/lit/ - Literature

>>17855997
>whoever suggested it was wrong.
No, you’re just retarded.

>>17855997
I've thought a lot about it myself and I don't really think a book has come out yet that properly elucidates the phenomenon. I feel to properly understand the vtuber phenomenon would require a close examination of e-thots and streaming culture in general; they all piggyback off one another. Waifuism and the overwhelming acceptance of anime into normie culture within the past decade are important as well. Lastly, you would need to interact with one of the vtubers in real life and discuss the disconnect between their virtual persona and real-self, so Carl Jung would be important to read as well.

>>17856086
There was a post in a vtuber thread last week that was moved to /vt/ that went through like 8 points as to why it happened.

- First: Marketing studies show that advertising works best when it's either a person or a cute animal. An anime girl is both basically a puppy and a person combined.
- Second: In the age when people have now had the internet since birth, their perceptions of perfection and interaction is now based in the digital world.
- Third: People watch streams because of the FOMO feeling. They like things being live. This is why television and news and all such things are so popular. The feeling of live, being the first to get the information, and the feeling of participation in that live setting are all the dopamine hits as to, partly, why streaming became more popular that lets plays.
- Fourth: streaming content is easier and cheaper to make in bulk. We live in a consumerist attention society. We now strive to make the most content that gets the most eyes on it for the longest period of time. Why write an essay when no one will read it. Why make a 5 minute video when no one will see it? Instead, stream for 8 hours a day.
- Fifth: Vtuber technology is one of the few things that has come out recently that genuinely feels like the future. Participating in what feels like the future temporarily allows people to stop feeling like they have been trapped in 2008 for the past 20 years. We finally get to live in the age of science fiction and participate in it.
- Six: Isolation. With the mix of the youth staying online most of the time and the pandemic hitting, ratings for streaming have skyrocketed. People who work or study from home can now have someone on in the background 24/7. As if they have a friend with them all day that talks at them and occasionally interacts with them for money
- Seven: There is an all around pleasant apparatus of mass appeal. These vtubers, and all other streamers, have garnered personalities that appeal to the broadest audiences. They are constantly in good spirits or in dramatic tension because these are the keys to retaining a large audience of scared and isolated people. This is why even those that talk politics on streams maintain a particular audience. Drawing channels don't want drama because the vtuber would have to critically think about it and break character
- Eight: It allows the mass public to believe they can do it too. Because it's only a series of processes that allow the ugliest person in the world to become a cute vtuber, and because all they do is talk to people and play games, the job itself is appealing to everyone at large. They believe they can participate and do it themselves. It keeps them glued because it gives a false modern equivalent of the american dream.

>>17855997
Serial Experiments Lain is unironically a good anime that somewhat deals with this topic.
>>17856156
Hmm, yeah, I would say this mostly covers it in one broad stroke. I mostly wonder what implications vtubers will have on the future. We're gonna have a generation growing up entirely on this at some point. If I left it up to wild speculation, I could honestly see cults of worship evolving at some point around these vtubers, almost like pagan deities.

>>17855997
Japanese pop culture is nowhere near as ubiquitous as you people seem to think.

>>17855997
Write an essay about it anon. Honestly, writing improved your understanding more than reading ever could—though you need to obviously read a bit before you write. I‘d say you being able to ask proves that you know enough to think about it.
If you send them (one of the larger vtubers) an email via your uni email acc they might even respond because le official academic. I would also contact someone smaller as well, they would surely respond—then compare to see for differences, look maybe at the mediums spread of culture specific to vtubers.

It doesn’t need to be a lab study and as long as you make a decent point by cirtue of there being nothing out there you might even get a few views where ever you self publish or get published somewhere.

>>17856233
>Japanese pop culture is nowhere near as ubiquitous as you people seem to think.
Says the anon on a website rooted in anime culture.

Small Vtuber here
Ask anything you want

>>17856269
Profit margins?
Hours a week spent streaming?
Hours a week on other activity related to vtubing?
How large is your fan base?
Why did you start?
Do you like it?
Does the long 8 point post resonate with you?
How much did it cost to set up?
What are the copyright implications?
Are you actually talented?

>>17856225
Not as wild as you may think. We don't call it worship, but it's much the same, just in a materialistic context rather than spiritual. Some people go to church every Sunday, other view Gawr Gura every Wednseday at 8.
>>17856269
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Is there any sort of psychological effect pretending to be another person has had on you?

>>17856281
>Profit margins?
So far none, since I play/talk about niche things for most people and unironically I do it for fun
>Hours a week spent streaming?
2-3, as I said I do for fun
>Hours a week on other activity related to vtubing?
I started doing some videos on other topics, planning and "writing" plus recording takes another 2 hours.
Plus shitposting on social media
>How large is your fan base?
Like 300 persons on twitter, 140 or such in youtube. Small
>Why did you start?
For fun and the technical side was interesting
>Do you like it?
Yes
>Does the long 8 point post resonate with you?
Yes, the Third and the Fifth
>How much did it cost to set up?
I had most thing needed and I made the model myself, only think that I bought was a new mic from china. $40
>What are the copyright implications?
On twitch its a fucking nightmare, on youtube as long as you dont play licensed music is fine
>Are you actually talented?
I don't know, I consider myself funny at least.
>>17856286
>Is there any sort of psychological effect pretending to be another person has had on you?
Unironically I am my regular self with an anime girl avatar most of the time, since I don't have to stay in character like pros do. But yes, somehow makes me happy.

Is not the first time that I post about this here, but since my content is in Spanish I don't mention it too much.

>>17856260
The vast majority of people in the west still don't give a shit about anime, much less vtubers.
Every interesting observation about vtubers can also be made about streaming culture in general, and there's little about the vtuber phenomenon itself that's actually different from regular "human" livestreamers. The Live2D avatar doesn't change anything significant about the experience.

>>17856348
Wrong

>>17856348
>The vast majority of people in the west still don't give a shit about anime
Anime is literally normalfag tier now. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't at least know what anime is.
>The Live2D avatar doesn't change anything significant about the experience.
It changes a lot, actually. It's a potential precursor to a future where many people will have virtual avatars to interact with in a virtual environment. MMOs did this to a degree, but now we're seeing virtual personal affect the material world, not just the confines of the virtual. Seeing it at its infancy is worth looking into and your apathy towards anime doesn't change the fact that the gears are turning old man.

Can somebody explain them to me? Like what's the appeal, why do people watch them?

And I've always wanted to have a network of channels where I don't have to pay a large staff of presenters, can I do that just with different virtual personas?

>>17856391
Frog posters can’t even read the fucking thread with answers to their question.

>>17856348
Man you're old

It is just reaction youtube + anime and all the baggage that comes with it

>>17856391
>Like what's the appeal, why do people watch them?
I don't know really, here's my theory though.
Most vanilla female streamers have little-to-no-personality, suck at games, and are often hostile to their own viewers. Their only marketable feature is that they're attractive and they rely on the coombux.
Vtubers on the other hand are likely women that are ugly-average in appearance or may be attractive but severely autistic, and thus had to actually form a personality and character throughout their life. So when they use their virtual avatar, the viewer gets the ideal female: personality and looks.
So, ironically, vtubers end up being more genuine than normal female streamers.
Of course, if all the vtubers are 10/10s then my theory is easily blown out of the water.

>>17856391
It's like anime but real, they even rely on most of the tropes from that

>>17856328
Me masturbo viendo tu canal
Que piensas anon?

>>17855997
Looks like an even cringier version of normal streamers

>>17856386
This is the same hyper-focused attitude towards a specific technology that made people think Second Life was going to change the world back in the early 2000s. Vtubers aren't in the vanguard of techno-cultural change, they're a byproduct of it.

>>17855997
My book Call of the Arcade intimately deals with this subject.
In a nutshell, however, vtubers are the modern day homonculus and a visual representation of a hyper consumerist-addled anima. What you are looking at when you see the vtuber dancing or uwuing at you, her little pogchamp, are the personified desires of the collective post-2000 man. As the other anons have said, these are essentially capitalistic deities. These companies are peddling you a God to worship in your trying times when you need something to fill the void.
>>17856269
Have you read my books by any chance, chiqua?

>>17856269
You hack this looks like that hot ass Persona 5 girl

>>17856439
There’s like 8 hot ass persona 5 girls. That’s... the point of the game.

>>17856439
She almost had us fooled.

>>17856421
I'll say that V-tubers are the next step in anime evolution.

3D women are just disappointing hoes

>>17855997
Bro just read Jung, Cammile Paglia and watch Meme Analysis.

What are some other books and articles that go into this phenomenon specifically? Even something more generally on Otaku Culture or Board Culture would be insightful.

>>17856963
Otaku: Japan's Database Animals

>>17855997
Is there a Japanese /lit/ equivalent on Futaba where this question can be posed?

>>17856977
That's twenty years outdated.

>>17855997
girls that arent very pretty but are fairly intelligent can now get an audience through something that is prettier than them

>>17857087
Cringe

>>17857110
I have seen a few that 4chan doxxed an they arent ugly, about the same level as average female streamer. Its more about exploiting less saturated market and maybe shyness

>>17857087
I mean, people read books from 60+ years ago to understand modern dynamics all the time so a book being 12 years old isn't really that much. Especially considering it offers interesting insights on the argument.

>>17856348
>half of my college classmates in slavic shithole have anime profile pics
You are a dying breed

For fiction that touches on this topic a bit (specifically the waifu angle of it), picrelated might interest you

>>17856791
this is the actual, boring explanation for the rise of vtubers and waifuism and prison gays and femboys and every other popularized fetish in recent years. men dont wanna talk to women so they pursue other venues to express their lust and desires.

>>17855997
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1616517933027.webm

Anime is based that's all you need to know, fuck OP and fuck Baudrillard

>>17855997
>Virtual YouTubers and their societal impact
I never heard anything about them and I don't know anyone who did. My guess is that you're retarded and they had 0 social impact

Go watch meme analysis.

>>17857218
That's because you're a CS subhuman anon

>>17856423
Thats gay anon

>>17857509
t. Crusty old man

There's nothing special or unique about vtubers, just like normal streamers they're just television "personalities" that are broadcast over the internet rather than the airwaves.
The fact that you can't instantly recognise this shows you're too young to have grown up in the world where people obsessed over Jerry Springer or their favorite morning host. Even then you should still have Oprah and Ellen.

>>17857662
>t. seething weeb

>>17855997
Friend simulators are going to get even more impersonal and optimized, parasocial relationships are going to get become even paler imitations of real human relationships.
You thought the Spectacle was bad? That was nothing kid, watch this.

>>17857752
Most vtuber watchers are just "haw haw look at the funny shark girl" or "har har har rook at funny dwagon gewrl put daikon inu arusehoru"

>>17857509
This, imagine thinking stuff like that has any cultural impact outside of very limited echo chambers such as 4chan. vtubers are nowhere near that big enough yet

>>17857711
I think that streamers/vtubers are different, is not only about people getting obsessed with an unrecheable personality, in this case they interact directly with their audience in real time, creating constant feedback

>>17857763
This use it as a friend simulator yeah.

>>17857770
As if you can't say the same about a call-in radio host or talk show. On top of that there's people who would desperately try to get themselves in the studio audience. The same pining is there.

>>17857779
Not a friend simulator for most, it's just entertainment

>>17857763
They use them as friend simulators yeah. Back when people still had friends they used to do that too
>bro look at Chris balancing a beer can on his nose haw haw haw

>>17857752
Once chatbots reach a tipping point in realism they'll be highly personal. Spectacle all the way down

The spectacle is based
You are just cringe

>>17857752
>parasocial relationships are going to get become even paler imitations of real human relationships.

I'm not sure they can sink lower than they currently are. I've heard people threaten suicide over streamers as a result of being banned; people apologizing for not donating; obsessive following of streamers; etc.

However, I suppose, an AI-generated Vtuber could be the end-stage.

>>17857880
>AI-generated Vtuber could be the end-stage.
One of the fags at /g/ tried that, was hilarous bad

>>17857752
can you imagine how much more insane things will get if augmented reality technology takes off. the real world and the digital world will coalesce and there will be no escape

>>17858013
I never asked for this

Beautiful Fighting Girl by Saito Tamaki

>>17858067
Nah that is just for animu, database animals apply better

>>17858013
just turn that covid knob up ez

>>17856111
Any keywords so that I can find in the archive?

>>17856156
Nevermind, I'm retarded.

Vtubers are cute and our society is hell and no one is going to do anything about it.

Anything else is cope by former WASPs who were mad that they acted all proper and polite like their parents asked but their parents still liked the criminal niggers on TV more than they liked their own children.

>>17860012
It was posted in this thread.

>>17856328
based

>>17857880
>I'm not sure they can sink lower than they currently are. I've heard people threaten suicide over streamers as a result of being banned; people apologizing for not donating; obsessive following of streamers; etc.
This is just the beginning anon.

Bros...

>>17860335

>>17855997
This one is a truly interesting one. The virutal yt just proves that the new city of god is one that is all-digital. The homo-ludens makes the mutations on a virtual entity with a new different set of skills and vision of life. This is fucking maddness, and the vtuber, a fucking shitty anime girl saying shit in youtube is the prove, a fucking anime girl. This is what society has come to, a fucking anime girl.

>>17860370
>This is what society has come to, a fucking anime girl.
The real effects of always-online virtual society are more pervasive, mundane, and subversive than anything having to do with vtubers. People want vtubers to be the wave of the future because they can't handle the depressing reality that isn't anything like one of their cyberpunk animes. The real virtual entities are the genderless HR people who will manage your daily e-commute.

>>17860370
Well, it is said that virtual youtubers are the next step in anime evolution.

This is just the natural progression for the Web 2.0, and the way culture and community is degrading. I expect AI generated "pop stars" to become much bigger in the coming years.

>>17860496
Hatsune Miku already exist

>>17860537
Yeah, they're already a thing in Asia, but I'm saying they'll become big in the West too.

Vtubers are 3D whores in front of a greenscreen. They use weak men to create simps who will donate huge amount of money, and these bitches don't even need to show their tits for free money.

Anime girls are cute. Real girls are FAT especially in the US and often prematurely aged by drug use or tanning as well. Simple as that really

>>17860566
Anon, at first it was just in japan. With Hololive and Nijisanji being the top two competitors. But, there's been an uptick of independent vtubers on gaming streaming sites, especially for the west, and not just English, but Spanish, Portuguese, German, etc, etc. And they, for the most part, have been decimating the female streaming community. For all intents and purposes, Vtubers are big in the West

>>17860437
Couldn't agree more; the reality is fallen it self and it isn't a fucking postmodern shit, it's literally what is happening.

>>17861373
vtubers can be cute. "real" female streamers are mostly just there to advertise their onlyfans. Not interested. Plus the cutesy behavior seems cringe when done by a real person, but is perfectly congruent behind an anime avatar.

>>17856436
lmao thanks bryv

>>17855997
>>>/vt/

>>17856391
watch this with headphones and full screen:
https://m.twitch.tv/clip/ColorfulCleverSwanKeyboardCat-sba-tpMMhfZemKnM

>>17861808
I'm not denying it. Re-read my post again. A few of the female streamers have even gone as far as to become Vtubers themselves in order to survive.

>>17862260
It's funny because pokimane herself shit on vtubers before. God I fucking hate women.

>>17855997
VRchat is actually an interesting game that's tangentially related to vtubers. It's a bizarro virtual reality where people's avatars are anything from cute anime girls to wheelchair-bound spiderman, calculators, boxed copies of Windows 98.
It's a surreal experience that can't be described properly until you put on a vr headset yourself. I had to quit playing the game because I started to feel instense disassociation with myself.

>>17862506
>newfags don't remember Second Life

>>17862574
You don't use a vr headset for Second Life retard. It's not the same experience.

>>17857880
>people threaten suicide over streamers as a result of being banned; people apologizing for not donating;

Anything is preferable to this absolute state of things. I will welcome whatever destroys this degeneracy.

>>17862260
Didn't everyone told her to fuck off?

>>17862680
>Anything is preferable to this absolute state of things.
The state failed these people who now turned to this as their solace. Society will only crumble further.

>>17855997
God damn, I just noticed you can literally see Amelia's plainly cute, big-sized, white bra in her official art.

>>17863283
In case anybody does not have a good eyesight, I drew the bralines here in pic related.

>>17855997
Has more to do with plastic in drinking water and food supply. You need to be a eunuch to watch this stuff without thinking something’s wrong with you.

>>17863283
>>17863305
Welcome to the world of fabric

>>17857461
And the solution is 3D women hiding behind an anime avatar to minimize their flaws and get an endless stream of donations from her army of simps? I see this as a much, much worse thing and if I find out you do this I’d unironically cut our friendship on the spot

>>17862482
>It's funny because pokimane herself shit on vtubers before.
You got to do, what you have to do to survive.
>>17862785
>Didn't everyone told her to fuck off?
If they did, I must have missed it, because I saw supportive comments.

Are there legitimate Vtubers who do book reviews or teaching or literally anything besides advertising their Only Fans or sing kpop cover songs

>>17863907
Vtubers dont have onlyfans since they are closer to japanese idols in their origin and mostly sing jpop covers. But there isnt any book review vtuber that I am aware of

>>17863926
I've watched a few vtubers, all they do is
> ^_^ teeheehee I'm kawaii
> play? sing? covers of songs

there's an untapped market of booktube vtubers I think. With voice changing software and an attractive anime model, we could make a better booktuber than the real booktubers right now

>>17863926
>But there isnt any book review vtuber that I am aware of
I think there a few indie vtubers that do book review.

>>17863937
Why not just get a gf you can actually interact with?

>>17863947
Yeah I'll just get a gf and have sex. That thought never occurred to me before. Thanks for great idea, what would I do without your innovative advice?

>>17863937
Yeah I think it will eventually fill every niche, its mostly limited to gaming right now
>>17863947
>asking that on 4chan.org

>>17863907
>Are there legitimate Vtubers who do book reviews
There's a /lit/ vtuber I watch who does readings of sci-fi stories and discusses books that she likes. She's thinking of doing a book review.

>>17863501
i never said it was good or bad, just that the cause of vtubers is most women nowadays being undesirable. vtubers are a naturally born commodity that is obviously very desirable to many people.

if you want my personal opinion, i think that robo/ai gfs are just gonna overtake actual women in a matriarchal way. the women will be out earning money and filling jobs, while men sit at home and make out with their robo gfs all day.

>>17863978
>>17863941
post links pls

>>17863987
if both sexes have the option of collecting Yang and neet bux, why would women go out and work while men sit at home and masturbate all day?

>>17864013
Because they'd still believe the feminist crap that working a job and having "a career" is a worthwhile honourable Noble feminist good girl thing to do.

>>17855997
What the actual fuck is all this?

>>17864020
> thousands of years of women sitting at home all day errydya while husband works
> or being a kept woman while lord/king/nobleman finances her life
> if women have the choice between that and working at Target, they'd choose the latter

it makes even less sense because in the future, they would get all the financial benefits of neetdom but they wouldn't even need a husband or sugar daddy

>>17864020
indeed. the tide will truly shift in this fashion when the first female president is elected (probably kamala when biden passes away). when it’s shown that a woman can gain the most powerful position in the world, they will reach for the stars and men will quietly sit back and let women invade every workplace, obliterating wages, productivity, and the family structure.

>>17864027
Its a picture of ryan gosling (famous hollywood actor) staring at amelia watson (one of the largest virtual youtubers), accompanied by some pseud text

bros wtf even is this technological society anymore

>>17862506
>because I started to feel instense disassociation with myself
It wears off after a couple of weeks. I left VRC because I just don't like people in general

bump

>>17863907
>>17864008
I haven't actually found any vtubers who advertise their only fans or sing kpop songs.

There's some who do some read alongs like Arypie and Veleck. Yoro wanted to do a little book club thing, but I hear there weren't too many viewers who were interested? Bit of a shame. There's Woyde for lectures on historical linguistics. Kongou often holds lectures on all kinds of things. Mauthe does tarot readings and discusses magic. There's a variety of channels playing specific themes like cooking, history and humanities, weapons, etc.

>>17857880
He'll read the dono summit reads his donos he's not like Xqc or that socialist whore muslim or any other

Stirner vtuber debut soon

>>17863926
>>17863937
See
>>17856328

>>17865059
Link to your channel?

>>17855997
I thinks it's a manifestation of women giving up and recognizing that the "beauty" of women is just a diluted manifestation of the ideal, unreachable beauty of the female form, which is what anime girls are: daimons of beauty.

>>17855997
Decline of rationalism and return to oral tradition, pretty simple

>>17865565
https://youtu.be/tRFgMMyky70

>>17867111
no hablo espanol

>>17855997
Its the dream of every lonely man on the internet, an attractive and wacky anime girl who plays videos game and references memes. It's not hard to see the appeal.

>>17855997
the person who told you wasn't wrong. you might be retarded

What would be the historic precedent for vtubers?
I imagine this would be a more extreme version of an already well-known phenomenon, no? Maybe like the Pygmalion effect but more widespread. When I was young, my first crush was on a woman from the 1960s from pictures and a short biography I had seen. I imagine others felt this way, even before waifuism.

>>17856269
Do you really have no scruples? I understand most people don't have any sort of principles or firm morals but this feels like it's crossing a threshold.

>>17867979
None at all.

>>17868146
Based.

>>17868273
based on what?

>>17867111
Thanks, anon.

>>17867307
Is it society fault that it reached that far?

>>17862482
>pokimane herself shit on vtubers before.
Why would she become a Bruner if she hated them?

>>17869075
Other than being a hypocrite? She saw how much money they were making.

>>17864249

You *can* still simp for 3d women if you want anon.

>>17869494
Who would do that?

>>17870277
heterosexuals,

>>17870304
Just go with Virtual YouTubers. Have some self-respect.

>>17867963
Hetaira in Ancient Greece, actors in ancient Rome, the King's fool in the Middle Ages, acting tropes and comedians after that.

>>17870310
>have some self-respect
Women have no respect because we live in a nigger-centric, nigger-whorshiping society and niggers despise the idea of applying effort to anything, lest of all "getting his bitch." Shit like being polite to a woman, pretending you're interested in her inane babble, taking her out and buying her a drink is called "simping" because each broke nigger thinks he's God's gift to woman kind and that he doesn't have to "try" to get women. This attitude to exalted in our nigger-media, so that women have come to see men who need to woe them as low-value men. After all, Tyrone don't give a shieeeeet bout them bitches, he don't need to try to get a biaaaatch on his diiiiiiick!
So anyway, courting women, or what you call "simping," is how things are meant to be. Giving money to some ewhore you will NEVER have a chance to meet, let alone have reciprocate your desires is pathetic. Have some self-respect and go outside.

>>17870483
>Hetaira in Ancient Greece, actors in ancient Rome, the King's fool in the Middle Ages, acting tropes and comedians after that.
So, is Vtuber the final evolution of this, or just another step?

>this is how society collapses

>v-tuber cope sneed down bad caught in 4k seethe dilate tranny y'all who hurt you chad gigachad wojak coomer doomer incel egirl boomer what's up guys make sure to turn on notifications and hit the bell icon covid19 lockdown social distancing flatten the curve black lives matter white supremacist build back better independent fact checkers source? amongus chungus they/them shit piss cum piss cum shit nigger shit piss faggot nigger nigger shit piss pissing shit gay

>>17870743
Just another form our entertainers have taken. As long as they're human it doesn't matter if they're dressed up as a purple dinosaur, wearing a jester's outfit or using an avatar, they're still just entertainers.
The break with everything that comes before will be Star Trek tier holodecks: completely immersive virtual reality created by a thinking machine instead of a man.

>>17856225
Explain how the anime deals with the topic. Girl is MKultra’d/socially engineered/groomed (pic related) to become a vtuber and sit on a pre-fabricated throne to be be worshipped by the digital masses as long as she renounces objective reality and pledges allegiance to Satan—eventually coming within millimeters of full immersion into simulation before being rescued by the power of friendly love, seeing the worth of the body and reality, and humbling herself as to be alone on the Earth, but in her humiliation comes her exaltation as she is unexpectedly ascended into heaven with the True God of True reality and granted a true not simulatory omnipresence. Literally the Magnificat, and on the feast of the Annunciation! Woah....virgin vindicated. Woe is the ethot, 2d or 3d, she is a simulation either way

>>17870892
>pic
Also unrelated but the niggas in this thread who read Weininger luv yall :D

>>17870483
>comparing based honks with vtubers
Exit this thread accursed one

>>17856225
Serial Experiments Lain is literally an anime about nothing. It is content-less. It says nothing. It means nothing.

>>17870858
I'm scared to wonder what comes after v-tubers.

>>17871611
Virtualised super-reality

>>17855997
I do appreciate how virtual youtubers can make the average camwhore feel insignificant.
>I want to be paid for whoreing myself on the internet
>But I get upset when someone can do it better by creating an artificial persona that doesn't even rely on their sex and they're pulling in an order of magnitude more simps then me!

>>17855997
I find the whole thing weird. Iimagine doing it for twenty years and being a 40 old woman with the avatar of teen anime girl. Oh well, better this then cam whores.

>>17863480
I didn't noticed it before, tho. And I'm a huge braline expert and pervert!

>>17870483
I meant the phenomenon of people falling in love with creations. Is there any well-documented thing of this happening on a large-scale before the 1950s?

>>17856328
you are a man, why would you use a female anime grill as avatar?

>>17871611
v-frens

>>17867963
All celebrities have cultivated personas to varying extents.
VTubers extend this by further separating the persona from the person.
I imagine the precursor would be celebrity "characters" like Dame Edna Everage.
More people recognize the name Dame Edna than Barry Humphries (the actor).

Is it depressing to know that this thread is one of the few good ones on /lit/?

>>17872906
Because I like anime girls of course

Vtubers are based, you are just old men

Vtubers are brilliant. For once a large portion of western men are listening to girl-talk with avid interest. This will no doubt create the foundation to put humanity on a better path as matriachial values supersede patriachal ones.

>>17863963
if you aimed for 5 at a time you might actually get one.

>>17856026
Dumbass

>>17857752
This has nothing to do with debord lol you didn't even read SoS

v-tuber cope sneed down bad caught in 4k seethe dilate tranny y'all who hurt you chad gigachad wojak coomer doomer incel egirl boomer what's up guys make sure to turn on notifications and hit the bell icon covid19 lockdown social distancing flatten the curve black lives matter white supremacist build back better independent fact checkers source? amongus chungus they/them shit piss cum piss cum shit nigger shit piss faggot nigger nigger shit piss pissing shit gay

>>17872040
They either
>get very rich in few years
>find man to support them

>>17871212
Yes, and?

>>17874714
Yes it does. I did, in fact, read Society of the Spectacle. What do you think Vtubers are anyways if not an extension of the Spectacle?

what the fuck is this. I always thought vrtubers were some eceleb bullshit, I had no idea this was actually a thing. what is the average age of people who watch this nightmarish trash? is this just the technological evolution of a weeb?

>>17856416

vtubers don't have a personality, acting like a child isn't a personality

>>17860892
imagine falling in love with pixels

>>17863987
real female streamers act as a male fantasy for simps, vtubers is the same thing but for weebs.
If weebs have waifus from animes then of course they would attach to a fake anime streamer as a waifu.

Different demographic they captured honestly

>>17871611

onlyfans but for vgirls most likely. vgirlfriends.

>>17856416
You're right about the female streamers, but wrong about vtubers having a personality. Its plain to anybody that they are faking their reactions, and the ones that aren't are simply boring or unlikable.
Also, most of them are woman, so they act extremely catty around each other, which you can see if you watch any video with more than a couple vtubers in there.
It's just as disingenuous as normal streamers, in a sense, but I won't deny that the character they put on is leagues more likable than the 3D roasties

>>17876154
Have sex and stop being an incel.

>>17875994
It transcends anime, its another parasocial relationship the average man can add to his arsenal against lonliness. It's absolutely pathetic that onlyfans and v-tubing are as popular as they are I can hardly imagine whats behind a /vt/ poster

>>17875994
Daly reminder that he was a tranny in the making
>>17876201
onlyfans is really sad, for vtubers at least you don't have to pay.

>>17876097
Doesnt seem much worse deal than what average man gets desu

>>17876301
yet a lot do just like with normal streamers.

>>17876301
i would argue that vtubers are worse than OF because you don't have to pay, yet people do anyway "to support the content creator" or whatever. it's like some sick perverse patronage, the loneliest most atomized people on earth commissioning attention from a person who may as well not even exist (and arguably does not)

>>17876395
Yeah I honestly agree, OF is toxic and selling sex and companionship for cash is bad for that reason, but both people tend to know there is a clear exchange.

Donating to streamer on the other hand is more toxic because it gives off a fake mutual relationship when it isn't, it makes it seem like the vtuber or streamer is your friend. While most entertainment is a fixed cost, streaming is long term 'donation'

>>17876395
>>17876428
fuck off poorfags.

>>17876456
> haha I'm not in a one sided obsessive relationship, I'm just rich
Cope more simp bank

>>17876512
Get with the times, old man.

>>17874178
This.

>>17871208
Imagine being this filtered.

>>17860319
This is a heartwarming superchat.

>>17860319
holy based

>>17878619

>>17857752
>Friend simulators are going to get even more impersonal and optimized, parasocial relationships are going to get become even paler imitations of real human relationships.
>watch indie
>funny commentary, has a personality, enjoys what they do
>send supacha to support and say hey I like your content keep it up
>they try to acknowledge me beyond "hey thanks for the supacha"
Reverse parasocial relationship from smaller streamers is more awkward I'd say.

>>17860844
This
>>17860892
How does it make you feel that the very same w*men will hide behind anime avatars once they’re old and washed up? It’s unbelieveable how fast the attitudes of simps change. All simps get the rope.

>>17879695
>nooo they are pure japanese maidens!

>>17879695
the fuck do I give a shit how they look lmao, I watch for the avatar not the roastie behind it

>>17879944
That, anon is just reaching at this point.

>>17879695
there's been a few leaks of the most popular vtubers and most of them are either straight up attractive or average. a few uggos but i cant remember any old fatties

>>17855997
Ugly people want to be e-celebs too.

>>17879944
So you’re just happy as a dog with his delusional distractions

>>17880323
Maybe, maybe they aren’t attractive. The whole point stands that it’s ludicrous to simp for people hiding behind 2D avatars, pretending they’re sociable so (You) can shower her in your hard-earned money and pretending this is any different from Twitch/OF somehow. It sickens me deeply how far we’ve fallen.

>>17880367
Yes.

>>17880367
i've watched a few vtubers and if i was given a choice to watch twitch/of whores vs vtubers i would go with vtubers because they generally act more cute, arent turbo whores bending for money with their plastic tits sticking out, and they seem to actually like playing the games. it's the same reason why some people are into stuff like kpop, they're into it for the pure gfe

>>17879391
Wtf is this real??

>>17880408
I would simply not do any of these things because that level of escapism is beyond me. It just feels bad when fellow anons could face their fears instead of drowning themselves in delusions.

>>17880477
if it wasnt for escapism i would've completely lost my mind years ago

>>17868283
unfathomably and inconceivable gigabased

>>17880477
>You have to be always drunk. That's all there is to it—it's the only way. So as not to feel the horrible burden of time that breaks your back and bends you to the earth, you have to be continually drunk.
>But on what? Wine, poetry or virtue, as you wish. But be drunk.
>And if sometimes, on the steps of a palace or the green grass of a ditch, in the mournful solitude of your room, you wake again, drunkenness already diminishing or gone, ask the wind, the wave, the star, the bird, the clock, everything that is flying, everything that is groaning, everything that is rolling, everything that is singing, everything that is speaking. . .ask what time it is and wind, wave, star, bird, clock will answer you: "It is time to be drunk! So as not to be the martyred slaves of time, be drunk, be continually drunk! On wine, on poetry or on virtue as you wish."

>>17881167
Drukchad

>>17880449
Yeah, there’s like another one with the creator of undertale cucking some Japanese artist when he talked with marine. It was pretty based.

Are virtual YouTubers really a big thing?
>Never heard about them till /vt/ was added

>>17881286
Yea. Virginity just got an upgrade.

>>17880477
It's not really fear in many, or even most, cases.
The woman that you marry has likely fucked guys that she was more attracted to than she is to you but was aware that she was not attractive enough to keep hold of.
A relationship has to be "going somewhere" and plenty of very attractive men will be willing to take "very short trips" with her.
If you are the long term partner, you are a compromise and the taste of the richer fruit will always linger on her tongue.
Yes, it's normal; but no man, if he is honest with himself, seeks that as an ideal.
I think retreats into v-tubers, twitch streamers, anime and even k-pop (which was my vice for a time) is as much response to that as anything else (it certainly was in my case).

>>17881286
Yeah, how could you be blind to their rise to power?

>>17881235
link?

>>17880408
>arent turbo whores bending for money
They're whores of the brain pulling on your heartstrings for money.

Let me give you a clue. It starts with C and ends with Y.

>>17880367
>pretending they’re sociable
nobody tell him

>>17883471
What does cabinetry have to do with vtubers?

https://youtu.be/vT9Ts-hZYSM

>>17883502
the word he meant was cuckholdry

>>17883541
Counterfactuality is higher scoring.

Most people here dunk on roasites but aren't men always the main consumer in all unhealthy shitty trends like onlyfans, twitchthots and now Vtubers?
How did it reach that point? Men became unable to fix their emotional state and are being captilized on. Let's be honest, none of the people working in these 3 fields deserve one cent, the reason they are successful is emotionally empty men with no diginty left.
It's emotional abuse.

>>17868697
what do you mean?

>>17869494
How about not simp on anythingand have a healthy outlook on life

For some reason today my youtube recommendations were flooded with virtual anime girls playing minecraft together. And thus my day was wasted.
What surprised me was their content.
Rather than trying to be genuinely acting, they sort of implicitly reveal that what they're all doing is just complicated roleplay, which is what made it enjoyable for me.
Girls clearly breaking character, intentionally fucking with eachother, etc. There was some genuine, rather than acted, amusement that seeped through.
I think this is what saves the entire genre from being disgusting. The fans know that they're just watching actors, the actors implicitly let it slip they are just actors. But through breaking this illusion, the enjoyment becomes stronger and thus achieves what the illusion was set up to achieve in the first place.
It also gives me hope that in this hyperreal experience fragments of humanity shine.

Anyway the girls I was watching were from hololive. I don't think I've laughed harder at anything this week than them.

>>17883616
Ha! For man can no longer own the woman by force so thusly they must accumulate wealth amongst themselves and use coin as a proper medium of the womanly consumption, even for a glimpse or sliver of what once was possible. Manifest control sold in chunks of time, but to what end, good sir? To what end must this consumptive perpetuation of good will and lust conclude? How must the girls of nipon in their two dimensional masks seek to reel and profit from selling themselves as wares and goods for the humble men of the internet to take and grasp? How doth you see it kind one?

>>17883616
>How did it reach that point?
Somebody convinced women had worth beyond shitting out kids, and it snowballed from there on.

>>17883616
>men men men
if men prefer pixels on a screen to living women to the point they throw money at them, then obviously you managed to fuck something up. >>17881324 expresses that sentiment quite nicely, even if vtubers are fake they are at least pretending to be modest, which is already much more than you can say for your average modern whore

>>17855997
I messed around with HoloEN when it first came out and got to the point where I was actively promoting one of them down the hall.
First and easiest explanation is that they had prior audiences and public facing careers before being recruited by Cover and their old fanbase followed them. I personally discovered HoloEN because Gura drama made the Google app news (I'm secretly a weeb and only the algorithm knows.) So that drama pulled in curious people.
Then there's five of them, and they all support each other so between them you're gonna find someone you're into. The one I supported was Japan focused and had poor numbers til I got her to focus on America for a bit and grab the audience her buddies were capitalizing on, but true to my lit roots I tried to get my general into reading Tolkien and the hobbit.
Live chat makes it so much better though. I don't even donate but it's nice just to chat.

>>17883830
I think you have a wrong impression there. You are arguing as if these men only consume Vtubers stuff and aren't interested in real women anymore. No Vtubers are just another thing in their list, they do also subscribe to onlyfans and give money to twitchThots.

>>17883955
I dont really think there is that much crossover here, I likely spent few dozen hours watching vtubers in total but never even thought of watching twitchthots or using onlyfans. It targets different audience

>>17884005
He’s just talking out of his ass. .

>>17883955
Lmao tard

>>17855997
theirs people already researching VR and the psychosomatic impacts
this is the end goal and one who denies it is short cited or is too utopian on the human condition

>>17885319
>theirs people already researching VR and the psychosomatic impacts
Source?

>>17883471
>https://youtu.be/unWJqyEne-s

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KrrzJ8zk4Wg
Summary: A middle aged comedian confessed that he’s addicted to Pekora so that he watches all her Dragon Quest streams 35 hours straight drinking sake, and then he started raving over the rabbit until the host comedian interrupted.
I mean, it happened in a TV program in Japan which is the absolute mainstream media of the country.
It has started. Soon we’ll see all media throughout the world overrun with Vtubers.

>>17883765
cringe

I’m talking out my ass here but so is nearly everyone else.

ethots are disgusting by nature even if they’re good looking, because the behavior of even being an ethot is disgusting. Vtubers appeal to people who want some female companionship or to see cute reactions, but who are disgusted by ethots and onlyfans types. They see a strange sense of wholesomeness in vtubers’ existence intrinsically admitting that what they are is fake. The appeal is they dont even attempt to appear real.

There is no sense of deception because both parties understand and implicitly confer that fantasy is the entire point.

There’s also a surprisingly ‘traditional cartoon’ appeal to some of it, cartoon characters are good for comedy and most vtubers dont use icons with super realistic anatomy. The inherent absurdity of the concept also probably puts people in a mood that makes laughter easier.

I have no interest in vtubers but know a few people who like them. None of this is based on anything they’ve said, but my general impressions.

>>17855997
There is something genuinely affectively captivating about anime and otaku shit in general. Not for everyone of course, but clearly for many people. Not vtuber, but something like this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcuBE1k5SdI)) just taps into a part of my brain that I really can't describe. It's almost like an amphetamine hit, really hard to describe. I attempt to live a somewhat functional life and so I stay away from things like that, but I feel like if I were a bit more psychologically vulnerable I would fall for it hook line a sinker.

>>17856269
how much do you weigh?

>>17856269
>>17856328
qué verga

>>17888380
193 pounds tho I'm trying to lose weight. It's kinda hard.

>>17888380
The same as a t-34 tank
>>17888385
Nada humano llega al futuro proximo :^)

>>17881458
By using the internet resposibly instead of letting it flow into you like a perverse umbilical

>>17856156
It's a good analysis but I don't completely agree.
What we are seeing since the apparition of social media is absolutely chaotic and unpredictable.
Look at PewDiePie.
He's a multimillionaire, yet nobody understands what he actually did, himself least of all. He admitted that he never ever thought the whole thing could even provide him a living. He sort of won a lottery, but the eerie thing is that there was no lottery going on.
This new breed of famehood is not anymore associated with individual qualities, such as being an athlete, a singer, a musician, an actor or whatever, some form of talent. It's not even related to the fast and dirty fame of being a serial killer or a higher ranking criminal.
Why is PewDiePie in the 5 top list of most famous YouTubers? The real answer is that nobody knows. We can get some glances... yeah he's kind of funny, he has some "showmanship"... but you can't explain why exactly he made the cut.
All you can assess is that he is good at something because we see the huge success. We can only analyze him a posteriori and yet we couldn't come out with a feasible recipe that would work as he worked.
Maybe in the future a certain kind of perception and sensibiy will develop and it will be able to clearly see what was happening with PewDiePie, but for now we are blind to it.

>>17855997
This is literally Baudrillard though? We have reached a point where people dont even watch other people, they have replaced social interaction with a virtual character with no pretense of emulating a real being. The Vtubers are emulating fictive manga / anime characters, not meant to have any base in reality. Fuck I want to read Baudrillard now, this shit is exactly what he wrote about, simulacra with no original specimen.
These people who look to Vtubers are looking first for social stimulation, but in an unreal sense. This evolved to become a need for unreal stimuli, as in the need for anime itself, rather than anime to alleviate a need for real life women or whatever. And now we're at the point where Vtubers are filling a need for unreal characters IN OUR REALITY. People dont want to watch real human beings for social stimuli, they dont want the unreal things thats beyond reality anymore either, people want UNREAL THINGS EMULATING REAL PEOPLE. In other words, reality now feels too "unreal" to these people, they cannot even get pleasure from watching a real person anymore, they feel as if these virtual characters are more real to them than actual people.
Reality is becoming weird, I need to read Baudrillard as I am talking out of my ass here.
Also some Marx would probably help OP as I see this as part of the tendencies of an online streaming market growing exponentially, to fill the need of alienation for many people today. So Baudrillard and Marx on Alienation, Alienation is better than all the bullshit "atomization" that pseuds use as a buzzword.

>>17889232
Same as with my insect impregnation fetish

>>17889188
Also he uploaded consistently for years and years, taking no breaks.

>>17889322
BuffCorrell did the same, and his dances are far more captivating than Piew's videos but yet he's lights years from his fame.
No really I don't think you can pin down this shit, it's like earthquakes you can't predict them but all seem to be very knowledgeable after they happen.

>>17855997
V tubers have gone beyond what has been possible so far. We used to be able to have real people act as unreal characters. Then we had unreal characters, doing unreal things through drawings and animation. Now we have reached a point where unreal characters are acting like real beings.

>>17856156
-Nine: Cute girl
>>17857194
But they're cuter than the femorrhoids on twitch

>>17889188
i dont think its more chaotic and unpredictable than something like the economy. you have general ideas that seem to hold up and then singular events or even paradoxes in any framework that make certainty impossibly. i would hazard to say any study of large scale human phenomena behaves similarly when attempting analysis

>>17855997
Slap a dumb female gook cartoon on anything and people will pay attention to it. The only explanation is people with too much time, and lower IQ's. I am sick of this moe garbage.

>>17856086
This has to be the ugliest pepe I have ever seen.

>>17860335
>>17860337
Says the Zionist who apparently helped contribute formulas to the building of atomic weaponry.

>>17856156
>allows people to stop feeling like they have been trapped in 2008 for the past 20 years

>>17889407
>Now we have reached a point where unreal characters are acting like real beings.
No not really. All of them act childish and anime like and make sounds you will only hear in anime.
It's just 6/10 girls larping as an anime girls but more interactive.

>>17860088
link

>>17856225
>Serial Experiments Lain is unironically a good anime that somewhat deals with this topic.

stop lying weeb, just because you´re obsessed with the mc, doesn´t mean it predicted shit

>>17856416
>Vtubers on the other hand are likely women that are ugly-average in appearance or may be attractive but severely autistic

most of them are men, idk where the lie about being female came from

>>17888224
the video looks like dumbshit, i can´t take them seriously

>>17856086
Isn't that pepe based off a pic some anon posted of himself?

>>17889027
interesante contenido. me da ñáñaras que el avatar sea mujer, por qué no hombre?

>>17889232
People use atomization because the left supports alienation when it comes in the form of a rejection of blood & soil or the "politics of native land and native tongue" or whatever dairy-da said. We needed a new word free of the Marxist connotation because leftoids are entirely ignorant of the alienation wrought from the techtonics of fully-internationalized capital, and in many cases they support these forms of alienation

>>17891268
Stop spreading this bullshit. Most of them have been doxxed and their women.

>>17891863
Gracias.
Por el simple hecho de que me gustan las chicas de anime.

>>17892590
porque la voz de hombre?

>>17893606
Eso le hace a tu voz beber litros de Whiskey los fines de semana.

>>17893674
comprar moludor de voz, despues te quejas que tenes pocas vistas, voz de anime pussy o la muerte

>>17893686
Nunca me he quejado de la visitas, esto lo hago por hobby y mi propio entretenimiento.

>>17889188
It is understood why he got so big. He had a smallish-medium following, and then started uploading videos while traveling. By doing so, he (unintentionally) tricked youtube’s recommendation algorithms and his videos started getting recommended to people around the world instead of just his region.

An American could always get a European’s videos recommended if it was related enough to their interests, but the likelihood of getting another American’s videos was far, far higher.

Doing what he did got him recommended to tons of little kids around the world who were already the largest audience for online videos, and that made him a big enough name for fame to get extremely recursive.

Youtube has since modified those algorithms so it cant happen again.

You are right that it is essentially random though, although obviously consistency helps the odds immensely. Algorithm manipulation seems like the way to go, but obviously the system is meant to be programmed against individuals taking advantage of that.

I wonder how that pokimane streamer got so big, if that was also unintentional manipulation or just truly random.

>>17892127
That is true of the big names.

The lower follower count masses of vtubers are significantly male. I dont know enough to say if it’s most or not, but there is a large number.

>>17893842
>The lower follower count masses of vtubers are significantly male
There are a lot of biological (or that sound the part at least) that are trying to do it but most are washed up twitchtoths so they don' t get it.

https://www.twitch.tv/prayersfromabigail

>>17893948
Fuck off

>>17894631
Anon? What do you mean? In what sense of the word do you mean? Sex off?

>>17893948
Based. Hopefully there’s more /lit/ vtubers. It might saved this board.

>>17856156
i will add to this. I think part of what makes vtuber a big thing this days is because of anime culture.

When you already is on anime culture, you see a vtuber and you feel like you belong there. I mean, you already have the internal jokes, some topics to talk and listen, so, seeing a vtuber is just another otaku thing. Is an extension of otaku culture, and at the same time is part of the streaming booming on the pandemic. Because os this two elements, enter to a vtuber streamming is easier than, i dont know, some random girl playing Mario. Because you already come with a point of reference, a entire culture in the background and a pre-identification with the anime girl/boy.

>>17856233
THIS. How many view do these streams get? One or two million? Spotemgottem and Pooh Shiesty just linked up and that shits already got 33 million on youtube alone

>>17863947
1-800-come-on-now

>>17896141
keep it

>>17879944
good grief that is a genuinely worrisome amount of cope

It’s the result of internet culture transcended to levels beyond the norm. Apply this culture to little children who grow up to be reliant on dopamine rushes of mere entertainment, with warped minds sculpted by whatever garbage they watched online when they were younger, and you get this pile of shit that is the consequence of a million billion synapses that all function together to create a individualistic web of super-autism fueled by addictions of pornography and pseudo-mereological nihilism, where all things can be divided into material parts meant for simple pleasure or rejection. The architecture of all social media platforms, including this one, facilitates this warping mixed in with counter-culture and diversion, subversion and infiltration, based on political and religious ideologues that grapple onto the most basic trends that are cemented into the minds of these children due to their aforementioned addictions—in this case manifesting itself through anime and video games. Add into this system hundreds of thousands of dollars and millions of nodes on this network (people) and you get this phenomenon.

>>17856156
>allows people to stop feeling like they have been trapped in 2008 for the past 20 years
Yeah, what's up with that?

Make even a slightly off topic thread and /lit/ jannies will knife it within hours. Make a tranime/vtuber thread, 300+ replies Archived.

>>17896461
Good
Anime website

>>17867111
>girl
>men's voice

>>17855997
What are virtual youtubers? Aren't all youtubers virtual?

>>17889188
check'd
I think its exactly because he has no special qualities - he's just like you (in a consumer view). He's a buddy that you can relate to, isn't more talented then anyone else and thus gains fame

>>17896397
There is not established norm for internet culture. It's still in its relative infancy and I would argue that it hasn't reached anything resembling a status quo yet.
The internet represents the near-unfiltered I'd of human societies and one of the most popular (and rising) uses if the internet is as a facilitator of risk-free parasocial relationships. It does speak to an increasing alienation of society. A vtuber is a pure construct. It can't really feel threatened or disgusted by you, so it will never have a reason to reject you and it has no desires if it's own so it's a complete reflection of what it's audience wants.
A vtuber will never get a 6ft, muscular lawyer boyfriend so you never have to be confronted by the true nature of your relationship (as a "simp" for the sake of brevity).

>>17856977
Came here to post this

>>17857087
There’s nothing written yet about the vtuber phenomena in particular or worth yet, but the work is still relevant enough.

>>17896714
>A vtuber will never get a 6ft, muscular lawyer boyfriend so you never have to be confronted by the true nature of your relationship (as a "simp" for the sake of brevity).

https://youtu.be/QT13kk8HDDo

>>17896714
For context, I'm always reminded of this.
For context a donator of a Korean twitch streamer flew out to her country and met her of the course of a few days.
The dynamic is interesting and the video is pretty funny

https://youtu.be/n9ut0MWPN38

>>17896555
https://files.catbox.moe/udfknn.mp4
It's one of the greatest scam ever and virgin so𝅶yboys love to consoom it. The only difference between a normal youtuber and a virtual youtuber is an anime avatar with a fake ass personality.

>>17856156
>- First: Marketing studies show that advertising works best when it's either a person or a cute animal. An anime girl is both basically a puppy and a person combined.

Pretty genius way of putting it.

>>17896740
Can't even bring myself to watch this in full. What the fuck was this idiot thinking? You're on camera, you're part of the act, it isn't anything remotely personal. How desperate do you have to be to end up in that situation, let alone behave the way he did?

>>17896714
>TFW 6’3 muscular lawyer
>tfw I make all the virtual anime girls ducks hard

>>17896402
Hauntology. Death of futures. Technological death. Culture has died since globalization. Technology no longer advances. We are stuck in 2008, as if the world keeps resetting.

>>17896981
I think everyone knows that it's parasocial on an intellectual level, but when you spend hours a day with someone "communicating" with you I think it takes a concerted effort to remind yourself that it has been almost entirely one-sided.
Especially when you regularly donate and she giggles at your jokes (because that's how you both show l appreciation for a donor and get them to keep donating).
This is such a good example because he is interacting with her as a woman, rather than a streamer and hasn't realised that these are separate entities. This trainwreck can literally never happen with a vtuber.

>>17896525
I just drink a lot, trust me
>>17897125
If only we could got stuck at 2006

Now that we've established that vtubers have singlehandedly destroyed civilization, we might as well warm our hands on the smouldering fire.
Which vtubers is the most /lit/? Any recs?

>>17896740
how detached from reality do you have to be to do something like this? Rona killed my social life but even so I am still not nearly autistic enough to even think of doing anything like that. Or is it just low IQ?

>>17856416
Vtubers to me feel hypermanufactured compared to regular male streamers I watch. Even more than female streamers
>fake face to appeal to masses
>fake personality with artificial happiness
>fake smile
>fake laugh designed not to be ugly

>>17897738
This. I used to watch vtubers a lot and spend a significant amount of time in the /vtubergeneral/ and most people there unironically believe that these girls are showing their real personalities or at least a big part of them. I also notice how obsess these guys are, some donations are creepy af, insult their oishi and they will fight you to dead. This whole thing feel like another version of the Japanese idol industry but more approachable to non Japanese

>>17897610
Noel is the most /lit/, she reads the literature for fun

>>17888182
Cool insight. It's like post-ironic honesty which makes it seem really honest. Perhaps even more honest than genuine honesty. ty anon

>>17876191
Why? How would that change me?