/lit/ - Literature

>>17871748
Short answer Yes.
Long answer, read his books.

>>17871748
Midwit trash

>>17871748
Even if he was right, what hope do you have of achieving that? Had he succeeded, one might say that his murders were justifiable in the end, but he couldn't do, and all he ended up doing was intensifying the suffering of the world. Unless you have a very good plan, there's no reason to bother.

>>17872003
If he is right then shouldn’t we at the least have an obligation to try?

While I agree with the sentiment, reasoning and idealism of Ted, over the years I've begun questioning if it is indeed the "solution".

Mankind's advancement towards industrialization is done to minimize suffering. The inherent value of suffering is to get people out of bed, and do something productive. This productivity eventually minimizes / removes the suffering, which causes the need for productivity to cease to exist, until said suffering is (re)introduced (again) in some fashion , similar or different.

This is why , as far as I know of, there can't be a grand narrative solution of this particular problem, since by nature it is self defeating. Personally, I see the current developments to be a giant litmus test. Rather than trying to force an early collapse to minimize damage, I believe we need to have giant ramifications and casualties if we want mankind to move in an empowering fashion, rather than towards the insanity and self-defeatism we are currently moving towards.

>>17872306
>Mankind's advancement towards industrialization is done to minimize suffering.
Yes but Teds point is that it actually elongates our suffering. Also life should not be lived just for Hedonic base pleasure, so I disagrees with the entire premise that industrial society is working towards. All it intentions amount to is BNW and soma, which deprives us of our humanity. Suffering gives life meaning, to rid it is to rid ourselves of purpose.

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> I believe we need to have giant ramifications and casualties if we want mankind to move in an empowering fashion
And this would take the form as what?

No.
We should retain the spirit of man that Ted intended to liberate but not fight a futile battle and instead exploit the industrial society for our own artistic and violent desires since even in pre-industrial society we would not have wanted to submit to the feminized, academic and torpid hedonistic life.

>>17872238
Try how?

>>17871748
His diagnosis right, his medicine wrong.

>>17872565
Well I’m not saying to mail people bombs. But I believe we can try, by refusing to participate in the system in every way plausibly possible, to live frugally and ideally away from cities. To build communities with like minded individuals based upon shared values, to have families and raise them, to not mindlessly consume, in all ways possible to opt out of the status quo system that seeks to deprive us as this guy said >>17872377
of the spirit of man.

Ted should've read the Greek tale of Pandora's Box, if he ever did he could've spared us his rage manifesto at not being able to live in the woods without hearing the sound of an internal combustion engine.

>>17872353
>it actually elongates our suffering

Correct. This is the folly of man.

>Life should not be lived just for Hedonic base pleasure

I agree, and yet this is currently the case for the vast majority of people.

>Suffering gives life meaning, to rid it is to rid ourselves of purpose

Agreed. Man throughout the ages has come to face many adversaries. In it's early stage, it was man versus nature. Man invented civilization in order to conquer it. Later, the main adversary was Man versus Man. This will hopefully never be "solved". Lastly, the youngest of the adversaries, and one I believe to be Man's greatest one, is Man versus Himself.

>And this would take the form as what?

Who knows anon, that will not depend on those who weather the storm, but by those who survive it and their teachings. Perhaps this is just one of the many, many cycles of civilization that we are seemingly doomed to endlessly repeat. I believe we need a(nother) grand narrative that pushes us forward. Maybe in the form of religion, maybe in the form of spiritualism combined with psychology, I don't know. All I know is that man is lost without a sense of purpose that guides him forward, and a good story is as good of a place to start as any.

>>17872353
>Suffering gives life meaning
Mega cope

>>17872735
What’s wrong with coping?

Isn’t life a cope faggot?