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Anyone have any oats of wisdom for me?

>>17864866
>>17864900
read charles spurgeon and pilgrims progress and eat oats with no additions, they only subtract

>>17865095
>and pilgrims progress
I read it two months ago. I didn't really care for the dialogues towards the end, but I enjoyed the first half.

Anyone else?

>>17864866
Quakerism is pretty damn interesting. Don’t just read, attend an unprogrammed Quaker meeting. The inner light is your best guide :).

If you are already Christian-sympathetic I would read the book “Holy Silence”. There is also a podcast just called Quaker Podcast that just talks about beliefs and ways of life. It is certainly not minimal about the way of life it prescribes but I think it’s possible to be a pyrrhonist and a Quaker for example.

They do have beliefs and there are Quaker theologians, but Quakerism is essentially a sort of Quietist religion; it is also interesting because it seems to be one of the few religions that has preserved its essential characteristics while having very minimal doctrinal trappings.

>>17865975
>attend an unprogrammed Quaker meeting
Been thinking about it but I just wanted to give it a little more study beforehand. There's a meeting house not too far from me.

>>17866112
I would recommend practicing a bit on your own. Basically meditation but with attentiveness to the inner light/an intense attempt to be “listening” to the silence. Holy Silence and the Quaker podcast have bits on this.

>>17865975
quakers today aren't even christian, they are literally just lgbti pro abortion athiest social club

>>17866461
>an intense attempt to be “listening” to the silence.
See this type of thing is why I'm interested. I've literally done this of my own accord while wearing hearing protection because I find silence very attractive, I just never pursued it from a perspective of faith.

Wait a minute, they actually call themselves "Religious society of frens"?

>>17866550
I thought most people knew that these days, like how mormons go by LDS.

>>17864866
First you need to figure out how much of a Quaker you are. These days they're not a unified movement. There's roughly three kinds of Quakers. There's the Quakers who have orthodoxified and turned too Evangelicalism-pilled, there's the Quakers who have liberalized and turned too post-Christian, and lastly there's the Quakers who keep closest to their origins. The original Quakers were non-Trinitarians and denied the physical Second Coming, favoring instead an already-occurred spiritual Second Coming. It's the last kind of Quakers who still sometimes wear the plain clothing too. In my opinion they're the coolest of the three. Eat your oats and sit still.

>>17866600
>denied the physical Second Coming

cringe

>>17866550
I didn't think it was possible for pr*ts to be based, but the Quakers figured it out.

>>17866600
they were always crypto athiests

>>17866622
more like crypto gnostics

>>17866622
>>17867226
I don't know what crypto means in either of these two contexts.

>>17867240
they accept bitcoin for indulgences

>>17867268
Lol I'm inclined to believe you because I really don't know

>>17864866
Advice and queries
>>17865975
I'm also interested in quaker pacifism and simple living, but my issue is the quaker circles in my city are all made up of geriatrics. There are no young people with whom to share the experience. Shouldn't be an issue, but part of what I need is a real community.
Also, a lot of them are driven to run-of-the-mill liberal political stances, which they have no problem expressing as part of their faith. That's fine, but I think liberalism is not as cut and dry moral as they believe it is. Things are more complicated than a liberal perspective would have you believe.
They're pretty hardline democrat, essentially, which sucks. And the christian part of their doctrine seems to be secondary.
bad social scene.

>>17867332
crypto = secret/ly

>>17867353
they literally aren't christian anymore, they are all universalists

>>17867416
So, I would love suggestions for semi-ascetic christian organizations with a good proportion of young and intellectual people that are mostly oriented towards cultivating a personal experience of christ through silence, meditation, or prayer, and having potlucks and christmas parties.

>>17867436
try a monastery

maybe https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VfbKtNNV7gj8WxBcGzYcD1fuk6zo42Jo/view

I think ur only hope for all of that is some kind of underground home church that you can probably find on facebook or start yourself,lots of people want that stuff there's just not a lot of supply

>>17867454
sounds good man, thanks for the suggestions.

>>17864900
I'm going to find you and fuck you in the ass.

>>17866550
There are a bunch of Quakers near me and all the private schools are named “X Friends”. I worked at one during the summer and the campus is comfy. They try to build with the nature in mind. They also have a ton of land so you can just wander through the woods if you want.

>>17864866
I don’t know but I went to school in the town where Quakerism originated.

>>17866622
Mainstream Abrahamism with its classical theology was always crypto-atheism dude, it reaches its dramatic conclusion in people like Paul Tillich. Same goes for nondualism of the East. Become a Mormon, it's the only way out of that rut.

>>17864866
Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, Murray Bookchin. Interesting connections with direct democracy and the Quackers

>>17864866
I don't even know anything about it aside from the pacifism (and the quaking of course).I can't respect that, pacifism always has to exist parasitically on people who are ready to employ violence which makes the whole thing hypocritical and appear as cowardice. Obviously there are hundreds of millions of people around the planet who would slit all of their throats, rape their women and take their property the second it would become possible.

>>17869041
Were any of them Quakers though? Pretty sure none of them were Quakers.

This fake, forced belief in religion is a thousand times more embarrassing than the fedora atheism memes that pushed you insecure virgins into thinking you need religion, particularly when you try to be unique and special by picking progressively more retarded ones

>>17869325
Why is your type so angry about religious revival? Obviously it isn't the case that rational, intelligent or modern people cannot believe in God. We have lots of examples of people even dying for their faith. This compulsion to declare it all a larp is very strange, don't extrapolate your psychology on the rest of humanity.

>>17869313
Paine was raised one, but found deism. Franklin certainly was. The two of them were the stanchest abolitionists of the founders era.
Reading Graeber’s book Direct Action, he has a talk with a Quaker woman about their long history of democratic consensus. Modern activists can be traced back to this homosexual Quaker guy in the anti-nuke movement. Not sure of any books than the ones I mention, but I’m sure there’s more. If you’re interested in this aspect of them.

>>17866550
based