/lit/ - Literature

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>>17830734
>Chino-chan mentioned in OP
I'm glad to see /int/ friends are here as well :)

I have this problem where I want to learn a language for the sake of knowing more than what I already know, but I can't decide what language to learn. I gather resources for a potential interest, and then I don't expand on it :/

Spanish is funny. Grammatically it's almost like a middle ground between English and true agglutinative languages such as Finnish.

I'm moving to Spain later this year and have been studying it for some 13 months now, incl. 16 credits at the university and 4th level on duolingo. In the past week or two I sort of broke through some barrier. "All of a sudden" I understand speech, can speak and write relatively correct and coherent stuff and can read articles on El Pais without Translate.

i think i want to learn either french or german to have access to more math papers but i haven’t decided on which one

>>17830772
Maybe learn a classical language, such as latin and some modern derivative of it concurrently. I myself have wanted to learn both sanskrit and paali (taught myself the writing systems but still need to learn the languages themselves) to read Hindu/vedic and Buddhist writings in their original language, respectively.

>>17830805
Gut feeling it is then. German is ofc a germanic language which likely makes it easier, even though English has lost many features of its relative languages.

threadly reminder: use FLTR

https://sourceforge.net/projects/foreign-language-text-reader/

>Easy
I love birds.
They see me playing the flute.
The carriage passes through the crowd.

>Intermediate
Ay yo whaddup mayne, ooga booga, lets go to my crib and shiet to get bonged bruddah wat imma JUMP on yo ass

I’ve made my own rote memorisation/spaced repetition system, because Anki is gay. I used book related on the left, calculating what percentage of the words were nouns of the first, second, etc declension, same with adjectives, verbs, and so on, so that I’d know how many to do from each category.

Planing on doing 50 scentences of my own choosing a day, and at the beginning of every day I’m going to go through the list and see how many words I remember. Every time I remember one I’ll give it a mark. The more marks a word has the less I have to focus on it.

When I’ve remembered 70 of them I’ll make a new list and start using words from that as well as whatever is left over from the old list.

Basically rinse and repeat until I get through everything. Hoping to memorise the entire list in about a month and a half (keeping mind that I already know a few hundred).

Again like an Anki like system, only written out, because it’s been scientifically proven that you remember things you actually write down better, as opposed to using a screen.

Also yes, I’m aware of how bad my writing is. Don’t see much reason in caring about handwriting in something that I’m exclusively going to use.

>>17831742
How is this better than using Anki and writing the answers on paper before flipping the card?
t. unironical Anki shil

>>17831742
I used that book too. There's an app simply called Latin by Liberation philology that you can use to drill declensions/conjugations and vocab whenever you have a free moment. I believe in you bro.

>>17831754
Because I’m going to be doing full scentences, not just words.

Why add an extra unnecessary step?

>>17831765
Thanks, I’ll check out that app.

Honestly have mixed feelings about this book. I feel like some of the definitions are a bit lacking. There’s little to no context for any of them.

>implying you will ever learn
>implying that even if you do you are not already too old to master it
>implying you will ever be able to pronunce it like a native
>implying you are not just wasting your time

>>17831821
>americans

I wanted to learn Japanese for the longest time and tried several different times. There was nothing too hard about it, it's simply that there's something wrong in my brain. Even with ADHD meds (and as well without them), I can't keep my mind from being a fucking torrent where every conceivable deadline, task, idea, want, need, interest, hobby, shitpost, story topic, playlist of music, book quotes, stupid shit I can't unhear, and worry about my cat is on full blast and on my radar at all fucking times.
It may as well be an excuse, might be analysis paralysis, might be me valuing my fucking time so much that I waste it doing nothing as opposed to spending it doing something worthwhile.
Furthermore, any habits I try to make get broken down after a week since my willpower comes and goes like the scent of a fresh baked apple pie cooling on the shitter.
Unironically, books for this feel?

>>17831821
>projecting this hard

>>17831821
not everyone is a lazy fag like you

>>17831813
Yeah it's not perfect but it's okay as a starting point for building a solid vocabulary. Latin words have so many potential meanings that you can't avoid having to research a lot of the time when reading texts. Wiktionary is good for that.

>>17830734
>go to McGill for physics and math
>born in Montreal to Italian-Portuguese immigrant family
>Speak English and French fluently to the college / university level, because it is mandated by law
>I have read multiple books both in French and English, various French translations and dialects
>know a bit of Italian and Portuguese thanks to my grandparents
>learning Latin and Ancient Greek with my girlfriend
>girlfriend studies languages at McGill, she is French, she speaks English, French, German, Spanish

Being multicultural is nice, I guess. Grateful I am multicultural in European languages, and not that of some backwards turd world shithole with no significant value to human history.

My aunt is a hyperpolyglot. She learned 9-11 languages in university, and idolized Cleopatra.

Everyone else in my family speaks a minimum of 3-4 languages.

Plan to move to Switzerland after I finish my studies, since me and my girl both speak the languages of all of the cantos combined.

>>17831821
bad mentality, go away

>>17831878
you need to get away from the internet for a while buddeh. i feel bad for zoomers who didn't experience shitty dial up connections and shitty games and software where you still preferred to just play street hockey or read a book instead. i feel like for this generation computers and the internet are just too good to ignore so other habits are cast to the wayside.

in this world it's no wonder you're adhd i think everyone has an attention deficit. the second one feels bored a smartphone is nearby to ease our discomfort.

>>17831993
Off-topic, but as a leaf, how do you feel about having to learn two languages instead of just one? I know for someone in your family and you personally it might be a benefit, but just as a citizen, how do you feel about having to learn both French and English because they won't stick with one?

>>17831963
>Latin words have so many potential meanings
>Wikrionary
Yeah it’s a bit of head ache. Wiktionary certainly helps to clarify some things, still, I feel like the only way to effectively go about learning the full meanings of these words is to get them from the original source. But you obviously have to be pretty comfortable in the language before that.

>>17832026
You could be right seeing as my nearly obsessive reading habit fell by the wayside when I built my PC, however at the same time should I disconnect myself I'm left with a whopping fuck-all.
>No human connections because it's a bar-town
>No information because it's a tard town
>No mental stimulation besides books because no shitposting and again, tard town.
>Nothing to do besides read since broke in a bar tard town
Not saying it wouldn't be a healthy exercise, but dear fucking lord I am miserable with you lads but magnitudes more miserable without.

>>17832028
Indifferent. I've been an Anglophile, I am now just a general nationalist and voted for the CAQ supermajority to stop immigration into Quebec.

I do not care about language loyalty. It is white snownigger autism to fight over language, while ignoring importing the third world, but ''so long as muh Haitians speak French'' ''so long as muh Algerians speak French'' ''so long as muh Kashmeeris vote for the Tories'' ... it sickens me.

In terms of preference? Obviously English, why else would I be here?

I think in English, I study in English. I will raise my kids English. I admire the Anglo and his cultural achievements probably above all other European peoples, as it is the most far reaching attempt of a culture to become the hegemon of humanity.

English, or as the homo pet Stephen Fry put it, ''the snap and crackle of Anglo-Saxon'' is a privilege and a pleasure for me. I would not think as I do if not for English.

>>17832052
could be worth a try for even just 2 days...just to try. no comp, no phone. just books, fresh air, and some proper thinking. thought is seriously lacking because we just jump from thing to thing endlessly.

>>17831304
He jo wasgeht alta, wallah yalla, lass zu meiner bude gehn und scheisse einen durchziehn bruda was ich werd deinen arsch BESPRINGEN

>>17832028
maybe its different in quebec but most leafs never learn french despite years of schooling. ive heard its the same with the irish in ireland. they will spend years in classes and come out of it unable to ask where to piss

>>17832074
>In terms of preference? Obviously English, why else would I be here?
Because 4hon doesn't exist? When it comes to internet forums (of any intelligence) it's either Nip or English.
But that indifference is still a valuable opinion. I was primarily asking because a large population of Florida speaks spanish now and there were talks in school boards of making Spanish a required language because the bums among them are either unwilling or incapable of learning English.
>>17832088
Donde esta el bano?
My Spanish teacher from 8th grade drilled this into our heads above all else, probably for that reason.

>>17832075
Most of my thoughts when I'm occupied with a task relate to thinking or arguments. While I'm playing a game or working, I'm compiling a fucking thesis on various philosophical or political arguments. Or pretending I'm going postal, don't judge.

>>17832088
In Canada most English never learn French beyond high school.
In Quebec most French never learn English beyond high school.

In Montreal, a mixed English speaking island in the middle of a French province - you are legally required to serve customers in both languages, to treat medical patients in both languages, you can even force your English or French universities to hand in your engineering assignments in French or English if you prefer either or.

It creates a unique ecosystem.

Furthermore if you come from a strong immigrant culture, like the Italians who fund free programs to teach their grandkids Italian, and get dual citizenship, then you have a really unique environment.

At my barbershop, I often hear three-way conversations in both English, French, and Italian, each participant of the conversation perfectly understanding the other, but only responding in their language out of stubbornness.

To even a normal multilingual person, switching languages mid-conversation might be a dizzying experience.

Here it is normal. I enjoy this city. I will slightly miss it.

>>17832103
In terms of Hispanics, I would force them to learn English as a statement of identity and drawing a line against them and their all-consuming, narcissistic, dark-eyed hunger for more and more and more concessions. They are a relentless people and need a strong but loving pimp hand of the Anglo to keep them in line.

>>17832126
>I enjoy this city. I will slightly miss it.
Where are you going?

>>17832140
To fuck your mom.

>>17832142
My condolences.

>>17831165
good looking out, although reading on a monitor is gonna be aids for my eyes.

>>17832088
Born and raised in NS, took 7 years of French in school but never took it seriously, now I'm in my 20s trying again. Most of my friends from school who are in the same boat seem bewildered that I'm trying to learn again. There's hardly any Acadian population in my immediate vicinity, and also a lot of anglos have a deep rooted dislike for French and the Québecois overall (in my experience at least, both East and on the Prairies when I've visited), but they can't pinpoint why when asked.
>>17832103
>4hon
heartily kek'd at this, though I remember finding a French imageboard a while back. I forget the name though.

>>17832362
acadians are the most based people in all of canada. they are a very prideful people, and have kept detailed genealogies of their families dating back to the 1600s when they came from france.

two weeks ago i posted my Mandarin gameplan, an update:
- so far learned 643 simplified characters and 249 traditional variants

>>17834089
Learning for reading only bro?

我觉得听人说也重要。我开始学习的时候,也在一个学校上了一门课。真的有玩儿。

what book should i read for learning french?

>>17834089
It's going to be many years before I would ever get around to learning Chinese, but I recently read a bit about Joel Bellassen who apparently changed the way the language is learned in French:
>Méthode d'Initiation broke the mould for Chinese textbooks by diving straight into the use of single Han characters (zh:字 zì) and only afterwards providing Chinese multi-characters words (zh:詞 cí). The general aim is to immerse the student in the language and culture, with the characters being seen as a primordial element of this.
>One of the main aims of the textbook (which uses Simplified Chinese characters and Standard Chinese pronunciation) is to teach the student 400 essential characters that represent two-thirds of the vocabulary found in modern Chinese texts.
>Bellassen and Zhang later went on to publish book 2 of the course: Perfectionnement à la Langue et à l'Écriture chinoises. This sequel is even more centred on the characters, with even less grammatical explanation. It aims to teach a further 500 characters and consolidate the absorption of the first 400; these 900 essential characters together represent 91% of the vocabulary found in modern Chinese texts.

>>17834124
我学习的目的只是读佛经。 如果我也能获得听力能力而能够倾听而了解佛学法师的演讲,那就是更好了。

Any tips on learning modern greek? I'm probably gonna go there sometime in autumn for a few days, meeting with a turkish friend who will be there in evenings, and might as well spend the rest of the time actually talking to the people there.

>tfw can't remember all those ideograms

>>17834255
interesting! that's similar to the method i'm using. i posted about it in a recent thread

>>17834089
how the fuck did you do it bro? i started learning about two weeks ago and i'm only just getting the hang of pinyin. tried learning some radicals but i forget
is there a flashcards app/website you can use to practice characters?

>>17834345
i made my own flashcards, my plan is to continually add more and hopefully not burn myself out or forget what i've learned, which i imagine is a possibility.

my autistic flashcard goals:
set #1: 4000 characters + pinyin
set #2: characters + traditional variant
set #3: character + most common meaning
set #4. most common words from each character, e.g. 学: 学习, 学生, etc.
set #5. X000 most common idioms and expressions

then there's grammar, but i hate grammar and i'm ignoring it as much as possible

>>17832076
kek

>>17834290
好啊,我觉得你的方法,目的跟我的是相反的。我首先想聊天,如果以后也可以阅读,这样还行。我还觉得你该找一位语伴,跟他互相写信,就可以让你的水平更好。中国人那么多,平时很容易找到好的语伴。

>>17832126
damn, sounds really nice

>>17834380
>then there's grammar, but i hate grammar and i'm ignoring it as much as possible
incomprehensibly based

Learned French to a decent level to the extent that I don't need to do active learning anymore. I am still reading a lot in French and using Italki to speak it once a week.

Now I'm looking to move onto a new language. Does anyone have any advice how you can decide which language to commit to? French was an easy choice for me because I enjoyed the culture and it's country whilst the language sounded appealing. I'm finding it hard to decide that with other languages.

So far I'm looking at one of the following for a 3-5 year investment. I intend to try to learn all of these to a certain extent in my life.

> Russain
> Mandarin
> Spanish

Russian is cool and could be useful for my job (security). I like Russian history and love its lit but the country itself seems depressing and I'm not sure how much I'd like to visit. However, same could be said about Mandarin I guess plus it seems to be more globally relevant. I am also interested in pre-revolutionary chinese culture whilst my gf is asian and speaks mandarin.

I love Spanish and latin american culture and its history. The language interests me too and I'd like to travel there. However, I'm worried it's too close to French and it may make my consolidation of French harder.

I'm learning french

>>17834290
>聽演説
六祖壇經讀一下比較快
別人說的聽聽就好。有用的就拿,沒用的就扔掉
就這樣

thinking of learning japanese. Thanks for the resources :)

>>17835170
basic

>>17830786
Very good, anon. I hope you do well on Spain, and eventually you can read some literature in the language.

>>17834905
Learn Spanish using French.
Use a French textbook, look up words in a Spanish-French dictionary and use French subtitles to watch Spanish stuff at first.

>>17835552
How is Latin tier two? Latin has a strong literary tradition going from about 240BC to ~1650AD, and even then there are a few decent works that have been written in the language in the 18th, and to a lesser extent 19th century.

>>17835674

what are some doable reads for JLPT N3 level? i've learned a little over half the jouyou kanji, so vocab isn't much of an obstacle for me as much as grammar is.

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>>17835512
That's not a bad idea. I might try that actually, thanks anon.

>>17834983
Good. I hope you're having fun, it's a beautiful language to hear. Been learning for 2+ years but i simply can't find uses to it nowadays

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What are some easy Latin books? Would the Golden Legend or Principia be significantly simpler than any classical texts?

>>17838572
what's your Latin level at?

>>17835713
You can try yourself at some action-focused light novel (think airport novels), it'll be tough at first, but with each chapter and volume it will become easier.
You would still have a better time reading manga, going from shounen manga with full furigana to seinen manga with more vocabulary and less furigana.

>>17834345
Watch this:

I started Mandarin yesterday and I'm already proficient at a C2 level.


i.e. they're lying, tardo

>>17830734
I'm studying Spanish for the FSOT. They've got a lot of language programs online for free.
https://www.livelingua.com/fsi/

>>17834128
reading for french, or french for reading

I forget what it's called exactly. author: Sandberg

>>17835674
>How is Latin tier two?
it's not. Latin is S tier don't listen to dumb anons

How do I work on my English pronunciation without interacting with other people? I am too autistic and self-conscious to use one of those apps that lets you interact with native speakers.

>>17838572
Sallust

>>17839975
look up "mattvjapan mentoring"

basically pick someone with a lot of content, a native speaker obviously, and imitate them is the jist of it

I’m really interested in learning Japanese, but Mandarin would be far more useful. Would it be possible to learn Japanese and have some of that knowledge (maybe of kanji) transfer into Mandarin later on? Or should I just bit the bullet and learn Mandarin? I’ve tried before but I just end up wishing I was putting that time/effort into Japanese instead.

>>17840338
>FUCKING
>CHINESE
>FILTH

>>17830734
I'm doing German on duolingo, but only one lesson a day so it's slow going.

>>17840338
>but Mandarin would be far more useful
Unless you're becoming a professional translator, learning a language to climb the socioeconomic ladder is a retarded meme. Go into a trade or something if you want money.

>>17839975
Do it playing video games. Its interaction but everyone is an autistic weirdo

>>17832138
>America
>Anglo
No WASPS exist in your global village anymore, mutto

Bump :)

>>17838596
Not great, I'm a bit rusty but I can read a fair bit with the help of a dictionary. I just want to know what the grammatically simplest, most standard Latin texts would be so I can read what I actually want to.

>>17840338
Practice shadowing some native media and record yourself doing it.
It's fairly tiring and you'll cringe listening to yourself, but it can do wonders for speaking.

>>17841705
Meant for >>17839975.

>>17840338
Fluent in Japanese, studied Chinese later on and it helps less than you imagine.
You'll be at an advantage to other Western learners in regards to knowing characters and acquiring new ones, and you'll have a better heuristic for guessing unknown readings.
You will still need to learn the language from scratch though, they're completely different.

>>17841558
The Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible is probably the simplest authentic Latin text. Also Medieval stuff in general tends to be easier.

>>17841712
>guessing unknown readings
this is why i hate chinese and why reading in it is infuriating

>>17840377
Step up nigga. Do at least six lessons a day if you want to ever finish it. Or do two lessons and study on the side. I finished German Duolingo two weeks ago, with a consecutive 310 days.

>>17834128
French for Reading by Sandberg

>>17830734
I have come up with a proposal for "金曜日に話し練習" so I don't have to be the only one embarassing myself here!

It would be every Friday you post a short vocaroo of any kind of speaking practice, in English or Japanese. It can be 30 seconds or a minute long, or longer if you want.

-Karaoke
-Reading text (from manga, a shitty twitter post or YouTube comment, whatever)
-Giving a news report (reading an article from NHK or something, or making something up)
-Commentating a game match
-Shadowing (just repeating any YouTube clip as best as you can)

I think this is a good and fun idea for everybody to do speaking practice! Can't wait to see what you guys decide to speak about next Friday.

>>17842266
If you'd be sure to remind me this Friday. Sounds fun.

What are the best resources for French and Italian grammar? Also, I keep bouncing from one to the other, in addition with German. Anyone else also does feel this will to learn more than one language? How do you determine your study?

>>17834345
i started many years ago
still cant understand normal conversation

>>17831821
>even if you do you are not already too old to master it
>tfw too old to master the language and start a life in the country that is spoken in

>>17835674
>Aramaic
>Tier 8
shit list

Where do you guys get literature in smaller languages like Albanian or Swedish?

>>17831821
$US0.50 have been added to your bank account.

>>17843365
Go to pirate bay and search "[language] learning pack" and you will get a huge cache of books and audio courses.

>>17841558
Caesar is well known for being terse but still uses advanced grammatical structures (gerunds/gerundives, future participles, subjunctive clauses etc) but he writes in short sentences and doesn't indulge in attaching sub clause upon sub clause like Cicero. Commentarii de bello Alexandrino by him is a fun read with a lot of battles and shorter than de bello Gallico. Pliny the Younger's letters are also another good source for practice.
You should also check out Ad Alpes, a 19th ce collection of short stories written by a classics scholar for his students, that respects the classical idiom/syntax. Can get it on archive.org
>>17842138
I can vouch for this anon's reccs. The Latin Vulgate uses simple grammar and repeats a lot of the structures and vocab for accelerated retention. Also, an excellent source for sentence mining on Anki.
As for Medieval Latin, another good source. For the most part, easier in syntax than classical but often uses incorrect spelling (hec for haec) so it'll take some getting used to. Anyway, Boccaccio's scholarly work De genealogiis deorum gentilium and Dante's De Vulgari Eloquentia are great reads.

>>17843866
>spelling (hec for haec)
but isn't this just a matter of the pronunciation too? I heard that the diphtong ae will always be rendered as é/eh.

>>17844141
Yeah, you're right. Had to check the intro to my medieval Latin reader book.
>by the 11th and 12th ce, the diphthongs ae and oe were replaced by e (reflecting a change in pronunciation) and did not appear again until they were reintroduced by the Humanists (e.g. pena for poena).
>t between vowels became c (e.g. eciam for etiam)
>michi/nichil for mihi/nihil
>i and y are often confused (e.g. lacryma for lacrima)

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>>17841558
Augustine is pretty east but his style has a lot of grammatical provincialisms and strange vocabulary that maybe don't represent good classical style. Still fairly easy to read and a good segue into the harder classical writers.

>>17832076
>ich werd deinen arsch BESPRINGEN
>imma jump yo ass
That has a very different meaning in both languages. Somewhere out there is a porno that starts with a hilarious misunderstanding between the negro gang and the turk clan.

what is a row on duolingo, is it just what is sounds like?
checking because im retarded

>>17830828
Go to bed Ken

>>17832126
That is very interesting

>>17832088
>maybe its different in quebec but most leafs never learn french despite years of schooling. ive heard its the same with the irish in ireland.
I've been told by a Welsh friend that it plays out like that in Wales. They have lessons at school, theres some kind of Welsh language TV channel/shows that they make, and the government at least makes an effort. But the kids just don't care to learn it seems. Everyone speaks English, all the media is from either England or the USA.

I've been there a few times and the roadsigns were in both English and Welsh. If you go to a swimming pool the changing room signs are in both, things like that.
It's a real shame they don't want to learn their own language, I don't get it. Welsh sounds incredible, it's like Elvish from LOTR.

forgot pic

>>17846481
Fascinant

the one thing that sucks about FLTR is I can't seem to figure out a way to do separable verbs (learning german)

>>17834905
>to the extent that I don't need to do active learning anymore
What level is this?

Is there a /lang/ discord? Also, how far will duo get somebody for learning spanish?

>>17848384
>duo
it's a fucking meme for low discipline zoomers

>>17848398
Fair, but i want to point out that you're answering a question that I did not ask.

>>17847793
kek

>>17848384
I haven't used Duolingo for Spanish, but for other languages you will need other resources, preferably native input.

>>17834905
> country itself seems depressing and I'm not sure how much I'd like to visit
Yea media shit works fine
Also that "doomer" bullshit where Russia is just one fucking commieblock with black and white filter

>>17838572
Yeah, but the thing about Medieval Latin is that you might as well be reading Spanish with more "-um"s. It's a different language.

>>17831993

According to your own post you actually only speak one Swiss language. Then, why brag?

>>17844481
Wait, so the diphtong ae was pronounced as e only after the late middle ages? Were words like aeternum, aether pronounced without the diphtong, a-eternum, a-ether instead of eternum, ether in roman and early medieval period?

>>17849817
you what? ok that it changed somehow compared to classical Latin, outside of the obvious biblical vocabulary as well, but it's far, far more similar to classical latin than to anything romance, at least proper medieval LATIN as written by people who knew what they were doing

When does one use 'gern' or 'gerne'? when do you need to put the 'e' on the end?
I'm in first semester German and we have to do a role play where we ask our partner about their daily activities. I will now write some practice questions. Let me know if I mess up the grammar, bitte.
>Wann wachst du auf?
Ich wache um 7 Uhr Morgens auf.
>Was isst du gern zum Frühstück?
Ich esse gerne Speck und Eier zum Frühstück
>Von wann bis wann lernst du?
Ich lerne spät in der Nacht.

>>17851794
> When does one use 'gern' or 'gerne'?
No difference, use whatever sounds best.

Your grammar looks good, only "morgens" should not be capitalized (as opposed to "Der Morgen").

>>17851794
>When does one use 'gern' or 'gerne'?
Just found out that you can use them interchangeably, with "gern" being more often used in written and more formal contexts and "gerne" being the more spoken one.

>>17848398
Duo is fine if you’re a beginner or someone who needs a refresher as long as you put the time in to quickly get through the course. It’s not good if you’re a zoomer who does it for 5 minutes a day, because at that rate it’ll take you over 2 years just to get to a beginner-intermediate level.

>>17840338
Learning one of these languages because 'it would be useful' is a bad idea. One of the most important things when learning a language is motivation Especially with difficult languages that are likely going to take several years to reach basic proficiency, there will be times when feel like you are making little progress and you start second-guessing your decision to learn it in the first place. And when your primary reason for learning Mandarin is because it would look good on a job application, you are a lot more likely to quit than when you learn Japanese because you are a weeb and genuinely love Japanese culture.

Will writing out basic words over and over again actually help me acquire new vocabulary, or is it a waste of my time?

Thinking of writing out 50 different words 10 times over in the morning, and then again at night.

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>>17830828
If you do manage to learn something like Sanskrit or Pali, where are there texts online or places where you can order books in said languages?
The Pali Text Society websites seems to have a very complicated and tedious ordering process.

Is there a point to learning latin

>>17831993
Up until a few hundred years ago, the most important venues of human history were the expanded Near East (as far as Greece and Egypt in the West, and Persia in the East), East Asia, and the Indian Ocean.

Even the Roman themselves are relatively recent, and yet they're the start of written history for pretty much the whole of Europe outside of Greece, and Northern Europe itself didn't become prominent until much later.

3rd world "shitholes" like Cambodia, Bangladesh or Yemen have about as much history as France, Ireland or Sweden.

>>17831821
I am not perfect, therefore I shall be taking my life shortly.

>>17840338
>all the super cool ancient wisdom literature comes from China
>all the super cool modern comic book literature comes from Japan
alternately
>learn Japanese for 3 million new friends
>learn Chinese for 3 billion new enemies

>>17855444
If you’re asking if it’s useful for anything no, but you shouldn’t be learning languages solely because they’re “useful”.

Any language, even an easy one takes many hundreds of hours and AT LEAST 6 months to learn to any decent level of proficiency. You need a lot of passion and dedication to learn the language, otherwise you won’t.

Even if you put in the raw hours you won’t go a quarter as far as someone who actually cares about the language and is passionate about learning it, who used the exact same study technique for the exact same length of time.

This is why teaching languages is school is retarded and doesn’t work. Students spend probably thousands of hours over the course of 6 years and come out of their Spanish class without even an A1 level of proficiency in the language, and whatever they did learn they soon forget, while a genuine language learner might get to B1 (possibly even B2) in 6 months.

95% of learning any language is memory. If you despise or just don’t care about what you’re learning you won’t put any mental energy towards it other than when you absolutely need to, meaning that you won’t remember much of anything in the long run.

Latin is a great language. It was the language of literature, science, philosophy, religion, etc from the second century BC in the West to the seventeenth century AD. A lot of great works, and a whole other world will be opened up to you. You’ll be engaging in and with a tradition that goes back literally millennia, of learning and keeping the flame of Latin alive and strong.

It’s thrilling, meaningful, and deeply gratifying, not to mention educational, but you have to ask yourself whether or not YOU care enough or have the passion to get to that point. What I just said could also be said of Sanskrit, which has an even longer literary tradition, or Pali, Ancient Greek, etc.

I’d suggest looking into the literature and culture surrounding the language first, not just the Romans, all of it, before you make a decision.

Scots language

>>17846463
>, I don't get it.
English has so many benifits compared to Welsh there is no reason for them to speak it other than culture.

>>17857297
No one speaks this way, no one writes this, nor have they ever done so, excluding a handful of eccentric writings like this. Scots isn't even a dialect, it's a constructed dialect.

I say this as a Scot. Stop with this retarded meme. This is just a bad hyperbolic translation of the most steryotypical accent possible.

>>17857345
>No one speaks this way
The author wrote it based on his knowledge of the speech during his life. He was born in the 40s I believe.
> no one writes this,
Ehh can't you see they did. That book exists.
>nor have they ever done so
Here is a sample from the 16th century
The pauky auld carle cam ovir the lee,
Wi' mony good-e'ens and days to mee,
Saying, "Goodwife, for your courtesie,
Will ye lodge a silly poor man?"
The nicht was caul, the carle was wat,
And down ayont the ingle he sat ;
My docther's shoulders he gan to clap,
And cadgily ranted and sang.
> it's a constructed dialect.
Yes. Every single writer in Scotland from the 15th to present invented this just for fun.
>dialect
During the time of the poem I posted the Scots was considered a language by the government, foreign nations and people in Scotland which cannot be denied.
The author of that poem, James V, actually considered Scots who spoke English as traitors.

So you are going against history and common sense.

>I say this as a Scot.

>>17857504
>Here is a sample from the 16th century
This is a completely different dialect, nothing like modern “Scots”. Even if I was to accept both as languages, they’re separate languages.

>>17857663
>nothing like modern “Scots”.
Ehh it's identical. here is the modernised version. pronounced identically just spelt differently.
you obviously know nothing about it at all.

>>17830786
I moved to Spain for a while. I had believed spanish was very easy, but then I realized the grammar is extremely easy, but most people use words if top 300 most used words. Reading newspapers/books from 1800s sound so romantic[no pun] ans beautiful. I ended up marrying a girl from Spain. Have fun!

Anyone here speak Pashto? I know that's a hell of a long shot. I'm torn between learning Pashto and modern written Arabic. My gut says that standardized Arabic will give me access to a lot more literature, but I fell in love with southern Afghanistan, where they speak predominately Pashto. What do?

>>17857504
this is mostly misspelled and mispronounced english

>>17857775
>>17857775
>mispronounced english
Not really but you can continue being racist if you want.

>>17830786
>I'm moving to Spain later this year
I'm sorry.

If eating the same species is cannibalism, what is the word for skinning your own species and wearing them as skin/clothes?

>>17857160
All the good stuff from China wasn't written in Mandarin, it was written in literary (classical) chinese.

Mihi Linguam Latinam doceo.

>>17858009
Aren't all the Classic Chinese novels (Romance of the 3 Kingdoms, Journey to the West, etc.) in Manadarin?
What you are missing out on is ancient Chinese Philosophy and poetry though...

>tfw you have to learn German because your gf decided to become a teacher and she can't work outside of country
It hurts to look at German pay for IT technicians bros

>mandarin

>>17858053
What's wrong with Mandarin?

>>17858254
He’s just trying to cope with the fact that he’s incapable of learning anything more complicated than Esperanto.

>>17858888
not him. saying mandarin is like going "Yes I'm learning Parisian" or "I'm going to learn Londonian."

>>17857160
>learn Chinese for 3 billion new enemies
Somewhat depressing, but not untrue I guess. Outside of the Chinese diaspora in the West, it's not like I'd be able to use any Mandarin language skills I develop with anyone.

>>17859023
>not him. saying mandarin is like going "Yes I'm learning Parisian" or "I'm going to learn Londonian."
Given that the Chinese (and Singaporean) government seems to heavily promote the adoption of Mandarin over other Chinese languages/dialects like Cantonese and Hakka, I do think one would want to learn Mandarin.

>>17858888
Don't diss Esperanto

>>17859514
It's a meme language that has literally no use

>>17859540
It got like one or two million speakers starting from one, 99.9% of whom learned it by their own initiative. That's pretty unusual.

I'm using "A Complete French Grammar for Reference and Practice". Is it any good?

>>17858888
Hate to break it to you, anon, but I speak "Mandarin". Normal people just say Chinese though.

>>17834089
>>17834345
>>17834380
>t. two years in
The autistic plan is a long-term loser. Keep a flashcard deck, but you shouldn't be doing character discovery for it like this - because the problem you'll run into 6-12 months from now doing this is you'll realize
>Oh fuck it doesn't matter how many of these characters I've seen, I have no clue how or when the fuck to use ANY of them
At which point you'll need to do what I'm telling you to do now anyways:

>Start reading articles, watching TV shows and movies, and reading books in your target language
>Read through eg 5 pages or watch a scene, try to understand from context, then rewind and manually translate every word and character you didn't know
>Repeat until the magic "oh I get it now" moment starts kicking in and comprehension begins, at which point you're just reading books and watching movies basically normally.

The flash cards are just where you're dumping all those "words you didn't know" into - with your method you'll run into a lot of words that you just won't need that often or you won't know how to use in context, but with this method, you'll ALWAYS have at least one sentence of context.

Any good options for German that are comprehensive input with audio like Lingua Latina paired with Scorpius Martianus' videos on YouTube?

>>17851794
I think its better to use aufstehen (get up) than aufwachen, but someone can correct me.

>>17860556
I watched a lot of Easy German starting out

Bonsoir à tous !

>>17859540
Ironically I think (((Esperanto))) would be well suited for a fascist regime.

It makes learning Spanish significantly easier imo.

>>17862101
Mussolini was something of a fan, from what I recall reading.