/lit/ - Literature

Hit him with the transcendental argument

>>17790315
There is no God, however this prof does sound cringe

>>17790420
Wrong on both accounts. There is a god and he is Just doing His job

>>17790315
This is just the script from that generic christian movie.

>>17790481
Nice b8

yeah man.
its your professor's job to challenge your ideologies and beliefs. don't take it personally. don't resent him for it, and definitely don't work to censor or change that.
you are allowed to develop your own opinions through the disagreements and discussions you have with him. even if he's a hack, he's a professor and you and a student. respect your context, and bring your energy to your papers.

>>17790315
>University profs are liberal and hate religion
Truly unexpected
Still, I'd suggest paying attention. If your beliefs are shaken by it, take it as a sign your faith is not strong enough, and work to be better

Here in Belgium a professor got fired a few years ago because he presented arguments against abortion during a class about critical thinking. I hate universities with such a passion.

>>17790496
This, but do >>17790538 this.

>>17790496
it is but is happening to me right now. However this guy is more subtle.

>>17790558
Dat piece of paper tho

>>17790315
Is he doing it like a fag or with genuine disputation? Like, I had a professor who would just scoff at any arguments that presupposed God. By total contrast, I had a professor who argued against absolutely everything. Every concept or idea or argument we learned about, religious or secular, he would have us consider the counterarguments to it (and often the response to the counter arguments too). Simply because he wanted to emphasis the importance of disputation in philosophy. It would leave many classes feeling like a rollercoast. Where he would propose a world-shattering position, then demand we disprove it, and if we couldn't he would do it himself, and then have us respond to that. Often frustrating, but fulfilling in the end.

>>17790607
He's quite clever, he goes talking about morality, the argument from design, the problem of evil, determinism, concluding that there is insufficient proofs or whatever. He never gives any explicit reason to why we shouldn't believe in God, but the whole process and the conclusions we reach make his intention quite clear. He also accepts criticism from the alumni, and as you might understand given the rhetorical skills of a modern undergrad they're always defeated.

>>17790360
>Hey look I don't understand math or morality, it must be God

>>17790315
Having your beliefs challenged is healthy. Even if you feel like you can't rationally defend them yourself, there's bound to be someone trough history who did and you'll come across him and start reading more and more, that's how you git gud at philosophy.

>>17790915
t.doesn’t understand the argument

>>17790941
What pisses me off is that things like this move impressionable retards away from God, apart from the fact that secularism is already the default position for most of the young population in the West. There's no need to pretend we're liberating consciousnesses from the ebil medieval Church or something in here.

>>17790915
>filtered lmao

>>17790315
Ask him if he can disprove Godel.

>>17790915
>Hey look I don't understand the argument, I must write a greentext

>>17790315
>wtf is happening?
Philosophy, I guess?

How does he refute argument from change assuming efficient causality

>>17791539
>Philosophy, I guess

>>17790558
>>17790582
Post it?

>>17790538
based sensible poster. The only I'd add is that you should look for thinkers and writings that help you defend your own position. I'm sure even your professor could point you to some.

>>17790607
that sounds like a very good professor giving you your money's worth. college is plagued by worthless professors

>>17791592
What a load of shit.

>>17790558
de Marquis' argument against abortion is near irrefutable

Sad that institutions have to resort to censorship and cancelling

>>17790315
Has he addressed the presuppositional argument for God? The one put forth by Van Til and Greg Bahnsen. Most fedora atheists are completely unprepared to debate it, since most of their arguments consist of the usual reddit-tier snark, but I feel like a philosophy professor might have an interesting response to it. He sounds gay tho

>>17790481
Fuck off disgusting trans faggot nobody will ever love you disgusting Freak of nature we would put you in a gas chamber if Islam was in power

>>17791927
Don Marquis*

There is one argument that will defeat any so-called "philosophy" teacher. When you have a moment to speak, stand with your feet firmly planted and your shoulders grazing the heavens and say "Nigger." Observe how your stunned ""professor"" will have nothing to say.

>>17791049
>believes in god
>thinks others are the impressionable retards
Lol ok

>>17791592
based an emanation-pilled

>>17790538
Wow...you're a complete cock sucker for your professors.

Wait for him to get hit by a car

>>17790315
>"the professor may dispute your religious beliefs"

Start referring to God as Allah and watch him grovel.

Are you actually complaining that your professor isn't coddling your personal beliefs? Don't you have to be above a certain age to get into higher education like that?

>>17792036
I have proved God.

>>17790315
christcucks BTFO, go to theology next time, cuck

>>17790481
based

>>17790315
btfo

>>17792819
this lmfao

OP really thought his baby tier ancient book written by hebrew inbreds was some great philosophical work?

A United States Marine was taking some college courses between deployments. He had completed 20 missions in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the courses had a professor who was an avowed atheist, and a member of the ACLU.

One day the professor shocked the class when he came in. He looked to the ceiling and flatly stated, "GOD, if you are real, then I want you to knock me off this platform. I'll give you exactly 15 minutes." The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes went by and the professor proclaimed, "Here I am GOD, I'm still waiting."

It got down to the last couple of minutes when the Marine got out of his chair, went up to the professor, and cold-cocked him; knocking him off the platform. The professor was out cold.

The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently. The other students were shocked and stunned, and sat there looking on in silence. The professor eventually came to, noticeably shaken, looked at the Marine and asked, "What in the world is the matter with you? Why did you do that?"

The Marine calmly replied, "GOD was too busy today protecting America's soldiers who are protecting your right to say stupid stuff and act like an idiot. So, He sent me."

The classroom erupted in cheers!

>>17790558
I had no idea Belgium was still so based. Hope you see him street-sweeping soon.

>>17793412
Lmao I forgot how good this boomer post was.

>>17790771
That literally just sounds like a worthless adjunct waving his dick at undergrads.

Any philosophy class that doesn’t take seriously the question of the existence or non-existence of God is a joke. Philosophy isn’t when you take a milquetoast presently popular opinion and just bludgeon undergrads with it.

The most brilliant thinkers in human history have established cogent and meaningful arguments for why there would be a God, and just “muh problem of evil” is ruining the class from one of the most essential enduring questions of Western philosophy.

>>17790315
just tell him he exists within the mind of God and he's too pussy to realize it
Come at this bitch with knowledge of what consciousness actually is (individuated units of grand unified consciousness aka the omnipotent divine mind of God), that our mind gives off an energy signal which can alter physical particles and for which the signal frequency is altered by our moods (they call them brainwaves, more properly understood, "mindwaves"), show him the evidence that physical macrostructures in the universe mimic the appearance of microstructures within the mammalian brain, and explain how all matter is simply reducible to non-solid energy particles vibrating in a slow condensed fashion, and then explain how these energy particles are arranged by separate universal forces that mimic the affects of our mindwaves at macrocosm, and then explain how we are living with a virtual reality simulation within a divine, mathematically driven reality matrix; living within a thought within the mind of God, separate but whole units of his consciousness.
Then call him gay at the end too

>>17790481
Why are you trying to confuse the noobs?

>>17791369
Godel's formalization of Anselm's proof is interesting to read, but if anything reading it closely will make you realize how circular the argument fundamentally is.

>>17791049
>>17790771
>>17790315
Yeah, this is about as far as I got into the thread before I realized that you're borderline illiterate. Not sure how you qualified to get into a university. If you don't up your game you're going to be in for a rough ride. Not just in university but in life.

But this here:
>pisses me off
> is that things like this move impressionable retards away from God,

You have a very shallow grasp on life in general. Your anger stems from your frustration that there are people in this world who think differently than you, believe differently than you, and are far more educated than you. Your arrogance is that you think that you have nothing to learn, that you already know everything. Have you ever heard that old joke that when you sit down in a card game and you don't know who the mark is, you are the mark? Guess what. You're sitting in a class and don't know who the slow student is.

What are you going to do to fix that?

>>17790315
tell him how he's only refuting his own Interpretation of god/ the religion and therefore for his gerneralizations are insufficiant to his criticizm.

>>17791927
>Sad that institutions have to resort to censorship and cancelling
They always have. What is unquestionable just changes.

>>17794716
Sorry professor I didn't mean to offend you.

>>17794716
>t. atheists who was born atheist and never once questioned his beliefs talking to a minority who is already constantly belittled and attacked for his
stop being ridiculous

>>17790315
He sounds like a fuckin liteweight
arguments against god? just too easy
I'd spend 2 classes at most on this, tell any religios to read Augustine and Kierkegaard, then move onto more interesting topics, like arguing that equality, as a mathematical concept, cannot be coherently applied in morality

>>17790315
You wasted your money enrolling in philosophy 101?

>>17790315
Debate him and tell him he's wrong. But seems standard philosophy to me if you're actually going through philosophers that dealt with God/theology in any serious capacity and it isn't him jerking off his atheism.

>>17790558
Something like that happened in New York, Red Scare had a podcast episode about it with the professor in question. Pretty cool, check it out.
https://redscarepodcast.libsyn.com/propaganda-w-mark-crispin-miller

>>17790315
“If someone proved to me thatChristisoutsidethetruthand that in reality thetruthwereoutsideofChrist, then I should prefer to remain withChristrather than with thetruth.”

>>17791927
I can't find the original argument by Don Marquis anywhere, got a link? It's all just "refutations" and other non-sense.

>>17790607
This is how you do philosophy to be honest. Most people are just unwilling to put on the table their core beliefs and seriously consider the possibility that they may be wrong, or at least very frail

>>17797144
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophical_aspects_of_the_abortion_debate#The_deprivation_argument

>>17791391
No that's pretty much the entire argument prove me wrong (you can't)

>>17790315
“If someone proved to me thatChristisoutsidethetruthand that in reality thetruthwereoutsideofChrist, then I should prefer to remain withChristrather than with thetruth.”

>>17793412
God bless, y'all

>>17790315
The logical side of myself thinks it is alright to discuss religion in a challanging, after all it is healthy to dispute things with well meaning intentions. However, having been once an edgy atheist who mocked and derided all possible merits of religion as conformist indoctrination. I nowadays see religion as a very humble way of seeing things. I have not read any theological manuscripts at all and don't know if I should or want to. I think I might prefer my perhaps naive and romantic view of religion instead of focusing on cold hard rules of tradition. I submit to something infinitely more powerful but benevolent being I feel is a sign of maturity. It is saddening to hear a young persons mockery of spiritual respect and brotherhood. But it is pleasing to see people of any age to realize the beauty of life, to hear them appreciate the world and the oppertunity of loving their fellow men. I think there is something of value in religious spirituality and I hope your professor does too. I would be saddened if he only thought of the nasty sides of institutional religion. Spirituality is too kind and human to think away as tool of opression.

>>17792491
lmao

>>17790315
Challenge your prof to a one on cage match . You representing Yahweh the god of Abraham , Isaac , and Jacob, the prof representing secular humanism. I’m guessing your Prof is a Normie when it comes to fighting, and he thinks a cage match is going to be like WWE, or that he could win with karate or something. Obviously, Normie’s Hardcore neglect ground game . Everybody more or less has experience, or basic know how or what a punch looks like, how to land it, but hardly anyone outside of specialists know anything about grappling, to have a tiny tiny bit of grappling training, against somebody who has none, makes a massive difference . Before you start, Pray to God for Samsonite strength. It’s highly highly unlikely that it will be granted to you, God has missions trips to fund for white girls but hey, you gotta shoot your shot. Anyways dude, you’re going to overwhelm him with a shock and awe ground game. Find your closest jujitsu studio, and if it’s open most places give you a month for free. If it’s not open, then find whoever the owner is, message them directly through Instagram, and they’ll give you one on one training. It’ll definitely be more expensive, but hey, you’re fighting for the existence of the God of the universe so I think you can spare $200. Anyways, practice basic takedowns, and then a couple submissions (just the basics will do, rear naked choke etc.) Go a couple times a week, most places offer open mat, where you can find a guy to work stuff out with, they’re usually really nice And are happy to see you grow. Also make sure to not neglect basic conditioning, get up to running maybe 5 miles and a little weight training definitely won’t hurt. The day of the fight, bell rings, you touch gloves and then just go for the takedown boom submission, over in 20 seconds . The entire class, obviously watching submits to the will and glory of the Lord Jehovah. From there, pick out an eligible maiden from your class, and , after marriage promptly motorboat those mommy milkers

>>17790315
He is just teaching you that you have to have actual arguments and be able to take counterarguments without crying like the little superstitious bitch you are

>logic professor reads arguments out of a logic textbook on why the 2nd amendment is necessary to a class mostly filled by upper class liberal New Yorkers
>speaks critically of the discussion on abortion since the two sides don't share definitions making it obvious things will go nowhere
>shuts down 'spiritual' girl trying to claim that there is no objective reality as a way to avoid having to make definitions
>when teaching proofs during the coof he would sometimes upload videos where he silently wrote out logic diagrams and steps for proofing while free jazz played in the background, then he'd point down the list while staring into the camera
Based dude, I miss his classes

>>17798154
>>shuts down 'spiritual' girl trying to claim that there is no objective reality as a way to avoid having to make definitions
What did he say

>>17791639
Indeed he is excellent. I have been fortunate with most of my professors, but this one, in particular, is something special.
>>17797169
Indeed, and it seems like something obvious doesn't. The issue is that I think classrooms tend not to be conducive towards this, because you cannot erase the pressure of students not wanting to conform to their peers. This is why I think my professor's method is best, that is, to force people to make arguments against everything.

>>17798154
>shuts down 'spiritual' girl trying to claim that there is no objective reality as a way to avoid having to make definitions
I also want to know his position here. I am sure the femoid was cringe about it, but I find there to be merit in something like Cartesian doubt.

>>17798170
>>17798202
Not him, but consider. To say there is no objective reality is a precise and objective declaration about the nature of reality. Therefore, there is objective reality. It is a self-defeating position. A proper argument would be "I am fallible, therefore I do not know whether anything, outside of my own doubt, is objectively true,".

>>17797177
There's objections on that page though

>>17793412
Thank you for your service