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"Where stupidity reaches degrees that become incomprehensible and exclude conversation its significance as a phenomenon grows – it is to be assumed that very strong powers become active, not only zoologically but also demonologically."

>> No.17764365 [DELETED] 

>>17764343
redpilled. why has demonology died out?

>> No.17764494

>>17764365
Good question. Demons and folk monsters are perhaps more true interpretations of our era than anything discussed in traditional religions. Dealing with it appropriately could also be a better response to the second religiousness than anything in Christianity or even hellenism.

>> No.17765062

>>17764343
Jungerbros - I'm halfway through Storm of Steel and am really enjoying it so far, but from what I've heard his later books seem even more interesting. How many of them have been translated into English, and what's the best way to read through them?

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>>17765062

>> No.17765763

>>17765755
there is also another one called Interwar Articles in English

>> No.17765772

Does anyone know the artist/artwork for Eumeswil?

>> No.17765790

>>17765772
wikipedia says it's Heinz Edelmann's

>> No.17765886

>>17765062
What are you interested in? That's probably the best start.
The Worker is his most important book, but quite difficult.

>> No.17766725

>>17765886
I'm interested in his fiction, Eumeswil in particular. Originally I was planning on moving on directly to that after finishing SoS, but now I'm thinking it might be better to at least read On the Marble Cliffs first for some perspective on how his thought developed.

>> No.17767574

>>17766725
The chart is pretty good, but as an explanation...
It's probably fine to start with Eumeswil if that's what you're interested in. I think that's generally the best way to read, along with some guided teaching, or at least focus on great works. I think Eumeswil was the second book I read by Junger.
There is some difficult thought in the book based on myth and the philosophy of history. I think Approaches is the only title in English that deals with this, although I have not read much of it yet so can't say if it is to the same extent as maxima minima and an der zeitmauer. I hope to discuss it here at some point.

Marble Cliffs is a great jumping off point as well, followed by The Adventurous Heart, On Pain, or the Interwar Articles.

If you're interested in a copy of Marble Cliffs my upload may be the only version that isn't a 100$
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/ernst-j%C3%BCnger/on-the-marble-cliffs/paperback/product-w2e2m6.html

Let me know and I can check it tomorrow for final edits. It's the good translation by Stuart Hood, just had to be re-edited for the file to work in printing.
May make a cover for it too.

>> No.17767831

>>17767574
Thanks for the explanation, it helps.

>> No.17768436

>>17767831
No problem. At some point there will be a blog dedicated to translations of Jünger, and a fair bit of it will be on history since it is one of my main interests and also central to Jünger's thought.
There have also been a few discussions on the Anarch, which may help in your reading of Eumeswil.
Hope you enjoy the books.

>> No.17768750

>>17764494
Possession is wide spread. I look out upon the world and see demons. The significance of this is the focus on morality as morality is and should be the basis of all Intelligence. Since it’s gone. Intelligence is a weapon the demons use to put humans at war with each other.

>> No.17768780

Daily reminder that if you like Jünger's novels you should read Gracq novels too.

>> No.17768795

>>17768780
A good suggestion.

>> No.17768838

>>17764343
Is he talking about how you can b& from Twitter and Facebook for criticizing trannies, faggots and pedophiles?

>> No.17768963

>>17767574
Different anon here, I read SoS, then Paris Journals, and I just ordered The Peace off Lulu. I think there is massive value in the Paris Journals because he reads so much and they are writers most Americans have never heard of. I was already planning on reading Demons this year and Junger references it several times in his journals. Also, he reads lots of Leon Bloy, who I had never heard of before but he sounds badass.

>> No.17769036

>>17764365
It hasn't. Videogame culture maintains the tradition quite well in its own, more realistic way.

>> No.17769488

>>17768963
He mentions Demons as a source of figures who have not yet arrived, as an end of nihilism but also its possible solution.
And multiple references to Bloy in Maxima - Minima or Zeitmauer, can't remember which.

The journals are definitely a treasure trove, as the shipwreck poster proved.
Hopefully these books turn out alright. I would like to have an original but the 150 dollar books start to add up quickly.

>> No.17769754

>>17764494
>>17768750
This reminds me
>>/lit/thread/S15699953#p15711777

"In this is revealed the extent to which the Christian relies on the ancestors it repudiates - a religion of patricide in law rather than myth, and perhaps the source of its self-masochism and devouring qualities. Saturn-like in its human moralising. Also in this, the very contradiction of the modern period can be understood as the failure of the Katechon against laws of time, demanding ever more of the material world what may never fall from heaven. And so all ages become lost, all men the caricatures of their fabled warnings. Death may only struggle against itself, as nature too must feed upon its carrion and be given rebirth into divine form.

Perhaps the tale of the werewolf is revealing here: he whose appetite can never be satisfied; he who must devour the vitality of lost youth; he to whom no sacrifices can be made. The absolute return of man to nature, the myth of Actaeon in a peasant song. There is power in the tale, but only as it is enslaved to another world, an unknown sovereign law. The monstrous thus appears as the rightful heir to the fallen angel, he for whom only primordial wealth will suffice. Christianity loses its own being in such a world, gives way to the earthly forces, that which resides beneath it and presses the Christian to his vice. He who has become the bestial politician sides with the peasant, but mostly his death within brutal nature. He who is without decision and will, yet writes them as tales of war in themselves. One can thus see the proximity of modern masters to old world slaves, and the living death of noble character. The realpolitik of Chiron-figures gives way to the bestial character of which it was but a means. The monarch continues his existence only through lycanthropy, and even the divine renounces the silver gown for youthful blood.

The necessity of sacrifice returns along with the duality of material qualities. Tyr's hand in the grips of the world's end. Nothing worldly will suffice in this, this is written into the necessity of the tale, and yet it is all we see. Decision cuts out from the world its moral qualities - but the moral is not of its own world, not a dominion in itself. Opposed to morality the decision completely lacking in certainty. Between the youthful blood and the werewolf."

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>> No.17770355 [DELETED] 

Bumpp

>> No.17770986 [DELETED] 

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>> No.17771367

>>17765755
>no war as an inner experience
>no fire and blood
>no interwar articles

>> No.17771384

>>17765062
Read more of his interwar articles

>> No.17771386

>>17771384
*books

>> No.17771629

>>17771384
Who originally published Interwar Articles?

>> No.17771750

>>17771629
I am not sure. There seems to be at least 3 different prints floating around today, I think it is just a collection of essays that he wrote between the two wars.
My favourite period of his writing is interwar: SoS, Copse 125 etc etc

>> No.17772383

>>17771367
Fire and Blood was on amazon but it doesn't seem to be available anymore.

>> No.17772530

>>17771750
Have you read the newest Storm of Steel available?

>> No.17772564

>>17772530
No I have not. I have read the older translation with the black cover (creighton translation, very good) but I see there is a newer translation on amazon with an orange cover.

>>17772383
I managed to get it while it was on there, I don't know if it will be available again....

>> No.17772755

>>17772564
It's the same translator as Fire and Blood.

>> No.17773100

>>17772755
Yes, I saw. WAIE is a good translation

>> No.17774514

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