/lit/ - Literature

>>17841947
He's only reddit tier to the people who don't know him well enough. The people who know him best are going to agree he's not reddit enough. The reddit people agree with the anti-reddit people about that. How's someone who believes the world is sense data and universals going to fit into the modern reddit naturalist framework for example? How do you fit Russellian monism, essentially panpsychist into that reddit scientism framework? Etc.

i dont think reddit tier philosophy exists in the sense that it's not really philosophy
the system/software there doesn't really allow new/complicated ideas and it's controlled by the powers that be and the masses so much that any not-socially-useful thought immediately dies.
>entertain a thought without accepting it

this doesn't exist there they literally need to put /s after the wildest shit to not automatically accept it there's not a sign of reflection so there can't be any sort of philosophy; only quotes

>>17842429
>i dont think reddit tier philosophy exists in the sense that it's not really philosophy
try radical physicalism that discards the hard problem of consciousness as irrelevant a'la ray kurzweil, other futurists/techno-optimists or "scientists" in general:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hard_problem_of_consciousness#This_article_may_fool_people_into_thinking_the_%22hard_problem%22_is_real

>>17842437
Russell was super far from being this. He went through various stages, sense data theory at one point, panpsychism by the end, but never this crap.

>>17841947
Bertrand Reddit

>>17842387
agree. /pol/-bred incels are calling him reddit-tier philosopher because /lit/tards can't do Maths.

>>17844024
Russell was a bad mathematician
The comment you're responding too doesn't even say that he is a good philosopher, it says that his framework doesn't fit modern Reddit
>>17842387
He is 2010reddit tier

>>17844024
>maths
>Russell
oh no no no no

>>17844024
You must have a lot of cognitive dissonance if you value the ability to do math but think /pol/ are generally wrong

>>17841947
Russell was absolutely based and makes religioustards seethe

So the British idealists were the good guys after all?

>>17843950
>>17842437
naturalistic dualism is explicitly a Chalmer's ideology. it, and the combinatoric "hard problem" has nothing to do with russell. but most cognitive neurosciences are pseuds who wouldn't even try to grasp naturalistic dualism

>>17844098
there are no good guys and bad guys. Hegelianism is questionable, and they were all basically dogmatic hegelians. Russell and Moore were right to reject the dogman, but could have done more to sufficiently refute Hegel instead of taking the pragmatist turn

>>17844322
that's just my opinion, read more and ignore my dumbass

>>17842387
>anglo
>atheist
>materialist
>literal cuck
>science is awesome xD
>too coward to make a choice
sounds peak reddit to me

>>17841947
Explain why he's reddit tier without incoherently screeching about the fact that he prefers language be used clearly.
>>17844065
>Russell was a bad mathematician
I've studied logic, works of Godel, Henkin, Gentzen, Schutte, and the name of Russel doesn't seem to ever come up, apart from remarks where it's noted that his project was destroyed by Godel. My impression is that his work in math is pretty irrelevant.
>>17844083
I value the ability to do maths and I think /pol/ is absolutely mostly wrong. That said, most leftists would probably call me /pol/ even though I disagree with most of the narratives they hold.
>>17844097
The flying teapot is a very british thought experiment.

>>17844363
Russell as public intellectual encompassed the Reddit ethos before glumpf, he has nothing to do with the Reddit of 2021
Yours is a better wording. Russell wasted Whitehead's time on a project everyone knew was nonsense two decades before Gödel "destroyed" it
Even Russell's paradox wasn't his own, Cantor himself arrived at it independently

>>17844342
>materialist
He literally wasn't though.
>>17844363
>My impression is that his work in math is pretty irrelevant.
It really isn't irrelevant. Try looking up type theory, or at least read about Russell's paradox and the way it made set theorists since avoid unrestricted comprehension. And before the Godel anon shows up to say Russell's work was worthless, realize that proving incompleteness does not itself prove that we can't use axioms in arithmetic or prove a good deal from them. It just means we can't achieve completeness as a goal constitutive of the project of axiomatizing arithmetic and using set theory to do so.
>>17844431
>Even Russell's paradox wasn't his own, Cantor himself arrived at it independently
They both proved that there was something wrong with having unrestricted comprehension if you wanted consistency, but I think they way they reached that conclusion differs. Cantor, if I'm not mistaken, proved that every set has a power set with higher cardinality, ruling out a universal set. That being said he still seemed to believe in precisely something like that with his absolute infinite so make of that what you will.

>>17844431
>Russell wasted Whitehead's time on a project everyone knew was nonsense two decades before Gödel "destroyed" it
>Even Russell's paradox wasn't his own, Cantor himself arrived at it independently
care to elaborate?

>>17844065
>He is 2010reddit tier
This is more accurate and I loved 2010 reddit.

>>17844431
>Russell wasted Whitehead's time on a project everyone knew was nonsense two decades before Gödel "destroyed" it
That's Whitehead's fault if that's really true. Nobody thought it was nonsense before Godel, what are you talking about?

>>17841947
Any "actual," philosopher cannot be reddit tier because reddit is characterized by vapidity. And some loser who dedicates his life to making arguments about shit that nobody will read and fewer will apply to their life is many things, but not vapid.

>>17844024
Math(no S, bong) is for queers

>>17844363
>The flying teapot is a very british thought experiment
True, and it also perfectly demonstrates why belief in God is stupid.

>>17844431
>Even Russell's paradox wasn't his own, Cantor himself arrived at it independently
Isn't the story that they both came up with it a couple of days of each other, with no communication whatsoever? Or am I thinking of something else?

>>17844363
>I've studied logic, works of Godel, Henkin, Gentzen, Schutte, and the name of Russel doesn't seem to ever come up, apart from remarks where it's noted that his project was destroyed by Godel. My impression is that his work in math is pretty irrelevant.
He did a paradoxon in set theory on self-referential sets. That is what he is known for. He is not known for principia mathematica

>>17841947
All analytics are reddit ish since they supposedly love science so much, I'd also throw stoics in since they too are cucks.

>>17845391
Maths is a very important field, and you're a queer.

>>17845681
Not all analytics love science despite the stereotype and some of them quite resent the stereotype and the analytics who meet the stereotype.

Nobody has mentioned Rand? Wow

>>17846161
Not a philosopher

>>17846261
imagine getting screeched at by feminist professors because you said this.
i couldn't imagine their cognitive dissonance

>>17846269
Feminist philosophers would probably agree with me actually. The people who first told me she wasn't a philosopher were philosophy professors.

>>17846261
That's the entire point of Reddit tier

>>17846134
I never said it wasnt important. Of course it is, and fortunately there exists an army of boring people, such as yourself, willing to engage with this important field. All so that I can continue to collect my government assistance and read comfy books :)

>>17845627
>True, and it also perfectly demonstrates why belief in God is stupid.
Ummm no it doesn't. It demonstrates why asserting something exists just because you can't prove it doesn't is stupid.

>>17844065
>Russell was a bad mathematician
Cope.
He demonstrably wasn't bad at maths seeing as he was seventh wrangler on the fucking Cambridge Mathematics Tripos faggot.
Just because he was a professional logician and not a professional numbers autist doesn't mean he sucked at maths you utter pillock.

>>17846273
How is Rand not a philosopher when she talks about epistemology, ethics, etc.?

>>17846275
>>17846332
It's tongue in cheek but there's basis for it (it's commonly thrown at her by actual philosophers).

>>17846353
What is the basis? I understand saying she is a bad philosopher or whatever

>>17846464
It's a dismissive thing academics say to amateurs sometimes. Rand was too dismissive of academic philosophy and they return the favor today. They're not dismissive of amateurs just for being amateurs. Some autodidacts even in the 20th century are respectable (like Murray Bookchin). Rand says things that come off as easy to pick on bad takes though, so she gets the full force of their disapproval.

>>17846300
I don't really engage with maths, I just recognise that it's an important field.

>>17846315
>It demonstrates why asserting something exists just because you can't prove it doesn't is stupid.
Which demonstrates why belief in God is stupid. So yes, it does demonstrate why belief in God is stupid.

>>17841947
Chomsky