/lit/ - Literature

Why doesnt she have a blindfold

>>17745306
Been enjoying the nonsense factory when I can. Just sold my soul to LexisNexis for 3 years.

>>17745574
>'the courthouse brochures explain that this is because Lady Justice was originally not blindfolded, and because her "maidenly form" is supposed to guarantee her impartiality which renders the blindfold redundant.'

I think she's just out for blood

>>17745574
you can't see it but her eyes are all milky and shit, she's defo blind, she doesn't have retinas

Law is utter garbage. I regret ever entering this racket. It's an absolutely methodless field, a complete shitshow of brainlets LARPing as galaxy brained individuals but just speaking gibberish without end.

>>17745306
Lawyers should be publicly skinned alive

On a serious note, any of the 6 other lawyers on the board started their own firm? I just got confirmation from the SoS that my PLLC went through. I have a few clients now. Any book recs? Any pro tips? Any good list servs?

I'm writing my law and literature dissertation on Leo Tolstoy. My supervisor said after I'm finished with the LLB I should try to become a literary critic. I just want to die, however

>>17745574
Because Justice ain't blind. If she see you loaded, she'll conspire so you don't go to jail or have to answer for your crimes. Pretty accurate and honest about peoples' lived experiences imo.

>>17745306
If you do not know what a Carbolic Smoke Ball is you MUST leave this thread.

Bloodsucking parasite general

>>17746144
Dick The Butcher was a villain, lol.
>>17746134
Good case. I suggest the oral arguments for Texas v. Johnson.
>>17746071
>dissertation on Leo Tolstoy
>I just want to die, however
I guess you should have done it on Dostoevsky instead.

Bump

>>17745992
Good on you anon. Honestly, you should be the one giving recs and advice on this. How'd you do it? How long have you been practicing?

>>17745574
She's finna stab bro, what accord?

>>17747942
Law school for 3 years I clerked at firms for about a year and when I finally passed the bar in this economy I realized the quickest way to money was helping out friends doing wills, incorporating, and litigating. Building the website is a pain because the ethics comity has to have screenshots mailed to them for review and incorporating takes a few months just for them to review the paperwork. So really my time “practicing” has been about two months or so, most of it spent setting everything up because of the purposely built road blocks that makes up the ol boys club of big firms. I don’t really know where the future is going to take me, but unless I get a gig being a public defender or something I’m just going to be winging it for a long while.

On a personal note, lady justice is lame, lady fortitude is where it’s at.

Books for law school
>planet law school 2
>getting to maybe
Interesting cases
>texas v johnson oral arguments
>Ford v dodge
>Bethel School District v. Fraser speech
>all Anticanon cases
>citizens United is a hell of a read
Biographies
>Clarence Darrow attorney for the damned
>my life as a radical lawyer william kunstler
Misc
>the nonsense factory
>typography for lawyers

Not at my library so I can’t remember any others off the top of my head.

Almost graduated Dutch law student here. Do you guys think law is a science? They teach it here at university level (if you aspire to be a judge/prosecutor/lawyer. To me it's just a collection of legal opinions but not much traditional science. Offline there are some empirical studies but mostly it's just literature (desk research)

>>17748800
Offline needs to be off course

>>17748800
Checked.
As the saying goes “we’re all positivist now.” I highly disagree with the formalistic approach of discovering law and treating it with the aspirational level of confidence of god. It’s a social science for sure, as much as studying humans within their societal constructs can be. Probabilities of human behavior and all that. But at its core we make the laws, we implement them, and we follow them. A writer that “discovers” a story isn’t finding anything. They’re making it up. Just as we make up the things we say and the things we type.

I imagine some of you are alright, but god I hate the whole practice of Law and Law students. Especially the women ones.

>No.17748800

I agree its pretty much just legal opinions and alot of the cases in the states rely on the jury. Of course there is definitely hard facts that go along with the law.

>>17748800
No, of course it isn't. It absolutely, cannot be, it will never be, and everytime a lawyer says they're doing "legal science" then you ought to shoot him.

>>17748965
A lawyer doesn't do science since he's not independent but acts on behalf of his clients. But let's say my professor in corporate law analyzes a shitload of public companies on their say on pay resolutions during the annual general meeting and he finds out that x. That's science in my opinion.

>>17749022
>>17748965
It’s a bastardized amalgamation of soft sciences. It’s communication, history, sociology, philosophy, etc all wrapped up in the practice of law. There are things within it that can be studied scientifically, e.g. the study that showed judges make better decisions after lunch. Or that particular jurors answers to questions are probable to lead to a specific outcome in a type of case. I agree that the idea of “legal science” goes into the category of lawyers that think the field is super special and unique. It’s the same personality that made a JD a doctorate and gave us a special test to get into law school instead of the GRE like any other masters program and tests to go practice like the bar. All these ideological predispositions to the field are rooted in formalist jurisprudence and a remnant of medieval social structures. It’s why it took decades for efiling to be a thing. Hell, some jurisdictions still require ads to be reviewed on VHS tapes. No matter what the scholarship and modern thought on the subject is, the power structures are still firmly rooted in these traditionalist motifs.

>>17749140
In my cunt the courts still use fax machines. Just now they are finally changing

>>17749149
Yeah, some courts and Gov departments still use fax machines in the US. It’s absurd. I could say “if it was run like a business they’d be efficient!” but the reality is that budgets are constantly being cut and a bunch of people profit off gatekeeping like that.

s a v e d
phew

>>17750419
I’d answer any silly questions if anyone had any.

>>17750431
What is it like working with lawyers? Are they really as nasty as people say they are? How culturally educated are the lawyers you know? Do they have time for diversion and reading non-law literature?

>>17750431
Anon we had an agreement >:I

>>17750501
>>17750791
Working with other lawyers is a complete gamble. Sometimes they are real people and have emotions and a drive and asperations, but many times they are beaten down by the system or so uneducated in the finer things in life that all they see is the blood of litigation and can't do anything beyond that. Many lawyers are simple lawyers. Some will quote scripture at you and others will talk infinite jest. But most are, as I made the girl cry in my jurisprudence class, they are "indoctrinated mercenaries". Of a profession you would think is the most well read, most of what I've experienced is a bunch of over worked, underpaid people who couldn't even form a G chord even if guitar has been their hobby for a decade. It's really kinda sad. Most attorneys I've talked with fall into the same traps as regular damn people.

>>17751490
you have any experience with biglaw?

>>17751752
Not big law as in hundreds of attorneys but I’ve been in firms with dozens of attorneys and they are all equally as awful based on their structure and inherent aspects.

>>17751490
So it's true.
What about verbal flair? How important is being a rhetorician for the actual practice of law? I have been on a jury once and most found it really weird when excessive language or intonation was used. Does it even matter when you are disputing matters of the law with the judge and prosecution/defence? I'm a very ordinary speaker with a tendency of speaking very dryly but strong in theory and the letter. Would I survive the climate?

should I still go for a law degree if I can't get into a good uni?
can I climb the ladder with skill alone

saved for smoker anon

>>17753320
It depends on the judge. Some judges like a literate lawyer, some judges can't even read. At trial it's about being clear and concise to a jury.
>>17753386
If you want to be a lawyer, you will go become a lawyer. Your inability to get into a t14 is only important to what the internet says, not your personal goals.
>>17755367
thanks anon, I'm hungover as shit.

In the summertime village cricket is the delight of everyone

>>17748186
I've been called for about eight months (June 2020), so I can't offer you much in the way of advice. However, if you're searching for a salaried job, I recommend looking for in-house lawyers who are going on mat leave. That's how I got my current position. I'm in Canada, though, and I heard that maternity leave in the US is a joke, so perhaps this doesn't help you much.

>>17749022
Your professor does nothing, judges do nothing, no one does nothing in the legal profession. Law is a joke field, with midwits as its participants.

>>17749140
There is nothing about the law that can be studied scientifically, any departure from the so called "legal method" (AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA) eventually falls into a proper science. Just look at what Posner has spent most of his life trying to do: use economics as the foundation of law, because he recognizes that the legal method is nothing but shit flinging retardation. Not that Posner is any less retarded, but at least he doesn't fall for the memes put forward by law schools. When you also mention stuff like "there are things within it that can be studied scientifically" you mean that people can apply social science methods to the law, but that's a given.