/lit/ - Literature

>>17865972
Socrates, he has a good few books

>>17865972
heraclitus

>>17865986
and parmenides :)

>>17865972
>Plato
>Aristotle
>Socrates
>Dead white men
Niggacus Collected Dialogues

>>17866019
>Swarthy Greeks
>White Men
pick one.

this into plato

>>17865972
Thales

Definitely read Socrates before Plato

>>17865974
>>17866275
This.

>>17866275

Forgive my ignorance, but are there actually any original writings of Socrates? I was under the impression that everything we know about him is found in Plato's dialogues.

>>17865974
>>17866275

>>17866723
Yeah these posters should have specified that by 'reading Socrates' they meant reading Plato's Dialogues.

>>17866723
Anon, they are pulling a little sneaky on ya.

If your not starting with Homer and an understanding of the Greek cultural background you will probably get filtered

>>17866733
Those posters had their tongues planted firmly in their cheeks.

>>17865972
In chronological order, stupid

Socrates: and so dear Glaucon, would one buy from a domestic supplier in bulk?

Glaucon: No Socrates, I don't think one would,

S: Then from whom, would one buy, my dear friend?

G: From, a merchant like Alibaba or another oriental such seller.

S: And this is because they are cheaper?

G: It cannot be denied!

S: and this is despite shipping?

G: Yes, Certainly

S: Very good, and now Glaucon, we have as the Boetians say, grabbed the bull by its horn, but to ensure we have not grappled with a hornless donkey, please answer - do we set up auctions or just sell directly?

G: Well Socrates, I think an auction would take too long, whereas if we just put the desired price, we can ensure we always make a per-unit profit.

S:It appears that is so Glaucon.

>>17866773

>>17866773
lmao

>>17866733
>>17866735

I suspected as much. I'm an autist who can't read social signals sometimes
:(

>>17866069
>He thinks modern Greeks are the pure descendants of the ancient Greeks
Read a book

The correct answer is always chronologically

Start with Soc, he didn't write much so its easy for starters

>>17867387
I would suggest to read some introductory literature about philosophy if you haven't done so yet, anon. I'd reccomend Diogenes Laertius and Ancient Philosophy: A New History of Western Philosophy Volume 1

>>17865972
>SHOVLD
start by not doing that

>>17867395
They were pretty similar tough

>>17867413
This

>>17867437

Thanks for the recs, been meaning to read Diogenes Laertius - fyi it wasn't so much that I don't know the history of philosophy, it was more to do with my being a submissive little bitch and questioning myself over the other anon's joking about Socrates. I literally knew he didn't write anything, but I had to ask because I'm an autist with zero confidence in my own knowledge.

>>17867452
LOL. All of Europe stopped believing that in the 18th century when it became evident they weren't.

>>17868759
It's ok anon. You made a mistake.

Thanks boys.

Skip to Plotinus

read the death of socrates by romano guardini

>>17865972
Thales of Miletus

aristotle

>>17866723
ngmi

>>17866773
i love you

marcus aurelius

>>17867437
>Ancient Philosophy: A New History of Western Philosophy Volume 1
by Anthony Kenny
a good place to start

>>17866069
>Swarthy Greeks
More like sexy Greeks :3

>>17865972
Parmenides and skip the rest, it’s all downhill from there

>>17866773
incredible

START WITH THE GREEKS HAVEN'T WE BEEN CLEAR ENOUGH ON THIS?

>>17866736
Start with the pre-greeks. Begin with the archeological background read into the artistic style of pottery, pre written language.

>>17866723
>he doesn’t know about the forbidden texts

>>17865972
It doesn't make sense, why is Aristotle older than Plato and Socrates younger than both of them?

>>17868775
>falling for kraut propaganda
>year of the lord 2021
shiggy

>>17866773
kek

>>17865974
based

The Greeks loved fucking boipussy

>>17865972
>socrates
muh everything is uncertain
>Plato
muh everything is uncertain except for my retarded theory that got debunnked by the time
>Aristotle
muh everything is uncertain except for my retarded theory that got debunnked by the time
keep in mind: you can be fascinated by the greeks but they all are retards compared even to a modern average man

>>17865972
a dictionary

>>17866773
based

>>17876907
...

>>17877463
>PLATO GOT DEBOONKED STOP LISTENING TO HIM HE GOT FUCKING DEBOOOONKED AAAAAAAAHHHHH

>>17868775
Genetic testing has proven that the people of Greece and the nearby islands have been the same people since before the bronze age.

>>17877463
You can't debunk the guy whose general ideas all of our knowledge are based on

>>17877593
>You can't debunk the guy whose general ideas all of our knowledge are based on
we're not living in Scholasticism age man

>socrates grain orders
>Where Is Soctrates?
>platons dialogues
>platos hidden meaning 2nd edition
>the republic
>thoughts on the republic
>aristotles categories
>metaphysics
>on the nature of things
>hairy clits conic elements
>archimedes electricity theory
>ancient greek books
>lucerias, euripides and contaclunio

>>17865972
Shit has changed over the past 2500 years, dog. Pic related. Beasts of burden don't need philosophy, beasts of burden need good masters. We need many things right now. Philosophy is not one of them, mandatory dwarfism. is one of them.

>>17877796
Pic related is how happiness works. Enlightenment doesn't make you happy. You get more happiness going from a 2/10 quality of life to a 3/10 quality of life than you do from a 10/10 quality of life. Human experience is relative to the expected baseline. High qualify of life is sadism. You spend your life as Tantalus, reaching for happiness which is unattainable because your baseline quality of life is so high it becomes physically impossible to improve.

Beneath joy and happiness is contentment, which can only be attained stoicism and overpowering desire. This is conditioned against in world driven by material goods because they want you to have cravings so you consume and fuel the economy. When you reduce the status of the peasant to beast of budren and forbid him from having property and holdings, forbid him from consumption above the level of any other domesticated animal, then he is no longer conditioned to constantly seek improvement and consume goods.

When you tell the peasant that improvement is impossible, he does not desire improvement in his life, much like how you are not upset by the fact that you cannot fly like a bird every day, because you know for certain it is impossible. The same is true for the consumption of goods. Seeking higher quality consumptive pleasure is akin to a gateway drug, you taste good food, now bad food tastes worse. You cannot give peasants the opportunity to have opinions. They are given one food for their entire life, this is the one taste they know. They don't know "better or worse" tastes, thus have no capacity to be upset by "bad food" because there is nothing to compare it too.

Good masters would design your lives to ensure high levels of contentment and happiness, but lazy masters like you have now only seek to improve their position while disregarding the health and psychological state of the peasants. You're being sacrificed by shortsighted masters who are themselves afflicted by the same insatiable diseases of the mind that cripple the peasantry.

>Reading Greek philosophy
>Not American philosophy

America is ultimately the God which has created the Western world and has immense influence over the lesser powers of the world. To use Greek philosophy in a world governed by the reality created by the whims and mistakes of America is to use a Fiat manual when attempting to work on a Ford car. It's not going to work very well.

>>17877867
you're trying too hard to be schizo friend.

>>17877604
Scholasticism didn't have all of the Greeks works translated retard. While his ideas were scattered and even ingrained in people's minds, whether they are conscious of it or not, the advent of Plato in its wholeness is recent.

>>17878004
Funnily enough, he's still suppressed and misinterpreted to this day. If you find any faults the blame should be put on aristotle

>>17877509
turks?

>>17866723
Yes, but get ready to get filtered pretty hard.

>>17865972
start with learning about greek mythology

plato got debunked by popper

As a person who dedicated 4 years of my life studying college-level mathematics, I can confirm that Plato was right

>>17865972
Sir, you should begin with WHOMST'VLD

>>17865972
H OM ER

>>17866773
absolutely based

>>17866733
imagine spoiling all the fun like this

>>17865972
Homer and Hesiod, obviously.
Build up chronologically from there, it's not much. Herodotus, Thukydides etc. until you reach Plato.

>>17877975
>"you're wrong because... YOU ARE O-OKAY???"

>>17879889
imagine thinking such low tier sarcasm is fun

>>17866773
Kek