/lit/ - Literature

i dreamed that Macron took over Russia after killing Putin and his puppets in an air strike from his rafales.

meh
THis is better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rP3D0LH_3UU&t=4s

>>17810913
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vC8gxuQQLxc

>>17810900
Its a good primer text book for a kind of left labourite take on the history of the United States.

>>17810928
I have Christian libertarian views, but I have no problem reading authors with radically opposing views (unless it's sophistry like gender studies). Moreover, I am familiar with Soviet aesthetics (through cinema and fiction), romanticizing the struggle of workers for their rights, and this seems to me to be a narrative that has determined a lot in the modern world, so this needs to be studied.

>>17810963
>>17810966
Stop spamming off-topic pictures and tell me something about the book.

Jeiwsh communist anti-white dogshit

>>17810900
>(((Zinn)))
Yeah ruskibro I'm sure it's great

>>17810952
So they key points of difference from Soviet fantasism are:
1) Collective action by workers themselves.
2) Limited capacity for collective action
3) Common law hankering after parliamentarianism.

Zinn isn't as important as the workerist tradition in general is, but many western traditions tend workerist rather than leninist when they exit left from parliamentary politics. Italy for example.

>>17810982
>workerism
more like wokerism

>>17810983
Not really. Its slow. Ugly. Correct. And painful.

>>17810977
I found another leftist book. Now I don't know where to start.

>>17810987
Lenin's no historian. His work on peasant agriculture in the early 1900s is more anthropology.

>>17810987
At least Lenin was only 25% Jewish so that's better than 100% Jewish, but in either case you're getting Jewish propaganda + schizophrenia.

>>17810900
First half is really good. Stopped reading in the second half.

>>17810998
Almost trips

>>17810987
>Lenin
Зaпaднaя eвpeйcкaя пpoпaгaндa

>>17810900
It’s pretty bad. If you want a leftist history of the US: readsettlers.org
Otherwise read another book

>>17810970
Don't reply to NPCs.

>>17811281
No, that's кaлмыцкaя propaganda

>>17810909
Based

People’s history is awesome if you know the traditional American historical narrative, as the book doesn’t actually provide a structured history but instead offers counter examples and specifics of broad and sweeping segments of a transitional US history class/book.

>>17810900
it will open your eyes to the evil that is the great satan

>>17811686
>but instead offers counter examples and specifics of broad and sweeping segments of a transitional US history class/book.
doesnt that make it inherently a a anti-thesis position though? if it goes out of its way to critique a specific narritive? rather than trying to piece together multiple narrives and understandings?

also, ive always had a distast for things named “a people’s x”. having the gaul to say you are speaking for a people rather than simply saying this is your understanding of a topic as through lense x y and z

>>17811561
эээ блэт тyoх дигин дэээ

America bad, mmkay?

>>17811712
It is. It does. It does that too. He does both. Give it a read. He has both critiques but also encapsulated narratives about people dying in droves. I enjoyed it but it’s taking a long while to finish because it’s so depressing.

No, it fucking sucks. Boils all of American history down to labor and race conflicts. White men are the villains of history, etc.

>>17811765
>Stripey and star covered flag good! Bald eagles! Fuck ya!! MONSTER TRUCK RALLIES! WOOOOO (don’t vaccinate)

>>17811866
What's wrong with that when most history books completely ignore those things?

>>17810900
No.

>>17811883
Are you the real butters?

>>17811883
Yikers.

>>17811887
>most history books ignore race conflicts

Really, bruv?

>>17811775
maybe i will.

>>17811915
If you don't get that this book paints racial issues in a different light than the mainstream narrative of history texts published over the past 100 years then you are a fucking idiot. You wouldn't have any SJW to make fun of if this book didn't radically shift the narrative of U.S. history.

>>17811950
>You wouldn't have any SJW to make fun of if this book didn't radically shift the narrative of U.S. history.
based retard

This will be more accurate and much less slanted in its views

>>17810900
I have a very high opinion of Russians, namely because my country (Spain) is on the opposite side of the continent and we’ve never had to interact with them.

>>17812316
You mean the USSR supporting the liberal overthrow of the anarchist nation of spain wasn't interaction?

>>17810900
>a people's
The question you have to ask, is which people's. Because it's probably not the American people's

>>17812047
>entitlement
thanks for using the retarded boomer buzzword so I know to completely discard your opinion

It’s worth reading to understand the leftist view of American history and its relation to our current society and identity. The issues I have with it have more to with its underlying moral position, but reading things like this is necessary for me to articulate my positions.

>>17810900
It does not have a good reputation among historians but it is culturally relevant since all the leftist teachers make students read it. Picrel would be an antidote to it.

>>17811712
>doesnt that make it inherently a a anti-thesis position though?
Yes and it has been misconstrued as primer material by overeager pseudo communists in America.

>>17810900
>Is this book a good one?
Everything it said about black people concerning both world wars is a bold-faced lie.

>>17813473
>bold-faced
Did you meant bald-faced?

>>17813505
>Did you meant bald-faced?
No.
https://www.rd.com/article/bald-faced-lie-or-bold-faced-lie/

>>17813473
What does it say?

>>17810900
No, it's lib revisionism.

>>17812544
Good on you mate.

Now read EP Thompson on Time and Piecework, and compare actual marxist history to the american drivel. Or read Dubofsky's We Shall Be All.

>>17810900
For anyone that doesn't have this book - just read the first half of the first chapter, about the interactions between Columbus and the natives of the Americas. He presents a side of history that I was never once exposed to in my (American) school education.

It only takes a few minutes to read, and if it doesn't impress upon you the nearly boundless potentials of human cruelty and the necessity of history as a means of reminding future generations what they must never revert to, I don't know what else would.

https://libcom.org/files/A%20People's%20History%20of%20the%20Unite%20-%20Howard%20Zinn.pdf

Is it the best written history of all time? Will it give you all the essentials? No. But it will give you a different perspective to hold alongside the others you already have. The first-hand accounts in this book are almost ridiculous at points, in that it is so difficult to believe another human being could have held such thoughts and then proudly put them down to paper.

>>17810900
>Zinn
>A People's
MMMMMM DROOOOOOOPED

>>17810987
I am an American, what you need to understand is that Zinn is doing what you would call revisionist history. this type of history is not taught in schools, it mainly focus on event that are not traditionally talked about.

>>17811883
Yes.

>>17812342
Kek

>>17810900
Zinn is violence porn propaganda for self hating Americans. Definitely avoid

>>17815280
this

>>17810909
He need to remove american dick from from his bouche firstly

>>17811712
>to say you are speaking for a people
it's just a stock phrase but the book is titled 'A' rather than the usual 'THE' like 'The People's Republic of ___', 'The People's Army', etc. so it's not suggesting it's definitive.