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Robin Hanson also debunked Ted's retarded collapse theory.

https://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/01/kaczynskis-collapse-theory.html

>>17695580
>>17695678
stop shilling your article fag

>>17695580
We aren't reading your paper nigga. If you want people to stop admiring Ted then just wait for them to turn 18

>>17695580
When did someone publish a peer-reviewed paper to refute your ideas? The writer deemed him important enough to be read, analysed and refuted.

>>17695580
Why would you waste your time debunking a mentally ill tranny?

>deboonked
yeah I'll take the tranny terrorist over this shit, sorry famalam

>author writes about how worthless academia is
>use academia to "debunk" him

I debunked debunking.

>>17695713
>If you want people to stop admiring Ted then just wait for them to turn 18
kek

DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC

Is he for real?

>>17695910
>SCHIZO TRANNY FUCKING DEMOLISHED WITH PURE LOGIC

>>17695930
>increased birth rates
>good

>>17695910
Average life expectancy and SOL boosts lead to overpopulation. Despite technological advances, the world is bloated by an increasingly resource-demanding population. This requires complex networks of trade and communication alongside huge supply-chains which themselves are more resource-demanding. Eye glasses and painkillers wont matter when overall complexity makes it harder to acquire and produce these goods. Eventually, it will be impossible to hash out resources which in a ~10 billion ppl world means giga-death collapse.

TL: DR Scientists are fucking retarded and we're all fucked.

He got retroactively debunked by a fucking Godard film from the 60s. Its not that hard to debunk Ted. People just like him because they aren't happy with their lives and need something to blame like "muh modern technological society"

>bro like how can there be anything wrong with industrialized society, you have pianos and reading glasses

>>17696044
Yes.

Well that was a waste of 20 minutes.

>>17695910
>smoking meth is bad because...
>ok that's problematic. what about the pleasure you get for that short period of time?

He’s good but he got MK Ultraed to devalue his ideas.

The whole article works under the false assumption that Ted is strictly anti-technology when he is against technology that can ONLY exist on a industrial scale (i.e. cars or phones). He has nothing but praise for technology that could be developed through individual autonomy.

>>17695910
> his views are radical and dangerous
Except they’re not. His acts were radical and dangerous. His views were not radical and dangerous. The fact that someone would suggest that shows just how steeped in rhetoric and the technological myth these people are.

Technology is going no where. It literally doesn't matter if he was right or not

>>17695580
The author

>>17696180
I don’t know how you can think that.

>>17695910
>there's little reason to believe technological progress is slowing down
That's not exactly correct though, although I think Ted didn't touch on this point. In ~1650 we've had the same amount of macroinnovations per year per billion of people as we have nowadays, which is sharp drop from iirc early 20th century where it reached its peak(iirc it went down from 16 to 4). As such it's a correct observation to say that we have much more "worker ants" and much less geniuses. While this is not that disastrous yet, if the decline progresses you can expect that eventually the economy won't be able to maintain the cycle of creative destruction, which will possibly lead to a breakdown. Now I must admit I don't know nearly enough about economy, but I've heard someone talking about "the great stagnation" going on.

>>17696083
Tell us about it. What did you get from it? What did he say? Why was it bad?

>>17696142
schizo

>>17695910
>Kaczynski's views are radical and dangerous
could he have written that in an even gayer way?

>>17696201
JUST

>>17696234
jesus christ does this guy live in a closet

>>17696201
phenotype never lies

>>17695910
jesus he got filtered hard

>>17696201
pfftahahahahah

>>17696227
The real crux of his criticism is his belief that although there is bad in technological society, there is also good. Empty milquetoast platitudes.

>>17695910
Imagine publishing a paper to refute a text you don't even understand.

>>17695910
Absolute midwit getting filtered by his main thesis modern life is underwhelming and makes us a cog in a machine, so he says bbbbut we live longer and are more comfortable. Yes retard, but that doesn't mean we're happy or fulfilled. We're domesticated and neutered, and water chlorine isn't an objection you academic wastebasket.

>>17696142
based

>>17696288
But it was peer-reviewed

>>17696305
Thats how you know its shit

>>17696288
>The real crux of his criticism is his belief that although there is bad in technological society, there is also good.
Sounds like a good criticism if he's arguin Ted was biased and exaggerated

>>17696305
That just means it wasn't too radical to pass through the confines of 'academia.'

>>17696305
I know some twitter whore who's obsessed with FFXIV and masturbating to dogs with oversized cocks raping women. Guess what? She's an Oxford Master's Grad in anthropology. Now in that context, consider the perceived value of "peer reviewed" again.

>>17696312
He didn't get the point that there's more to life than being comfortable and living forever. That thought could not possibly occur to him.

>>17696320
>I know some twitter whore who's obsessed with FFXIV and masturbating to dogs with oversized cocks raping women.
That doesn't say much about her intellect just about her sexuality and morality

>>17696327
She's probably in humanities which is a waste of time. For Math, science, or the arts agreed.

>>17696327
Hahaha okay.

>>17696264
Did you forget what Ted looks like?

>>17695910

I have to say this is quite a brainlet take
It is in fact not hard to deny that those are real improvement

>>17696339
He had the decency to shut himself way from society though

>>17696343
It's impossible to deny it when you were raised on left-wing neoliberal ideology that doesn't allow questioning its axioms.

>>17696327
>its fine for someone who is mentally unhinged to use thier mind for work
Ok makes sense

>>17696366
As long as they decouple their sexual deviation from their professional work, yeah. To be a good academic you must be able to do this because we all have our own idiosyncrasies.

>>17696376
>blasts it on twitter
I doubt she can 'decouple' it

>>17696339
like a visionary robbed of his future

>>17696201
Is that hbomberguy?

>>17696393
damn he looks based. like a different race from those leading him

>>17696380
>>blasts it on twitter
And retarded scientists ask why people no longer trust the scientists. Then they blame it all on "radicalisation" and some right-wing grifters. Meanwhile they keep these animals in academia to represent them.

>>17696403
that is probably the only great photo of him on the internet, otherwise his only non-crazy photos look like this

>>17696428
what's your definition of "crazy"?

>>17696434
he looks like his charge is indecent exposure and public masturbation

>>17696440
>The charges officer?

>>17695580
>In the last section, I indicate why I believe it is important that academic philosophers scrutinize ideas that motivate acts of violence.

It looks insightful. I'm in.

>>17696296
+1 (upvote) I agree with this

>>17695580
Not bad. Now try deboonking the technological society

>>17696011

That's why markets allocate the resources retard. Most people have low consumption.

Why do americans worship a terrorist?

>>17696011
Dearth, alongside famine and war, are always the limiters of population growth. I doubt we will be up against the wall anytime soon. The gap between necessary resources and luxury resources might widen, but Food will be more and more readily available. Even if it is created in a lab, it doesn't matter. In this aspect, our sustenance will be continually replinished and the ecological dome of mankind will be sustained... up until a point, which is becoming exponential and less linear. Innovation is far ahead of the curve. I would be more concerned about the peacocking morons with small red buttons that launch big black bombs.

TL: DR Your internet might go out, but the nukes kill us all in the end.

>>17695910
This is so dumb it almost feels like satire.

>>17696201
The everchild cannot be trusted

>TECHNOLOGY BAD!!
>while using advanced and superfluous technology
as usual, hypocrites

>>17695580
The most surprising thing here is that a bioethics journal with an impact factor of 1.799 published an article that seriously evaluates the views of Unabomber in the year of our Lord 2021. Maybe I should keep this in mind if I need to boost my citations or something? It's really not fucking hard to write something like this. >>17695910 But who needs this? Who reads it?

>>17695910
He mentions all that shit in his manifesto

>>17695580
>have to pay to get a debunk paper
academia and it consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>17695964
>dish antennae
>tin shacks
>electric poles
>pre industrial life

>>17696305
so is my dick

>>17696339
never.

>>17695580

Did he find Jacques Ellul so difficult he had to criticize Ted instead? lol

>>17695678
Such pedestrian thinking. An inability to step outside the tired myth of progress, which is the only way one can arrive at such an idiotic concept as the Fermi Paradox.

>>17696327
Nah, she's a narcissistic cunt that goes for low hanging fruit for the sake of being sensationalist actually.

>>17696201
He looks like the puppet maker from blade runner

>>17696305
>paper that fails to challenge any perceived values passed through the lens of the bourgeois elitist pseudo-aristocratic institution
Color me shocked.

>>17696788
>it's not real rebellion unless you kill people
No wonder right wingers like him

>>17695580
bruh fix your sci-hub link
https://sci-hub.do

>>17696803
>>it's not real rebellion unless you kill people
Emphatically 'yes'.

>>17696305
(You)

>>17696440
Damn, these colors work so well together. He looks like teenage Koenma.

>>17695580

>>17696440
he's annoyed by the smug faggot on the left
what do you think he whispered to ted

>>17696803
>it's not real rebellion unless you kill people
Yes

>>17696902
you really can put basedjak on anything and people will treat it like gospel

>>17695910
I'm not convinced that this dude even read ISAIF or Anti-Tech Revolution.

>>17695580
>DEBOONKED HAHA FEEL THAT CHUDS!

>>17696803
>it's ok when big gubiment does it
>noooo don't retaliate

kys tranny

>>17696339
Nope

>>17695580
>>17695910
>>17696201
Physiognomy never lies

>>17695910
>muh life expectancy
Why do lifecucks think this is a good thing? Just because your life is longer doesn't mean your life is better. Living a shorter life means you don't have to suffer on Earth for as long.

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>>17696788
>>17696902

>>17697492
Good meme lol

Just posting this unrelated site because why not it’s more entertaining than OPs faggotry
https://verdantlightning.wordpress.com/

>>17697404
>those eyes
>that jaw
You can clearly see he is a future murderer

>>17696321
It’s glib to describe the quality of life improvements brought about by the industrial revolution as simple ‘comfort’. That doesn’t mean Ted is wrong. But you ought to be honest about the tradeoff.

is the System just breeding billions upon billions of retards in hope of being offset by other end of the Gauss curve geniuses that will save us from the retards going retarded?

>>17695910
Let's write a response, one word at a time, I'll start.
Abstract
In...

>>17697597
It's glib to reduce an entire man's thought to a convivial epithet about chroline and life expectancy. Life is different now than the middles ages, bbbbut we have sewage doesn't mean life isn't not worthless. If the thesis is the industrial revolution has developed our basic needs and more to the point where it's a non-issue and we are collectively beholden to a sense of spiritual nihilism downplayed by contemporary politicans, psychiatrists, executives, and so forth, and his objection is the same, well then yes my point stands. Ted also adressed this basic points in the manifesto and his other works. This guy is just talking out of his ass.

>>17697672
a

>>17697679
Those are relevant things to bring up in a conversation about the merits and demerits of the industrial revolution. I don’t see the big deal. That excerpts is obviously not the ‘bulk’ of his analysis or refutation or whatever, it is literally an introduction. From what I saw in the excerpt he’s just introducing - relatively dispassionately - the pros and cons of what he is going to talk about. I say this all as someone sympathetic to Ted. I don’t really see what’s making everyone seethe about that excerpt.

>>17697698
Nigger

>>17697725
world

>>17695580
>Kaczynski reaches his conclusions by appeal to ethical principles that rig the game strongly inthe disfavor of technology
>Sadly, however, he is never explicit about his ethical standards. Neither is he explicit about why the things that he takes to be valuable are threatened by, yet cannot be enhanced by, technology
He can't place him, that's his problem. You can't just "nazi bad" Ted and move on, lmao, that's the author's deal. What's funny is that the article gives a concise summary of Ted's views and may work better than any schizo blog post you might come up with in two minutes to win an internet argument.

>muh reason

>>17695713
>If you want people to stop admiring Ted then just wait for them to turn 18

>>17695910
This is high school level rationalization and logic. This guy HAS to be a leftcuck

>>17697952
, whites

>>17698153
Jesus Christ go back you worthless redditor

>>17695580
>I'm just going to abuse my position of authority in academia to claim that my political opinions are scientifically backed, and all my colleagues will agree to it so hat we can call it "peer reviewed"
This sort of shit is why I no longer trust (((science))). What a fucking joke.

>>17698193
Well he's an academic

>>17698197

>>17698201
he's schilling for bio-engineering and ai takeover, more power to the international state for all the good in the world! fffuck he's doing a better job at pushing me to live in a village than deus ex ever did, because he's real

>>17695580
I feel like most people who praise Ted haven't read him. I've read both ISAIF and Anti-Tech Revolution and I still disagree with him. I think at this point his collapse prophecy >>17695678 is his main argument because simply saying life before the industrial revolution was better isn't enough to convince anyone. He does try to claim it was better in ISAIF despite not romanticizing pre-industrial life at all and admitting it was also hard. I'm sure I've just forgotten by now but I don't think he explains sufficiently why modern substitutes are worse than the "natural" ways of fulfilling the power process, if he is even right that fulfillment does come from the power process. I view the collapse theory as in the same vein of the Christian and Marxist apocalyptic theories he criticizes himself in the same book he peddles his own prophecy. In the end, I think most people who like him were rightist who read the quotes from his criticism of leftism in ISAIF and immediately assumed he must be right about everything because they think in black and white, and I say this as a rightist myself.

>>17695910
pianos didnt exist prior to the industrial revolution?

>>17696548
Why do you worship billionaire jews?

>>17695580
i'm not going to bother reading that, instead i'm going to assume that he has some quantified model of "better" and assumes that this contradict's the unabomber's thesis because people in sweden report high levels of self-happiness or whatever the fuck. someone who doesn't already understand why that sort of thing is worthless cannot be reasoned with or communicated with in any meaningful way, they live on another plane of existence

>>17698336
no, he tries to argue ethics and solutions, no models involved

>>17698197
If you don't want to be mocked stop being such a lolcow

>>17698534
you will never be a real woman

>>17698308
Because he doesn’t understand the effects of consolidated media ownership on a social species and thus can not fathom that the Nazi’s were the good guys in opposition to the NWO of global finance

>>17698548
Neither will Auntie Ted

>>17696548
Because America was founded by terrorists

>>17698153
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>>17698534
>>17698579
You will never be a woman.

>>17698577
>and thus can not fathom that the Nazi’s were the good guys in opposition to the NWO of global finance
'No'

>>17697724
Because it's a typical boomer capitalist institutionalized retort that just annoys the shit out of everyone and resembles somebody that just doesn't get the point.

>I hate work it's mindless and I am making no progress, menial work after menial work, so tedious and unfulfilling, I want to kill myself
>Have you tried working harder?

ted was right that things were better the further back you go but wrong that you can go back by denying technology
you can only return to the garden of eden by means of a spaceship, not by burning down the nearest power substation

>>17695678
The only retard here is you and the article you linked. Ted's collapse theory doesn't suggest there will be a sudden breakdown as technological society grows, but rather the disruption and degeneration of natural systems in place would be a disaster in of itself.

>>17698698
>you can only return to the garden of eden by means of a spaceship
Cease your asinine babble you pathetic mutt.

>>17698649
Would it be possible for you to consider that the other anon COULD be correct and that you might be the one wrong?

>>17698745
No.

>>17698711
you can't go back if you stay here, you'll only be dominated by others if you try
but if you move beyond the reach of those others, only then can you find yourself a new world, at the start of things. that's the garden of eden, but you can't get there from here, they'd never let you. you need to move beyond the reach of established powers before you can even think of what kind of idealized society you'd want to have, but that's obviously impossible on earth, so you need to get away from earth. how are you going to do that without a spaceship? think about it logically

>>17698264
>I'm sure I've just forgotten by now but I don't think he explains sufficiently why modern substitutes are worse than the "natural" ways of fulfilling the power process, if he is even right that fulfillment does come from the power process.
He never argued modern methods of fulfilling the power process were "invalid", he argued that after fulfilling our power process men would degenerate into hedonism or find a surrogate activity to devote themselves to.

>>17698797
>beyond the reach of established powers
Who do you think are the ones behind spaceships in the first place, imbecile? An age of space communism is a pure fantasy, hierarchy would only be stronger than ever.

>>17698839
>hierarchy would only be stronger than ever.
power only extends as far as its possessor can reach. what are they going to do, send the police to your door? of course, maybe they really can, in some cases. but in others it's impossible, and here on earth, there are no cases at all where it is possible to be truly free from them. remember, there's no new world country at all that is still a vassal of its colonial progenitor (except french guiana but nobody cares about them)

>>17698906
cool scenario

>>17698906
>I's be flying around in my spaceship and going to other planets and shiiiit
Take your meds.

>>17695580
Based post

>>17698927
>i'll just convince everyone on earth to stop using technology
much more plausible

>>17696278
Nick Land is the opposite of ted.

>>17698774
I see. So either you know everything or you are fully brainwashed. One of these choices is much less likely than the other...

>>17698954
A conversation between the two of them would be fascinating or autistic babbling

>>17695910
>this counts as an academic refutation

>>17698635
That's all you've got? Tedfags really are stunted.

>>17699066
Imagine having these images saved to your harddrive

>>17699075
Imagine not

>>17695910
LITERALLY THE SECOND FUCKING SENTENCE MENTIONES THE POSTITIVES OF TECHNOLOGY AND WHY THE NEGATIVES ARE WORSE. dDid he even read it?
>
INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY AND ITS FUTURE
Introduction

1. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of those of us who live in “advanced” countries, but they have destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have inflicted severe damage on the natural world

>>17695910
What a retard

>>17696041
I'm genuinely curious how this scene debunks him. It's been a few years since I last saw La Chinoise. The conversation is about the tactics they're taking, right? "Closing the universities"?

>>17695910
>trains
>enriched the lives of billions
tell that to the jews lmao

>>17699075
if you don't like cute anime girl this is not your home

>read industrial society and it's future
>"yeah this is true, this industrial world is no good"
>read road to Wigan pier
>learn about the actual sausage makers in the industrial world
i'm poor but because I live in a great country I'm basically bougie. apart from some physical labor jobs which are nothing in comparison. It would be nice to have some of these jobs still around to offer some perspective. Those modern day Chinese must be some tough motherfuckers.

>>17695910
Stop

>>17696201
He looks like a nice guy

>progress bad
>let me use bombs to kill people

>>17698148
Those are legitimate objections to the philosophical content of Ted's essay. Not saying that makes him "debunked".

>>17696201
It's not a good paper, but I didn't get any articles published when I was a high school freshman so what do I know?

>>17699344
>Neither is he explicit about why the things that he takes to be valuable are threatened by, yet cannot be enhanced by, technology
He is very explicit about this. It is, in fact, the whole purpose of his essay and book. How someone could misunderstand him this badly is beyond me.
>>Kaczynski reaches his conclusions by appeal to ethical principles that rig the game strongly inthe disfavor of technology
Yeah, no shit, ethical principles are relative. Ted even admits this when he talks about the power process and how it differs for different people. So really, they're not legitimate objections, they're objections which Ted explicitly recognized in the course of his writing. In the end, every normative is subjective isn't it?

>>17699375
I think the point is, if Ted wants to help mount widespread agitation against technology, there should be some attempt to explain why we ourselves might find the ethical norms he bases his critique of industrial society on desirable or convincing to hold.

There's nothing intrinsically hostile about pointing out weaknesses in a philosophical text (otherwise how could the position be improved upon?). Like a classicist who adds a footnote to his translation of the Gorgias explaining why Socrates' argument in such and such paragraph is fallacious (and how it can be bolstered by changing x and y axioms or whatever) doesn't mean the guy thinks Socrates is a RETARD debunked CHUD. The guy might even be a Platonist. Same for a Marxist critiquing Capital, or a Catholic critiquing Aquinas. etc. etc. Obviously these are examples of people sharing an ideological affinity, but I also think challenges from people with opposing belief systems don't have to be viewed with such terrible suspicion and resentment.

>>17699424
>there should be some attempt to explain why we ourselves might find the ethical norms he bases his critique of industrial society on desirable or convincing to hold.
Read his book you illiterate troglodyte. I'm not spoonfeeding you.

>>17699429
*sentences you to eternal tickle torture hell* Bitch.

>>17699442
Read the fucking books m8, I can tell you haven't

>>17699075
Imagine hating anime on 4chan

>>17699593

>>17695580
QUESTION: Why did he punished so severely? I mean, I know that the punishments is pretty harsh in the US but has this always been the case or am I biased toward Uncle Ted?

>>17699772
He's lucky he didn't get the electric chair like Timothy McVeigh.

>>17696201
He looks like a 14 year old chain smoker

>>17699772
>why did a domestic terrorist who murdered several people and attempted to blow up a passenger jet get life in prison

>>17699811
I mean, I'm from Turkey and even Abdullah Ocalan lives a comfier life than him.

>>17699810
Or the eternal coomer

>>17699772
Pleading guilty to almost a dozen high-profile bombings will generally do the trick.

>>17699811
>Waco siege
Holy shit! US of A is a weird country, dude...

>>17699811
huh the CIA didnt get life in prison

>>17699783
>McVeigh's IQ was assessed at 126
basado.

>>17698153
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>>17699811
average anime avatarfag; forced and insincere

>>17696953
superior anime color enjoyer; humorous and epigrammatic

>>17695910
>the life expectancy myth again

>>17696201
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>>17696393
Character is a function of physical form.

>>17695713
Tpbp

>>17695801
>>17698153
>>17700625
same fag

>>17696163
His views led to his actions. They are clearly radical and dangerous, dangerous not only to others but to those who possess them, since it destroys their will to learn new tech and adapt.

>>17700637
Retard
Are tedfags using him as a surrogate daddy?

>>17700817
>obviously shooped
Fuck off, retard.

>>17696142
based meth enjoyer

>>17698944
You are a god damned monkey retard. Do you realize how difficult it is to build and maintain a functioning space craft? Do you realize the infrastructure required for this? Do you realize that building and maintaining this infrastructure requires a highly advanced hierarchical industrial society? The best you could hope for is being in a colony on some irrelevant backwater planet, but guess what? Colonies require humans and the very thing you are attempting to escape has followed you there and wherever you may dream of fleeing to. Retard human monkeys are the very god damned problem. If we don't fix the god damned retard human monkeys by making them less god damned retarded we will never escape the inevitable process of retardation.

>>17700817
Why do you think they call him "uncle"?

>>17699343
>yes good drink the estrogen water

>engages in industrial revolution and dabs on you with technological society

>>17701534
MONKE NO
NOT LIKE THIS

>>17699152
retards like you don't understand technology well enough to actually critique it, google personalizes search results in two forms general and personal the reason the apple logo comes up is because when people google apple more are looking for the company logo than the fruit - there are plenty of reasons to hate technology but you're so fucking brain dead you posted a picture that talks about how technology makes certain tasks more convenient for the majority of users

>>17702488
But I want to search apple fruit not apple jew

>>17702499
but the example exists because the majority of people would be inconvenienced if it showed the fruit first

Based anime autist dabbing on uncle ted-fags

Why would anyone care about a peer reviewed paper

>>17698289
they definitely did

>>17702882
not really, his posts have even less teeth than
>criticizing technology with technology

Here you go, I just debunked the peer reviewed paper

How is killing random civilians going to help? I guess it's bad only when Muslims do it, white people are a joke and they still act as if they always have the moral high ground

>>17703131
let the adults talk, brainlet

>>17703155
lol, poor little whiteoid got triggered
just don't sperg out and kill someone

>>17703131
Ted literally says the reason for his bombing is to draw attention to the cause, otherwise he wouldn't have gotten his ideas published.

How many times does this need to be covered.

>>17703172
nooooooooooo you can't just MURDER people you dont like! those people contribute to the GDP

>>17703194
>How many times does this need to be covered.
You're Sisyphus right now pushing the boulder up the hill one post at a time, only for it to roll back down when the thread is archived.

>>17703194
>this makes it okay!
>>17703222
>it's only bad when people I don't like do it!
Yep, white people are a joke

>>17703243
why are you on this board if you can't read?
If you're interested in fueling the latest bourgeoisie race psyop why don't you just go to /pol/ and mess with the retards there?

>>17703280
>please don't challenge my belief system!

>>17703301
>challenging my belief system
>bourgeoisie moralism

>>17696201
Sam really changed after leaving mordor

>>17703127
honestly, pic rel is incredibly comfy, even as a tech skeptic.

>>17704059
>soulless jewish consumerism is comfy
What the fuck?

>>17704280
easy on the anti-semitism

>>17704288

>>17696041

Yeah dude there's nothing wrong with staring at your phone for hours a day and having all your wants and needs and instantaneously met that has nothing to do with unhappiness at all

>>17695910
>prior to the industrial revolution, all countries in the world had a living standard comparable to today's standard in Sub-Saharan Africa
This cannot be real...

>>17704485
>cherrypicking

>>17704492
I'm just saying that this particular institution existed for more than 700 years prior to the Industrial Revolution.

>>17695910
Did he even read anything of ted’s? He addresses ALL of this

>>17704485
>germany france spain portugal italy austriahungary sweden norway denmark japan korea ottoman empire iran switzerland america british-settled colonies
But yeah bro, everyone inside these countries had african hunter-gather tier living standards

>>17704547
>today's standard in Sub-Saharan Africa = hunter-gather tier
Your racism and prejudice is showing

>>17704588
More than half of sub-saharan africa lives outside of urban regions, i'd still rather live in pre-industrial Paris than Modern Capetown

>>17696743
>which is the only way one can arrive at such an idiotic concept as the Fermi Paradox
why?

>>17704588
>RACISM BAD! Why? um w-well... J-JUST BECAUSE OKAY BIGOT!

>>17704646
Things no one said

>>17704674
>Your racism and prejudice is showing
You were implying racism is a bad thing, stop coping niggerlover.

oh god I'm deboooooooonking

>>17703131
because no one would have read his work if it was published by some vanity pressing of 1000 copies the violence meant his work got published in full in the newspaper meaning it will forever be preserved in library of congress archive

>>17695580
Who cares.

>>17699168
May have not enriched them but sure did make them enlightened.

>>17707768
does it count if it was only a few hundred of enlightened people?

back to apge on1

>>17696788
This lel

>>17696163
This.

>>17710444
no, he was pretty radical you've just been on /pol/ too long

>>17711024
>not liking to be injected with happy-pills and being brainwashed and desensitized by the internet is radical
Lmao

>>17696163
Read Anti-Tech Revolution fucking retard

>>17704635
the fermi paradox assumes that aliens should have visited us by now, which only makes sense if you believe that societies can progress to having interstellar travel to begin with

>>17695910
i hate this fucking argument that extended life expectancy somehow justifies our current society. most people have long depressing wage slave lives. why would we want to subject people to that?

>>17696515
market allocation of resources is exponentially complex and fucking retarded. over the last 400 years (not that long btw!) we've gone from ships taking things to where they need to be with some trading at ports to this current fucking nightmare system where massive business entities are flying objects around the planet 3 times to save 5p per item. just relying on 'le invisible hand' is not sustainable because the market reaches a level of complexity that is A) incomprehensible to non-entrenched business entities (stifling out competition) B) destructive to the environment C) increasingly reliant on significant global inequalities (incentivizing their perpetuation)

>>17698635
Ted literally wanted to transition

>>17711659
Ted beat his gender dysphoria. You on the other hand chopped off your dick because the jews told you so

>>17711675
This is my first post in this thread schizo-kun
Also if his episode had happened in the last five years he would 1000% have gone through with it. I hate to stoke a conversation about trannies, because they're always garbage that derail threads, but I just needed to address the irony

>>17695910
>more people is a virtue

We NEED to stop measuring society by how many people dont die

>they worship this guy while being internet addicts

>>17711777
>you can't live a self-sufficient life in the woods or countryside and also use the internet

>>17711777
>knowing the truth eliminates the collateral damage of your environment

Wrong

>>17711372
What's even an ideal life most people should have? Living an uneventful life farming in a village forever? Being given blowjobs 24/7?

Like, fuck, how do anti-modern memers even wish to live, concretely speaking?

>>17711859
living in a community of people that you know intimately and doing work which tangibly benefits them and yourself

>>17711675
uhh no I'm pretty sure he's a tranny in prison

not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.

>>17711996
What? Ted never chopped of his dick, wore wigs and dresses or took estrogen
Him getting mk ultra'd and psychologically abused by his family probably had something to do with his gender dyshporia

>>17712048
whatever helps you cope :)

>>17711859
The only viable form of life is exemplified by the bronze age mindset: exploring and conquering newfound domains. Anything other than this is soulless buglife.
Lives become miserable once exploration is made impossible - once every domain is owned, once the endeavours of great men are obstructed by deterritorializing forces.

>>17697004
>how do you like our handcuff technology?
>bet you wish you had better brother technology right now lel

>>17712048
>psychologically abused by his family
story?

>>17713576
"During nearly 22 hours of interviews with a psychiatrist appointed by the judge, Kaczynski talked about his childhood, growing up moderately poor and feeling out of place with other children in his suburban Chicago neighborhood. Brilliant in school, he skipped to 7th grade from the 5th, which he claimed stunted development of his social skills."

""By the time I left high school," Kaczynski told Dr. Sally Johnson, "I was definitely regarded as a freak by a large segment of the student body." His childhood frustration took the form of misbehavior in the classroom, he said, including building a pipe bomb one day in chemistry class which earned him notoriety from fellow students."

"Johnson said Kaczynski attributed his lifelong inability to establish deep friendships, particularly with women, to "extreme psychological verbal abuse by his parents" while he was growing up."

"The evaluation also states that Kaczynski was extremely angry with his family. Moreover, it concludes that much of Kaczynski's anti-technology views were developed while he was a young man and then essentially continued unchanged."

>>17699783
>Timothy McVeigh.
>>17699876
>killed 8 glowies and destroed a glowie HQ

unequivocally based

>>17696803
Left wingers love him too

>>17711859
be a self sufficient chad with a qt waifu and 5 kids in the middle of nowhere

>>17704492
People have built buildings/temples such as pic related for thousands of years under living conditions much worse.