/lit/ - Literature

Never understood the issue people have with him. There has never been a successful leader who didn't do questionable things when needed. The trick is only doing it when needed and never when not.

Yes, but I think we should try to prove him wrong.

>>17867929
>Never understood the issue people have with him.
He wasn't a lefty nor he was a liberal therefore he's bad

>>17867916
Yes sadly.

These refute posts are getting old. Why not say something of substance.

>>17867916
His philosophy is more concerned on what is and what common sense demands instead of idealization so yeah, it's petty hard to refute reality.

>>17867916
>Is he the only irrefutable philosopher?
Max Stirner.

>>17868098
>Causes Marx to seethe uncontrollably and write an entire book of adhoms
Unspeakably based

>>17867916
Yes, this was proven when Frederick the Great tried to refute him as a young teen but subsequently banned his own publication as soon as he ascended to the Prussian throne and came to terms with the reality of politics.

>>17867916
> Is he the only irrefutable philosopher?
> looks like 4ch incel
> nonono I DON'T SUPPORT MY OLD IDEAS
No. He isn't.

>>17868284
>banned his own publication
Kek

>>17867980
this. these threads are always shit and go nowhere

>>17867916
Hobbes, Locke and Rosseau have consecutively and retroactively refuted him. Faggot.

>>17868633
>The best man for any job is always your son, empire be damned.

>>17867916
Considering his whole philosophy and ideology was real politick/pragmatism 400ish years early, no

>>17869123
LOL

>>17867916
I mean, he had a fairly unsophisticated view of cybernetics, and in translation, his writing isn't stellar, but his ability to move beyond medeival christian cosmology and ethics make him a genius

>>17867929
Machiavelli applies very fundamentally "right wing" metaphysics and heavily inductive reasoning - this has resulted in people considering him the peak cynical bastard, while what he really touches on are unavoidable realities of politics, without consideration what could've been if we all just danced in circle and sang kumbayah.

>>17869991
>Machiavelli applies very fundamentally "right wing" metaphysics

It seems the elites and politicians who lead the world today have taken his teachings to heart. I wonder if it's even possible for a virtuous person to occupy a position of power in politics today, I doubt it. Money and political parties will filter them out. Caesar when?

>>17870228
I dont think they "took it to heart", thats just the nature of power and politics and always has been

>>17870228
>virtuous person
LMAO

>>17867980
They have nothing to say because they read nothing. They want to be spoon-fed "refutation" of people they will not bother to read anyway.

>>17867916
yes. together with Nietzsche and Stirner

The most overrated writer

>>17867916
No.