/lit/ - Literature

>>17837637
Yes.

>>17837637
Yes.

>>17837637
Yes.

>>17837637
Not at all what he says. Good book by the way, though it's funny how badly the central metaphor of the first part has aged (we no longer live in an immunological age! Viruses are things of the past!).

>>17837654
Is it a good read? Will it reveal some insights about why I'm such a faggot?

>>17837637
He's right you know

>>17837657
Yes, it's a good and quick read. Han gets a bit mired in academic prose jargon, but that's par for the course in contemporary philosophy (especially when it is in translation).

The main idea about a positive achievement society (you can do anything!) being worse for us than the previous negative discipline society (you should do this, and you shouldn't do that!) is very good.

Probably won't offer any insights into your sexual preferences, but who knows, maybe.

>>17837700
Sounds great, thanks for the rec. Sadly being a faggot is not my sexuality, but my identity.

>>17837637
If I could NEET I would but I’m American so I can’t.

>>17837711
just be disabled, bro. i'm on disability in Australia and I get $941 a fortnight. it isn't an awful lot with the living costs, but I scrape by

>>17837637
I will now read your book (illegally downloaded, of course)

>>17837730
>just be disabled
As if it were that easy to just be disabled...

Anyway, it’s still a pain in the ass here even if you are disabled.

>>17837730
how do i go about being disabled

>>17837657
Fore every good insight it offers, there’s tons of broad generalizations, empty posturing, and lazy literary analysis. Almost every page offers examples of every criticism thrown at “theory,” and he somehow manages to make a sixty page book into a total slog.

>>17837637
Is that what he says? Liked, subscribed and donated to his Patreon!

>>17838305
>Achievement society is the society of self-exploitation. The achievement-subject exploits itself until it burns out. In the process, it develops auto-aggression that often enough escalates into the violence of self-destruction.
BCH makes no attempt to prescribe a solution but it would be difficult to agree with his reasoning and not see neetdom as the true way out

>>17837637
>>17837637
Psychopolitics and In the swarm are better.
I would recommend these instead for anybody who wants to read some Han Byeong Chul

>>17838355
He does in Psychopolitics a bit

>>17838355
I was kidding. I know what he says though I haven't read the books in full, and I think he's being a bit of a flowery Captain Obvious. Everyone is aware of this phenomenon. Of course competition has increased a hundredfold because of many factors, in pretty much all fields of life (love, work, etc.) so people are invited to literally annihilate themselves to compete, morally physically, etc. You have to be constantly flexible and up to date to meet an ever increasing demand for perfection. Social media is the vehicle for this, mostly. BCH just repeats the truths in Industrial Society but in a lesser scope.

>>17838442
*for perfection not on a personal but as a product, to fit a market
I think I got to BCH when I was talking exactly about the product-ification of people and how consuming products has shifted from satisfying a personal need to being part of the label of a person-product itself.

>>17837730

What disability do you have?

>>17838680
Knowing this site, probably autism

>>17837637
Yes, when the alternative is this.

yes, han is based

>>17837730
Damn, you're living my dream. I've been dreaming recently for these floods to severely injure me(but not so much as to be unable to read and write) so that I can fulfill my vocation contemplating the mysteries whilst receiving a pension from the state, like I deserve. Really sick and tired of studying the profane sciences at tafe desu.

>>17837700
>The main idea about a positive achievement society (you can do anything!) being worse for us than the previous negative discipline society (you should do this, and you shouldn't do that!) is very good.
Can you elaborate on this?

>>17839461
god

>>17839432
Wait you can get paid for that?

>>17839461
Fucking hell man

>>17839461
Stories like this unironically make me think Islam has the right idea

>>17840656
you have no idea how such things work in islamic cultures. stop peddling feminist myths.

>>17840728
Women aren't allowed to leave the house unescorted in nigger

>>17840744
ok, go live there.

>>17840746
no

>>17840744
You've never been to the Saud. You're idealizing Islam the way more moderate incels than yourself idealize the small Christian communities of the 1950s.
Women are not as wicked as you think, nor are the cultures that repress their actions as effective as you think.

>>17840761
>Women are not as wicked as you think,
By what metric? Are you aware of how slutty the average woman is today?
>nor are the cultures that repress their actions as effective as you think.
This is like arguing that police and laws wouldn't prevent crime. The whore apologists like yourself are genuinely dumb, or just too enslaved to promiscuous sex. Maybe a bit of both.

>>17840776
When was the last time you left your home?
The last time you experienced women through any lens other than the hyper-real peepshow of the internet? Indeed, through any lens other than other incels' carefully selected and vetted examples of the worst and sluttiest women?
You don't even try. You consign yourself to failure, and you idealize foreign others who seem to succeed in your goals without the labors you need to undergo.
You're a weak little faggot who won't and can't take what he wants, and you're punching miles above your weight.

>>17839461
Men have no solidarity either. Each one of you will cuckold his friend if given the chance.

>>17840795
Every day when I go to work

>>17840805
>projecting this hard
Very glad you are not one of my friends

>>17840807
Sure thing, pal. I believe you.

>>17840820
You're criticizing someone else for being detached from reality and you think it's so unrealistic for some guy on the internet to have a job?

>>17837730
sounds good until you realize at 30 that you have no purpose in life and that you're just going to be doing the same thing until you die at 40 from a heart attack you fat fuck

>>17837637
i don't see why not

>>17840827
I am rebutting the concept of (You) specifically having a job where you speak to women on more than momentary terms on a daily basis, yes.

>>17840834
>living for a purpose

>>17840656
nah cheating is terrible but even in western societies men do it more

>>17840877
>living for no purpose
might as well be dead lmao
although I wager you already are, you just deluded yourself thinking you're still alive because you still breathe, as if that is the only requirements

How does someone in Canada get on neetbucks? Any tips for gaming the system?

>>17840945
don't

>>17839461
honestly guy sounds like a bit of simp too smitten and blindly in love to pick up on what were probably a lot of obvious warning signs that she was having an affair

sensible men can always tell fairly quickly a woman's agenda, just don't allow your feelings to blind you

>>17840834
the guy has more free time than wagie

>>17839461
Is it wrong for me to assume the wife/mother is a sociopath?

>>17837637
Yes.

>>17839461
What compels women to do these things?

>>17841481
the evil in their hearts

>>17839461
I'm never getting married nor having kids

>>17841481
Reasons can vary, but I would say it's because she was still too young mentally to go exclusive and probably felt trapped and like she needed more experience, but when she realized she was pregnant, she got too scared to tell the truth and lies just kept pilling up after that.
People can be very stupid sometimes.

>>17839461
most of those stories are made up. if her father had committed suicide that yesr and she was devastated would she really be writing it all up on reddit and going
>It. Broke. Me.

>>17840848
Im not picking a side, ill say this... observing the deeds is more important (and likely what he means)than conversing.... its a mistake to assume the length or quality of a conversation are better at analyzing someone than to observe them

>>17841506
If you’re a man, you overestimate women

>>17841506
Idk, that is sort of reddit's in-house style, its users are trained by the updoot function to write that way because it maximizes engagement in their culture.

>>17839461
>being sad due to a girl

why do men keep putting women on a pedestal

>>17841534
bro its not just that his wife had an affair which he probaby could have moved on from, his 4 children which had been his entire life, none of them were his

his entire life had been a waste and lie, his lineage ended

>>17841539
>his lineage ended
He has a brother who has children.

>>17841546
lmao who gives a fuck thats not his line thats his brothers, not to mention he was a devout family man whos children were his life, all of it had been a lie

>>17841506
>if her father had committed suicide that yesr and she was devastated would she really be writing it all up on reddit and going
>>It. Broke. Me.
people legitimately do this now, it looks insane but it's the norm
if someone randomly chopped off a gen Z's legs with an axe and left them bleeding out in the street, the first thing they'd do would be pull out their fucking phone and go
>HOLY SHIT SOMEONE JUST CHOPPED OFF MY LEGS (CRYING EMOJI x4)
and only then they'd try to call an ambulance

>>17841549
I think the problem was more that he sacrificed his dream of becoming a doctor for it. He wouldn't be the first guy to find out his life was a lie, but plenty of others didn't go and kill themselves, some have even continued to treat the kids as their own due to the attachment they had already formed.

>>17837637
I am

>>17841566
lmao quitting a possible career path over 40 years ago is somehow worse than the fact none of your supposed children that you spent the last 30 years raising and cherishing are not actually yours? lmao get real

>>17841572
You sound like some loser who was never truly passionate about anything. A person can be okay with giving up on their dreams for duty, but what if after many years you are confronted with the fact it wasn't really your duty? He could still make his own children if his bloodline had been truly important to him, men are still fertile at age 50, the problem was that his life would never be the way he envisioned before the first pregnancy.

>>17841593
kek you honestly think 40 years later this guy gave a shit about being a doctor? the most important thing in the world to him, his children the ones he loved and cherished form the youngest age are not his, that entire love is based on a lie, everybody he thought he knew he, he really didn't was was completely alone. the fact that you're thinking of his children and family of 30+ years as just some commodity he can replace shows you're a total autist, 60 years old, his entire life has been a waste, I hardly think he killed himself over muh dream career that he likely forgot about decades ago seems more like you're projecting some gay hobby you have and dream of turning into a career onto him

>find out my children aren't really my children
>oh shit bro what about that career path i quit 40 years ago

lmao you're a total moron

>>17841617
A dream is not just a career path, and it literally says in the story that it was his dream to become a doctor. I didn't say the fact kids weren't his didn't bother him, I said it hit him harder because he sacrificed something big for them, and then he realized he actually didn't have to.
You're the one projecting, thinking a man's purpose in life is just to procreate and that nothing else matters.

>>17841643
lmao it was 40 fucking years ago I doubt that meant shit to him anymore, the fact is he killed himself because his children weren't his, not some essentially adolescent dream. I'm not projecting either, the guy was devout family man who spoiled his wife and children. His family was his meaning to life, clearly from what the girl said.

>>17839461
Fool. If she had proper woman’s cunning she’d have gone to her mother first (better not at all; or to her siblings and swear them to secrecy). At a primal level, she probably went through on this knowing semi-consciously that as a Cosmic Giga Simp, he was expendable. This was the sort of thing that would set off a multi-generational blood feud in more civilized times

>>17840541
the book is like 70 pages long. It makes the argument that Freud isn’t wrong, but that the context he was working in is no longer extant. We drive ourselves to achievement in a societal neurosis (or worse, vanity), not for some telos driving mankind towards a greater good.

>>17840834
>sounds like a wagie cope not reading 6 hours a day and working out as a neet im living to 90 as a neet and you are going to pay for it

>>17840795
The dude you responded to obviously has some passion behind his words and you correctly inferred he is bitter at his position in relation to women.
However, the way in which you judged him speaks volumes of your own character. I'd hazard a guess you were once him and have now elevated yourself to a more respectable position in the sexual hierarchy. You speak with more passion than he does.
Women are easily enchanted, the only loyalty they hold is to the feelings they subscribe to the story in their head. It's their nature, they aren't to be blamed for it but it isn't to be ignored either.
I cheated with women who had been with boyfriends for years on a whim. Girls you would call loyal, virtuous; by looking at them. Master of looks women are aren't they? I question, was I the hunter or the hunted?
The power of woman is such you will not know and that is the danger.

>>17840795
I experience plenty of women at work or at school.
60% of them are hedonistic sluts
30% of them are fat/ugly/frumpy girls that convince themselves the party life isnt for them but still jumps at any opportunity to get dicked down.
10% seem like real humans but half of those are most likely burned out sluts who want to settle down now.

>>17841506
>reddit real when I like
>reddit fake when i don't
deal with it fag

>>17839461
Kek normos BTFO

>>17837654
>(we no longer live in an immunological age! Viruses are things of the past!).
Doesn't that mean he's a retard though? Intellectual accountability doesn't matter, being right doesn't matter?

>>17841110
No. Not at all. She is a Psychopath for lying to her husband and telling him that they were his kids, thus causing him to abandon his dream job and education. And, still keeping it a lie for decades. And, all of this just so she could fuck the friendly neighborhood nigger and have fun. She did not 'love' her husband, she made him abandon everything he had worked for upto that point in his life just so he could father a child that was not even his with a women who didn't even love him.

Calling her anything other than a Psychopath would be an understatement.

I don't think he's saying anything new in this book. He makes a lot of good points but uses some naturalistic anecdotes here and there that are horrible and just plain wrong.

Maybe translation was shit or he's just a shit writer (I think he wrote it in German which is his second language, so maybe there's something there), but the ideas are okay.

>>17843342
He makes weird points like that throughout the book. It certainly requires a bit of charitability but it's not all 100% retarded.

feels great living in finland, you can just study whatever you want for free in a university and get paid by the state to do that, and then you can just continue as a neet with even more money paid to you by the state

>>17837637
Yes.

>>17843937
Can I come to Finland? Gondola is my favorite meme

>>17843942
yes you can come here but you have to work, the neet aristocracy is only reserved for ethnic finns

If you can't reject mass technology then you're better off practicing a good surrogate activity like reading and studying a useless language all day while leeching off anyone you can. This is assuming you're not a natural slave. If that's the case then get back to work, wagie. Lunch time is over.

>>17843971
rude

>>17843971
I'm ok with work as long as it's not complete wageslavery. Right? I'm an actual European citizen so I assume I get a terrible deal from moving in.
Work in one of them Finn forests would be sweet

>>17839461
Shit. I just read this story and started reading 1001 nights in succession.
This is a problem because my trust issues are being reaffirmed.
Does anyone have anything I can do/read that'll get me out of my paranoid state?

>>17844066
based kaczynski and /biz/ love child

can anyone upload a good quality pdf
i found an incomplete version but cannot find the full book
>inb4 libgen
i want pdf not epub

>>17841624
No one here lives like the guy on the right

>>17844113
anon pls...
http://libgen.li/item/index.php?md5=E40B847B7D05F12C20DE1B24CA7EDB8B

>>17841624
I think this might be a little skewed to favor the NEET but I swear to God I lived the life on the right when I was working, probably including some guy fucking my gf while I was out to work. Never again. I'd rather die.

>>17837637
>Burn out from excess hyperactivity attendant to the accelerating technological production process in order to chase """""success™""""
>Never light in the first place as an inert and unrealized stationary neet with no future

Sounds like a lose-lose situation. Modern society gives you nothing to live for .

Nothing moves in human time any more. It moves in machine time, electric time, data time. This isn't future shock, it's present shock. At least the neet is the master of his time, if nothing else, though he may drown himself in it by wasting it.

>>17841087
>>17841882
NEETs play video games all day, not read literature. They have no respect for the infinite amount of free time blessed to them because there is no reason to act on it in the infinite nihilism of having no responsibility.

>>17841481
Have you not read Macbeth?

>>17844417
thanks

>>17844440
I've actually had it worse than the guy on the right before. I worked in a factory and they laid a bunch of people off and then everyone else had to work a shit load of overtime. There was a few month period where I was working 12 hour shifts, 6 days a week but it was mostly 10 hour days, 6 days a week unless I randomly had to work an extra 5 hour shift on top of the 10 hours. It was brutal and it broke me. I stopped being able to take care of myself but I got into trouble and ended up quitting. This was over 10 years ago and I haven't worked a day since, and god willing I'll never work again. I don't need it.

>>17844579
I'm a NEET and I read books all day. Seriously, I was reading close to a 150 books per year until I start trying to learn Greek. Now I'm probably reading about a 100 per year.

>>17837730
>£522.90 a fortnight
That's absolutely absurd, I've been on disability benefits here in the UK and I got about £250 a fortnight. So half of what you get.

Although to be fair I think there's another disability payment I could have got, this thing called PIP, but I think you can only get it if you live alone, while I live with my parents.

>>17844579
I’ve been a NEET for 11 years. Starting reading as soon as I dropped out. By year 2 I’d already given up television, vidya, and movies, and on year 5 I took up drawing. If I’m not working on art I’m either reading or taking walks. The only timesink is coming to this board

>>17844692
I had similar situations though not as intense. Last job I was working 6 days / 5 days. Had highest KPI's and they just kept expecting it to get better while not recognising performance. Constant goal post moving. I started not caring, calling in sick, etc. I said some bullshit and they flew someone in from another city to fire me. Covid hit straight after.
Corporate environment is demonic. You lose your soul.
Don't know what I'm going to do in the near future but I'd rather be poor and free than rich and chained. There's no comparison.

>>17841506
This. It's fictional writing.

>>17845248
What do you draw? Please don't say porn

>>17844579
it took me a year to (easily) abandon video games, i didn't even quit consciously it just happened and i dont crave anymore

>>17845455
No, my main influences are the Symbolists and illustrators like Rackham

>>17845558
That's great, I would love to see your work.
I'm a bit shy about my own but I do sort of similar things.

I enjoyed Burnout Society, although it's very short.

Anybody read his Transparent Society?

>>17841506
I do agree that it's probably fictional, but redditors have done shit like that. There was a guy who posted his wife on her deathbed on reddit. It's fucking baffling.

>>17844121
I did a year ago, coming home itchy(try sleeping at night while your whole body is numbingly itchy) from the insulation and wounded hands from sharp metal. I could never leave work behind, it was and still is carved into my skin.

I will never again work a shitty job, if I ever work any job again. I worked as a saw operator in an aluminum extrusion factory for 13 dollars an hour. All day long lifting giant ass pieces of metal onto the table, cutting them, and then tossing pieces into a hopper. There was a point where I would go weeks without showering because I just stopped caring.

There's railways we used to move the racks full of things that need cutting and one time I actually stuck my leg in front of one when some other people were moving it in the hopes that I would lose it and be able to claim disability. Thankfully they were able to stop it in time but I was serious about finding a way to "accidentally" get myself hurt so I could stop working. Unless you've been at that mental level I don't give a shit what you have to say about my NEET lifestyle. I may be 34 and live with my parents but I've read all of Tolstoy and Dostoevsky. Maybe someday I'll be fluent in Greek and be the happiest homeless man in the world.

>>17845630
king

>>17837730
Most Australians live off the government I have found. I travelled there about 10 years ago and damn near every single bloke and whore I met worked jobs under the table paid in cash while getting government assistance.

>>17845573
Glad to hear that. I’ve ran into a couple of artists on /ic/ with similar tastes but none of us have posted our work. I suspect we all share a peculiar reticent sort of character

>>17845630
Good on you anon

>>17845671
what else should they be doing? it's fucking australia, m8.

>>17845702
>I suspect we all share a peculiar reticent sort of character
Haha I definitely do.

>>17844603
No

>>17844579
sounds like you got meme'd on chad neets are reading and fucking your gf

>>17843326
Have some sympathy.

>>17839461
I have a nephew that just had a kid. He won't even get a paternity test even though she's a ho and fucked around before. I just don't understands that tolerate this shit. There is a time and place for honor killing.

>>17841481
Very obvious evolutionary dynamics. Like if you do even an intro to evolutionary biology the reason why women might do this should jump out at you without even having to be told about the specific situation.

You may as well ask 'why would a man sleep around with lots of women'.

>>17842813
It's funny how the anons that are the most insistent on "going outside" tend to hold the most idealistic conceptions of reality.

>>17847168
Keep prodding him.

>>17843971
autism and mongoloid blood flow within me, i am a spiritual finn

>>17845630
You dropped this, Anon.

I wouldn't mind working maybe 3 days a week on something then doing my own writing stuff on the rest, but if I ever want a house or anything that's just not possible. Feels bad.

>>17841624
My life is more or less like the right pic (not as extreme though) and every day I dream of the day some kind of UBI passes so I can finally become a forest NEET.

>>17843384
God, I hope she goes to hell.

>>17844579
You think this because you literally do not know how to function without extrinsically provided goals. I think most people are like this.
I was a NEET for about a year and a half after graduating. I burned out on games in a month or two.
At a certain point all of the things I'd wanted to learn in the past came flooding back to me and I created a curriculum for myself.
Most people I know who have had extended periods of unemployment but are still able to survive on savings or what-have-you have similar stories.
I think there is a lot of untapped potential that sapped by our working culture.

>>17848560
you will never be a real finn

>>17840834
>he thinks work gives your life purpose

>>17845671
A lot harder to do that these days. My first job was doing the same thing.
You probably got over-exposed though by being a tourist/working holiday/whatever. People working in hospitality and other working-holiday type jobs are the ones doing that because those jobs pay under the table so that they can pay below minimum wage. So if you're getting paid below minimum and under the table you may as well claim centrelink and make up the difference.
It fucking sucks though, a proper job that gives super, holidays and real pay is way better.

>>17849605
>some kind of UBI passes so I can finally become a forest NEET.
Why not just save up a couple k and become a forest neet now? Forest Anon manages it just working odd jobs on farms during the busy season (if I understood what he does correctly).

>>17837637
Sorry, but yes. We have given up on committed relationships and families as a society so why should anyone actually want to work? So you can afford more 'stuff'? Not interested.

>>17841624
>me living as a NEET
>spend a good deal of my time reading journal articles online
>"wait a second I could get paid for this"
>sign up for uni (govt. gives an allowance here and I don't have to keep going in for interviews like you do on the jobseeker payment)
>3 years later start my first day as a lab technician
>put in a bit of work for 6 months outshining everyone else in the lab
>get promoted and promoted again to research scientist
>now spend my days doing 90% of the same thing I did as a NEET but getting paid for it
Pretty comfy. Pay could be better when compared to other jobs (science jobs suck here) but it's a lot more than NEETbux.

>>17849502
>if I ever want a house or anything that's just not possible
You could just live in a first world city and then even working full-time in an upper-middle class white collar professional job you still can't afford property :^)
Also, have a look into FIRE (financial independence).

>>17849823
French people have always given up that stuff

>>17849823
Is this an American/Korean (American-influenced) phenomenon?
I'm friends with the people at work and we do occasional Friday drinks and rock climbing and get togethers like that.

>>17847168
The purpose of a man is to pay taxes to the ruling class and supporting women

lets spread some NEET culture in this motherfucking thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0krhCNCx9w
Don't wanna die,
Don't wanna live
I wanna fly so high, that
I can leave it all behind
Welcome to the NSK.
Home every day.
Hard work kills nigger,
all we do is play.
Get your feet up
Turn the beat up
Fuck that tea cup
Room full of sodas
and I drink 'em by the liter
I'm just rhymin
eating ramen

>>17849985
>fast-food, soda, vidya, anime, sex toys and porn
just as cringe as the rest of the pic

>>17849846
What country are you in?

>>17850154
Australia

>>17849812
I'm too much of a coward to just jump off and leave everything behind.
What if you need to go back for whatever reason?
Having at least some sense of security is what would seal the deal, but at the moment I would need to save for years in order to have a good backup plan.
Besides, leaving like that means killing your professional career, that's not a problem if you don't have one in the first place, but if I did leave for 5 or more years I would probably be cut out of my line of work forever. An UBI would make this a non issue since you could manage without working for the rest of your life if you are a bit frugal.

>>17850229
Look into FIRE.
What's your career that you would be completely cut out? You'd certainly fall behind in progression and have to explain the gap (honestly saying you were a hermit for a couple years would impress the right kind of interviewer) but I can't think of any careers where you would be cut-out barring ones with qualifications that require upkeep.

>>17849846
>Is this an American/Korean (American-influenced) phenomenon?
Yes. In America, it’s taboo to have any non-work relationships with your coworkers. It’s a pretty new development and the result of all this PC stuff. It’s extremely tragic since we have a generation that was simultaneously encouraged to put off friends and marriage until they’re older only to find out they’re not allowed to have friends or marriages when their older.

I’m considering leaving my job in June. On paper, it’s a decent job. It has a student loan forgiveness program, 20 years to a pension, good benefits, but I just hate it so much. My lease expires in June so I’m going to move back in with a parent in the least and probably quit the job too so I can do something else. I’ll be 28 so it sucks living with my parents again but I don’t know what else to do. I don’t really see a reason to keep living otherwise. My single biggest regret is not taking up writing when I was younger.

>>17850256
That sucks, I have heard it's good not to say too much to coworkers because they might use it against you later. Easy enough for me since I don't tell my friends many private things either.
We have our issues here too though. At least in the city I live (Sydney) it's a common phenomena that people have their group of friends from high school and that's it. You don't really make new friends unless they're migrants/temporary residents, gets quite cliquey.

>>17850274
I really don't understand why people are so ashamed to live with their parents. Traditionally homes were multi-generational and it's only the modern consumer culture that convinced everybody they need to have their own house. Live with your parents as long as possible and save as much as you can. You could probably get a part time job and still be able to save and invest a shitload of money over just a few years. Imagine where you would be if you never moved out to begin with.

>>17850344
Absolutely agreed. I moved out as soon as I was able because I was living in a 2.5 (really two bedrooms and a study but it was being used as a third bedroom) bedroom house with my parents and 2 brothers. I couldn't wilfully allow my youngest brother to go into high school still sleeping in our parent's bedroom (the only room with enough room for two beds).
If I had been able to stay back or if I could move back now I would in a heartbeat. You're not only saving the cost of accommodation but so many expenses benefit from economies of scale. Food, heating etc become much cheaper per person when you increase the number of people.

>>17850293
We have a lot of social problems here that no one talks about. In America, it’s common to move many times even as far as across the country. All of my high school friends faded away as we all moved in different directions. That is, if they didn’t overdose or end up in jail or something, which most young people will have friends who did now. Then off to college, which was really a miserable experience, and the friends I made in college were the same deal just without the drugs and crime. They all moved elsewhere so we barely keep in touch anymore. I haven’t made any friends since graduating because like I said, you don’t do that at your workplace. I couldn’t even if I wanted to honestly. I had a girlfriend that I met in college but she left in 2018 so I haven’t met any girlfriends either. It gets really really lonely, really fast for a lot of Americans. Some people get lucky and do everything right I guess, they grow up in nice areas, go to the city for school, stay in the city and get a job at a big young company where they meet a lot of people and they’re fine. Not the case for me. I had to go to a land grant Uni out in farm country and then the only job I could get was in the same town.

>>17850344
For me personally, the biggest reason is just because I don’t really like being pinned down by my family. I’ve been looking to make changes in my life and I feel like old friends and family stop me from doing that fully. I also have been living on my own for quite a while now so it feels like a step backward. Honestly, I regret so much of my life at this point that it feels inconsequential. If it doesn’t work out, I’ll just jump off a bridge or something.

>>17850447
Here you commute to uni and go home straight after classes, so there's no real uni culture (again aside from the migrants/temporary residents). I haven't spoken to any of my uni mates since we finished uni, occasionally I check how they're doing on linkedin.

>>17850459
Uni culture is retarded here. It might sound good that you don’t have to commute but it’s not. What ends up happening is you get farmed for student loan debt to live on what was really a giant daycare/indoc facility often times out in the boonies because they have a football team or something and you proceed to spend the next 4-6 years getting blackout drunk and doing drugs either because you’re a hedonist or depressed or you just hole up in your room and play video games or both. You get nothing out of the experience besides an enormous bill. I mentioned above that I’m 28 and I want to be writer. How is it that I went to University and was exposed to serious reading and literature so late in my life? The answer is because you do nothing at these places. I actually got poked fun at while I was reading a book on campus one time. The environments there are just a disaster snd most people come to regret their experience.

>>17837654
He's right. Covid is an abstract presence, an "invisible enemy". It doesn't really exist outside of tampered statistical data.

>>17850250
I'm getting a PhD in chemistry in a second rate European university.
The pay is barely enough to scrap by and I feel like I'm way too overworked without a proper compensation.
Almost everyday I feel like I got trapped in this career cause all I really want to do is spend time in nature, read literature and philosophy and learn some languages, but I have way too little time to do it.
I let my mom push me into studying STEM because of the career opportunities and now my job prospects are either spending years sucking dick to get a comfy but uninteresting job in academia or try and get going into the industry, where I could probably earn reasonably well, but I feel like I would spend every single day of my life waiting for my shift to be over so I can get going with what I want to do.
If I could go back to the time I was 18 I would study philosophy in uni and if I couldn't find a spot in academia I would try to be a park ranger or something like that.
Maybe it's just that grass is always greener, all I know is that I am wasting my life when I could be hiking and learning Latin..

>>17850660
>If I could go back to the time I was 18 I would study philosophy in uni and if I couldn't find a spot in academia I would try to be a park ranger or something like that.
That sounds cool. When I think about what I would do differently were I 18 again, I seriously get shutters down my spine because it’s so unbearable to think about. So many things would be done differently.

I think the flaw in his analysis is that he makes burnout to be a cultural problem when really it is a technological problem. That is, burnout is a consequence of subordinating workers to the rapid speed of digital information economy.

The farmer may get tired, but they don't get burned out. Because they cannot really increase the natural rate of the growth of their crops or livestock. They are running on the time which is what nature intended for humans. The people most susceptible to burnout are those within the machine or working on the machine, tech workers and other generally well paid educated professionals. These are the jobs which the culture promotes as the most desirable.

>>17837640
>>17837643
>>17837647
believe it or not, its harder than said to be a neet

>>17850737
Technology is cultural

>>17850344
I hate living with my mother. Not having a place to live on my own is probably the biggest source of unhappiness in my life but even with a basic job it wouldn't be possible.

Imagine contributing anything to this degenerate society in freefall. Meanwhile you could just throw 1k into any shitcoin year ago and have 200k now, like yours truly. I will never work a day in my life

>>17840541
External constraint have become internal. You are your own slave-master.

>>17850737
>Because they cannot really increase the natural rate of the growth of their crops or livestock
Have you missed the last 70 years of innovations in pharma/tech/agriculture?

>>17840945
if you worked for a while and paid taxes you can get EI. I worked full time for three years and got let go in August 2019. Since then working odd jobs, amounting to at least 200hrs working entitles you to some cash. Been doing that for since then and its been pretty calm for the most part

>>17850344
because parents are mind raping cunts these days in case you haven't noticed
they're on their phone more than a zoomer

>>17850256
>It’s extremely tragic since we have a generation that was simultaneously encouraged to put off friends and marriage

they deserved it if they listened to that stuff

>>17850660
>I let my mom push me into studying STEM because of the career opportunities

AHYAHAHA lmaoing at you retards, why do so many idiots trust adults and ruin their futures because of it?

>>17851289
> you deserve alienation and loneliness if you listened to your parents as a child

>>17851344
> why do children trust adults?
Gee, anon. I wonder...

>>17851351
>>17851362
if you blindly trusted them yeah, did you ever think oh what are they basing this advice off, do they actually know what they are talking about?

>>17851393
>Your parents: just go to college, work hard and you'll be good! Don't do something useless like literature and you'll be automatically hired for life
>TV: just go to college and follow your dreams, work hard and you'll do fine!
>Literally every modern success story: folwe ur draems and werk har!
>Guess I'll follow my dreams and work hard...
>WRONG CHOICE BUDDY HAHAHAHAHA YOU'RE FUCKED FOR LIFE

>>17840834
The fact you're so mad shows your "purpose" ain't doing it for you

>>17851473
yeah I was smart enough to see through all that stuff, normies owned

>>17839461
>I blame myself every day for suggesting that fucking stupid test
Women will never understand. I'd rather find out the truth and kill myself than live a lie. Give me honour before happiness.

>>17851344
I'm glad my mom pushed me into civil engineering. I now have a stable job and can spend my free time learning Latin and learning the Bible. I also can invest my money into shitcoins which could give me a shot at early retirement. If my helicopter mom didn't push me into STEM I would have to learn to code like every other jackass with a worthless degree and I probably wouldn't even find a job afterwards.

>>17837637
yes

>>17851917
How do I get to this frame of mind? My job is fine on paper but every moment feels like I’m actually dying. I have a really hard time just being okay with a life like this.

>>17852010
I switched my main board from /lit/ to /biz/. I spend half the day fantasizing about early retirement from shitcoins because while I can't imagine spending the rest of my life at work. I'd shill you a few coins but I just finished a 5 day ban and don't want to get banned again so soon.

>>17851690
I studied East Asian languages. The idea was traveling and becoming a live translator. I really liked the idea of traveling around the world. It never happened because I got sick but I doubt I would've gone anywhere had I finished my degree.

>>17852042
because I can't*

>>17852010
the key is in his post. mummy pushed him to do it. it all goes back to mummy dearest. so tell us about your relationship with your mom and there certainly will be the key to your dissatisfaction.

>>17852058
She would've probably disowned me if I didn't do it. I was pretty bitter about it at the time but in hindsight I'm glad she did it. She doesn't bother me much these days. I'll probably do the same to my kids so that they don't end up as deadbeat degenerates.

>>17852058
My mom pushed me into college but didn’t give a shit what I did while I was there. She mentioned that she wanted me to become a lawyer or doctor and would say things like “You’re so a lawyer.” I specifically did not study law because of that. I speak to her maybe a few times per year and I think she’s a narcissist and a little crazy. I tend not to take her advice but I still love her.

>>17852042
should have bought pepsico a month ago for 128

>>17852088
>>17852190
textbook. authoritarian mommy pushed anon into civil service, postmodern mommy made vague gestures to some spheres she did not understand. you can't be content because you're not living your destiny, anon; you're not living your destiny because mommy never made it manifest.

>>17837737
muh nigga, just bought battery replacement to my 10 yo kindle

>>17852088
Fuck that shit man. I would be prouder of my kids if they followed their passion and get a humanities or arts degree our of genuine love for it rather than them being a run of the mill insectoid in STEM.

>>17852308
>followed their passion
fastest most direct way straight into the fucking gutter. never parent, anon.

>>17852308
You're assuring them a life of meaningful suffering, at least

>>17841624
5 years later, neet is depressed and wagie is tempered

>>17843937
technically not NEET

>>17852308
You can't even live poor with an arts degree (no need for a degree, just waste a few years on art / writing / your "dream" ) unless you are born rich or you literally suck cock. What you end up with is just wageslaving and having no time for your "passion", or at the very best turning your "passion" into yet another wageslave work without soul
t. planning to an hero soon

>>17837637
German neet here, just had to have a breakdown, 7 hospital visits (most of them 6 weeks minimum), BPD, heavy Depression, compulsive Disorder. Now collecting neetbux and grappling with suicidal ideation.

>>17852308
>>17852382
I don't know why you fags don't do what the animefags in /wg/ do and just set up a royal road account and a patreon.

>>17852382
read christs samurai before you do

>>17852251
Spend less time on this imageboard

How do you get NEETbux in America in you're perfectly healthy?

>>17852308
I did a few literature courses for my elective requirements and the classes were 90% girls. The rest were simps. If someone unironically chooses to enroll in the humanities in some university and go into debt for it instead of just buying books and reading them himself it means he's a pseud poser who never had any substance in him to begin with. How devoid of self-respect do you have to be to study humanities in the absolute sewage that universities have become in 2021? Fucking hell I'm glad I don't come to this board that often anymore when this is the level of insight I have to contend with. /biz/ is much better in content and I've had better conversations about literature on fucking /a/ than here.

>>17852406
No Am*rican is perfectly healthy

>>17852395
>set up a royal road account and a patreon.
is this some kind of gay stripper thing, no thanks
>>17852397
not interested in religion

>>17852308
ngmi

>>17852454
Oh no it's even worse, self-publishing
I'd rather shove things up my ass than write cancer isekai YA

>>17844113
A better link
https://b-ok.asia/book/3505318/67ed38

>Quit job August 2020.
>Decide to invest in crypto and stocks in December 2020.
>Flash forward 3 months. Lose $8k of my $13k in savings. $5k is still left in investments.
Currently, I only have $400 in my bank account and I talked to a navy recruiter earlier this week. Is it over bros? Should I just an hero?

>>17852049
are you French by any chance

>>17852465
>Oh no it's even worse, self-publishing
>I'd rather shove things up my ass than write cancer isekai YA
>simping a dying industry
Traditional publishing is dying. I don’t know why, faggots like you still want to be in it.

>>17852705
Do you know anything about publishing? I want to publish a book freely for anyone to read without charging anything. What do I do?

>>17839461
All women are whores

>>17852705
It's not that I want to simp for publishing, it's just that doing this shit over the internet is retarded. You're basically a writer/artist/musician after a "brand" or social media personality and if you can't/don't want to be that you're screwed.

>>17852649
Money is a stupid thing to an hero over, especially if you’re not supporting a wife and/or kids.

>>17852406
NEETbux is pretty much a meme if you’re healthy, male, and white. You could get disability if you somehow got a disability but you’re going to have to spend a lot of time and money to claim it to the point it’s not worth it. If you don’t have a relative or friend to live off, you’re just SoL.

>>17852756
Yeah, but I was a dumbass and now I'm down so much. I just want to live my life. Thought about moving abroad to Vietnam, but with $5k that would just be rough...

>>17852394
I’m both sympathetic and jealous. I’ve confessed elsewhere that I would like to survive a suicide attempt or have a nervous breakdown and be mentally ill. The reason is because I’m not quite ready to go. I want to get close and see if there’s some kind of metamorphosis before I check out. How do you feel about your life now?

>>17852251
I have no idea what you mean. My dad wasn’t around and mom never really helped me with anything so I just kind of slogged through college in whatever. It took me 6 years to graduate and 8 to even figure out what it is that I actually want to do with my time. A bit late to the game now. I’m not sure I “live my destiny” at this point. The time for that was almost a decade ago.

>>17852766
$5k would be enough to get you set up. Honestly, the Air Force or the Navy are not the worst options. You might even like it.

>>17852465
So wait, people pay them to write specific light novels in English or something?

>>17852802
Yes.

>>17852649

What kind of investments did you do that made you lose so much money?

>>17849697
It drives me mad, knowing there's no hell for such people.

>>17853068
GameStop.

>>17841506
Yep, that redditor probably made it up. But incidents similar to that story happen more often than you may think.

>>17853068
On /biz/ they often shill shitcoins. I kept gambling on them and the losses add up quick. The trick is being extremely early on these. If you're late, they go nowhere.

>>17852399
never. it is in my dna, and i have given myself into its dna. you are wasting your time.

I have a hovel in a trailer park that costs 350$ a month in rent.
Thanks to a period of being homeless and cashing away welfare checks for a rainy day, my only expenses for the next four months are canned food and toothpaste.
I'm trying to develop a passive income stream and if I can work it up to $500 a month I'll move to the third world and retire, or buy a sailboat and retire.
The way I see it, paying taxes and contributing to society is for women and cucky basedboys with a college degree and office job.

>>17845254
Yeah same shit for me too, laid off on the 11th. Was a relief and I have almost 10 months of bennies waiting for me. Fuck corporate work. Money isn't worth the time and stress, it's better to live modestly and happy.

>>17837637
Yes.

>Yes.

>>17837637
Today I have decided to become a neet.
I will fail all my exams this week, there's no point in continuing this farce.

>>17837700
>you can do anything!
This is very poisonous for children. I went through elementary school in the 90s and this was the mantra. Not only that, but guidance-counselor types would come into classrooms and discuss "warm fuzzies" and "cold pricklies" as good/bad feelings which had meaning. This was probably geared towards the tiny subset of children who were literally being raped/abused, but the message was given to all.

Is anybody surprised that an opiate addiction crisis of previously unimaginable scale took hold on this generation? The generation told to seek "warm fuzzies"? Is there a better description of an opiate high?

I made it through the mess by being a slacker. Still ended up with offers of full academic scholarships throughout the university landscape. Ended up with a physics degree and no desire to matriculate further (professors mostly seemed overworked, underpaid, and depressed). Went to work and was on a career path (fast track) that was very lucrative but had an empty life. Left because I was attacked for making better decisions than the boomer leaders of certain business areas, and had no need for money as my hope for a family was dashed by an unstable woman who I wouldn't even have gone out for a first date with had I known what I know now.

I'm now a borderline alcoholic ("warm fuzzies") with aspirations to become a modern apostle and roam the world spreading what little I know of the Truth at risk of death by starvation or persecution.

Wewlad, that turned into a longer rant than I intended.

>>17854694
>This is very poisonous for children.
I agree but for a different reason. Being told you can be 'anything' places a lot of pressure on a kid. Their options are now infinite. I think some people can become paralyzed by the sheer number of choices and end up making mistakes out of fear.

I also studied physics and enjoyed a lot of it but looking back I consider it a waste of time. I was just scared of commiting to something that I actually cared about and so chose something that would supposedly gaurantee me my choice of jobs. Of course most of those jobs are, as you said, lucrative but empty. If I had just stuck with what I was good at and studied philosophy or something then sure, I probably still wouldn't have a job but at least I would been honest to myself.

Maybe this all sounds stupid and I'm just projecting my own mistakes onto others. However, I really do think that giving people too many choices is a bad idea. If I have two choices then I go with my immediate gut instinct and am usually happy with it. If I have a thousand choices I'm going to give myself a nervous breakdown trying to determine the optimal one. Freedom of choice, past a certain point, is overrated.

>>17854930
>choices
Ever walked into a gas station and spend an entire minute or two trying to choose between all of the beverage offerings only to eventually grab a bottle of water? Why wasn't it instant?

Analysis paralysis. It is worse for many than the best outcome of "mobility" provided by a "wide open" future.

There are individuals who are better suited to stations above/below those of their parents, but this can be handled easily. To throw the majority of the youth into the asinine tumbler of modern academia and hope for the best is insane. Many who never belonged there in the first place take up room and dumb things down. Many who were up to the task fell to the partying and nihilism of those who didn't belong. It was rare to see a professional student (in the best sense, the sense of one who took it deathly seriously). Those who did are probably doing well.

>>17853114
you aren't investing them you are a greedy jew trying to get lucky

>>17855028
Goyim

>>17854930
>Being told you can be 'anything' places a lot of pressure on a kid. Their options are now infinite. I think some people can become paralyzed by the sheer number of choices and end up making mistakes out of fear.
This is the exact point that Byung-Chul Han makes in the Burnout Society

>>17855013
I agree completely.

>>17855072
Interesting. Sometimes I think about how things must have been in pre-industrial society. All working class jobs would have been some variation of agricultural labouror or craftsman. The middle class would have been doctors, lawyers, clergy, merchants or some kind of administrator. Then you have the rulers, maybe professional soldiers/sailors and that would be it. There probably were only a few dozen careers across the whole of society and they would almost always be determined by your class.

I'm not an expert on the subject and I'm not necessarily advocating for a return to pre-industrial society but some part of me does think it would make things simpler. There is too much bloat in the modern world and not enough time to get away from it all.

>>17854930
Yeah but who should limit your options? The state, your parents? How?

>>17850538
Based

>>17840546
Even in Poland you get autism neetbux.

>>17850538

The big joke is that you and people like you think it matters. The concepts of "real" and "manufactured" are themselves artifacts.

>>17839461
Islam. NOW

>>17844814
what disability and disability payment do you have?

>>17854930
>>17837700
>>17854694
being told you can do anything is fine as long as you have good role models being told you must be happy is worse specially when hapiness is represented as consoomerism

>>17849812
Is that Nick Mullen?

Good thread lads. I'm in a very easy incredibly boring job that pays the best i've ever had, and all I do is fantasize about moving to the US becoming a game designer and working the gruelling hours for terrible pay.

I'm not even sure I'd be happy doing that.

Good thread lads. I'm in a very easy incredibly boring job that pays the best i've ever had, and all I do is fantasize about moving to the US becoming a game designer and working the gruelling hours for terrible pay.

I'm not even sure I'd be happy doing that.

>>17856922

Where do you live, anon? I have the chance to move to the US (from Europe) but I'm not sure it'd be the right decision. Good money perhaps, but for the rest not so certain.

Good thread lads. I'm in a very easy incredibly boring job that pays the best i've ever had, and all I do is fantasize about moving to the US becoming a game designer and working the gruelling hours for terrible pay.

I'm not even sure I'd be happy doing that.

The whole thread was derailed by that reddit post. God I hate reddit. I wanted to read more about BCH

>>17841047
What is the alternative?

>21 year old simp who got heartbroken yesterday

>>17847193
I am a man and I don't want to sleep around because it would make me feel bad.

>>17856958
welcome to 4chan
this site is dead
99% of posters ITT haven't even read the book and are just complaining about their lives

>>17855476
1 + 1 = 2

>>17856982
1+1 = 0 in group of integers modulo 2

>>17850751
NEET here, I agree. I think about suicide regularly. I never used to, when I had a job. My life has gone completely downhill. NEETdom is probably the worst thing you can do to yourself.

Hartmut Rosa advances an account of the temporal structure of society from the perspective of critical theory. He identifies three categories of change in the tempo of modern social life: technological acceleration, evident in transportation, communication, and production; the acceleration of social change, reflected in cultural knowledge, social institutions, and personal relationships; and acceleration in the pace of life, which happens despite the expectation that technological change should increase an individual's free time.

According to Rosa, both the structural and cultural aspects of our institutions and practices are marked by the "shrinking of the present," a decreasing time period during which expectations based on past experience reliably match the future. When this phenomenon combines with technological acceleration and the increasing pace of life, time seems to flow ever faster, making our relationships to each other and the world fluid and problematic. It is as if we are standing on "slipping slopes," a steep social terrain that is itself in motion and in turn demands faster lives and technology. As Rosa deftly shows, this self-reinforcing feedback loop fundamentally determines the character of modern life.

>>17850660
I'm guessing you went straight into a PhD instead of spending time in industry. I'm also a chemist and went to industry after my bachelors. Good times were had and now I'm back doing a PhD (part-time while still getting good income from my industry job).
You'd have to be really into academia and know that that's what you want to do to go straight for a PhD. Heaps of people end up in careers that aren't even directly related to their degrees.

>>17857140
Why would you go back for a PhD if you are alredy stablished in the industry? Are you going to swap to academia? I have heard of people doing the opposite, but going from the private sector to academia seems quite rare.
I finished my degree, went straight into a masters and when I finished my master thesis director told me about the PhD program and suggested I apply. I wasn't too thrilled about the industry jobs, so I figured I could buy a couple of years worth of time in order to make up my mind while at the same time getting a better curriculum. I knew it would be hard, but I wasn't expecting this amount of work.
Now I expect to finish next year and I'm back at square one, I will probably shoot for an industry job so I can get a decent income and have some time on the side to do what I actually want to do.
I know I'm in a better spot than a lot of anons but I'm just not feeling it. I feel like I have wasted most of my life and now I'll be forced to keep doing so until I retire, which looking at things right now might not even be possible in 30 years time.
I'll just suck it up and get into FIRE like the other anon suggested.

>>17857209
>Why would you go back for a PhD if you are alredy stablished in the industry?
You can only get so far without it. Unless I went into management I only have another two-three promotions left.
>Are you going to swap to academia?
Maybe, but ideally I'd come up with a commercial technology during my PhD and go into a startup. The supervisors I'm working with already have a couple startups. I would like to have a visiting professorship though.
Yeah FIRE is a good idea. Even if you don't go full RE having enough money to be able to walk away from any job and handle downturns is great.

>>17857242
>You can only get so far without it. Unless I went into management I only have another two-three promotions left.
I should probably also say, in my case it's because I'm doing a PhD in something I want to research. I don't mind what I do at work and it's still a valuable contribution but it's not a topic that speaks to me on a personal level.
When I first started earning money after getting a cafe job what I did was build up enough savings that I could comfortably walk away and say fuck you to any boss who fucked with me. So far that hasn't happened but it helps having the confidence to say no to your bosses. One of my colleagues (who funnily enough has a PhD and started over a year before me but earns the same as me) hates working here but can't leave because he has a mortgage and nobody else wants to hire him at the moment.

>>17837637
Until recently I spent the last six months as a neet sucking on the teat of government gibs. While I by no means thrived--I never do anyway-- I was able to pursue creative projects and realize my deeper and more meaningful potential. Now that I have a job, if anything I've declined a little. Added stress, the brute, inhumane requirement that I wake up not when it feels natural to me but as the job demands, the middling pay, the mandatory cooperation.

I do not for one minute feel that i am pursuing success, or furthering my career, or building a future. It is a mere routine that society forces on me so someone else can get richer than I off my labor.

Who here read psychopolitics?

>>17850478
not the anon you replied to but this feels relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebKQq96ouao

as an aussie hearing about the concept of buses rolling around american campuses expressly for the purpose of picking up blackout drunk 19yr olds is so insane to me. Also grad school both here and over there seems like even more of a debt trap but for different reasons.

>>17857497
How's grad school a debt trap here Anon? The govt. gives you 26k for the pleasure of your research and there's no HECS-HELP.

>>17857497
sorry should have timestamped to 5:44 ish

>>17856998
You are naturally a slave/worker caste so it makes sense, I was never happier then when I was a NEET. Different people have different desires.

>>17839461
i felt an indescribable emptiness when i read that "he was not our father." holy fuck

>>17840921
See ya at work on Monday, champ!

>>17857507
youre right wtf am i talking about. I should really stop tapping out these posts as just a stream of consciousness and think through what im saying.
Anyways the vague thought i was trying to express is that the number of people coming out of these programs vs. the number of places in academia (or private sector positions that favor people who have done those programs) seems way out of balance, as expressed in the video link. But youre right, debt trap was absolutely the wrong phrase.

>>17840805
do us all a favour and kill yourself

>>17857588
Oh yeah you're definitely right there. I work in an industry R&D lab with a bachelors, my coworkers have a PhD and a master's but we all earn the same. The PhD chemist started over a year before me and the master's chemist started ~8 months after me. Suffice to say the PhD is in a constant state of seethe these days.

>>17857507
The majority of humanities graduate students accrue 5 figure debt from graduate school.

>>17857645
Here = Australia. But you bring up a good point, I forgot about coursework degrees.

>>17854694
The Millenials are the single most abandoned generation in history, I think. Parents totally failed them. Teachers totally failed them. Community totally failed them. Didn’t quite have the internet-based red pilling that Zoomers got.

>>17857652
It’s all fucked dude. I dropped out of my master’s program and got a job working on staff at the same university I went to school for. I have a crisis of consciousness everyday realizing I’m helping create financial indentured servants.

>>17857645
Is that on top of the debt they have from their undergraduate? I've heard some shit about humanities grads taking almost a decade to finish their PhDs but I assumed that was because they were working a day job to support themselves.

>>17857676
Yes. Some choose to work alongside their degree, some as research assistants, which is a job that pays $10 per hour.

>>17857657
every generation gets worse. you think zoomers are any better? they are high excitement dopamine addict more alienated than any generation before

>>17857694
They at least have some fight in them. Millennials have this pathetic learned helplessness. Speaking as one I feel rather qualified on the subject.

>>17857694
Zoomers have more problems but that’s partially because they have more awareness. What’s worse? Being raised by the internet or being raised by no one? I guess you can decide.

>>17857514
>You are naturally a slave/worker caste
Says the guy who's a fucking NEET and has no aspirations for anything. You're genetically the lowest of the low. You're genetic scum.

>>17857690
Fuck, why does anyone bother? If Spinoza can write philosophy whilst working as a lens-carver then surely these people could just find a simple job and read in their free time. Are they just obsessed with the idea of being an academic?

>>17857716
>They at least have some fight in them
<zoomers have some fight in them
>They at least have some fight in them
<zoomers have some fight in them

zoomers are objectively in a worse spot in every aspect of life. one only has to look at entartainment as cheap way to measure. my cousin has zoomer sons i see weekly. they are screen drones with no ground on reality. this pandemic is the last nail in the coffin

do you actually know zoomers or are you deducing this from internet behavior?

What's Han's deal? As in, what philosophical tradition is he actually steeped in? He utilizes a lot of Hegel, but clearly isn't interested in Hegelianism, nor does he seem to neatly fit into any dialectical materialist framework.

>>17857742
both suck

test

>>17854608
this is good. Believe me, dropped out too. Only degree worth something is engineering or something computer related.

>>17853072
Anon do not fret. I had a near death experience earlier this year, and I can say without a doubt that there IS something waiting on the other side. Christ is king, and He always will be.

>>17857773
Yes, or they’ve been conditioned into it either by a community around them that encourages it or by themselves feeling they have no alternative. You’ll hear things like you can never be too educated. Yeah, sure but can you be in too much debt? Can you waste too much time? At the same time, they’ve been deprived of obvious alternatives. For example, you used to be able to go to school for 4-5 years and obtain a law degree. That might be a good alternative for a lover of English literature or philosophy, no? Nowadays, you can’t do that though and so the process of thought is “Well I might as well just study English for 8 years” and they get lured in by the idea that they’ll be doing interesting research on things when they won’t. I had a time where I wished I had studied a humanities field even if just for undergrad. After seeing it up close, it became clear just how much bullshit all of it is. I got my degree in economics, which I absolutely loathed and still do but I’m not convinced there was ever a good alternative. Try telling that to someone though.

>>17857778
>do you actually know zoomers or are you deducing this from internet behavior?
Can agree, am zoomer. Our generation doesn't give a fuck because they've already given up. Everyone is some sort of pseud nihilist nowadays.
I limited my screen time considerably, cut out all media and I don't even watch tv, and so far I can say this is the happiest I've ever felt in my life. I spend most of my time trying to improve bit by bit, maybe someday I'll shape myself into something respectable. I'm more worried about the generation that comes after us, they're growing up with the censored net. The only thing that really helped me maintain a shred of masculinity were the ironic-pol tard posters. Dad was never around, and academia punishes masculinity so I consider myself pretty lucky to have made it this far.

>>17857826
>Dad was never around
this is true for 90% of our generation

>>17857826
And you’re reading. Like half of all Millenials in your shoes literally never read either because they were addicted to CoD modern warfare or they were told reading was gay.

>>17857754
Insane amounts of cope.
Workers and laborers have been the lower castes in every single society since the beginning of civilization. Leisure and scholarship have always been the privileges of the most fortunate.
There is nothing more pathetic than thinking wasting your life to make shekles for Mr Goldberg is the purpose of your life.
You are a slave to the international financial system and don't even realise it.

>>17857847
counter strike 1.6, counter strike condition zero, starcraft, age of empires 2... ah, those were the days... now zoomers only care about cheap gachas they emulate on their pcs... they run mobile games on their pcs, can you believe it? it is all about freefire and e-girls now.

>>17857857
i am a NEET myself but actually NEETs with no will to live, 0 drive, totally passive, phlegmatic are actually BELOW the lowest working caste in every tradition

>>17857781
a "Heideggerian tradition" ([Lacan], Foucault, Agamben)

He wrote his dissertation on Heidegger

>>17849812
This is a good plan. I’m going to try pursuing a low-impact career (high school teacher) but if I find that too grating I’ll use whatever money I have to buy a small piece of land and put some kind of structure on it. CAD$100k should do nicely. I would much rather concern myself with watering my plants and scraping enough money together to pay for next month’s internet than unironically want to main myself because I can’t bear another few decades of soul-grinding work.

>>17849605
UBI will never be passed, and rightly so. It's even been tested via Negative Income Tax and had poor results.

>>17841498
>lies just kept piling
>cucking your husband thrice more

This isn't some slow-motion tragedy

I just wish I had wealthy parents and could’ve actually discovered what I wanted to do creatively for a living when I was young, instead of parents who didn’t have money and who literally didn’t give a shit what I did with my life. When I look back and realize what little guidance I got or how bad the guidance I did get was, I’m just filled with resentment.

Anyway, living off an allowance from wealthy parents would be ideal.

>>17857778
>do you actually know zoomers or are you deducing this from internet behavior?
I just get that attitude from them. It could all be a show. But they seem angrier than Millennial which is a good thing. Not just sad.

>>17857980
Leaf gubberment is hashing out a plan for an expanded trail. Basically the plan is to ensure everybody (one per household) earns at least 2000/month, regardless of whether they work or not. It’s a nice idea bc min wagies working full time would BARELY make 2k/month. I’m not too worried about mass NEETing ruining the economy bc CAD$2,000 isn’t enough to get you much beyond rent, utilities, food, transport. Most people aren’t happy with that kind of subsistence-level existence. They need to CONSOOM.

>>17857857
>Workers and laborers have been the lower castes in every single society since the beginning of civilization. Leisure and scholarship have always been the privileges of the most fortunate.

Undeniable truth.

>>17852649
How the hell do you lose money on crypto in bullrun? Literally buy anything

>>17857754
Wagie coping mechanism

>>17844105
This is a single instance among millions of families. Be true to yourself and carry on.

>>17857857
>>17858706
>>17858764
See this guy's post: >>17857869

Guess what workers have? Kids. So they pass on their genes. They're clearly genetically pretty good if they're strong enough to work and pass on their genes.

Guess what NEETs don't have? Kids. So they don't pass on their genes. Their genes are probably pretty shit if they aren't even capable of working.

>>17855529
BREXIT

>>17858969
Nigga you are clueless.
The best possible life it's the one orthodox jews enjoy in Israel. They spend their life enrolled in academic institutions funded by the goverment (actually by the US but whatever) where they receive an stipend to study and provide for their family.
Those people spend their whole lives reading (bunk Jewish supuperstition but reading nonetheless) and having around 10 kids while their semi slave tradwife cleans and cooks for their lazy ass.
Neetdom is literally their way of life, funded by forcing clueless goys like you to pay for all of that through their zionist lobbies..

>>17858969
cope wagie
theres plenty of incel workers, it’s better to be an incel neet than an incel wagie lmao. and thats even implying all neets are incels. sour grapes youre literally just coping calling them losers

>>17859136
>Neetdom is literally their way of life
Except without the family, you fucking moron.

>>17859199
Seething virgin detected. Your genes will perish with you.