/lit/ - Literature

>>17702887
>SINCE YOU AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE EVERYTHING THAT ISNT IN YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE ANYWAYS???
monolingual detected. your opinion is worthless

>>17702887
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS JUST READING THE TRANSLATION SINCE YOUAUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE EVERYTHING THAT ISNT IN YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE ANYWAYS???
But it doesn't work like that.

>>17702887
seething monolingual. kys

>>17702887
You don't translate when you speak the language properly. I feel like it's always the same person making those posts. Just learn a damn language and get over your inferiority complex.

>>17702913
>JUST LEARN EVERY SINGLE LANGUAGE BRO, ITS NOT HARD.

>>17702936
Just try one so you don't feel the need to keep making those posts.

>>17702896
>>17702903
>>17702913
but this is how almost everyone learns Latin/Greek, because nobody ever actually learns them as real languages, just as tools for reading. I guarantee most people on this board claiming to read Latin/Greek are translating in their head as they read.

>>17702887
>YOU AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE EVERYTHING THAT ISNT IN YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE
Ah, no....

>>17702896
>>17702903
>>17702913
I think it differentiates from person to person. I know four languages, but I always 'think' in English. For another example, I had a German friend in college who spoke both languages fluently, but English was her second language and she always 'thought' in German. My grandparents don't seem to have this issue though, they just think in whatever language they are currently situated in.

>>17702887
Very based post

>>17702887
>SINCE YOU AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE EVERYTHING THAT ISNT IN YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE

You don't. Learn a language and stop coping.

>>17702953
>I guarantee most people on this board claiming to read Latin/Greek are translating in their head as they read.

People who can actually read Virgil don't do that. That's very beginner

>>17702953
I am greek so no, have that going for me at least

>>17702953
I don't mentally translate anymore with Latin except with occasionally difficult passages where it helps with my comprehension. Is it so hard to believe? They're just languages after all.

>>17702936
Learn some language. The rest of the world can do that, you can too.

>>17702953
That's way you should use LLPSI and not Wheelock or some other grammar-translation shit. And listen a lot. Learning Latin as a living language is 100% doable with the internet.

>>17702970
>People who can actually read Virgil don't do that
but they do, even if they don't view it as translating, English (or their native language's) words for the words they read are popping into their head as they read. The only way you can avoid this is by either A) achieving a level of fluency in the language not possible without being immersed in a Latin/Greek-speaking environment, or B) learn entirely through something like LLPSI, which also not many people do relative to other methods.
>>17702975
that's entirely irrelevant, ancient Greek is a different language. Please stop trying to make yourself relevant
>>17702976
>Is it so hard to believe?
Yes, I don't believe that there is a distinction in how you handle easy versus hard passages except with regards to your awareness of the translation.
>>17702989
yep, this is the only way to do it, but I don't think most people here actually take the time to immerse themselves

>>17703016
>yep, this is the only way to do it, but I don't think most people here actually take the time to immerse themselves

Yep. It's quite shocking to me how little attention and recognition Latin podcasts receive, considering they're truly the only way to get fluent.

>>17703016
I do know ancient greek tho, I learned them in high school, it's mandatory. Still it would be stupid to read in ancient greek since the meaning is similar and the difficulty higher.

Shit thread but I just came here to say that I love translated haikus.

>>YOU AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE EVERYTHING THAT ISNT IN YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE ANYWAYS???

>>17702953
you should try to move away from that as fast as possible and create a direct reference between word and concept for the other language. Guess what, visual thinkers just can't stop winning

>>YOU AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE EVERYTHING THAT ISNT IN YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE ANYWAYS

>>17703221
ahahahaha that image

>>17703038
any recs? I found the polymathy youtube channel + his latin language channel. I think he mentions a couple podcasts too. do you have ones you like?
>>17703047
>meaning is similar and the difficulty higher
the same can be said of all translations. Reading in modern greek is no less of a translation than english.
>>17703141
my point is, you never move beyond that level if you're just reading. you have to speak and hear a language to develop those direct connections

>>17702887
>YOU AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE EVERYTHING THAT ISNT IN YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE ANYWAYS???
That thought is guaranteed to always make /lit/ seethe, which leads me to believe it's right.

>>17702936
Nobody said this

>>17703249
>which leads me to believe it's right.
ahhahaahah look guys, he is admitting that he is monolingual!

>>17702887
>YOU AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE EVERYTHING THAT ISNT IN YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE ANYWAYS???
every fucking time lmao

>>17703249
>that thought is guaranteed to make /lit/ seethe, therefore it is right
holy based

I like to believe that I can speak english at a pretty much native level and yet I still prefer to read English literature translated, because my mother tongue speaks more directly to me, and no matter how good my English gets, my mother tongue will always be closer to me.
I am pretty sure my english is better than the second language of most anglo bilinguals, and the people complaining about translations are just posing or trying to flex their language skills.

I do watch foreign films and anime with english subtitles though, if that means anything.

>>17702887
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN IT WOULD BE THE SAME AS JUST READING THE TRANSLATION SINCE YOU AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE EVERYTHING THAT ISNT IN YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE ANYWAYS
this is actually a good point. anyone who says otherwise >>17702896 >>17702903
is larping and a spook

>>17703449
this entire post reeks cope. globalization was a mistake and this thread is proof of it.

>>17703249
Psychology 101.

Reality check: that's just how these things work, no need to translate if you know the language well. It's obvious to roughly anybody in the world except anglos.

>>17703240
>Reading in modern greek is no less of a translation than english.
it's almost the same language man, stop talking our of your ass

>>YOU AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE EVERYTHING THAT ISNT IN YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE ANYWAYS

>>17703459
kys monocuck

>>17703478
Why are you typing like this

To post nonsense that you don't even believe.

I bet you're a native English speaker and only speak English (poorly).

You're simply self-loathing brit based as evidenced by your disdain for English.

Fag

>>17703307
>fraggle rock convention
Opinion disregarded.

>>17702887
this is unironically right though

>>17703515
You know this. I know this. Everyone ITT knows this. The only people saying the opposite are native English speakers who hate their language/culture/selves and one third worlder who, surprise surprise, is on an English-language literature board on an American website looking for good boy points from self-loathing english speakers. Pathetic desu

>>YOU AUTOMATICALLY TRANSLATE EVERYTHING THAT ISNT IN YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE ANYWAYS

>>17703503
>bet you're a native English speaker

I'm not. Stop coping and start learning.