/lit/ - Literature

>>17829291
i shan't

>>17829291
It's propaganda, not poetry.

>>17829291

We do?

>>17829317
I think god everyday I'm not this mentally ill.

>>17829291
Trust look too Ashbury and Merrill, plenty of American talent.

>>17829291
poetry has been shit for the past 50 or so years. even if this is shit, this has nothing on rupi kaur.

>>17829355
Yes it's a good thing not to be jewish

>>17829362
neither of them were great poets

>>17829369
Rupi is Canadian, though.

>>17829381
doesn't matter when she is one of the best selling poets right now and the face of the biggest contemporary poetry scene

>>17829402
Is she big in the US? I'm curious.

>>17829374
>Jews tend to be successful
Who cares retard. Go get some fresh air.

>>17829291
>Explain yourselves.
You can't understand it without understanding the BIPOC perspective, chud. Educate yourself.

>>17829477
Native Americans hate niggers

>>17829487
It's because of internalized white supremacy

>>17829495
No, they naturally hate them. And they are well within their right. POC can't be racist after all.

>>17829487
proof? genuinely curious

>>17829355
Doesn't have much to do with mental illness. It's just difficult to understand why the world looks as it does. 'Jews' are the patriarchy are the capitalists are the bilderbergers are the reptilians.

>>17829473
But why though? Why are they so overrepresented? If the same had happened to white or Chinese people, everyone would be up in arms to do something about it, why not with jews?

>>17829564
It is happening with Chinese people and for the same reason that it happened for Jews. Overrepresentation is a concept that should only be applied if it were undeserved. You're after all not agreeing to the notion that whites are overrepresented compared to blacks.

>>17829578
Very disingenuous. White vs black overrepresentation is not nearly as skewed as jew vs non-jew representation. Who decides when it is deserved or not? Why do you not want these questions asked? Why are jews so overrepresented? Could it be they practice some form of nefarious nepotism?

>>17829578
Jews make up an even smaller portion of the population than blacks, y'know.

I think its your problem. The problem being you are racist trash

>>17829603
>>17829609
It's the IQ differential. The average Jew has somewhere around the IQ of an average college graduate. What nepotism do you think leads to them being the greatest Chess players in the world for example? It's silly, if nepotism would work everyone would do it. Reality is nepotism is notoriously harmful to business, meaing as an antisemite you should celebrate the practice of it among Jews.

>>17829291
This pretty much explains it.

>>17829637
>Reality is nepotism is notoriously harmful to business, meaing as an antisemite you should celebrate the practice of it among Jews.
how are you Rabbi? having a good day?

>>17829379
You're a fucking moron with zero knowledge in poetry if you genuinely think this.

>>17829603
It is nepotism(as well as iq) but it's not really nefarious. It's maybe not ideal to have a lot of Js in positions of influence in your country but the structural problems are bigger than them. You have to realize that nepotism is not a centralized conspiracy, it's an ethnocentric psychological tendency that creates alterations in large scale social patterns- especially overrepresentation. But does this mean that without this ethnic group we wouldnt have ctrl banks, mass immigration, etc? I don't think so. Elites of non-jish background also benefit from these things.

basically jish psych differences are real, but that just means you have to factor them into your analysis of how jish populations behave within structures that they did not create themselves by some kind of population-wide conspiracy. Little mafias of jish people did indeed play an (overrepresented) role in the creation of these institutions but so did little mafias of anglos, etc.

>>17829637
I though IQ differences were fake? Also again very disingenuous, nepotism isn't universal since no other group is like jews, who are both an ethnic and cultural collective. If jews are so high IQ as you stated, wouldn't jewish nepotism ensure that more high IQ jews got into influential positions? It obviously isn't harmful since the majority of international business is headed by jews or people who have married into jewish families. Jews have had to practice nepotism in order to survive as a homeless people in other countries. Nepotism for whites wouldn't work in the same way as it does for jews since whites are individualistic, and jews have very high in-group preference on average. Have you read Culture of Critique? If not, you should. You seem very ignorant on this subject.

>>17829661
That doesn't even make sense. The argument was that nepotism is bad and no one should do it.

No I don't

>>17829670
>the structural problems are bigger than them.
Sure, but they are the physical embodiment of the issue, and if you take out the structure, it means the majority of jews will be removed from these positions
>does this mean that without this ethnic group we wouldnt have ctrl banks, mass immigration, etc? I don't think so. Elites of non-jish background also benefit from these things.
Except that jewish elites work not only for individual gains but also for jewish interests, while non-jew elites only work for personal gains. That is the difference you're not accounting for. That is why the nepotism they practice is nefarious.

>>17829669
merrill has some good poema, ashbery is a hack who got big because stevens died and there was no one left. ashbery is a poormans james tate

>>17829686
No, the argument was that jewish nepotism is different from any other form of nepotism and works against the interests of non-jews and help accumulate jewish power disproportionately. Therefore it is worse than regular nepotism.

>>17829694
>Except that jewish elites work not only for individual gains but also for jewish interests, while non-jew elites only work for personal gains.
Only relatively true. Middle class Jews(most Jews obviously) lose out when their currency gets diluted just as goyim do. Reform Jews in USA have terrible fertility rate, outbreeding, they are just as memed on by prog doctrine, and the Orthodox are actually shit on by elite Jews quite a bit.

I will say that Israel's anomalous behavior on the world stage does seem to indicate that at least some elite Js do care enough about the Jewish people to make sure they have a home, which apparently is beyond the grasp of any Anglo elite or most Euro countries today. So there is truth to this, but the truth shouldn't be overstated to make it sound like Rothschilds main plan is Jish domination, rather than making Rothschilds and friends(which friends include gentiles) powerful and rich at the expense of everyone else including prole jews.

>>17829674
Who do you think you're talking to? Of course IQ is real. Your arguments after that are all over the place. Mine would be Jews are successful because of IQ, there's no big conspiracy on boards full of anglos to promote Jews. Jews are at the top of a lot of businesses but that doesn't translate broadly because their population numbers are just too small. I'm not talking about whites in regard to nepotism, all the primitive tribal groups practice it without end and to no avail. The whole issue isn't even relevant, high IQ Jews have given up on the whole tribe thing. They are rapidly being assimilated and lose their group IQ in the process. Jewish achievement is a temporary phenomenon, a legacy of middle ages.

instead of all this empty talk of ethnicity could someone post an excerpt instead

>>17829830
Why do you need excerpts? Obviously it's just the same banal shit as always.

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>>17830253
That meme without argument just signifies impotence and of course it's not an approved thought whatsoever, IQ is anathema and those Jews propably don't like the idea of disappearing or losing their ability either.

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>>17830313
There are no Jews where I live, they're all dead.

>>17830340
See that explains why you can't understand the issue and keep yapping on about IQ which is only part of the equation

>>17830348
I read all the arguments and explanations and I of course have cultural exposure to Jewish life and thought. Your interpretation is just bad and lazy. It fails on so many levels and it is in no way necessary to formulate an opposition against the things you perceive as harmful. In fact the adoption of that sort of idiotic ideology just makes it easy to marginalize you.

>>17830372
So you've read Culture of Critique? What did you think of MacDonald's thesis?

>>17830372
>It fails on so many levels and it is in no way necessary to formulate an opposition against the things you perceive as harmful.
No it doesn't, it accounts for the fact that even non high IQ jews can work themselves into positions of power, and why equally high IQ non-jews don't practice the same form of ethnic nepotism.
>In fact the adoption of that sort of idiotic ideology just makes it easy to marginalize you.
That's retarded, it should be about truth no matter the consequences.

>>17830382
I actually have my own version of such a theory but I'm sure his goes way too far (haven't read his books). I prefer to explain Jewish behaviour with simple mechanisms and originating from the individual.

>>17829495
>mental gymnastics

>>17830446
>haven't read his books
You should, it dispels many of the fallacies you hold.
>I prefer to explain Jewish behaviour with simple mechanisms and originating from the individual.
You'll never get to the core of the issue that way.

>>17830446
https://archive.org/details/CultureofC

>>17829291
It's called Intersectional Realism you bigot. Do you even care about the struggle of BIPOC or about emancipation history as a whole?

>>17829291
It's a fad, it will pass away and be forgotten in due course

>>17830413
But we don't really see overrepresentation, right? Again I refer to the objective chess example. The higher you go the more Jewish it gets, it's just a matter of the particular IQ distribution. It doesn't work at all for Jews who don't have that IQ. The Orthodox for example do not seem to express extraordinary achievement. The likely explanation here is that they simple bred out the IQ difference through high and indiscriminate birth rates, regressing to the European mean. Keep in mind that they are the most nepotistic part of Jewry. Pretty much everything you don't like about Jews is doubly true for them, but they have an average IQ and vote 80% Republican. I can explain that but you should have trouble with it.

>>17830459
But I can explain Jewish behaviour better than I've ever seen a nazi doing it. The funny thing is that the issue largely is that Jews are 'nazis' too, at least psychologically.

>>17830508
>But we don't really see overrepresentation, right?
Yes we do. If you can't acknowledge that, this dicussion is over because you're arguing in bad faith.
>Again I refer to the objective chess example.
You cannot equate chess to disproportionate power in media, banking, academia, medicine, law, publishing, etc. High IQ helps but it's not enough. Like I said, your IQ tunnel vision doesn't explain why high IQ non jews don't practice the same form of ethnic nepotism jews do.
>Keep in mind that they are the most nepotistic part of Jewry.
No that's not true at all, the majority of secular jews are just as nepotistic if not more so because they operate in the international community instead of their own community. MacDonald explains why. Just read the books.

>>17830520
No you can't, you just don't take into account many of the aspects because you haven't looked into them. You seem very autistic about it.
>The funny thing is that the issue largely is that Jews are 'nazis' too, at least psychologically.
Yes, even more so. Which basically proves my point.

>>17830550
You have to demonstrate overrepresentation, you're making the allegation. I say it should be in line with their IQ, and it is. Only by removing this variable would you come to the conclusion that something is wrong. That's exactly what the left does with blacks or women. That's where the bad faith is.

Chess demonstrates objectively an intellectual advantage that is almost completely removed from social factors, and surprise, we get the same dominance. Meaning no need for nepotism in the analysis of broader Jewish performance, unless of course you can demonstrate that there is an overrepresentation in relation to IQ. (I would expect a bit of that)

Of course the Orthodox are more nepotistic, they're famouos for it. They all work in family businesses and whine about their idiot cousin in accounting. Secular Jews won't even exist in the future because they marry so often outside of the tribe. This is from a wiki:

n more recent times, rates of intermarriage have increased generally; for example, the US National Jewish Population Survey 2000-01 reports that, in the United States of America between 1996 and 2001, nearly half (47%) of Jews who had married during that time period had married non-Jewish partners. The 1990 National Jewish Population Survey reported an intermarriage rate of 52 percent among American Jews. The possibility that this might lead to the gradual dying out of Judaism is regarded by most Jewish leaders, regardless of denomination, as precipitating a crisis. For this reason, as early as the mid 19th century, some senior Jewish leaders denounced intermarriage as a danger to the continued existence of Judaism."

"In the United States of America, other causes, such as more people marrying later in life, have combined with intermarriage to cause the Jewish community to decrease dramatically; for every 20 adult Jews, there are now only 17 Jewish children. Some religious conservatives now even speak metaphorically of intermarriage as a silent holocaust."

How does this go with MacDonalds theory of group survival? It really does fail on all levels.

>>17830508
If you look at this top 20 based on ELO there are 5 Jewish players, Kasparov, Aronian, Radjabov, Nepomniachtchi, and Fischer, and half of them are only partly Jewish. There are 8 players who are at least part Russian on the list for comparison, and the highest ranked player is a Norwegian

Chess is of course a cultural thing as well, not all cultures care about it equally

>>17830657
sry no idea what happened with the formatting there.

>>17830566
What proves your point? Just because they're hardcore right-wingers in their psychology doesn't mean that magically translates into a global conspiracy. They're actually taught to be the most liberal group resulting in quite a neurotical people. It's not sinister, they are just unable to express their natural psychological predeliction since they themselves are 'the other' and they're paranoid about other people feeling in the same manner about outgroups. See, pretty antisemtic stuff.

>>17830657
You're being very disingenuous, you can't claim to have "read all the arguments and explanations" without having read MacDonald. Also jewish overrepresentation is a fact since society is built on more than just IQ levels and can't be compared to chess.
>Secular Jews won't even exist in the future because they marry so often outside of the tribe. This is from a wiki:
You shouldn't trust wikipedia for these kinds of statistics. And like it or not but the most influential and powerful jews are secular, not orthodox, and they practice in-group nepotism.
>How does this go with MacDonalds theory of group survival? It really does fail on all levels.
No it doesn't, you misrepresent it because you haven't read it but make assumptions instead, and dismiss everything by pointing at IQ. It's very autistic and won't get you anywhere.

>>17830675
Take a broad view of the strongest players in history. About 50% of them are Jewish. Carlsson is a phenomenon, it can of course happen just like not every billionaire or nobel prize winner is Jewish. Jews actually had a top 10 female in there which is just insane. They're usually at 50 max in the overall rankings.

>>17830687
What proves my point is that in-group preference and nepotism are their survival strategy, not just having high IQ (although that helps). They're the most liberal because promoting liberalism helps them survive in foreign nations. If the nation they inhabit is not liberal (i.e. not welcoming to other ethnicities/cultures), they are ousted because they keep to themselves and do not assimilate.
>It's not sinister, they are just unable to express their natural psychological predeliction since they themselves are 'the other' and they're paranoid about other people feeling in the same manner about outgroups.
Yes, but MacDonald's entire thesis is that their behaviour (apart from some really nefarious individuals) is mostly subsconscious. They just innately feel that promoting their own kind helps their own survival, and it does.

>>17830760
That's what that list is attempting to do, it's the highest rankings in the only really 'objective' system for ranking players.

>>17829669
you clearly misunderstand the word 'great'

>>17830657
>>17830687
Anyway just read CoC (https://archive.org/details/CultureofC)) and then come back and we'll have an actual discussion. WOrst case you'll disagree but at least actually know why you disagree. The fact that you try to equate everything to IQ and chess standings tells me enough that you're overlooking very important aspects.

>>17830726
IQ is just the baseline. We can evaluate group perfomance through it. If for example blacks earned as much money as whites something would be wrong because we know about the IQ differential and the IQ income correlation. You can do the same for Jews. They should earn so and so much but do earn this. If you can't do it there is no magical Jewish nepotism bringing them into power. It's not autistic in fact this is the only way to do it. The necessary precondition for your argument.
Jews actually 'suck' at chess, they're more talented in other domains, their IQ is just so elevated that they still dominate. They are verbally strong meaning we should expect a massive presence in for example media, far outweighing what we find in math or physics. And of course that's exactly what we perceive.

If you can't argue MacDonald's points maybe you should read him again.

>>17830770
You see the problem here is that the Jews you accuse of doing that are not pursing that survival strategy. They intermarry and disappear. And those Jews that are pursuing that strategy are not liberals, they're almost the most conservative political element in the United States (again, 80% Trump). It's just horrible analysis.

>>17830822
>If you can't argue MacDonald's points maybe you should read him again.
Jews promote liberalism and out-group preference for others while practicing in-group preference among their own due to their history. Even (especially) when they're secular. You will again go "but muh IQ", just read the book because MacDonald cites many, many examples from primary sources that I can't reproduce here.

>>17829564
Now how the fuck am I supposed to look at this and academically think “yeah nice research” when you don’t even fucking list you “sources”? Or is everything just fuel to a “race war” fire for you? Pathetic desu

>>17830840
No, they are. The thing with jewishness is that you need only one parent to be jewish for the offspring to be jewish. In history it was from the maternal line, but among secular jews the paternal line is now also accepted. That's why your autism doesn't work here. If what you said were true there wouldn't be nearly as many secular jews identifying as jews as there are. Your last point is incorrect, jews always promote liberalism for others. Of course there's exceptions, but let's not pretend Trump was conservative. He was neoliberal, and most "conservative" secular jews are too.

>>17830874
Just do the research for yourself then. Look up the relevant early life sections on wikipedia, you should never just assume. I'm not the one fueling the race war lmao.

>>17829291
>no one will ever be pure enough to translate this

>>17830855
His error is subtle but catastrophic. They psychologically want to pursue in-group preference but they can't because there's no subconscious masterplan. Instead they have to teach their children that toleration is the most important thing because they misinterpret their own psychological hostility to out-groups as the norm but they happen to be that out-group. So now since again there is no masterplan, all their children become shitlibs and begin to marry outsiders and disappear. If you want a not so nice interpretation here it is: their extremely xenophobic mind turns an ideology of toleration into one of annihilation. They want all differences to disappear which means they again arrive in a world where there is no out-group. It's the same psychological need fulfilled though other means. See, much better.

>>17830890
Stop strawmaning like a dumb bitch. Why do you want to see other people killed for their religion or ethnicity so bad?Bloodlust? What would even come of it for you? More land to kill yourself on after you realize the ouroboros of fascism and/or white supremacy keeps splitting your “übermensch” into smaller and smaller groups?

>>17830924
No, wrong. You didn't account for what I said here >>17830879. You confuse what they say with what they do.
>hey want all differences to disappear which means they again arrive in a world where there is no out-group
Except they keep (subconsciously) clinging to their own group even if they say they don't. Just read the fucking book and read the many examples of this. You're being way too autistic about it.

>>17830879
We're talking about Jewish genetics. These disappear, that is what's important. Jews don't promote liberalism see again 80% Trump. That means 80% for a wall and the reborn orange Hitler. You are of course completely aware that this was the media image. Secular Jews went I think 90% against Trump. You can't just brush that aside by giving your own evaluation of Trump. There was liberalism and something not so liberal on the menu.

>>17830937
Jesus christ who said I wanted anyone killed? That's your sick mind projecting. You're beyond ridiculous.

>>17829291
You're right OP, didn't really like it. Seemed more like a speech than a poem, also wasn't very deep.
>We are our nation
>Our nation is amazing
>But it wasn't always

>>17830952
No, it's partially about genetics and partially about culture/identity. That's why your IQ nonsense doesn't hold up. Jews do promote liberalism, read the fucking book with countless examples instead of being ignorant.
There was a choice between neoliberalism and neoliberalism. It says nothing unless you're a burger.
>That means 80% for a wall and the reborn orange Hitler.
Yeah I'm out of here, you're a retard. I know you won't read the book but instead keep jerking off to your own IQ and chess superiority.

>>17830957
You already implied that a “race war” is “going to exist” and you’ve wasted your time trying to justify an anti-Semitic conspiracy, on a website known for breeding violence and hatred (Umpqua community college shooting, /pol/ threads live-streaming the Christchurch mosque shooting) so don’t fucking come at me with the “I didn’t have intentions” when you’re clearly on the track to doing exactly that.

>>17830946
I cited 50% intermarriage numbers. Let it be 30% and they're rapidly gone. Your only point here was that we shouldn't trust those numbers, which is of course silly. Jews are whining about it, it's a big topic for them. Everybody knows and can oberserve. This 'marry a nice Jewish boy' thing is just over. There are so many attractive men and women in the broader population that without massive cultural restrictions everything falls apart. Look at the Orthodox, they're not even allowed to shake hands with foreign women. These are cultural norms that have developed by necessity, drop them and you're gone.

>>17830986
I'm being baited aren't I

>>17830986
>point out people that are agitating racial tensions
>y do u want race war
based retard

>>17830979
I'm just putting forward rational and criticizable arguments and you're floundering.

>>17830991
Being jewish is not only about genetics, that's where your retarded theory crumbles. Most Ashkenazis are only a tiny percentage jewish anyway, they're mostly European.

>>17830996
No, you're putting forth autistic arguments that don't translate to the real world and refuse to read a simple book that could expand your view beyond muh IQ.

>>17830992
Case in point: tossing another hateful straw man at me because you don’t have an argument and just want to hurt others. “I’m anonymous and I don’t have to prove anything so fuck off [insert derogatory remark/slur]”
https://youtu.be/M2xOxmHTYMg

>>17831022
Retard

>>17830994
Then shouldn’t we talk about these issues in social groups to better understand each other and create a better environment? Or do you just want your hands on someone else’s throat?

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>>17830997
The genetics are the interesting thing about Jews. Where do you think their psychological hostility to out-groups comes from? They've been selected for almost two millenia, anyone open to the world left over that time. It's not even possible to cleanly divorce the cultural from the genetic expressions. Culture is weak anyway and secular Jews are certainly not purveyors of it. They're acting out genetic drama.
>>17831011
I wrote plenty of things unrelated to IQ. It's just that you are unable to demonstrate overrepresentation without it. That's not my fault.

>>17830496
But the damage will already be done.

>>17829291
I thought it wath rather nice and if you don't like it you can kithth my bottom.

>>17831061
Then how do you explain the fact that Ashkenazis are mostly European and not actually jewish?
And no, I've demonstrated that it's due to nepotism and in-group preference, you just refuse to read the work that establishes that with sources. You haven't demonstrated shit since society isn't built upon IQ.

>>17831042
I don't know what will happen in the future but I do know I can't do a thing about it, least of all by shitposting on 4chan, and it's looking rather bleak tbqh

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>>17830975
>Thith thread.
>mfw

Advice for you.
1. There'th nothing wrong with Jewth.
2. Jewth do not control the media.
3. Thtay on topic or bugger off.

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>>17831093
There are lots of things wrong with Jews and they do 'control the media' insofar as that is possible so these were bad points to make. Jews are not evil and do not want to destroy civilization would be a better one.

>>17831080
Ashkenazim have their own haplogroup you idiot
t. ashkenazi

>>17831145
Yeah one that's nearly indistinguishable from Sicilians or other indistinct Mediterraneans, fact is that you're more European than actually jewish. Nothing wrong with that, but the other guy's point about genetics is moot.

>>17831080
I should make clear that I am talking about Ashkenazi Jews in the first place and with IQ even particular segments here (this hasn't been well researched at all). The Ashkenazi are a European mix, that is what I'm talking about. Admixture is just impossible to prevent over this enormous amount of time. The point just is that among maybe all of the groups in the world Ashkenazi Jews have been most selected for in-group preference and out-group hostility.
IQ is an established variable, we know what it does in an economic context. We can calculate average incomes by IQ for example. I'm not interested in a source that does not perform that calculation since there is no other way to do it. You shouldn't be afraid of that if you believe in your ideas.

>>17831212
I feel bad for falling for this retarded bait all this time. You shouldn't be afraid to read a book that challenges your autistic IQ hypothesis if you believe in your ideas. MacDonald accepts that Ashkenazis have high IQ and it plays a part, he just doesn't autistically think that's all there is to it.

>>17831212
https://archive.org/details/CultureofC
What have you got to lose? In the worst case you can actually argue in good faith next time.

>>17831212
https://www.bitchute.com/video/4Wyvw524pWrV/ The audiobook version if you're too lazy to read

>>17831233
Neither do I. My explanations for Jewish behaviour are not related to IQ. Again, this just establishes the matter of overrepresentation. In fact I would expect overrepresentation based on the in-group bias. It will just not work very well since our economic system punishes that behaviour, meaning your grand conspiracy disappears.
>>17831243
That's not how you argue: "read this book". You brought the arguments, they were weak. I brought my arguments, you ignored them.

>>17829637
So you're saying blacks and other non-whites have a low IQ that no policy changes will ever fix?

>>17831293
You could establish eugenic policies, so no.

>>17831298
But you admit blacks have the lowest IQ of any race?

>>17831266
>It will just not work very well since our economic system punishes that behaviour, meaning your grand conspiracy disappears.
No it doesn't punish that behaviour, how could it? It's not like they will say "I hired mister Bergstein because he's jewish", it's almost never expressed directly but always indirectly, and since the arbiters of that system are also jewish, the behaviour won't be called out anyway. You dismiss it without having seriously looked into the subject which is intellectually dishonest.
>You brought the arguments, they were weak. I brought my arguments, you ignored them.
Are you for real? You keep ignoring my arguments by referring back to IQ, while I accept that your hypothesis explains it partially, just not entirely. You admit to not having read one of the most important works on jewish overrepresentations while also positing that you have read all the arguments. There are many arguments that sound silly because you've not examined the evidence, but once you have it makes sense. That's why you should read the book, not for the arguments, but for the evidence that supports the arguments.

>>17831309
I think the lowest measured are Aboriginal people from Australia who are closer related to Europeans although there are some lower but less researched numbers.
You guys suck at this nazi thing, at least read the literature properly.

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>>17831313
The fact that you refuse to look at a source because it doesn't conform to your autistic and arbitrary preconceived standards is also ridiculous.

>>17831321
No racial group has been as consistently creative as Europeans. The highest IQ "jews" are also basically Euromutts.

>>17831313
You need to think a little. You hire people for compentence because incompetence costs money. Nepotism more or less by definition means that you hire less qualified people, this directly translates into trouble with your competition. It's parasitical corruption on a company.

I've talked to plenty of antisemites on here who have shilled the book. I must have heard all the arguments by now. There haven't been good ones.

>>17831321
No, some isolated Central African tribes are lower, but Aborigines are indeed lower than the average SS African. They are not more closely related to Europeans though, that's nonsense. They're about as far removed as SS Africans but in a different way.

>>17831349
aborigines are more related to Europeans than to ssa is what he meant, which is true.

>>17831346
That's not how it works. You're again way too autistic about it. It's not about maximizing profit but maximizing influence. If you can hire or appoint someone who is marginally less effective but has very well established connections, that's a bigger win in the long run. The world isn't as mechanical as your chess games.
>I've talked to plenty of antisemites on here who have shilled the book. I must have heard all the arguments by now. There haven't been good ones.
That's retarded and disingenuous. I'm faily sure none of them have reproduced the primary sources MacDonald discusses for you that prove his thesis. Just read the book or shut up and admit you're arguing in bad faith when you make these claims.

>>17831344
Europe is not a single group. Stupid levels of cope.
>we wuz kangs

>>17831326
You have to convince me of it and you didn't manage to do that. I have 200 book reading stack.

>>17831344
That's already a strange way to argue 'consistently creative'. You know as well as I do that Asia showed great promise in terms of becoming the first industrialized civilization. You have to give random things like geography and history room here. It's not like the first great civilizations appeared in central Europe, right?

>>17831349
Well, I've read that they're closer to Europeans than Africans. I'm sure it doesn't mean anything. I've seen Bushmen numbers at 53 or so but you can't really count that. Same for some South American tribes.

>>17831354
No it's not, they are more closely related to SSA than to Europeans.

>>17831354
Aboriginals have been stuck on australia for.over 40,000 years. The fuck.

>>17831376
>You have to convince me of it and you didn't manage to do that. I have 200 book reading stack.
Fine, but then don't claim that you've read all the arguments about it which you admittedly haven't. And let's not pretend I would be able to convince you, you had already made up your mind before the argument started.

>>17831373
>>17831376
No racial group has provided as much to the entire of humanity as people from the European continent. There is no amount of cope that will ever change that.

>>17831369
If the connections translated into monetary gain it wouldn't be an illigetimate hiring. No nepotism necessary, that was the best guy.

Again, 'read the book or shut up' is not how you argue. You either produce the argument yourself or it is you who shuts up.

>>17831377
>>17831381
Eurasians split off from Africa, and then Abos and Euros split off from the Eurasian branch. All Eurasians are closer to each other than to Africans.

>>17831398
I never said it was illegitimate, that's your misinterpretation. When equal candidates present, a jew will pick a jew. It's that simple. But beyond that MacDonald does prove that jews will even readily pick less effective candidates just because they're jewish and therefore are more trustworthy in the long run. You could argue that is more effective, but it still is nepotism (which you claim would be punished while it isn't). You have to look at the primary sources though, there is no argument to be made because you arbitrarily don't believe the world works that way. It does.
>Again, 'read the book or shut up' is not how you argue. You either produce the argument yourself or it is you who shuts up.
No, you're the one who claims to have read all there is to read about it, but apparently you haven't. If my or the other's representations aren't good enough for you that's fine, but you can't claim to have taken MacDonald's thesis seriously. You have only entertained others' impressions of them. Very disingenuous.

>>17831397
I think we can maybe generously rank Rome with China and then we're just left with maybe 500 years of exceptional history (that being the path towards and realization of the industrial revolution more or less.). That's not good enough to establish a mystical European quality for this sort of achievement. You know as well as I do that Japan for example looks fantastic and in many civilizational aspects ranks above Europe. The scientific and cultural output of China will be insane in only a few decades.

>>17831421
Aborigines aren't Eurasians, they're an offshoot of SSA. Therefore they're marginally closer to Europeans than SSA are to Europeans, but closer to SSA than to Europeans themselves.

>>17831397
While northen Europeans were living in mud, the Greeks were doing mathematics and philosophy, which they had learned from the Egyptians, who had learned it from the Sumerians.
Stop claiming the achievements of groups dead for 2000 years when your ancestors were most likely white niggers seen as a subhuman species in that time.

>>17831421
>muh evolution
Dirty hylic.

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>>17831432
>>17831446
Every great book you read is from European authors. Just stop it.

>>17831451
Stay upset hylic.

>>17831446
This again is wrong in the other direction. European civilization goes back thousands of years even before the pyramids. It just didn't consolidate into a 'great' one. They built walled cities and weird shit like picrel (although that one is newer).

>>17831446
>completely unaware of indo-aryans
go read a book, dilettante

>>17831460
Not an argument. Northen Europeans are subhuman who had to be taught culture by greater races.

>>17829291
cess for your teddies.
>ib4banana

>>17831471
Not white like your pasty skinned barbarian ass.

>>17831473
Someone had to be taught by someone at some point but then they surpassed them. Despite hating the Bongs, they have contributed a tremendous amount.

>>17831438
Idk where you heard this but it is not true

https://www.nature.com/articles/nature18299
>The population history of Aboriginal Australians remains largely uncharacterized. Here we generate high-coverage genomes for 83 Aboriginal Australians (speakers of Pama–Nyungan languages) and 25 Papuans from the New Guinea Highlands. We find that Papuan and Aboriginal Australian ancestors diversified 25–40 thousand years ago (kya), suggesting pre-Holocene population structure in the ancient continent of Sahul (Australia, New Guinea and Tasmania). However, all of the studied Aboriginal Australians descend from a single founding population that differentiated ~10–32 kya. We infer a population expansion in northeast Australia during the Holocene epoch (past 10,000 years) associated with limited gene flow from this region to the rest of Australia, consistent with the spread of the Pama–Nyungan languages. We estimate that Aboriginal Australians and Papuans diverged from Eurasians 51–72 kya, following a single out-of-Africa dispersal, and subsequently admixed with archaic populations. Finally, we report evidence of selection in Aboriginal Australians potentially associated with living in the desert.

They diverged from the Eurasians after the out of africa migration. I have never heard any geneticist say what you're saying

>>17831460
The books you're talking about are from the last 500 years. Same point as before. There is ancient Chinese literature and I do like Japanese authors and art in general.

>>17829564
> If the same had happened to white
Only SJW retard are upset about white being overrepresented at the top
>or Chinese people
almost nobody complains about Chinese people being overrepresented at the top.

>>17831438
https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/unprecedented-study-of-aboriginal-australians-points-to-one-shared-out-of-africa-migration-for

here is another link stating it explictly

>>17831485
Northerners have only destroyed what they learned with gross vulgar scientific materialism.
Hylic get out.

>>17831492
Some of the best authors of all time are from the last 100 years. Europeans have consistently produced the best authors since 2000 years onwards.

>>17831486
Sure, semantically you're correct but like I said
>they're marginally closer to Europeans than SSA are to Europeans, but closer to SSA than to Europeans themselves.

>>17831493
Exactly my point, retard.

>>17831504
Again, out of all the OOA migration peoples they are by far the closest to Africans (not counting later admixture with Middle Eastern peoples). Arborigines are more closely related to SSA than to Europeans.

>>17831520
That is a literal blatant contradiction. Seriously look at what you just wrote. Think of how evolutionary trees work, they have to be closer to Euros than they are to SSA, and Euros and Abos have exactly the same distance from SSA because they come from the same founding population(not counting admixture from archaic populations)

>>17831540
I know how evolutionary trees work. Purely by genetic distance they are more closely related to SSA than to Europeans. The fact that both diverged from SSA doesn't matter since Aborigines split off much much earlier and therefore were much closer to SSA back then than to the mutations that created Europeans.

>>17831537
all the OOA population have the same genetic distance from Africans by definition, apart from considerations of how much Neanderthal or other genes they have absorbed

>>17831515
I feel like you don't understand the history here. Only Europe became truly rich. We had enormous surplus resources to produce art. This just wasn't the case anywhere else and when that wasn't the case in Europe either we produced nothing. To read into that a purely racial analysis is just silly. The ancient authors didn't even come 'from Europe', they were mostly just a handful of people from Athens and then after another bunch from Rome a thousand years of nothing. This doesn't allow for racial reductionism. Clearly economic and political developments are relevant.

>>17831398
>>17831431
I accept your concession. Now please read the book and we'll have another talk after.

>>17831554
That's not what the studies are showing

>“Our results suggest that, rather than having left in a separate wave, most of the genomes of Papuans and Aboriginal Australians can be traced back to a single ‘Out of Africa’ event which led to modern worldwide populations. There may have been other migrations, but the evidence so far points to one exit event.”
>The Papuan and Australian ancestors did, however, diverge early from the rest, around 58,000 years ago. By comparison, European and Asian ancestral groups only become distinct in the genetic record around 42,000 years ago.

This split took place after the OOA event, so they are all more closely related to each other than to Africans

>>17831561
Bruh, every worthwhile author and philosoper from the last 2000 years (the most important part of human history so far) is a European person. There are a few non-Europeans, but there is nobody that comes to the level of people like Heidegger, Geothe, the Greeks, etc., etc.

>>17831569
I missed your comment but don't really have anything to say about it.

>>17831578
I know because it disproves your assumption that the world works mechanically.

>>17829291
>forced leftist burger propaganda
>Poetry

>>17831575
I explained why. Look, why did all the great painters suddenly come from the Netherlands? Was it a coincidence that this country was spectacularly rich at the same time? Now imagine if that sort of imbalance happens even in the European context with that tiny piece of shit country when we bring this in relation with the larger world. Everyone else lived more or less subsistence. They produced as much as we did when that was true for us. What's the great art work of the Germanic tribes? Where is all that European genius expressing itself?

>>17831575
Friendly reminder that the continent of Europe is made up of different races that would war with each other to the degree of near genocide.
You in the 21st century trying to claim the achievements of bronze age Greeks is just disgusting.
>we wuz kings
Literally you. Pathetic.

>>17831578
>>17831593
>>17831578
>>17831593
>>17831578
>>17831593
And it proves you refuse to argue in good faith, claiming to have read all the arguments about a topic and feigning superiority while only having read second hand impressions of those arguments and clinging to your preconceived conclusions. Here you go, do something about it: https://archive.org/details/CultureofC

>>17831618
*subraces

>>17831593
I don't even know what that means in this context. I don't consider nepotism to be nepotism if it is economically valid. I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. The entire point of my initial statement was that grand conspiracies of this sort can't be sustained for economic reasons, that's all. You just make the banal point that Jews might like to hire Jews which I already affirmed in a previous post.

>>17831622
Just like good old Adolf described in his autobiography.

>>17831572
Can you not read? The aboriginals broke off earlier therefore they are less related than those who broke off later.
Nevermind evolution is retarded and WRONG. Enjoy burning in hell.

>>17829291
I made a "parody" of this (though it was based in reflection of one my earlier works) mocking secular morality and inverting the (sparse) symbolism. I can say with certainty that I am certainly a poet if retards like this get the spotlight, my prose is times beautiful.

>>17831634
But the point is that it's not necessarily economically valid, it's culturally valid nepotism. he economical part is a nice bonus but not necessary. It's not a conspiracy but a survival strategy.

>>17831632
Muh evolution says everyone is African anyway so why do you care so much, Mr scientist bugman?

>>17831655
I don't believe in OOA, I'm not the person you were arguing with. Fact is that all Europeans are (were) more closely related to one another than to any other race.

>>17831639
His pilpul game is strong

>>17831618
>Friendly reminder that the continent of Europe is made up of different races that would war with each other to the degree of near genocide.
SURE, but they are substantially closer and connected than with anyone else because of things like religion. I have a lot more in common with a Spaniard, despite being from Finland, than I do with someone outside of Europe.

>>17830937
>Why do you want to see other people killed for their religion or ethnicity so bad?

>dude why do you want to eliminate your oppressors who restrict your liberty and hate you?

God what a shit thread lmfao

>>17831707
Yeah this is what happens when idpol scientific materialist niggers try to discuss the arts.

>>17831634
>>17831649
You reason as if all jews do is for profit. It's not, it's for cultural influence. Though profit is a nice bonus and they're obviously good at maximizing profit.

>>17831649
I still don't know what you're trying to tell me. What I tried to communicate is that the economically illegitimate part is limited in size by competitive pressure. These constitute inefficiencies that everyone involved can capitalize on. That's why you will likely not find anything suspicious in the IQ income average. Again, we never established that any overrepresentation even exists. It's purely theoretical as long as you are unable to demonstrate that a say 100 IQ Jew earns more than a 100 IQ gentile.

>>17831646
>The aboriginals broke off earlier therefore they are less related than those who broke off later.
They broke off at the same time from the Africans so they are related by the same amount, idk how many times I can explain this to you. The aboriginals and papuans split from Eurasians before Eurasians split into Asians and Euros, is what it said.

>>17831743
So euros are descendents of aboriginals? lmfao how disgusting

>>17831732
The overrepresentation is a fact. IQ is not the sole deciding factor, influence is. IQ plays a part in that but not solely. It's not about the 100IQ indvidual but about the elite jew who prefers in-group preference over profit, though those often go hand in hand - but not always which is my point.

>>17831761
No, euros and abos are descendants of the same OOA population. Do they not teach how phylogeny works in highschool anymore. It's literally just a fucking tree, it's not rocket science

>>17831732
>>17831634
Are you jewish anon?

>>17831768
No, listen to me. You need to establish that they do not perform in relation to their IQ. That's how we measure these things. There's no other way. You're just a retarded leftist if you don't do that. Cognitive ability is relevant and it differs. You want to compare groups you have to control for IQ.

>>17831785
no.

>>17831761
>So euros are descendents of aboriginals? lmfao how disgusting
I will legit give you that, even though it's bullshit, because it's irrelevant. Euro's have contributed more than any other race to the intellectual output of humanity and it isn't even close. It doesn't matter where or who we came from 100k years ago.

>>17829637
>Country has 1000 people.
>Big nose people are a minority, they represent just 1% of the population, so 10 people. They are very smart though, about 50% of the big nose people are geniuses, that means they have 5 geniuses.
>This same country also has some yellow people, who are also very smart, though not as much. They are about 10% of the total population and 15% of them are geniuses, so they have 15 geniuses in total.
>Then we have the cattle people, these are the most populous in the nation, they represent 60% of the people. We call them cattle people because they're dumb, only 5% of them are geniuses. That still leads to 30 geniuses among the cows.

Uh, weird. Even though the big nose people are significantly smarter than everyone else, you'd still expect them to not dominate this nation, considering their low population. Even though the cattle people are really stupid, they still have a lot more high IQ people than anyone else, so you'd expect the nation's top positions to still be controlled mostly by these people.

>>17831824
No, that's how you measure those things. That's arbitrary. You dismiss the impact of culture for no good reason except that you've somehow concluded IQ can explain everything. If that were true, East Asians would be in a similar position to jews in America. Except they're not. That's because they don't practice the same in-group preference that jews do, which you fail to account for.

>>17831839
That's not how it works. Reality is that at a certain IQ mark there are more Jews than non-Jews. It's complicated and I don't remember the exact numbers but just assume that when we're entering 160 territory that the non-big nose people have become the minority. I again refer to the chess example as it is as objective as can be. You would never expect this tiny minority of players to come out on top, but they do. Same thing happens almost everywhere. They're terrible at art if that cheers you up.

>>17831885
But the people in those positions of influence are not 160+ IQ, they're "normal" 120-140 IQ people, in which there's more than plenty of non-jews avilable but who are not in those positions because they're not jewish. Most extremely high IQ people are not socially adept enough to thrive in these high positions. This is where your argument falls apart.

>>17831885
The Episcopalians have a similar population size and average IQ as Ashk so this doesn't really work out how you think it does

>>17831852
See that's wrong, I don't conclude IQ explains everything. I just expect you to show me that it does not, meaning you should be able to demonstrate an elevated income in relation to the measured IQ/Income averages. If that doesn't exist it is very good indication that either nothing suspicisous is going on or that these schemes are not succesful.

>>17831905
Then why don't East Asians show the same patterns as jews? Right, because of culture. Because of the difference of in-group preference.

>>17831900
This high IQ social ineptness stuff is a myth (they are better at it) and the people in positions of power do have a high IQ. It's a massive competitive advantage. Overall you will get a clear IQ hierarchy, it's just how our society is organized, at least since the beginning of the 20th century. Here I would refer to The Bell Curve. Murray looks at how the wasp elites were driven out of the Ivy League by high IQ people. It used to be the case that Harvard had the average 100 IQ. Those were the times of nepotism proper.

>>17831916
What patterns do you mean? They are taking over the universities.

>>17831885
>at a certain IQ mark there are more Jews than non-Jews
Mate, you don't seem to understand how many more non-jews there are. This is literally statistically impossible, there are always more non-jews at any category in the spectre. Feel free to prove me wrong by providing a source.

>>17831942
No, you're wrong. Most of the people in positions of influence (banking, media, law, etc) have high IQ (120-140) but not extremely high (160+). Those people can be successful but are usually very specialized. The majority of influential jews isn't like that. I also accept there are some high IQ socially adept people but they're the exception to the rule.
My point is that in the bracket of IQ that produces most of the elite, jews are overrepresented. Because of in-group preference.

>>17831947
There are already far more east asians than jews in America and have been for quite some time, yet do not nearly have the same institutional power jews have. That's because jews practice in-group preference and east asians don't. The fact that they do well in universities does not mean they go on to occupy positions of influence (although some do, but not nearly enough to account for your hypothesis to be workable).

>>17831959
It just how it works, it's that steep up there. You know that the IQ research isn't being done properly because of taboos. But we can infer, I gave you the chess example. Here you have an objective manifestation of intellect. You will find that of the greatest 50 or so players in history half are Jewish. Obviously that's astounding and it is replicated throughout society. Half of the nobels go to Jews but you have learned that this is just nefarious Jewish scheming at work here, but why would you think that knowing the same is true in chess? Who are the greatest violinists or pianists? Certainly people like Kissin or Haifetz have to be under consideration. This is objective in the sense of how insane their technical abilities are. If there was anything like a normal IQ distributiion there would hardly be a single Jew found in any of these things. The brutal IQ differential is found wherever you could expect to perceive it. (with the one exception of creative arts)

>>17829291
Take it easy. It’s a decent enough normie poem about the US. What are your favorite poems about your country? If you’re not that interested in that sort of subject, who cares what your opinion is.

>>17832005
Please, please read Culture of Critique. He answers all your wrongful assumptions here. You cannot equate chess to real life since it is a cultural predisposition. Also, the "greatest" musicians cannot be measured like IQ can. You infer, but you cannot know for certain. Therefore you have to eliminate the other possibilities, and cultural influences and in-group preferences are part of those. If you don't tackle those in good faith, your entire point is moot.

>>17831964
This is just speculation on your part. A look at IQ/Income stats tell you that on average income rises with IQ. There is no established principle where that just stops at some point.

>>17831974
google tells me there are 3.8 million Chinese in the US and 7-10 million Jews. This also needs to be deconstructed in all sorts of ways. East Asians for example do not have the Jewish IQ. They are somewhere between I think 3-5 points above Europeans. Jews could have one that is 7-15 points above.

>>17832005
>Half of the nobels go to Jews but you have learned that this is just nefarious Jewish scheming at work here, but why would you think that knowing the same is true in chess?
Also this is very disingenuous. The point isn't that it's a nefarious scheme but a subconscious survival strategy of in-group preference (with some nefarious actors). The reason you cannot equate chess with nobel prizes is because chess is measurable in its outcomes (you win or lose), while nobel prizes are awarded by a jury (guess which ethnicity most of those are) on arbitrary cultural reasons that are not measurable in absolutes.

>>17832047
>This is just speculation on your part. A look at IQ/Income stats tell you that on average income rises with IQ. There is no established principle where that just stops at some point.
On average yes, but it does drop off after about 150 IQ, which proves my point.

>>17832047
You realize there are many more east asians than just chinese right? Also we were talking about Ashkenazi, and there are very many non-ashkenazi jews also accounted for in that figure, who also do not have the high IQ of ashkenazis. Very disingenuous once again.
Even if you were right though, East Asians are still vastly underrepresented in positions of influence relative to their IQ compared to jews. That's because of the in-group preference practiced by those jews, and the cultures.

>>17832031
You just cannot disregard the relevance of intelligence to chess and the prevalence of Jews here makes it very clear that something extraordinary is going on. You btw can know for certain, these shitheads would just have to hand out IQ tests.

>>17832073
That's not the point I was making, it was that chess does not translate to real life. And no we could know, but we don't. You yourself admit this and say you infer, and since you at this moment cannot know for certain, you have to at least take the cultural aspect into account which you systematically refuse to do because you've convinced yourself everything can be mechanically explained away by your (arbitrary) assumptions about IQ.

>>17832056
It doesn't 'prove your point'. This is complicated stuff. See, the higher your IQ goes the more you can violate the distribution. You could just become a janitor because you're lazy or whatever but a hard working 70 IQ guy can't become an investment banker. It's what that idiot Taleb didn't understand.

>>17832068
I'm not disingenuous I'm just illustrating the basic principles in these sorts of calculations. You for example say 'East Asians' as if that were one thing. Many people there are recent arrivals, they don't speak the language and they have all sorts of other disadvantages associated with that status. These things are very complex but we already know that they're mogging Jews at academic competitions and they're storming the universities. These are developments that are in progress. Asians are actually discriminated against by universities and that you could say by Jews. So yeah, these issues do exist.

>>17832085
Chess is just a method to show you that the same distribution in business, science and whatnot occurs there as well, without social influence. We know from IQ tests why that is the case. It's not like we speculate from chess to IQ.

>>17832133
>IQ
Sure, but that doesn't change that most people in positions of influence don't have an extremely high IQ but instead a "normal" high IQ, which was the point I meant

>>17832133
>So yeah, these issues do exist.
Fair enough. But you have to take into account the different cultures of achievement and differences of in-group preference between east asians and jews. Unless they were CCP infiltrators, we have no reason to assume Chinese or any East Asians would practice in-group preference to the same extent as jews do. Which is because it's a cultural trait.
>>17832147
But that doesn't go for nobel prizes which are influenced by the judgment of the people awarding the prizes, for which we have no reason to assume they are impartial.

>>17832149
You just say that. It's not like you've given out tests. IQ researchers have done tests and found a strong correlation between income and IQ. The higher the IQ the higher the income. From everything I've seen anecdotally the people at the top in business are brilliant individuals. Maybe the smartest of all are in science but still. In competition the 160 guy will on average win over the 140 guy. We have no reason to assume otherwise.

>>17829674
That math makes no sense lmao

>>17830480
it’s like socialist realism, but retarded!

>>17829291
Americans dont call it poetry. Jewish publishing houses do so they can sell more garbage to blacks who are a slave race that live to cons0000m to whoever happens to be their current masters. The non-blacks that read this garbage are just the usual "eternal copers" who live their life in full on denial or schizophrenic fanaticism for suicide cult.

>>17832184
You just say that too lmao
Correlation yes, but that couls also be explained by jewish cultural in-group preference, which you have still never seriously entertained because you (likely wrongly) it can all be explained by IQ. Until you do that, you've proven nothing.
I never said they weren't brilliant, but positing that the higher IQ someone has the more brilliant or successful they are is not necessarily true by any means. Yes, the smartest are usually very specialized individuals, so science would make more sense than business.
And yes we do have reason to assume that since on average, the 160IQ guy will be less socially adept than the 140 IQ guy. On average.

>>17832175
I haven't chosen the Nobel example because of that notion but I disagree with that assessment -because- Jews are so prominent. It's the expected outcome of the IQ hierarchy. If that weren't the case it would be concerning. In the future they're going to get crushed by the Chinese though, Jews aren't really -that- mathematically talented.

>>17832231
You disagree because you still haven't looked at MacDonald's glaring examples of jews promoting other jews solely because they're jewish. Until you do that, you've proven nothing.
I wouldn't be so sure about the Chinese though, prominent jews are already working with the CCP behind the scenes to secure their own positions in the future. But you might be right if the west keeps existing in the way it does, I can't predict the future but I don't suspect it will.

>>17832219
See it's not necessarily true for the individual but it is true on average. We're talking about millions of people. Law of large numbers and all that.
We don't have to assume social ineptness since the only information here we do have is that IQ is positively correlated with social competence. It's a good thing to be smart here.

>>17832257
Anecdotes are nothing, we need statistics. Ok, I gottta go now, have a good one.

>>17832269
It's a good thing to be smart up to a certain degree, which seems to be around 150IQ. After that it's no guarantee anymore.
And no you're wrong, you yourself have asserted we lack that data, you're building your case on very shaky ground. Until you seriously entertain the cultural factor, you've proven nothing, you've just made assumptions based on incomplete data.

>>17832277
No, you assume you need statistics. MacDonald puts forth examples from many different disciplines but the pattern is always the same. Until you've seriously entertained it, you have proven nothing.
You too, but I do advise you to read CoC. You suffer from tunnel vision badly.

>>17829518
has none. Evidence for them hating whites on the other hand....

>>17832008
As much as I dislike drunktard Yesenin, he made some classic about rural Russia

>>17831293
A nigerian once told me, 'if you want to hide something from a nigerian then put it in a book!'

She was completely serious and thought it hilarious.

>>17830480
>Do you even care about the struggle of BIPOC or about emancipation history as a whole?
Fuck no.

>>17833588
Kek-approved.

>>17831684
>I have a lot more in common with a Spaniard, despite being from Finland

>>17829564
Jews have higher IQ than whites

>>17831575
Does the Islamic golden age ring a bell? Idiot.

>>17831618
>"europe has only been noteworthy
for 5 centuries"
>no, more like 2000+ years
>"lolol ur wewuzzing"

>>17831785
Does it matter?

>>17829381
canada and the US might as well be the same country

>>17829578
the issue is that jewish demographic constitutes probably less than 2% of the US total
"whites" are naturally going to be highly present in virtually everything, since they are 70% of the country. If that weren't the case, the whole country would shut down

>>17829291
This girl's poetry isn't very good. It's largely just an overpowering barrage of kumbayactivist rhetoric. There are many staple "American" techniques you'd see in like Frost & Whitman but fitful & randomly-executed, sabotaging the meaning. Example of this:

>...
>we do good, we are good,
>as we should
>in the place where a millennium stood
>for what we understood
>was
>right.

In the middle of a poem? The syncopation from long to short lines clearly creates a decaying, hopeless effect, but she pairs it with optimistic language, undermining it. Conflates gravitas and somberness - completely unjustified imo.

>Justice
>Just is
Some real struggle bars in there.

>>17829518
I'm Native American. It's true that we hate them but then again we hate other groups as well. Like the fags.

>>17835540
instead of making it powerful, she made it cringe.

>>17832213
ding ding winner winner chicken dinner

>>17829603
it's so funny whenever anyone brings up this book cause they never quote anything from it. They just cite it as some appeal to authority so that they can be racist.

>>17829313
The thread did not need to continue further after this post.

>>17829694
You realise the undermining of host nations, if it happens, might be to ensure continual movement, right? like that of nature.

Without it people might not move. If 1 nation remains on top over and over again then why would anybody leave?

>>17830687
Tradition is the global conspiracy you fuckwit.

Millions of people working towards essentially the same 'trad' goals. Your idea of conspiracy is that of a simplistic childs.

>>17829564
People are up in arms about Chinese doing so well in exams and being over represented in certain areas.

Then out spake brave Horatius,
The Captain of the Gate:
“To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds,
For the ashes of his fathers,
And the temples of his gods”

She will never write something inspiring like the above passage. She’s just a propaganda tool, totally contrived. I weep for my home.

>>17836047
not even close to the best stanza of the poem. Not even particularly good. This one, on the other hand, gave me chills the first time I read it.
No sound of joy or sorrow
Was heard from either bank;
But friends and foes in dumb surprise,
With parted lips and straining eyes,
Stood gazing where he sank:
And when above the surges
They saw his crest appear,
All Rome sent forth a rapturous cry,
And even the ranks of Tuscany
Could scarce forbear to cheer.

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>instead of making it powerful, she made it cringe.
literally black Americans in a nutshell