/lit/ - Literature

bad bait, sage

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>>17804842
Well, do you have an argument against it?

>>17804849
>PPDA was a coomer
Fuck man, he's like our Kronkite. I know it was another time but damn.

>>17804836
How would you know, you can't even read it in French.

Nah, their philosophy is even more overrated. The Germans are much superior. The French, on the other hand, pretty much that they sprinkle 20% of their works with unintelligible piffle. This is how they write:
>The ontologicity of the discursivity of the self-center reveals itself in the unmediated performance of discourse through which all sublimation becomes non-actual, that is, not ascendental. The überobjekt of each intelligizing endeavour is the spirit of all forms, and thus makes the center not the center.

>>17804875
>>17804849
I cannot put into words how much I hate television and the people working for it.

>>17804836
it's another >le he read some sartruh and camoes, episode

>>17804849
qui ou quoi est ppda ?

>>17804930
Nope I've read:
>Flaubert
>Balzac
>Moliere
>Song of Roland
>Troubadours
>Voltaire
>Hugo (Notre Dame)

And except for the troubadour poetry everything has been utterly boring and forgettable.

>>17804951
Have you read Flaubert in French? He is among the all time most talented stylists

>>17804836
It's because they're assholes. They know they're assholes and they're proud of it. Listen to the language. If an asshole could speak it would speak French.

>>17804989
No but saying that you should only read it in the original is a cope. I can enjoy Italian, Russian, German, Spanish, Greek, even Mesopotamian works in translation but not French lit. Maybe it's just not that great.

>>17804951
read these

>>17804836
Filtered.

>>17804938
Patrick Poivre d'Arvor, a famous anchor.

>>17805003
Stendhal and Proust translate well into English imo, as in there is still a lot of value in the translations because of the content, the actual language does not translate well.

>>17805032
Some of these writers are not forgotten at all. Villon, Chateaubriand, d'Aurevilly, Bernanos, and a couple others are all widely read in France.

>>17805032
None of them can be described as forgotten save Bonald maybe.

>>17805068
I'm thinking an American made that. Imagine thinking Villon is forgotten. lmao

>>17805091
Well then that may be coherent in the sense they're forgotten or plainly unknown in english-speaking countries.

>>17805032
I'm a filthy cochon anglais and even I've heard of those writers lmao

>>17805103
Yeah, that's the only way I could rationalize such a stupid chart lmfao however, knowing how few people read, and knowing how few English speakers read serious French literature, near the entirety of the French canon could be considered "forgotten" among modern English-speaking populations. You're lucky these days to find people who know who Camus is and he's pretty insignificant to the canon

>>17805148
Every time I post this chart it is in threads that deserve it, that prove that these authors are not well known, but some faggots always have to say "but I know several of them, look how smart I am!". Dumb faggots, you saw that OP doesn't know any of them.

>>17805427
>every time I post this chart I get insulted for shilling a shitty chart
>it's OP's fault
kek
you even tried to start a thread with it a few hours ago if I'm not mistaken

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>>17805427
>OP is retarded
>therefore everyone must be retarded
The retard, anon, is you. Your chart is trash. Just change the title to something that actually reflects those authors and isn't simply the projection of your own ignorance of French literature.

I see the French language is still doing its filtering job. Take any country, England, Russia, Japan, the United States, Iran, and ask yourself which, between patricians and plebeians of said countries, have a better opinion of France and French.

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>>17804875
Basé et cunnypillulé.

>>17806090
>Take any country, England, Russia, Japan, the United States, Iran, and ask yourself which, between patricians and plebeians of said countries, have a better opinion of France and French.
Plebians. Liking French shit is peak midwit/pseud.

>>17806113
Ha yes, totally didn't see that coming, the midwit defense. Those pseuds can indeed try to imitate aristocratic forms, nothing wrong with that I guess.

>>17806113
Bous.

>>17806090
This.

>>17804867
>this is bad!
>now please give your best arguments against the point I just made

You clown

>>17804875

Absolutely based.

>>17804875
where's this from? asking for un ami

French is the language of Poetry
German is the language of Philosophy
Russian is the language of Literature

What does that make English?

>>17806396
>Russian is the language of Literature
Maybe, if you're generous, the language of the novel, but not literature.

>>17806396
French is the language of diplomacy, English is the language of poetry.
>>17806438
Novels are an anglo brainchild.

>>17806458
>This is what A*glos actually believe

>>17806458
>Novels are an anglo brainchild.
You've got to be kidding me. Whether you take novel in its pure form taking shape in the 12th century or even restrict it to the character centered psychological novel that has dominated recent centuries, it is entirely false. I am not saying there aren't great English language novels, but the form had a late blooming in England.

>>17806521
Don't agree with him but romances aren't novels by the strictest definition, and psychological novels are a late development. Cervantes is a good benchmark for the modern novel as distinct from prose romances and histories.

English is the language of economy
French is the language of literature

Fin du thread

English is the language of winners
French of sore losers

>>17806904
>French is the language of crap literature

>>17806948
As of 2006, French literary people have been awarded more Nobel Prizes in Literature than novelists, poets and essayists of any other country

>>17806998
Anon, they gave that to fucking Bob Dylan and Bertrand Russell. It's worthless. Of all the people who won that prize, how many are still widely read and enjoyed?

>>17806396
umm sweaty italian is the language of poetry, got it?

>>17806182
this

>>17805032
terrible chart. please stop posting it

1. France
2. England
3. Russia
4. America

Why can't Frenchies and Anglos just get along? With our powers united we'd be unstoppable.

>>17808144
Anglo thinking is simply not complex enough.

1. France
2. Italy
3. German
4– many other places
n. England
m. Russia
o. America

>>17808183
Cope https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQKRAJTgEuo

>>17808265
Did Boris study Hegel and Machiavelli?

>>17808281
No, but he studied at Eton and Oxford (classics), is fluent in Latin, French, Italian and Ancient Greek and is a descendent of King George II

>>17808265
Bojo is unironically the most cultured leader around here.

English literature is lucky because the anglosphere has so many speakers... It's not a fair competition.

When you compare it with the literary traditions of France and Italy you realize how vastly superior they are. It's like comparing Goliath (the Anglo boogeyman) with David.

>>17805032
lautreamont is one of the most well-known and influential French poets, next to maybe Baudelaire, Rimbaud, and Moliere.

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>>17808348
They're all fagmasons, bought and paid for.

>>17808529
t. knows nothing about freemasonry

>>17808576
t. fagmason crying into his apron

>>17808529
>bought and paid for
By whom?

>>17808529
Freemasons are fucking harmless mate.
The City of London Corporation on the other ha

https://www.academie-sciences.fr/fr/Colloques-conferences-et-debats/evolution-vivant-et-biodiversite-mondes-fossiles.html

22 Mai2018
L’évolution du vivant et de la biodiversité - Des mondes fossiles à la biodiversité contemporaine

Publié dans Colloques, conférences et débats


Conférence débat de l’Académie des sciences

L’immense majorité des organismes et espèces qui ont vécu sur notre planète sont éteints, parfois fossiles, et leurs caractères morphologiques hérités homologues et partagés avec des espèces actuelles permettent de retracer, à l’aide des sciences du Vivant et des sciences de la Terre, leur histoire de vie ou leurs relations de parenté avec une relative précision. Les progrès dans ces domaines ont permis d’évaluer l’importance relative des fluctuations de la biodiversité au cours des temps géologiques (le "temps long") en fonction des grands évènements physiques majeurs qui ont rythmé son histoire. Ils ont aussi permis d’affiner nos connaissances sur les environnements où ont vécu ces organismes disparus, apportant des informations sur les grand cycles biogéochimiques (carbone, calcium, soufre) qui ont contraint les climats et les environnements au cours de l’histoire de la vie.
La biologie des organismes actuels permet parfois de définir des "proxies", des modèles grâce auxquels il est possible d’inférer dans une certaine mesure les caractéristiques des organismes fossiles qui leurs sont les plus étroitement apparentés. Par ailleurs, les nouvelles technologies d’imagerie et de biogéochimie permettent maintenant de reconstituer les tissus mous dont les traces sont exceptionnellement conservées dans les sédiments à la faveur de films bactériens, parfois avec une remarquable fidélité. Cette séance de l’Académie des sciences montrera comment les sciences du Vivant éclairent l’approche historique des sciences de la Terre, et réciproquement.


Retracer l’histoire de la biosphère: une entreprise à plusieurs sciences
Bruno DAVID

Observer, comprendre et prédire l’évolution en action
Anne CHARMANTIER

Quoi de neuf sur l’évolution des plantes ?
François PARCY

Diversité génétique humaine & adaptation
Michel RAYMOND

Conclusion
Yvon LE MAHO

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Extrait de "Mes amours décomposées" par Gabriel Matzneff.
Publié sur le mur de Pierre Carles.
https://www.facebook
.com/Pierre.Carles.Officiel/posts/290995169080854
Quel petit monde charmant.

https://twitter.com/Jean_no/status/1363272756553482240?s=19

>>17810724
La suprématie québécoise en action, very based

Not sure I can think of a single baguette author off the top of my head

>>17804951
>Hasn't read Guy de Maupassant
Sorry anon but you'll always be a midwit

>>17808328
This makes him /our guy/

>>17812396
Nah but I did read Borges and I'll take him over any sterile pessimistic realist tripe any day.

>>17813015
>but I did read Borges
Borges is a Schwob copycat my friend (not to say he isn't great, but the influence is really obvious)

>>17813052
Looked him up. Sounds more like this Schwob ripped of Poe and only influenced Borges early work which is weaker than his more important stuff.

>>17813168
Poe influenced all the French fellas of the times thanks to Baudelaire. But Schwob and Poe are vastly different. As for Borges the influence is much bigger, and if you're arguing honestly you should try him out.

>>17805003
>can only read in translation
tell me how i know you're a midwit

I like France's tradition of 'cursed' (maudit) writers, if we can call them that way. Or maybe 'transgressive'... Well, I'm taking about more or less edgy writers like Sade, Rimbaud, Lautreamont, Céline, Bataille, Genet... I think you guys get what I mean.

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Rappelle-toi Barbara
Il pleuvait sans cesse sur Brest ce jour-là
Et tu marchais souriante
Épanouie ravie ruisselante
Sous la pluie
Rappelle-toi Barbara
Il pleuvait sans cesse sur Brest
Et je t'ai croisée rue de Siam
Tu souriais
Et moi je souriais de même
Rappelle-toi Barbara
Toi que je ne connaissais pas
Toi qui ne me connaissais pas
Rappelle-toi
Rappelle-toi quand même ce jour-là
N'oublie pas
Un homme sous un porche s'abritait
Et il a crié ton nom
Barbara
Et tu as couru vers lui sous la pluie
Ruisselante ravie épanouie
Et tu t'es jetée dans ses bras
Rappelle-toi cela Barbara
Et ne m'en veux pas si je te tutoie
Je dis tu à tous ceux que j'aime
Même si je ne les ai vus qu'une seule fois
Je dis tu à tous ceux qui s'aiment
Même si je ne les connais pas
Rappelle-toi Barbara
N'oublie pas
Cette pluie sage et heureuse
Sur ton visage heureux
Sur cette ville heureuse
Cette pluie sur la mer
Sur l'arsenal
Sur le bateau d'Ouessant
Oh Barbara
Quelle connerie la guerre
Qu'es-tu devenue maintenant
Sous cette pluie de fer
De feu d'acier de sang
Et celui qui te serrait dans ses bras
Amoureusement
Est-il mort disparu ou bien encore vivant
Oh Barbara
Il pleut sans cesse sur Brest
Comme il pleuvait avant
Mais ce n'est plus pareil et tout est abimé
C'est une pluie de deuil terrible et désolée
Ce n'est même plus l'orage
De fer d'acier de sang
Tout simplement des nuages
Qui crèvent comme des chiens
Des chiens qui disparaissent
Au fil de l'eau sur Brest
Et vont pourrir au loin
Au loin très loin de Brest
Dont il ne reste rien.

>>17810724
Basé

Test?

boipm

>>17804875
DANGEROUSLY BASED?
What book?

>>17814478
I think transgressive is the right term here. Cursed writers only describes writers with huge talents than do not get recognised when they're alive: Baudelaire, Villon, Lautréamont, Rimbaud, Corbière, etc. Not something to be proud of.
>>17816912
Un des meilleurs poèmes de Prévert, basé.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AW8kS7zjpyU