you forgive me?”

He tried to sort through the jumbled words. It was good she thought Wil was boyish—if he tried to grow a beard it would probably be straggly—but she had not mentioned the way she returned Wil’s look. And if she had been pretending to be attracted to Luc, why had she blushed that way? “Of course I forgive you,” he said. A dangerous light appeared in her eyes. “I mean, there’s nothing to forgive.” If anything, the light sparkled hotter. What did she want him to say? “Will you forgive me? When I was trying to chase you away, I said things I shouldn’t have. Will you forgive me that?”

“You said some things that need forgiving?” she said sweetly, and he knew he was in trouble. “I cannot think what, but I will take it into consideration.”
OMG HOW I HATE THE PUSSY ASS MALES AND THE BITCH FEMALES IN THIS SHIT
keep in mind the guy just lost all of his family in a massacre, all of those he loved deeply, all of those he cared for above anything else even his own life, and he has to put up with this shit. I'm almost dropping the series holy shit.

>>17897494
Stick it out through Perrin's awful chapters and you get based Mat slaying puss. I like WoT but yeah, the Perrin plotline sucks ass at best.

What's the best translated version of A Roadside Picnic to purchase? Trying to read something other than newspapers and comic books

>>17897504
At least he beat the shit out of her a few chapters back. But you are right, I'm only in this for more than anything rand at this point. It's been fun to see him slowly going insane.

Has Dick written a single bad book?

>>17897979
almost all of them are bad

>>17896745
wrong

>>17897566
Did he really?

>>17898416
I'm reading them.
The Sailor on the Seas of Fate is the second novel (though chronologically third) in the Elric series.

>>17899388
No, he took two slaps in the face while telling her to stop then she punched him in the abdomen and he grabed her by the heck, but I need him have SOME balls so I put the beating in there in my head.

>>17893085
Thanks for this. I'll check it out.

So it was in the other Wolfe thread that I read some theory that Severian may have forged the docs in Palermon's studies to get Thecla executed. Why would he do that if he's in love with her?

>>17899591
Well I don't know anon, all the context you need to make an informed decision occurs within about five or ten pages so maybe you can go back and read those and tell us what you think :)

Maps in the front of the book or the end?

>>17899763
The front.

>>17899591

Up to that point Severian had constantly been saying, "This was when I became a man."
He finally becomes a Journeyman Torturer and his first duty is to bring another woman down to the cells.
Thecla sees him coming down and starts talking to the other prisoner and calls Severian a very sweet "boy" and totally humiliating him without knowing or intention.
In a very edgy teen moment he forges the orders without thinking it through.
Later he greatly regrets this.

I'm having so much trouble getting through the fall of Hyperion. The first book has pretty interesting arcs for each character but this is so damn slow, nothing is happening halfway through.
At this point I don't think I'll keep going to Endymion.

>>17899862
don't the first book is the only one worth reading.

>>17882715
>>17882623
Traditionalist in the sense of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_School

Essentially it states that there is such a thing as A Priori knowledge. The darkness that comes before, as stated by Kellhus but also in postmodernist/poststructualist thought, is a refutation of A Priori knowledge and instead states that all morals, customs, traditions etc are merely based on subjective interactions and "language games".

>>17899797
Oh man. Time for my 3rd reread through with that painful fact in my head now. Is there any theories what the mandragora is? They feel like failed testube clones by Inire to create the messiah to lead them to the new sun. He has like perfect immunity when he swims in the filth of where they play so he seems to be like some kind of perfect superhuman specimen when he describes others getting sick and dying.

>>17899936
A Priori knowledge is generally linked to metaphysics, the existence of an Eternal plane outside of our physical one, which is a mere reflection of the former. At one point Kellhus even goes into the concept of the One, the Eternal of whom all souls are but fractions of. This is also manifested in the thousand that are one/ the fragmented god.

So Bakker is literally writing about a postmodernist in a Trad world

I finished the Johannes Cabal series last night, and I'm kind of annoyed that the last book, the one he spends a multi page intro telling you ties up all the plot threads, ties up basically none of the plot threads. The first two books were very satisfying, but I didn't love anything after that. Still, as Artemis Fowl with more sex and violence I'm inclined to say it succeeds

>>17880109
>>17880535
I concur

>>17895668
He's an real Wolfe scholar but not as good as Andre-Driussi or as weirdly compelling as Borski. I do not agree with some of what he says but he's quite good

>>17899944
I never gave it much thought before...it was put there during a time when the Autarch still resided at the citadel. Inire is old but I don’t think he’s that old. I think it was Ymar trying to preserve whatever the hierogrammates saw as “almost just” about him.

To persons, who've read Arthur C. Clarke's Rama books 1--4,
would you reread them?
what would you change, if anything?

Is Hyperion really worth reading if I enjoyed The Terror?

>>17900439

I've only the first. I never felt like it needed sequels, the ending "Wham Moment" was so perfect.

How are they?

>>17900586
It is a totally different novel in theme.

Both are excellent on their own pillars.

>2021... I am forgotten

>>17900642
Heard first 15' of the first - uploaded whole on yt, saw there were 4, and pondered the time investment.
Hate it when each subsequent book get sloppier and takes a massive dump on the previous writing.
I'll give the first a go, thanks for input.

>>17900681
He’s a twitch streamer now.

>>17901007
That's retarded, but I believe it

>>17900439
The sequels aren't worth reading and were mostly written by Gentry Lee anyway.

>>17901007
Is anyone not a twitch streamer now?

I've seen this posted around these threads as if it's good, just finished it and have to warn you that it's not good. My main complaint is "woman villain in fiction" or;
>nooooooo you can't just judge women by the same standards!!!!!
>she's killed countless women but she's a woman so we have to forgive her!!!
>it's okay sweaty you can do whatever you wat you beautiful baby it's all justified because you were ugly and needed money for plastic surgery
>but we're gonna totally mindwipe some guy you manipulated into helping you and everyone you suckered onto to use in your nefarious schemes is a totally evil villain but you're an innocent angel :)
I HATE WOMEN SO GODDAMN MUCH ARGHHHHHHHHHHH
Actually now that I think about it there was a whole section where he mixed up all sorts of drugs and did psychiatric research so he could get into the mindset of a woman who is as much of a deranged killer as she is, and then this is totally forgotten later on and her whole psychology is apparently totally different. Really makes you wonder what the point of an entire chapter was.

Read Malazan
>read Malazan
Read Malazan
>read Malazan
Read Malazan

>>17901385
>Anyone of value
I cannot picture Sanderson and Bakker streaming together.

>>17879875
I'm going to be on a plane for 8 hours in a few days. Someone recommend me an exciting fantasy book to read.

>>17902374
inb4 read the sticky

>>17902377
Anime is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be.. unnatural.

>>17902374
Hyperion

>>17902374
Read the entire cradle series

>>17886511
>Whore after all.

>>17901816
>I HATE WOMEN SO GODDAMN MUCH ARGHHHHHHHHHHH
Watch vtubers.

>fan illustrations are better than the author's descriptions
Are there any writers who've managed to convey just how monumental and awe-inspiring the buildings they've imagined are to their reader?

>>17903187

>>17903195

>>17903187
Dune

>>17903204
Dune does BIG very well.

>>17903187
I really wished authors allowed artist to interpret some of their works

>>17897494
how did you even get that far if the likes of these trigger you.

>>17903432
Spite?

>>17903432
It's most likely the sunk-cost fallacy at work.

>>17903415
In the books themselves, or are you talking about the kind of author who attacks fans for making fan art? A lot of fantasy and sci-fi could do with more illustration than just a generic, paint by the numbers cover showing its protagonist and a ghostly background.

>>17903492
In the books themselves. Don't know why they don't do it.

>>17903204
penis

>>17903503
>Don't know why they don't do it.
Fanta- I mean specutaltive fiction is super serious business and pictures are for pulps and children's books.

>>17903550
Oh definitely. There's one in /QTDDTOT/ that I've been reading. Shit is great.

https://sites.google.com/site/worldofserina/

>>17903572
Well they're a great deal prettier than Life After Man but I've always enjoyed fiction too much to enjoy speculative "fiction" like that. Evolution isn't the most exciting storyline, the most adaptable to change always wins. Fantastic illustrations though.

>>17903633
At this point, I take what I can get, still understand your sentiment.

>Read a books blurb
>Tells me ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the plot or characters
>Instead it's full of a bunch of vague emotional statements

I hate when authors do this.

>>17903658
You know a book is shit when they do this.

>>17903658
>find a neat looking book at the dime store
>read the blurb
>"Book Seven in the Saga of the Sages"
Every fucking time.

>>17903637
Are you reading anything similar at the moment?

>>17903662
Fuck, I bought an Amazon bundle not knowing I was buying the sequel.

>>17903666
No, I'm still reading that.

>>17903666
Nice trips, do you have anymore recommendations.

>>17903677
New thread.

>>17903684
Why did you make a new thread before the bump limit?

>>17903683
Dougal Dixon's The New Dinosaurs, After Man, the infamous Man After Man.
There's that other one with the Qa'a or something set in the far future after mankind has been all but wiped out by a genocidal space empire and re-evolves on a thousand different alien worlds but I'll have to look for the title.

>>17903684
>Making a new thread before the bump limit.
For what reason?

>>17903698
>Dougal Dixon's The New Dinosaurs, After Man, the infamous Man After Man.
>There's that other one with the Qa'a or something set in the far future after mankind has been all but wiped out by a genocidal space empire and re-evolves on a thousand different alien worlds but I'll have to look for the title.
I also heard, never read it myself, about a book set in some ice age with some humans. The Author is infamous for how long the books take.

>>17903702
Why would that happen?

>>17903705
Dougal's Man After Man has a hypothetical ice-age leading to a drier, grassier Earth (rather the opposite of where we think we're actually going now)

>>17903709
>Man After Man
Is that the book where Human earthlings went extinct?

>>17903705
Also Weta Workshop's art book for the 2005 King Kong book has some amazingly nasty looking bugs, dinosaurs and other reptiles. 65 million years of evolution concentrated on a tiny little island makes absolute monsters out of everything, especially the gorillas.

just got this, is it a good introduction to asimov?

>>17903732
God, what I would give for Speculative zoology or Biology to be more well-known.

>>17903707
I don't know, why would someone make a thread before the bump limit?

>>17880774
Soldier of Sidon, but you should read the Mist books first, which are in ancient Greece

>>17903187
Bakker, nonquestion