/lit/ - Literature

>>17862599
They’re anti semitic and/or collectivists

>another JP thread
just search the archive
sage goes in all fields

>>17862599
He promulgates traditional conservative values as solutions to every possible burden of life as if he’s some kind of modern philosophical messiah while getting so fucked up on benzos he nearly died. His entire political philosophy is bullying trans kids and hating the institution that’s employed him and given him the time and resources to write long and overly dense extremely expensive hardbacks that are just a shittier version of hero with a thousand faces.

There are so many reasons why he’s shitty, but his lectures were so fun as a “discovery” all those years ago. He’s not an academic, he’s a grifter.

>>17862599
>4 pakis in the background
Lol

>>17862626
>His entire political philosophy is bullying trans kids
Wtf, I love JBP now

>>17862599
>Wash your penis
>Crab hierarchies

>>17862626
>academic
>grifter
You act like there is a distinction.

>>17862626
ywnbaw

>>17862650
Why would I ever want to be a woman, faggot. A woman can’t be gay with her dad.

>>17862626
There's plenty of reasons to find fault with JBP but none of yours are good.

>>17862626

Okay, Libtard. We get it, you're a triggered SJW faggot who dabbles in woke virtue signalling and other dumb bs.

>muh tranny kids
Trans kids are just tolerated retards given a pass go from any psychiatric treatment.

>>17862599
He's just a Jung who's more friendly to Christianity.

>>17862676
Epic post. How’s being gay with your dad?

>>17862685
Gay, mostly.

>>17862691
Nice dude. Any tips, besides his?

>>17862699
It's all in here, friendo.

>>17862704
Books for the feel of this book?

>>17862599

/lit/ doesn't hate JP. /lit/ is the ultimate form of contrarian incel midwit discourse. /lit/ wants to tongue JP's anus while his daughter eats a raw chicken whole in the background.

>>17862626
>His entire political philosophy is bullying trans kids

>>17862725
I guess that’s how a woman is gay with her dad. Huh. I got proven wrong.

>>17862599
I don't hate him. I just don't find him interesting and there are a lot of people (not here) who insist he's profound. I read him when I first started reading non-fiction for fun and he was interesting, but I migrated from that to other non-fiction works that made me realize what he was presenting was quite shallow. Maybe when I read all of Jung and go back to read Peterson's thesis, which is supposedly related to Jungian psychology, I will start appreciating him again. As it stands I don't feel the need to read his books or watch his lectures. Although the early recordings of his Maps of Meaning class are quite good, I'll give him that.

>>17862735
obligatory

>>17862782
Is that Peterson's daughter? Man people weren't kidding about her being a thot.

Imagine raising Mikhaila with your 12 principles and this is the end result

Peterson's daughter and granddaughter about to go to church on Easter

>>17862599
I haven't read him and I don't care about him or what he has to say, but from my limited experience his fanbase seems to consist of midwits and soilents who need a daddy to tell them how to put their lives together. Whether or not that works for them, I cannot say.

Boomer psychologist who reduces religion to profane evolutionary drivel. Half of his bullshit could be considered post-modern but he paints post-modernism as his enemy, idk whats up with that.

>>17862626
Gr8 b8 m8, i r8 it 8/8

>>17864170
I didn’t read the book but aren’t the “rules” for boys only?

>>17862626
>bullying trans kids

>>17862666
Satan is right here

Just let the lefties have their Peterson hate general. It helps keeping the most autistic of them contained.

>>17862626
>His entire political philosophy is bullying trans kids
What fuck, I love JP now

>>17862599
Wash your penis!
Wash your penis!
Wash your penis!
Wash your penis!
Wash your penis!

I cant hear it anymore.

>>17862599
He's just aesthetically unappealing to me honestly.
Even if it were to improve my life, I don't want to be the type of guy who takes advice from Jordan Peterson

>>17862599
He can't make one point without going back on it immediately. His writing style is to avoid saying anything concrete. He is either a coward, and idiot or a con artist.

>>17862599
It's a mediatic construction. Advertisement. Absorbtion by Capitalism of it's own opposition. The guy didn't even read Hegel, nor Marx. I mean, i still haven't read Nietzche, and i will not criticize him, until i've read him.
Also, young men waste their time reading him, when there is so much better. In any case, it's not so bad, because these young people will be able to overcome him one day, make their antithesis synthesis, and become greater.

JP exclusively writes pseudo philosophical gobbledygook. He desperately tries to be like Nietzsche, but doesn’t have the balls to take actual risks for it, so everything he writes just boils down to mediocre lukewarm conservatism with a Jungian flavor.

Also, his retarded diet will probably end up killing him, after which his braindead followers, who are also mediocre minds, will lift JP to sainthood, though this is mostly because JP found a very convoluted and unconvincing way to make the painfully average appear as heroically profound, which is exactly what you want if you’re a dickless cuck, want excitement in your life, but don’t want to take actual risks

>>17864830

Based take, my friend.

>>17862618
first post only post

like the fellow, but his mental gymnastics around christianity is starting to vex me

>>17862599
Don't hate him is ideas just aren't worth my time. Everything of value he has ever said can be found in other authors

>>17862599

He's a sophist
/thread

>>17862599
/lit doesn't. some faggots and shills fo.

>>17862626
>His entire political philosophy is bullying trans kids
If it was true, it would actually be pretty based.

>>17862618
I'm both

>>17862626
God I wish this was true

>>17862645
im academic
can confirm

>>17862626
>His entire political philosophy is bullying trans kids
Based if true

>>17862599
I imagine it's jealousy of his reach (pre-coma). I found his early lectures interesting. The synthesis he outlines is interesting and somewhat contrary to what I was taught, managing to wed Larry W. Swanson's Neuroarchitecture to J.J. Gibson's Ecological Affordances in a significantly intuitive fashion (though not unique: see Julian Jaynes' The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind [1976] and Iain McGilchrist's The Master and His Emissary [2009]).

Psychoanalysists is utter bullshit.

>>17867392
Yep. The field is jewish bullshit through and through. From "u want to fk ur mum" to "genesis is a story of evolution".

>>17862599
he's ok when he stays in his lane but like all academics he's a hammer nail kinda guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M01XrJ7Govo&t=115s

>What's wrong with his books?
There's one problem with Peterson and his books: They're just not based, it's all very centrist. I doubt he will recover from this fact unless he calls for an armed insurrection or says the 'nigger word' on TV.

>>17867795
Retarded take, I honestly would agree with the statement "Psychoanalysis is utter bullshit" if it weren't for diluting faggots like yourself. You obviously know Freud has mostly been refuted thoroughly time and again, you obviously know one can't take Jung at face value, even he himself expresses it in his writing how all he does is interpretation and projection. They are the Juden from which Schizoanalysis sprouted, and all jewing has to be forgiven on account of birthing the most based delusion increasing machine to ever exist. JBP is an elaborate mold of a dumb person's idea of uni professor and a snake oil salesman that started believing in his medicine.

>>17862599
He's rich and famous while giving solid life advice that he personally doesn't follow. It's like a perfect storm of lit-trolling characteristics.

>>17864830
>his retarded diet will probably end up killing him,
His retarded diet has helped me out more than anything he has ever said.

>>17862599
He's just not grounded enough as a writer for me. And I don't mind effeminate men, but his whole Den Mother outlook doesn't resonate personally.

>>17862666
This

>>17862599
the 1st chapter about the lobster though was fucking amazing

>>17862782
If I looked that good, I'd show it off too.

>>17869786
... to your dad?

>>17862599
If you really want to know it's all laid out here. No I won't recap it myself because it's 2021 move on from this loser already. sage
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/03/the-intellectual-we-deserve

>>17869793
You having sexual hangups, anon? Do boobies give you the guilty tingles?

>>17862782
Before you jerk off, keep in mind that she only eats beef and salt. Imagine the shits, then jerk off.

His stuff is great although he is still working himself out. The people on this board that hate him are generally those that have reasons to feel threatened at looking at themselves. It you think he is anti trans you are either not intelligent or willfully ignorant. Or just maybe you are too young to understand beyond rebellion against your parents.

/lit/ is woke
simple as

>>17869852
>Imagine the shits
Small, infrequent, and solid. I also rarely fart anymore.

>>17862758
post /lit/ charts and reading lists that outline the 'original thinkers' who coined the theses he 'plagiarizes.' i wanna get off the bandwagon.

>>17862599
yo why does this look like a still from a rap video

>>17864558
>reverse image search
>0 results
Where the fuck is this photo from?

>>17862599
>/lit/ is full with basement incels.
>He told basement incels to do something with their life.
I wonder why does /lit/ hate him.

>>17867380
Jealousy can never be underestimated.

>>17867820
still outdone by Gould

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wcSSLo9TIs

>>17871332
Basement incels are exactly his audience. The kind of people to whom "clean your room" is a life changing revelation. When you life a terrible life it's great to hear that all you need to change is cleaning your own room, how all the people out there trying to improve society are actually fueled exclusively by ressentiment and how people with better education than you are actually brainwashed.
He even spouts verbatim incel rhetoric about how woman who use make up and don't want to be sexually harrassed are hypocrites (probably while suggesting his male audience "dress to impress").

>>17862626
What's wrong with bullying retarded children with mental disorder?

>>17871892
Let me correct myself.
>/lit/ is full with angry basement incels.
There are many clueless incels, who can be saved. But not on this board.

A very eloquent man. He shredded leftards on TV and they never forgave him for it.
Of course I never followed any of his rules. As a chad I make my own rules desu

>>17871892
>The kind of people to whom "clean your room" is a life changing revelation.
Women?

>>17871892
leftist idiot spotted. you've got that all wrong. you're stupid. go away

>>17862758
>a lot of people (not here) who insist he's profound
As someone who enjoys 12 rules to life (only one I've read so far not sure if I want to get 12 more rules seems kind of shill) I would say I found him profound more so that I learn a secret of life that I always knew but didn't fully grasp. Responsibility is good and hard things should be embraced. Unfortunately my dad was a loser that spent no time with me so this is probably why. For others who had good dads that book was probably the obvious info you learned at a young age.

>>17872073
*I would say I didnt find him profound more so that I learned.

>>17862599
He's good if you're an idiot manchild, but this board at least pretends not to be that, so they claim to not need him. If you've read any philosophy that is largely true.

There are these obvious lessons people learn when others are disappointed in you (as weak, self pitying, etc), but people seem to not learn them or didn't have the opportunity to do so, hence he is doing God's work. I have not read him, only seen an interview and read his occasional columns, he is saying very sensible things.

juden peterstein

I don't hate him at all, I just think he's representative of a dead strand of liberalism. He is still the kind of "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" Cold War liberal in a world where every single power center in society has moved on and use a different ideology to justify capitalism.

Global capitalism has zero use for 19th century liberal justifications for its existence, its justification is now solely resting on its ability to produce mountains of consumer goods and give a hip urban elite the ability to buy cheap take out food and travel the world inexpensively, it doesn't need suit-wearing academics to tell the masses that the individual not being able to create a new business is tyrannical any longer because we already live under a monopolistic regime where huge international corporations produce everything. Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations is dead.

>>17862599
only angry incels that feel atacked by his ideals hate him, you'll never read one of them refuting him, just generic horse shit comments like these >>17862626

Jordan Peterson is just the new David Foster Wallace in terms of his core message. I could do without the Christian shit but understand it’s an easy vehicle to shill those ideas to the masses. It’s not exactly like infinite jest gave people meaning in the modern world beyond “hurrrr he understands how hard it is and addiction durrrr”

>>17864170
You can get herpes even from birth you brainlet.

>>17864971
Yeah it's annoying.

>>17862599
He had a emotional breakdown over a simple childrens movie.

>>17873135
>simple
aint no such thing bucko

If anything, I've come to hate the knee-jerk, highly reductive responses to him more than I hate him directly.

>>17870673
I didn't say he plagiarized anything. He's a Jungian psychologist and I'm not, if I read his thesis without having a grounding in Jung I will probably not understand it. That was my point.

>>17869807
>“Meaning is manifestation of the divine individual adaptive path”
>“Meaning is the ultimate balance between… the chaos of transformation and the possibility and…the discipline of pristine order”
>“Meaning is an expression of the instinct that guides us out into the unknown so that we can conquer it”
>“Meaning is when everything there is comes together in an ecstatic dance of single purpose”
>“Meaning means implication for behavioral output”
>“Meaning emerges from the interplay between the possibilities of the world and the value structure operating within that world”

>>17862599
He's a pseud with no original thoughts, only other pseuds fall for his meme books

>>17873589
>there are actually people alive today, some even posting on this board right now, who unironically don’t think this man is a massive pseud
Holy shit, the absolute state of lobsters

unironically only pseuds hate him

>>17873728
I don't known f that's true, but the people who try to refute his use of the term "post-modern neo-marxism" often times make claims so reductive that they mischaracterize the relationship between Marxism and what could broadly be called postmodernism to almost the same extent he does.

>>17873728
>unironically only pseuds read him and follow his rules like divine revelation because their dads left them and the mediocre conservatism they subscribe to has utterly failed to live up to its promise and has lost virtually all credibility
Fixed and expanded

>>17873758
Well the only kind of Marxism that actually exists any longer is some kind of bougie pathos against capitalism, and not any real opposition to it.

In philosophical terms the phrase "post-modern neo-marxism" doesn't work, but obviously all the retarded intersectionalists and critical theorists will call themselves Marxists and Foucauldians and whatever else, because politics is just a brand to these people.

>>17873775
>Well the only kind of Marxism that actually exists any longer is some kind of bougie pathos against capitalism, and not any real opposition to it.
And I’m sure that’s the only brand that ever will exist, until the end of time. Because people never come up with new ideas

>>17873775
Sure but the relationship between the thinkers themselves is still more complex than the "Pomo means no metanarratives, but Marxism does a heckin' metanarrative, take that Jordan" responses we typically get.

>>17873787
I have zero idea what the fuck this response is supposed to mean.

>>17862782
I would breed her like a farm animal

>>17862599
he sounds like kermit the frog
and he's canadian

>>17873808
Well that response is as sophisticated as his own critique though. He literally reduces every single thinker on politics and economy after John Locke and Adam Smith to some kind of personal and resentful loser.

>>17873839
Sure, but I expect more from the self-proclained "theory experts" than I do from an obvious grifter.

>>17864175
Having half of your audience be midwits is pretty good. That’s probably as good as or better than most of the greats.

Congrats jbp

>>17873905
There are plenty of people who have the same opinion as Peterson about politics and economy, just calling someone a grifter doesn't make that opinion any less dumb.

>>17862666
This

>>17873956
Sure but a but it justifies having lower expectations for that person.

>>17862599
/lit/ hates Jordan Peterson because they meme "clean your room" to death and ignore maps of meaning.

>The kind of people to whom "clean your room" is a life changing revelation
you still deny the deeper message? and take it as only as literal "cleaning your room"? I thought the lefties just purposely misinterpreted him, like they do with everything, but it might be that you are just too stupid to understand.

>>17873635
he is precisely popular because of his original thoughts

>>17874296
>he is precisely popular because of his original thoughts
If by ‘original‘ you mean ‘mediocre’ and ‘bad’, then you’re definitely right

>>17873839
Which they are

>>17862599
They exist.

>>17862626
>His entire political philosophy is bullying trans kids and hating the institution that’s employed him

i dont really care for jp all that much but you're being a seething leftie, probably transsexual

I can't speak for /lit/ but for me it's his Jungianism and the fact psychology is a pseudoscience. I appreciate his politics but I detest what it's rooted in and how he got to it (liberalism, religion, Jung and a misunderstanding of leftest cannon). Because we share the same enemy I will continue to support him, but that support is weak like the support the allies gave Russia in WW2, convenience only.

>He peered quizzically into the question of his manhood, unaware of the advances of the virile young men immediately behind him, unaware that the outpouring of sexual frustration that would soon take him was all being recorded by one who decided that this event would not escape viral prevalence. The fully erect foot of phallus proceeding from the one with the bandana neared him as his trembling hands reached for that rigidly starched collar. He knew not the feeling, but felt it all the same as the gargantuan penises of the rest of the crew began to rise as well, following after their leader. The one with the phone reached down to grab his own regular-sized cock. He preferred to watch.

>>17875287
Insightful, thank you for your contribution.

>>17862626
so many angry incels struggling to give a coherent reply to this utterly based post

>>17874186
>ignore maps of meaning
nobody is reading that drivel

>>17875360
If you're too incompetent to read it you can watch his lectures

>>17862626
You're right, but these faggots are all 20 year old JP fans.

https://youtu.be/nqONu6wDYaE

>>17872988
No good in trying, he's an american

Dunno why /lit/ hates him, but I hate him for being just another conservashit intellectual that gets hyped up for no reason at all other than owning college kids and mass media libtards. I've yet to read something from him that is worthy of his status as an anti-hero that everyone else tries to hunt down.
There are other thinkers out there who can tell you much more about the world and the status quo than this nutcase, but they don't get much attention from incels and rightoids because they don't attribute all social problems to SJW's, liberal academia or some "postmodern neo-marxist" elite. His audience does not care about substance. They just want someone who can name the alleged boogeyman for the problems that they themselves and the system around them created.
There's also the fact that most of the time he has no idea what he's talking about in regards philosophy and political theory, but everyone outside of his audience knows that already.

>>17862662
Then what have I been doing???

>He, JORDAN B PETERSON, peered quizzically into the question of JORDAN B PETERSON'S manhood, unaware of the advances of the virile young men immediately behind him, unaware that the outpouring of sexual frustration that would soon take him, JORDAN B PETERSON, was all being recorded by one who decided that this event would not escape viral prevalence. The fully erect foot of phallus proceeding from the one with the bandana, JORGE PINGA DE LA GRANDE, neared him, JORDAN B PETERSON, as JORGE PINGA DE LA GRANDE DE LA LARGA'S trembling hands reached for that rigidly starched collar. He, JORDAN B PETERSON, knew not the feeling, but felt it all the same as the gargantuan penises of the rest of the crew began to rise as well, following after their leader, JORGE PINGA DE LA GRANDE DE LA LARGA DEL TORO. The one with the phone reached down to grab his own regular-sized cock. He preferred to watch.

>>17872065
Basement dweller detected.

>>17874296
>you still deny the deeper message? and take it as only as literal "cleaning your room"?
This is why people make fun of peterson fanboys. Everyone knows this, its only hopeless basement neet asses that never listened to their parents who didnt know this.
And to assume that anyone who criticizes lobster man must be a 'leftie', lmfao. Do you not listen to daddy peterson when he says identity politics is bad?

>he is precisely popular because of his original thoughts
I just replied to bait.

>>17876096
it's like saying everyone knows women are whores or I'm the only conscious being out there - nobody knows it or acts upon it until they do some thinking on the matter. people do not listen to their parents because they they insert practical commands without stating any purpose. secondly, as I stated, you seem to completely miss the point of futility of collective action if you are not even able to take care your own personal facility -which is wholly missing from any "parental advice"

for one thing it's impossible to differentiate between racial larpers and lefties on the internet, because they say the exact same things all the time. and no, I adhere to Peterson because it took decades for me to get to same conclusions as he.
Vox is that you(sic)? you are not as smart as you think

>>17876204
>implying I havent kept my room clean since I was a kid
>implying my parents were lazy americans who didnt bother to explain why I should do things
Lmfao. I didnt need some benzo addicted charlatan telling to me how to live my life while also telling me to hit the like and subscribe button and check out the new lobster merchandise for sale.

>I adhere to Peterson because it took decades for me to get to same conclusions as he
So you are a loser in your 30s? K got it, everything you have to say is irrelevant to me.

>>17876241
>So you are a loser in your 30s? K got it, everything you have to say is irrelevant to me.
ladies and gentlemen, I present you the quintessential zoomer. please silence for respect

>>17876260
Its nice to know that the original basement dwelling channers are still around.

>>17876266
someone has to show these kids the way

"he's a midwit who has nothing of value to say, but I will whine about him anyway on 4chan"
seriously, if he was truly insignificant to your mind you wouldn't even comment about him. I have seen several legitimate biting criticisms about him though that go beyond just seething, but they require more decent good faith than what the usual /lit/ sociopaths are willing to entertain

>>17876288
I hope he's enjoying his new life in mootxico

>>17866926
Unfathombly Based

>>17862599

Why doesn't EVERYONE hate alt lite Steven Pinker? That's what I want to know...

>>17862626
>His entire political philosophy is bullying trans kids
but trannies are bullies, you can't bully the bullies

jordo benzo XD that means wrong

>>17862626
>trans kids

Annie is that you? or is it Sophie?

>>17862626
>expensive hardbacks that are just a shittier version of hero with a thousand faces.
This

>>17862626
>trans kids
wtf we love grooming now?

>>17862626
Meh

No, I will not *hits diet coke* call trannies by their preferred pronoun. That is an attack *writes self-help book about petting cats* on my free speech. This is all because *raises a drug addicted, AIDS-ridden whore daughter* neomarxists are taking over our *misinterprets Nietzsche* institutions.