/lit/ - Literature

>>17764010
Fucking brutal

>As anal play is an essential exercise in human mastery, it is better not interfered with. If the adult anxiously cuts it short, then he charges the animal function with an extra dose of anxiety.
>It becomes more threatening and has to be extra-denied and extra-avoided as an alien part of oneself. This extra-grim denial is what we mean by the "anal character." An "anal" upbringing, then, would be an affirmation, via intense repression
>Penis-envy, then, arises from the fact that the mother's genitals have been split off from her body as a focalization of the problem of decay and vulnerability. Bernard Brodsky remarks about his female patient: "Her concept of woman as fecal greatly stimulated her penis envy, since the lively erectile penis was the antonym of the dead, inert stool"
>Phyllis Greenacre--outstanding student of the child's experiences--had already remarked on this same equation in the child's perception: penis = movement, therefore life; feces = inertia, therefore death

>>17764107
Based Becker

Everything is a cope.
Including coping.
Even acknowledging everything is a cope is, in itself, a cope.
It's all a cope.

Ok, so now what?
What do I do with this knowledge? All it's done is make me miserable. Why did someone write this? This shit should be banned, unironically. This is too grim for most people. There's no turning back from it and Becker offers no solutions.

>>17764197
Becker died a Christian in the tradition of Kierkegaard.

>>17764263
Yea I really don’t understand why people keep saying he’s a pessimist when most of the book is an affirmation of a kierkegaardian “God”

>>17764466
Implying that people on /lit/ read

>>17764010
Last book I read, made me realise even more that I need a religion; but becker kind of ruined it anyway. I'll strap in for a copeless existence, wish me luck bros

>>17764197
you didn't already realize everything in life is a cope for death? anyone who gets their mind blown by a "pulitzer prize winning" book is a ultra-midwit

>>17764197
Work on life extension technologies and enjoy what you can.

>>17764263
That was a cope just like Kierkegaard coped with his melancholic philosophy.

>>17764888
Filthy humanist get out of this thread

>>17764902
>That was a cope just like Kierkegaard coped with his melancholic philosophy.
Yes, that's the whole point. It's the final cope. It's a self-aware cope.

>>17764518
Maybe there's something wrong with me but this book didn't make me want to fucking rope ASAP. I already kind of thought that everything was cope. Relationships, religion, "passions"- all cope.

>>17764010
>jewish
There's so many books I want to read but I've passed on because the author is a Jude or from a jewish background. Fucking /pol/ has ruined me. Had to stop 30 pages in on I and Thou because i realized Buber was a tribe member

>>17765037
You're mentally fucked bro.
Literally read this book to shatter your shitty spooks. If you can't then just read The Last Messiah. Zapffe basically presented same thesis 45 years before Becker.

>>17765037
Good call desu, if not for the right reasons.

>>17765037
And that's a good thing. I don't read any Jewish literature because of conspiracy shit or /pol/, but because they are neurotic nutcase who can't enjoy life

>>17765069
What was Zappfe's solution?

>>17765137
By rejecting Christ they rejected Life. Sad! many such cases

>>17765137
You are an illustrate faggot.
First Tolstoy wrote the ways people in his friends circle cope with death then Zapffe wrote The Last Messiah. Both of them were Aristocrats who spent their whole lives doing literature and philosopher.
Also pessimism is a primitive philosophy which linked backed to an ancient Greek God Silenus(The Wisdom of Silenus).

>>17765176
Read the essay. You can read it in 30 minutes.

https://philosophynow.org/issues/45/The_Last_Messiah

>>17764197
If everything is a cope then that philosophy defeats itself and then there is no point in being miserable. You being miserable as a reaction is the cope.

>>17765235
You clearly have no idea what philosophy is.

>>17765396
It's an ambiguous word so I don't really give a shit about an all encompassing definition. In my culture and language wisdom is also called philosophy.

>>17765447
You think what you said and the authors you cited characterize wisdom? Start with Plato.

>>17765463
Yes I do consider A Confession by Tolstoy and The Last Messiah works of existential philosophy. And Wisdom of Silenus is also philosophy.
I don't give a single shite about systematic or academic autism.

Bump

This book probably fucked me up somehow. I read it when I was 18 or something. It's neurotic as fuck.

>>17764010
I remember that part about the boy whoose bowels fell out of his rectum if his mother didn't push it back in - felt very sad reading that

>>17764010
Now read Frankl and grow up.

>>17765137
Life is not for your enjoyment. This is a hedonistic fallacy that is causing the greatest rise in depression ever.

Anti semitism is foolishness. The Rothchilds are not all jews. This is a false generalisation. How dumb can you be. SMFH!

I reiterate read Frankl.

>>17768237
>the meaning you choose for yourself in life matters because... uhh... it just DOES, ok!!

>>17765137
*blocks ur path*

>>17768269
>I reiterate read Frankl
Is that the unholyhoax guy?

>>17765137
I agree actually, nearly all Jewish writers are neurotic cunts that live haunted existences, but that's not their prerogative, the South Africans are equally miserable. The guy that authored the meme book (you know which one) is also South African.

>>17769691
faggot

desu I prefer U. G.

>>17768269
t. neurotic jew

>>17770462
I gave up on UG after reading about his "enlightenment" experiences. He was just another bitter hack along.

>>17770549
still got a soft spot for the fella

>>17770691
Don't know bro.
It kinda disappointed me. I still have his philosophy in my mind.

>>17765037
Same, I stopped read the OP book because I'm just not that afraid of death nor do I deny it. So its meaningless to me.

>>17764197
Take off your clothes and dive in naked brother. Feel the water brush against your penis like a flipper. Feel it. Use it. Swim like a fish.

>>17770896
>I stopped read the OP book
>I'm just not that afraid of death nor do I deny it
>I stopped read the OP book
If you'd read the book you'd know how typical your behavior is and actually affirms the author's point.

>>17764197
Everything is a cope, including Becker's book. Therefore it is wrong, therefore everything isn't a cope.

>>17771111
Based and checked

>>17765511
Rhetoric is not philosophy. Again, start with Plato urgently.

>>17771120
It is considered philosophy in my culture so for me it is phil.

>>17764010
based

>>17771200
I repeat: you are ignorant about philosophy. I don’t care about degenerated values of a decadent culture, and neither does reality.

>>17771392
I repeat: you are ignorant about philosophy. I don’t care about degenerated values of a decadent culture, and neither does reality.

>>17771117
It's quite enlightening that Nihlisim defeats Nihlistic lifestyles / thinking itself

>>17771111
What I remember of the book is that the author was talking a lot about self-defence mechanisms that spring out of the fear of death, and I just don't fear death. Otherwise the book seemed Jewwy and just didn't align with how I feel about stuff.

>>17764010
Life-changing. Take in small doses. Follow up with existential psychotherapy (Yalom). Become an courageous existentialist or adopt a removal strategy.

>>17771608

What is a "removal strategy"?

>>17771621
Example
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>>17764197
Read the Epic of Gilgamesh. We need a Cope and there's nothing wrong with that. You could travel to the end of the world, defeat Monsters and bargain with the gods, you're still going to die. Go back to Uruk, drink wine, have kids, enjoy what you have while you can and avoid reading Nietzsche like if his books were the Bull of Heaven.

>>17765023
Same. I don't really take issue with the content of the book itself-- I'm very influenced by Freud and Kierkegaard anyway. It's more that Becker's narrow analysis of existentialism, psychoanalysis and Rousseau was easy to see through as pure depression, one I don't have quite the same intellectual commitment to. Dude was committed to his views way before writing this book I imagine.

>>17771608
>existential psychotherapy (Yalom)
any guides or resources?

>>17772456
Read Staring at the Sun

>>17764197

now you realize that coping is not actually a bad thing it's just losers on the internet projecting on everybody else for having the ability to actually deal with their own life

>>17764197
>What do I do with this knowledge?
You cope

Roll your rock up a hill faggot

>>17764197
is there something wrong with coping?

>>17772749
His point is that all there is is cope. We're all trying to find reasons to keep on living, but there is no real reason to hence this >>17772533

Schopenhauer said that the only to things that keep life in motion are desire and illusion. You remove those you remove the will to live.

>>17765037

I unironically pass over some jewish authors not as a rule but because they're always so popularized and overhyped by fellow tribers in the media. Death and Denial is a prime example of this. Another is "Thinking Fast and Slow" by Kahneman. I won't pass over any serious literature but any book that's been pushed to prominence from credentialism I approach skeptically.

>>17764197
Wasn't this obvious to anyone else from the time they were young? Like you guys didn't realize by their teenage years that life had no central narrative? Western civilization has lived with awareness of this since at least Nietzsche's time

>>17772823
Too true. Because Hitler lost the war the only acceptable narrative that can replace the God shaped hole in the heart of of mankind is the neurotic fretting of urbane Jewish intellectuals? Why not heroism? Why not violence? Why not meaning carved in blood? Why not the pagan spiritual rebirth that the BAP types want? If no true meaning exists then let the lads forge their own. Beats porn and videogames

>>17764888
fuck life extension

>>17771493
unironically my favorite answer to nihilism.

>if nothing matters, then why does it matter to you that nothing matters? Unless of course, something does matter, and you were too afraid to face it....

>>17772817
yes but Schopenhauer was phenomenically obsessed baindead ape so I can easily ignore his bs and realize instead that all existence demands it's realization therefore all reasons needed to wan't to keep living is to become myself even if I will still be a mortal man at the end of the day (wich is a good thing anyways)

>>17773186
...Unless of course, something doesn't matter and you were too afraid to face it.

>>17773220
It doesn't matter to me that it doesn't matter to you, I'm off to rape, what now?

>>17773060
It's not some enlightened revelation. Many people that grew up in shitty families have this feeling

>>17773240
You can't possibly reach your own ass.

>>17764010
If I already read the Ligotti should I read this too? I liked that one just wondering if they are majorly different. Thanks

>>17773060
When you're young you're able to process that you're going to die but it takes a while for the grimness of the situation to really sink in because in the beginning your idea of death is kind of vague and time seems so slow

>Modern people can handle death and spend their time alive obsessing over it.
Sad

>>17773300
>modern
always has been like this

>>17773190
Schopenhauer is what happens when you hate your mother

>>17773322
I guess, I'm mostly aware of how angsty the Greeks were. However, the anxiety I see now over death seems to be oddly pervasive and intense.

Books like this are the reason I am utterly fascinated by religion. The inevitable conclusion from the nihilistic rationalization put forth by people like Becker is no less insane than Christianity

>>17773351
is because we now have no religion to cuddle our balls everytime they shiver in fear and existential dread

>>17773186
>>if nothing matters, then why does it matter to you that nothing matters? Unless of course, something does matter, and you were too afraid to face it....
There are those who don't care that nothing matters, there rare because we long for a sense of meaning and purpose in life, because it gives our existence a sense of validity and that we are worthwhile. If this is true I don't know? But just because you feel a certain way doesn't prove anything

>>17773110
>BAP types
what are those anon?

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>>17773733
what's the opposite of this book?

>>17773801
This. Ironic considering he was so influential to Becker.

>>17773801
The acceptance of life

Also kill yourself

>>17773836
Becker became a Christian in the tradition of Kierkegaard.

>>17773896
Really? I've not seen or read any mention of a conversion at any point in his life, especially not in Escape from Evil where he basically goes on a full Nietzschean polemic.

>>17765037
You can read these books as long as you prepare yourself mentally and stay wary.

And use Libgen.

>>17764010
just another kike popping off

>>17774021
Nietzsches ideas are basically all Christian even though he doesn't realise it. The superman is just his failed attempt to understand the messiah.

>>17772533
This is what I dont get. Given the pic, this is why I believe in God. No it can't be proven, no there might not be meaning in it, but I choose to have faith.
I feel like fucking neo when I have these thought, it mkes me cringe a) that I think this and b) that atheists, agnostics and all sorts of secuar peopels are too dumb to understand this.

>>17768692
It matters because you make the choice to give it meaning you dumb fucking pleb.
>>17769189
What?
>>17770501
No. Just not an idiot.