/lit/ - Literature

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>>17736871
I dream that I use my Dunyain powers to dominate Bakker thoroughly. He has forced me into the station of the cuck through his writing, and no matter how pleasurable that was, it is my time to return the favor. He will know that I am the Aspect-Reader, the Alpha and the Omega, the Cuck and the Cucked. While he is thoroughly under my control, I would grab him by his thinning mane of flaxen hair, and guide him down towards my cock, keeping him so close that in fact, his nose would glide along the shaft of my tumescent erection. Then, he would take my pride into his mouth, and I would force it down into his throat, gently at first, but more forcefully as the pleasure mounts. I would pinch his nose playfully and slap the glasses of his face, laughing and panting while he gags and slobbers. Finally, I would cum with the force of a thousand suns, filling his nostrils with dripping semen, and when all is said and done, I would cup his face in my hands, turn his eyes towards me and ask him:
Does it trouble you?

>>17736926
pretty well written desu

if I fall for the meme and read bakker where do I find the good covers? the only ones I could find had some poof's face on them.

>>17736979
The US paperbacks are nice

>>17737045
yeah that's the one I wanted but I guess australia didn't get it.

>>17737070
Australian government will hopefully keep Bakker restricted: sealed package, sold only to 18+ for the objectionable content. Soon will move to ban its sale altogether. Could inspire more violent white nationalist extremists.

thoughts on this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD32erMwMGE&t=60s&ab_channel=MediaDeathCult

>>17737045
Yeah, those are nice

has anypne read "The long Way to a Small Angry Planet" by Becky Chambers? The most tumblrina-SJW, Twatter-PeeCee, pseudo-progressive, hyper-woke shitfest I have ever read. I am a third of the way in and I am quitting that POS book. If it was better written I would have thought it was a parody.

Reading Sanderson to see what the fuss is about. On book 2 of way of kings, and I don't know how many more boring chapters with shallen I can handle. The kaladin chapters are good, dalinar chapters are ok, but the two women are fucking tedious as all get out

>>17737045
Ywnbaw

What are some good anti-monarchy reads?

>>17737954
>anti-monarchy
This isn't historically realistic, everybody was pro-monarchy during the medieval fantasy era.

>>17737954
Powder mage

>>17738004
>what are peasant revolts

are there fantasy books with sodomite mc with tons of cuckolding for mc?

>>17738070
They were against the local lord, but they were still pro-king, as the king ruled by divine mandate. Don't try to push your marxist shit on medieval fantasy, please.

>>17738097
A land fit for heroes

Is First Law trilogy high or low fantasy?

>>17737954
99.5% of modern fantasy mate.

>>17738288
Depends on which book you're reading.

>>17738288
you could say the world was high fantasy but it has declined into low fantasy

>>17738288
Low-IQ fantasy.

>>17738338
odd spelling of fantasy

>>17738288
It's just garbage

Who is the Bakker of science fiction?

>>17738484
Bakker

Best urban fantasy?

Memes aside; are Brian Herbert's Dune books really that bad?
As someone who enjoyed all 6 of Franks, would I enjoy continuing into Brian's Fanfic?

>>17738619
They’re all pretty derivative and trashy. And that’s as someone who still reads that garbage. Best imo, is the Daniel Faust series, but the last couple books haven’t been as good.

Writers and aspiring writers of /sffg/, how are your novels coming along?
Since both Bakker and Martin will likely never publish again, we need you to get cracking at those word counts.

>>17738728
terrible. i basically gave up after anons here told me my writing sucks. they’re right, so why even bother?

>>17738752
You can't even use basic punctuation so I imagine they were right.

>>17737356
I tried, I couldn't stomach it either.

>>17738790
>conflating punctuation with capitalization

>>17738643
>Memes aside; are Brian Herbert's Dune books really that bad?
Yes. You'll rarely find someone who has so rarely missed the point of the source material.

>>17738343
> “Ark-of-the-Skies” (Ihrimsû). The great vessel that brought the Inchoroi from the heavens and became the golden heart of Golgotterath. All scholars agree that the Incû-Holoinas was some kind of ship built to sail the sky, that it crashed some time prior to the inscription of the Tusk, but only a rare handful concede the claim that it sailed the Void proper, which is to say, between stars. The most compelling rebuttal of this fanciful notion comes from Ajencis himself, who pointed out that the stars would move relative one another were they not uniformly embedded in a sphere hanging a fixed distance about the sky. Since the relative positioning of the stars is identical in star charts inked from different corners of the World, we can be assured that the Incû-Holoinas “came from someplace distant, but not far away.” This, the Great Kyranean concludes, means the Incû-Holoinas must hail from the Outside and not the stars.

> This disagreement in origins forms the basis of the two different families of speculation on the Incû-Holoinas, with Nonmen and Far Antique Mannish accounts generally insisting it’s a vessel constructed to cross the Void, and with more recent Mannish accounts agreeing that it’s a vessel constructed to escape damnation in the Outside. Where the former accounts hold the occupants to be “aliens,” monstrosities from another World, the latter accounts claim the Inchoroi were in fact ciphrangi—demons, in effect.

> The tremendous advantage of the latter theories turns on their economy, on the fact that they need posit nothing new to explain either the Incû-Holoinas or the Inchoroi. If the Ark were a vessel from another planet, then it had to be constructed by the Inchoroi themselves, when plainly, given its boggling dimensions, only a God could have forged it. Given the evil, rapacious nature of the Inchoroi, the construction is typically attributed to Ajokli. Some even think the Incû-Holoinas comprises two of the fabled Four Horns attributed to the trickster God in the Tusk and elsewhere. Indeed, some Near Antique lays refer to the conspicuously golden vessel as the Halved Crown of Hate.

> Though the question of the origin of the Incû-Holoinas can be assumed to be safely settled, vexing questions abide, not the least of which concerns the actual size of the unholy vessel, and, most notoriously, whether the Consult still inhabits it. Though some promise is to be had in the resolution of the former controversy, Mandate arrogance and delusion promises to render the latter debate an endless mire.

>>17738619
Early Laundry Files was decent.

>>17738816
Don't you mean "confusing"? Stop using words you don't understand.

>>17738880
retard

Psychedelic fantasy reccs?

fantasy apocalypse? or post apocalypse

>>17737045
It blows my mind that there are real human beings who read Bakker. I've never talked to anyone who was a real person who read it. That picture is deeply unsettling, it breaks down the separation between the world of the mind and the world outside. I almost don't believe it is real, it must be doctored in some way.

>>17738896
Now it's both capitalization and punctuation, I guess you've outdone yourself.

>>17738921
Or sci fi. Either

>>17738925
The Darkness That Comes Before, by Dr. Bakker.

>>17738942
im not into sodomites or cuckoldry

>>17738946
Maybe you're into sodomite cuckolds, you never know until you try Bakker's forbidden fruit.

>>17738942
>Dr. Bakker
>Dr.
anon... i

Why are cucks trying to claim Bakker?
Cuckoldry is not even once portrayed as something good in the books. Unless you are the one doing the cucking.

>>17738928
The girl in the pic is a mentally ill rape survivor, she said so herself.

>>17738974
why is the devilperson tired

>>17739007
she's mentally alright, but that's no girl

>>17739019
Millennia of rape is tiring for the soul

>>17736871
China Mountain Zhang - Maureen F. McHugh (1992)
This novel has a central narrative that alternates with one-off perspectives which present a wider sense of what there is, which is to say it's a mosaic novel. This doesn't have a plot as would be expected of a work of science fiction. It's much more a literary character study than anything else. Although I've seen this described as being cyberpunk, I believe many would find that to be a questionable assertion at best, because if it is, it's a fully deromanticized and staid interpretation. Maybe this excerpt sufficed for many to consider it as being cyberpunk: “Government is big, we are small. We are only free when we slip through the cracks.”
This is the life story of an average guy who can pass for a member of the majority culture but doesn't feel as if he's a part of it at all and isn't interested in it aside from the privilege that comes with it. Life isn't easy for a gay man living in the Socialist Union of American States, even though are far worse places to be than Brooklyn, such as China, where homosexuality is punishable by death. In our world China legalized homosexuality in 1997. The protagonist has gay romances and sex, the former is described though the latter isn't. Nothing about who he is or what he does particularly matters in terms of trying to convince the reader the one way or the other about anything.
This is world where the US Communist party won The Second American Revolution and China is the sole world power. Following this was the Cleansing Winds Campaign, an ideological purity spiral, which in some cases may well have been a circular firing squad. This is latter considered to have been an embarrassing overreaction. Overall though there's scant worldbuilding until the end where it's all provided in an infodump from a literal lecture. I would have preferred the information to have been provided throughout the story rather than just before it's ended. The secondary perspectives provide more information and have a tenuous connection to the primary narrative. They would've been far better served as a second novel of only short fiction stories that took place in the same world.
The author, McHugh, did well with her characters and their lives, but fell short in every other aspect in my estimation. The main problem to me is the absence of an overall vision for the story and lack of commitment to anything in particular. If this were a fix-up novel that would be understandable, though still not acceptable. It's unfortunate because if this were better structured and executed, I would have rated it much more highly. I will eventually try reading other works by her. In terms of other works, a moderately similar book to this one's style would be Station Eleven, which I enjoyed somewhat more.
Rating: 3.5/5

>>17739007
Oh, was that a tripfag? I didn't know it has a history.
I assumed it was a one off post.

I've never read any of reviewanon's posts.

>>17739042
There's nothing wrong with that.

>>17738974
Maybe he can start calling himself a doctor for his great accomplishment, similar to other famous historical figures such as Dr. Oetker, maker of frozen pizzas.

>>17739029
>trannies
>mentally alright
Anon, I...

>>17739035
>Female author
Pass.

FS edition of BOTNS just reached the US today. Just a few more days until I'm forced to read it once more by the spectre of the walrus.

>>17739075
It's Women's History Month, so you'll be seeing several more this month, probably. The previous one was as well. So go whims.

Any books with great world building and a healthy fanbase to have fun discussions and oc?

>>17738132
there were some peasant revolts against the king in the UK, historical fact

>>17739019
The humans won’t let him escape damnation

>>17739104
Any fanbase of significantly large size inevitably becomes toxic and only fun for those singularly devoted to it.

I STAND
WHERE MY BROTHER STOOD

>>17739104
Bakker's of course, literally here in /bakgen/

>>17739104
Unironically the work of Brandon Sanderson.

>>17739068
You sure that's a tranny? Fuck... if true, this website has successfully made me gay.

>>17739134
>Bakkerfans
>mentally healthy
Anon, I...

>>17739150
>being this new

dude it's a meme to say any pic of a girl is a tranny to make people feel bad and doubt themselves

>>17739166
they sure look like hormonated titties tho

>>17738728
I'm almost halfway done with a draft. I wrote a full chapter a day for the past two days, which is nice, though I really feel like I should be able to handle two chapters in a day, since I'm keeping them around 2500 words. I'm considering whether or not I should cut out some of the adventuring I have that doesn't take the protagonist straight into the direction of the antagonist. I still plan to finish this book but I think it's making me realize that writing for a younger audience is not actually for me. Whenever I feel that I'm writing something meaningful, as I did with my chapter yesterday, or the sort of fun that does not swiftly deliver the protagonist to the antagonist, as in a few chapters I had planned, I'm forced to pull back and remind myself that a kid's attention is harder to keep than that. I think for my next story, assuming this one is not so sufficiently marketable that it demands a sequel, will be a very stylized cyberpunk story with the devil as a central character.

>>17739180
lol virgin

>>17739202
ok sandercuck btw
>ywnbaw

>>17739166
It's also a meme to gaslight the anon into thinking it actually wasn't.

>>17739180
>knowing what tranny "tits" look like
back to >>>/lgbt/ with you, tranny

HOW
I HATE
THIS THREAD.

>>17739249
>implying they don't get spammed everywhere for attention like itt
kys newfag redditor, back to r/sanderson with you

>>17739104
Scott R. R. Sanderson

>thecla
>the claw
Fuck you Gene

>>17739915
new lore being discovered every year

>>17738798
I have just googled her because i was suddenly afraid she might turn out to be a nigger. She wasnt, thank god, but she won the fucking Hugo Award for that shit in two, TWO, consecutive years? Dear god

The only good thing Sanderson has written.

Is the No-God supposed to be a bad guy or a good guy?

>want to write like Frank Herbert
>end up being like Briain instead
Wish I wasn't shit

>>17740279
He's not a guy, a no-guy

>>17740279
He is supposed to be so ugly that only a mommy could love him

I recently listened to the audiobook of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep and I really enjoyed the dystopian futuristic world that Phillip K. Dick envisioned, especially since it doesn't resemble the modern world at all.
Anything with a similar feel to it?

>>17739007
No one ever claimed that.

>Well met, Esmi...

guys, I've got to say, I'm starting to feel bad for Martin, Rothfus and Butcher

>>17741198
Why? Because they are wealthy enough not to have to write anymore?

>>17741219
Because speaking as a writer who is experiencing it, living past the point where you've creatively crashed and are unable to recover from it (okay, maybe this doesn't apply to butcher) is like being an olympic sprinter who got paralyzed from the waist down, except instead of understanding your fans say you're a lazy sack of shit for not getting up from your wheelchair, and the people who are sympathetic to you, including medical professionals only say shit like "have you tried CBD oil? I've heard it works wonders"

>>17741281
I thought they were so trite that it can't possibly be a creative writer's block keeping them from writing more.

>>17738728
I will never be a writer.

Feels bad.

>>17741281
>Because speaking as a writer who is experiencing it, living past the point where you've creatively crashed and are unable to recover from it
Bakker? My Lord, is that you?

>>17738728

>two and a half years

my career is over anon. It never even really began.

I've done everything in my power to try to keep writing without the spark of creativity but I'm so hopelessly inferior to the real writer trapped in my brain that I legitimately, unironically want to kill myself rather than have to keep living like this. They only reason I haven't is because my mom would be sad, and I still have a toxic sliver of hope that it might come back one day

>>17738728
>Writers and aspiring writers of /sffg/, how are your novels coming along?
my novel is coming along fine, and I occasionally post updates on /wg/. Sometimes, I also write second-person stories for fun.

depressing thread

>>17741435
>Animefag
>posting on /wg/
Jesus fuck, so it’s true then? Almost all the writing updates on /wg/ are done by animefags.

>>17741516
Not even the people writing anime are immune. I'm basically writing anime and have determined my average number of words per day are only a little over 170

my pace used to be 1000 words a day, and that was considered low by every serious writer I spoke to. I'm down to 17% of what used to be considered bad.

I REALLY want to die. I really, REALLY do

>>17738728
Im awful at writing, i couldnt even do writing assignments in school when i was a youngfag.

Gib link or PDF to Small Angry Planet. It doesn't sound like shit and I want to check it out.

>>17741617
>>>lit/17557914

>>17741617
>>17740307

If you had to magically switch penises with any sff-author, who would you pick?

>>17741542
Sounds like you're burned out and you need to take a small break, maybe a week or two, before resuming to write again.

>>17741617
it is 100% shit, you will regret having checked it out.

>>17741697
>past present tense
this is fine for shit like interactive fiction or text games, you don't do this for novels.

>>17741709
Just trying to hone my skills in it before I try and make an interactive fiction or text games.

>>17741697
anon, I've tried taking a break! I've tried it multiple times! it. does. not. work.

and no, don't say give up being a writer either because that's not an option. I care about it too much

>>17741743
Give up in being a writer. Don't spend like decades of your life away in a pursuit you're not good in.

>>17741753
i just said that's not an option. are you fucking blind you fucking retard?

>>17741763
Anon, just give up, don't bang your head on a brickwall and just accept it.

>wtf, I suck and want to improve, but I cannot improve, also stopping is not an option

>>17741776
anon, here's the situation: My writing? It's not my life purpose. My real life purpose is living the mental state that just happens to let me write better on top of improving every other aspect of my pathetic little existence.

The fact that I can't write isn't the problem, its a symptom of a much bigger problem that the entire value of my life depends on. if I fix it, my writing will magically get better. If I don't, I'll spend every waking moment of my existence craving death until finally the craving overwhelms me and I fucking go through with it.

that is my fucking life

>>17738288
High fantasy lore with low fantasy narrative.

>>17741763
You don't write, but you call yourself a writer, because it's impossible for you to quit writing, even though you already don't write.

Right.

>>17741816
your problem is that you are trying to live a paradox. your real purpose is NOT living the mental state that allows you to write, your real purpose is beyond your choosing. your GOAL is to be a writer, but your refusal to prioritize your nature and its basic dopaminergic necessities is disabling you. your problem is NOT that you cannot write, it is that you cannot order your priorities and grow up.

Just being random, but how would you all feel about Cradle getting an anime or a video game?

Like wouldn't Cradle be amazing in the Style of Avatar?

>>17741854
i am writing, painfully slowly and badly

>>17741863
anon. I've tried being normal. I've tried doing things the old fashion way and have been trying for years and years. I can DO it, but the speed and quality are so inferior that i resent being alive

>>17741904
>anon. I've tried being normal. I've tried doing things the old fashion way and have been trying for years and years. I can DO it, but the speed and quality are so inferior that i resent being alive
alright, well, keep "Holden" on then, ah hah, hah, hah..

>>17741867
this isnt /YA/

>>17741919
You're talking to George R. R. Martin, show some respect.

fuck it. i'm just going to drink alll the coffee in my fridge, leave my sun lamp on and stay up all night. i need to exhaust every option completely

>>17741921
I've come to the realization that all fantasy is YA. Fuck what everyone else says. There is no way fantasy can distinguish itself from YA unless it sufficiently kills off the fantasy aspects for more mature content. Which nothing classified as "fantasy" has ever done.

>>17741816
You're that faggot who keeps shitting up /wg/. Follow the advice those anons said and kill yourself.

>>17741955
B-but The Second Apothecary is full of black and redpills for mature people kike me

>>17741867
Perhaps, but I wouldn't care because I already read the books and don't see what a bad adaptation could add to my enjoyment.

>>17742006
If you didn't write that kike on purpose, then it's really telling that you did is subconsciously. Or if it was autocorrect, then it's still telling. And if you did it on purpose, then dear god...

>>17742026
I did it unintentionally, noticed it and didn't correct it because I thought it was funny.

>>17742022
The visuals would be amazing. And the fight scenes would be exciting.

>>17738288
grimfart

>>17742040
>lindon loses for the fifteen time
>this sniveling rat apologizes

>>17742049
That's what makes Lindon relatable and funny.
Half the time Lindon is using politeness as a form of insult.

Besides, Lindon wins more than he loses. He just wins in unconventional ways. Sorry he's not Kid Goku who is just inexplicably strong and destroys everything without trying.

Lindon spends the first book getting win after win. He kills someone a level higher than him in a "fair" 1 on 1 fight.

>>17742072
>PDF
No, just because you want it in that format.

>>17742072
It is interesting to note that this is the only World Martial Arts Tournament Goku ever won, despite his participation in several before and after. Goku has also died several times and lost many times. That's a bad comparison.

>>17742096
I think you missed, anon.

>>17742049
>lindon tries to be an arrogant cultivator
>walks in on yerin with her tits out
It’s solid anime comedy

>>17742040
>The visuals would be amazing. And the fight scenes would be exciting.
I don't know. I think I couldn't bear to watch an adaption of the first few novels. I actually don't even feel like re-reading them and I am incredibly bored.

>>17742110
I didn't even realize what my screencap was from. I'm not that much into Dragonball. Watched it like once through when it aired on Toonami back in the day. It was fun, but I remember it being a running gag that Goku would effortless beat everyone he encountered. Sometimes not even trying. Just being overly strong.

But ok, if Goku has lost fights before, that's all well and good. But he's still that prodigy archetype to struggles very little in order to achieve what he wants. Completely unlike Lindon who has to put a ton of effort into everything.
And Lindon still wins a lot.
He won the fruit from the tree remnant. He won against the copper kids in that festival. He won against the Patriarch's son by using the wasp remnants. He won the trip up to the school by tricking the kid into giving him a ride. He bamboozled that one angry copper with the brick throwing power. He later ended up killing the guy. He successfully split his core avoiding death, and somehow defeated that one jade.(I forgot how exactly, but I vaguely remember the jade elder falling and dying on the rocks?)

The idea that Lindon just goes around losing is completely baseless.

>>17741424
>the real writer trapped in my brain
How do you know there is one?

>>17742216
Stop humoring the minor

>>17742216
>How do you know there is one?
I sometimes get more than 1 (you) that must mean something, rigth? RIGHT?

>>17742216
because I've seen him flourish only to go back in the cage.

the more work I'm doing to find a solution, the more certain I am that suicide is the only cure

>>17742251
At least publish one thing before you kill yourself so we can pretend it's an underappreciated masterpiece by a supreme gentleman who deserved better.

>>17742251
Probably just delusions of grandeur, desu

>>17742251
well, we keep telling you...
but you go on procrastinating and shitting up the thread instead

>>17742281
Anons keep telling him to go to therapy.

>>17741542
You're not an animefag, but one of the many anti-animefag that plagues /wg/ with trivial bullshit.

>Bakker? Let me tell you about Bakker, the Aspect-Author, holed up in a cuckshed somewhere in the Canadian countryside, or so I've been told, blissfully unaware that he has left us orphans to an unconcluded serie. I fantasize about reaching out to him, to teach him the error of his ways. I am a bear, eight feet tall standing up and six hundred pounds of weight, and even among bears, I am big. I am so overflowing with testosterone I could spit in a rabbit's mouth and turn it into a raccoon.
>Scott will be bent down upon the coffee table of his cuckshed in no time, his pants savagely torn off, his bottom inviting. His ass cheeks would be parted, a slight aroma of shit wafting up. I've had much worse and he wasn't expecting his colon to be rammed that day; I would proceed to do just that with my paws pressing on the nape of his neck, holding him down. And as I finished, nearing ecstasy, I would lower myself on his back and press my snout next to his ear, blowing warm air on his cheek.
>"I expect the No-God to be finished by the end of the month, but right now you can clean the shit from the tip of my dick with your tongue and call me Cnaïur."
Waves of pleasure will ripple through our bodies as we finally achieved orgasm in unison.

>>17738643
If you really want to put yourself through it and find out how the story continues after the massive cliffhanger (but also appropriate ending point) that was Chapterhouse, read Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune. The rest don't even bother unless you're a lore fag and want to iron out the creases in your brain

>>17742274
underrated post

Rate this Reading List for the class I took:
>Fellowship of the Ring
>Tolkien, "On Fairy Stories"
>Poul Anderson, "On Thud and Blunder"
>A Wizard of Earthsea
>Tigana
>The Iron Dragon's Daughter (Swanwick)
>Akata Warrior + Who Fears Death (Okorafor)
>Stone Girl's Story + Race the Sands (Durst)
>Trail of Lightning (Roanhorse)

>>17742763
>The Iron Dragon's Daughter (Swanwick)
Good book. I read this in middle school and it blew my mind. Can’t believe nobody ever mentions it in this thread. It’s a pretty innovative and /lit/erate book as far as fantasy goes.

>>17742809
I tried reading it during the semester but I got turned off by all the weirdly sexual interactions between Jane and her teachers. Should I give it another shot?

>>17742763
A bit narrow in scope.

>>17742809

>>17738728
>Writers and aspiring writers of /sffg/, how are your novels coming along?
It's coming good, although I'm beginning to have some concerns. The only works of fantasy or science fiction that I've ever read are The Hobbit and Out of the Silent Planet; when it comes to modern fantasy, I've never read any of the big names: Sanderson, Rothfuss, Martin, etc., and I don't plan on it any time soon. Most of the books I read are literary fiction, and when I'm not reading that I read historical books to help inspire me for my own fantasy works. I'm not saying this in a pretentious way, this is not something I'm proud of. I feel like I should be more familiar with the fantasy genre because that's what I'm writing, but I have no interest in reading fantasy books. What should I do?

Just finished this
didn't love it but it was entertaining
are the other books in the series better?

>>17742932
That’s pretty based anon. It means your writing will be free of the endless derivative stock tropes that dominate the genre, and therefore original. Would enjoy reading a passage if you’d care to post here.

I finished a first draft. Edited it some. The ending slaps. The begining is nice. The mid game kinda drags. But I am curious what should I do here on out. Getting beta reads? Harassing an editor? Throwing it at agents? :I

>>17742970
>But I am curious what should I do here on out
the best advice I can give you is to throw the manuscript in a drawer (read: put it away somewhere, don't open the file, etc.,) and don't think about it, don't touch it, completely forget is exists for maybe a week or two. In the meantime, read pic rel, read all of it. When a week has passed and you're ready to read through the draft with fresh eyes, edit the shit out of your manuscript and write the second draft. Rinse and repeat until it's spotless

>>17742985
It's already been sitting a while. I don't know how comfterable I feel writing a take two. I am not sure what I would do with it. With basically dispassionate descriptive prose. It just doesn't sit well with me. I don't mind rewrites. But I don't know. It's dull. Like I could pump one out. And what happens if it isn't so much better? Or if it's an entirely different novel. What do I do then when I can't say one is better than another, or if they are basically the same novel with just a variability in prose?

The rewrite thing always confuses me.

>>17737506
Every woman he writes is a bitchy 12 year old, and his prose is geared towards the same

>>17737092
>violent white nationalist extremists.
That's called being white.

>>17738921
>>17738934
Nine Princes in Amber

> You know nothing of shitposting. Shitposting is dark. Black as pitch. It is not a God. It does not laugh or weep. It rewards neither effort nor intelligence. It is not a trial of souls, nor the measure of wills. Even less is it a tool, a means to some womanish end. It is merely the place where the cruel retardation of anons meet the hollow bones of newfags, and break them.

>>17743128
Is that the first tenet of the metagnosis?

>>17742763
Was it just a generic fantasy literature course? If so, you should have read the entire LOTR and probably some stuff from the 19th century like Princess and the Goblin. Hard to leave out any Arthurian stuff too.

>>17742932
Well, why are you writing fantasy when you haven't read any fantasy?

>>17743231
Just a class on worldbuilding

>>17743282
Should have read the Silmarillion then.

>>17743315
isn't it worldbuilding itself more of a problem? the amount of time dedicated to basically vacuous irrelevant worlds seems immense. Not to mention much of it is unoriginal and only serves as bloat. I could be wrong, that's just my impression for the most part.

>>17741435
>2nd person
Why?

>>17742970
Write your query and make sure the first 5 pages are real compelling. Check /r/pubtips for query crit.

>>17743492
>Why?
I wanted to have some form of experience in all three points of views. So, I also tend to write in second person just for fun. /wg/ isn't that helpful since it kind of feels like I'm the one doing any writing in the thread. Just full of shitposts, blogposts, people asking questions they were taught in 3rd grade, etc, etc.

>>17743555
Nobody posts writing there except the RR trash because there's little point in showing off whatever chapter in the middle of the novel you're writing, and the middle is like 90% of it. Most people there aren't writing for the love of beautiful prose alone and so they're not really obsessively seeking comment on that, and too much context would be necessary for anything more substantial.

>>17743354
It's the best example of fantasy worldbuilding I can think of. Tolkien did draw inspiration from Scandinavian and Anglo-Saxon myths and literature, but it's not like the Silmarillion is a rip off or anything.

>>17743499
any tips on dealing with the insecurity?

>>17743555
2nd person is just a stupid gimmick. Focus on what actually matters in writing a story rather than something that has no practical application

Just finished Prince of Nothing.
Is the sequel series as good? I really enjoyed it besides the horrific cuckoldry fixation.
What the fuck even was the Thousandfold Thought?

did anyone used to hang out on infinity/scifi/?

I recently made a want to read fantasy/sci-fi list with at least one hundred books. I just finished the first one after reading it for three days. Will I be able to read it all in time? The book I read was 250 pages or so, I think. I only read ebooks.

>>17743661
Write more and better books.

>>17743777
In time for what? Your funeral? Lose some weight and you might make it.

>>17743749
Yes it is.
Try rereading exchange with kellhus and his father. It’s all laid out there.

>>17743789
I will after I get some rest, I'm an hour late for bed already since the last chunk had me totally transfixed.

>>17743778
;_; how many books do I have to write for the fear to go away? it's easy to online, when it's just for 'fun'.

>>17743808
to give you an idea, brandon sanderson wrote like 14 books before he got published. give at least 2 or 3

>>17743872
It's kind of a bummer. But I have a lot of contempt for most ya. But the next project I have plotted is basically a standard ya. But I have no idea who would ever read a grim dark novel that turns into a tragic romance by the end. It's something I would read. But I am way out of tune.

>finish reading book of the short sun
>curious what others though of it
>first result on google is a reddit thread with a bunch of people spewing the most retarded and inane opinions and "conjectures" imaginable trying to drown out everyone else for upvotes
it's actually astounding how dumb some of these "people" are

>>17738643
the continuations ones?
yes, avoid
The far-history prequel ones (butlerian jihad saga, great houses)?
I liked them (in audiobook form).
Direct prequels?
I couldn't be bothered with them.

>>17743673
Yeah, but I get some commissions to do second person stories.

>>17743749
yes


TTT/probablity trance are like the same thing, predicting the future through variables

What's some good fantasy with demons, demon protagonist, or a main character that has ties to demons.

I really like demons and there's not a lot of demon fantasy

>>17744302
prince of nothing

>>17744302
bakker

>>17744302
Do you mind children's books?

>>17743082
>geared towards the same
He's the greatest first draft publisher of our generation. Though he stopped shitting out books like he used to.

>>17738676
Harry Potter

>>17739104
Malazan.

>>17739104
Discworld

>>17742941
I loved it.
Lirael is the best one. It's a bit more boarding school and a little less adventure, but the school has a magic library and the protagonist has a heart warming relationship with her pet dog.
Abhorsen is probably the continuation you are hoping for, it's pretty good but I wouldn't say it was better than Sabriel.
Clariel is prequel world building. Avoid reading about it.
I haven't read Golden Hand.

I've written down more ideas than I can count but havent actually started anything. I honestly cant decide if i want to write a book, screenplay or comic.

Different ideas sort of lean towards different thngs but i think i need to just pick one and work on it until i get good.

No idea how to decide though.

>>17743231
The Crystal Cave left me surprisingly burnt out on Arthurian retellings.
Shit's getting tired.

>>17743673
It's useful for depicting a woman falling in love.

>>17744056
I found it quite underwhelming.
The world building was nothing special, and it took its fucking time getting back onto the main quest.

The comments I read were along the lines of it's intentionally written to not be understood on first or second pass, and only after thorough study do you discover inane shit like I-thought-was-fantasy-creature is actually sci-fi-creature; Wolfe is genius. Or they find out at the end that the narration is unreliable, as if that wasn't immediately apparent when the narrator claimed a photographic memory.

But who cares, it's not any more interesting either way.

>>17744302
The Warded Man.

>>17739035
This sounds awful

>>17745072
I remember this book only as masturbatory material for Islam
The ending was retarded too

>>17744302
Bakker

Anyone have the PDFs of the Expanse? I read Leviathan Wakes and liked it - it was nice to find something readable past 2010, so now I want more - but I don't want to pay the publisher and there's no option to pay the author.

>>17745069
Are you referring to New Sun? The guy you replied to was discussing short sun. Either way you’re a brainlet

>>17745911
Why PDF?

>>17745069
>took its fucking time getting back to the main quest
that's hardly the point of the book. I can see why you wouldn't like it if that was all you were trying to get out of it. it's like two books of getting to Thrax and then immediately deciding to fuck off and give the claw back. and then after that Severian kinda just bumbles around until the plot finds him again and makes him the most important person ever. I remember feeling really exasperated after Severian's meeting with Typhon because that's the 4th time that Sword established something really interesting and then immediately dropped it. "What happened to the fucking plot?" I said out loud to myself. you have to enjoy all the little detours along the way to enjoy the book.

Fuck. E William Brown

>>17746067
You're talking to a retard who I don't even think finished Claw and thought they were like Redwall or some shit where he could just read one and be satisfied
Since that didn't happen he's bitched no less than 10 times here about how his cellphone-screen-smoothed brain did not like it and how it's a bad book and how he doesn't understand why people like it and etc.

>>17738798
Same, some neat ideas (I liked the plants that grow under your skin and glow) but I gave up eventually

>>17738728

Currently writing my second chapter. I have the entire story outline planned out, just writing them individual chapters as of now. First chapters are very perplexing to get finished, ugh.

>>17739915

I see you’ve uncovered yet another layer of mystery of Wolfe’s cryptic writing. You see,dear sir, Mr. Wolfe learnt such techniques by reading his predecessor, HP Lovecraft and his cleverly made Outer God of demonitization, Shub-NIGGURath.

>>17744302
Bartimaeus, by Jonathan stroud

>>17746624
>First chapters are very perplexing to get finished, ugh
Heh
Good luck with chapter 15 buddy

Just finished rereading TDTCB for the discord read. How is the worldbuilding so hypnotic? There are all these little details of this extremely lived-in setting that just make it pop in a way that puts every contemporaneous second world fantasy to shame. The sights, sounds, and smells of Sumna, Momemn, and the people that move through them are perfectly realized. I know worldbuilding is the art of creating the illusion of depth, but at every turn it seems like there is so much there. Maybe it's a product of working on the setting for 20 years between a teenage D&D campaign and the first book coming out.

>>17745202
Yes, this would certainly be awful for those who thought they would be getting an action thriller cyberpunk and wouldn't accept anything other than that.

>>17746874
Shut up

>>17738728
15,000 words down, 130,000 to go lol, most of it is roughly plotted out but I keep getting ideas for other shit that could happen to these characters in sequels and prequels that I have to ignore (or channel into characterization in the case of prequel stuff) and shut down the itch to write other stories for now.

>>17746624
How many words per chapter are you writing? My first two had about 6,000 each, but the third looks like it might be in the 4-5k range, and I have about 24 significant beats that each merits a chapter of some length.

>>17746912
Not him but don't worry about chapter length. Mine are 2500 at most but 4-6k is a very standard length for fantasy novels. Also I hope you don't plan on publishing traditionally as they won't take a 150k debut.

>>17747004
It's not so much a worry, just curiosity. Is the 90-110k word count more standard for a debut even in fantasy? I see e.g. The Blade Itself 191k, Elantris 201k, Name of the Wind 250k. If this project advances to the point where publishing becomes more than a daydream it will go through multiple rounds of revision before anyone in the industry sees it, and if that becomes a real possibility I will have no sentimental issue with cutting it down massively.

>>17738643
The only Post-Frank "sequel" worth reading is Road to Dune

>>17747105
Name of the Wind came in on the back of scientology and was barely a debut. Abercrombie went with Gollancz and they're more accepting of that sort of thing than most, so there's still some hope but you will have a hard time getting representation, as expressed by pic related.

“I’m fashioning generals to conquer Golgotterath … to overthrow wicked heights

>>17747167
>Pat Rothfuss Scientology connection
Deep diving on this now lol

>>17744830
He's not the greatest anything. He's a terrible writer

name an author who ruined a series worse than this.

>>17747708
>the dark tower
What's the series that I saw get mentioned here once which is supposed to be the same but better?

>>17745069
>>17746067
short sun is a different series by wolfe m8
but if you thought the dumb reddit theories new sun were bad, their takes on short sun (and long sun) are even more retarded.

>>17747708
i liked the movie

>>17747708
Brian Herbert.

>>17745284
He quickly becomes the series antagonist, and the books become quite critical of the priesthood as they use their faith to mask terrible moral decisions, and the shafted protagonist becomes even more heretical (not that he was ever Islamic).
Which ending was bad? the series ending of lets journey to defeat the big bad guy? That was exactly what you would expect.

>>17746067
There's little I hate more than a false hook.
There were too many diversions, and they weren't all good.

>>17746386
>Read the sequel of a bad book
You're the brainlet.
Interesting to hear that other people have the same complaint though.

>>17748040
Killing the music boy in a meaningless cliffhanger death.
The dumb tranny daughter.
The everything we’ve done in the last three books is meaningless so let’s sneak in the back door during the final book.

>>17747355
He's a mediocre writer. My point was about him putting out unpolished material.

>>17748085
They could have killed off a lot more people, and probably should have.
Good point.
It was always about the demons. Or did you want it to become a crusades novel? I woulda been okay with that as an extra book or two, especially if they all got wrecked by demons in the meantime.

>>17748146
It should have been one or the other. Focus on the demons or focus on the crusade. The way it was structured made the two middle books feel pointless and wasted.

>>17747795
>Ayo Flagg
>Ye I'm talkna you dawg
>You dun skrrt across dat desert, but I'mma catch yo ass
>Apotheosis n shiet

>>17748067
>Interesting to hear that other people have the same complaint though.
They don't

>>17748067
>too many diversions
I'dd say you are complaining about the wrong things.
But that's why the book is divisive, not for everyone, etc .

Besides, it's called being "picaresque". Lmao-

is The Black Company series any good?
It's on the wiki and I really need a new series to listen to at work

>>17748666
Yes, easy read that starts slow but gets faster and better.

>>17748666
It's kind of alright. A bit of Seinfeld syndrome there because more modern series do the same kind of thing better, but Black Company was a trend setter and gets points for doing it first (or at least before it was popular).
The first book is the best so read that, you don't have to commit to the entire series.

>>17748672
>>17748676
thank you, sounds perfect for me since I'm a complete noob when it comes to fantasy series

>>17748676
I have never watched a show I enjoyed more than Seinfeld

>>17748724
I've never watched a show in enjoyed less.

>>17737045
fuck off tranny. bakker is garbage.

Is The Unholy Consult secretly a comedy? It's just so over the top, it's almost like a work of auto-satire. I laughed out loud at some of the craziest stuff, like when Proyas eats that guy's face while humping holes in his radiation-festering body. It's just too crazy to be serious, can't you see Scott writing this with a huge grin on his face?

>>17748750
He's a closet furry who trolls his fans by writing retarded shit and then shills it on /lit/ in his spare time.

>>17748758
>closet furry
this is the first time i'm hearing this

First draft!

>>17748984

>>17748984
What is it about?

>>17748758
>>17748768
His world is full of hairless humanoids. Doubt.

>>17749021
It's about a man who can make wormholes, and he gets assigned an apprentice to try to figure out how he does it, and they explore the reach of humanity in 9861.

>>17738921
Planning on writing a psychedelic doom metal fantasy book series, so I recommend that in the future. It might be shit though since I have no actual writing experience.

>>17738921
Math textbooks

reading books made me think about things different

Just got myself a new Bakker FunkoPop to complete my Bakker Collection. So glad that /lit/ introduced me to Bakker! Started growing my hair out to look like Bakker.

>>17749246
>posting discord memes

>>17749246
i wish there was a bakker funkopop

>>17749064
what does that have to do with bread?

>>17749347
I beg you, please post an invite.

>>17749246
>making this post

>>17749399
This is a bad method of self-promotion.

>>17749399
There are multiple invites in the OP.

>>17744852
The chain of dogs is one of the greatest bits of writing in literature

>>17749384
oh that's actually a good point, the story is framed around food, with planets that are designated and terraformed for specific crops. There's a new candidate that Earth scouts out to become a 'breadworld' which is the colloquial name for planets used to grow crops. It's huge and has great stats basically, and then a rival faction of humans which are basically a colonial organism with a flesh dyson-sphere and living ships with enamel hulls wants it also. So there's a sort of cold war thing going on over this planet which they call 'Breadworld Omega', in the mean time though the characters eat a lot of food and see interesting things.

I had more AR points back when I was in school than any of you nerds.

>>17749926
based anna karenina chad

Any good fantasy with rape?

>>17749926
bullshit i graduated top of my class in AR points with over 300 confirmed book readings, you're fucking dead kiddo

>>17750205
B

>>17750205
Thomas Covenant

>>17750205
BOTNS

>>17750573
you can't rape robots

>>17750581
I've never really thought much about the mirror aspect of Jonas and Jolenta being android and cyborg. But Jolenta was just a hypnotized human, as far as I know.

>>17749246
damn I wish there were actual Bakker funkos because I know you consoomers would buy that shit up

Can an anon please sell me on Bakker? I haven't been in one of these threads for months and I have no idea why everyone is obsessed with him all of a sudden

>>17750876
It's a meme

>>17750876
He's A.) a meme, and B.) being shilled relentlessly on purpose, to dupe poor innocent idiots like me and you into reading his shitty books

>>17750205
You're not even trying

>>17750876
he's the greatest fantasy writer since tolkien. his books are gripping and hypnotic, strange, terrifying and thought provoking. ignore the haters and read his work, you'll probably enjoy them unless you're a squeamish twerp.

>>17747708
Didn’t he actually write himself into the sorry? I read the first book and thought it was meh. Didn’t bother with any others.

>>17748666
No it’s terrible

>>17750889
>>17750884
these guys are troubled

>>17750930
Yes, at one point they have to go into the real world and save Stephen King from getting into his car accident that actually happened IRL.

I know there's more but can Elric of Melniboné be read as a standalone?

>>17750876
I finished his first trilogy yesterday so I can give some insight into why he's so popular here.
>his magic systems are extremely cool but abstract enough that nothing that happens is too abstract
>one of the main characters being a Mary Sue monk is an enormous deal and the ramifications of it affect every character in massive ways
>the world is far enough removed from reality to not be Generic Pseudo-Medieval, but realistic enough to feel grounded
>his philosophy is an interesting take on determinism
>his prose is fantastic, things like the Fifth Battle of Mengedda are absolutely spellbinding with how dramatically they're written
>he fucking hates women and clearly has at least some degree of a cuck fetish, both enhancing the memeable attributes

>>17744302
berserk
bakker, supposedly, although dont expect any in the first book

>>17749504
*boring
sorry anon you almost said malazan was good

Is there anything else that'll scratch my autistic desire for intricate systems like Sanderson? I love basically reading encyclopedia entries every chapter.
Yes, I'm a virgin

>>17751057
>>he fucking hates women and clearly has at least some degree of a cuck fetish
Hmm tempting

>>17738728
Bad bad. I'm a """"hard"""" magic autismo but I'm writing psuedo cosmic horror so the magic has to stay nebulous and hard to define. But it's also like, noir? And a revenge tale? And an Action Thriller with a government agent as the protag? And somehow still boring?
Writing is revising ig

>>17738880
This must be a low point for you.

Fantasy or science fiction with aeroplanes and the like, and preferably sky-pirates?

>>17751163
Final Fantasy

>>17751163
Any fantasy book?

>>17736914
What is that?

>>17751035
yes

where in bakker does the phrase "does it trouble you" even occur

>>17751298
The great ordeal

>>17751144

>>17751342
need to copy paste this except as a 5 star

>>17751342
"Believe in meritocracy?"
Why, because it shows of the difference in ability between people that merely gained their position through birthright and people that is fit to hold it?
Like, what the fuck. I don't think this retard gets the logical conclusion of his line of thinking.

>>17751477
>Why, because it shows of the difference in ability between people that merely gained their position through birthright and people that is fit to hold it?
wtf does this word salad even mean

New thread
>>17751175

>>17749504
It's my least favourite part of Malazan. For that matter long treks through the desert are my least favourite part any fiction that contains one.

>>17751477
Non Marxist detected.
Meritocracy is anathema to equality of outcome.
It is unequitable to choose based upon genetics, particularly as it pertains to intelligence or interest.
An expansion upon the current military system where recognition / pay is primarily based upon seniority, followed by educational gating (in a society with free education of course) is what it will take to bring about the utopia.