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For me after reading about modern economics it's that the entire economy is run on bullshit (i.e real estate and stock market) and that the idea of peace of the self was made by those above you to keep you in line about how bull the social contract is(Leviathan).

>> No.17684956
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>>17684502
>ESL detected
Can't understand what the fuck you're saying but yeah, I agree with your point about the economy. Shit pisses me off the more I think about it.

Not to get too /biz/zy but right now I'm actually studying cryptocurrencies (mostly cryptography, whitepapers, monetary theory, etc.) as I think this is probably one of our last and greatest hope that we have for our economy.
The papers on digital currency are actually easier to read than you'd think. They are usually short and extremely readable (even Chaum's original thesis was pretty short and easy to read ).
The cyptography element is probably the hardest for me because it's the least intuitive. I have studied mathematics before though so it wasn't the worst.
Haven't really touched monetary theory yet but it seems like this is the element that will really tie everything together (to their detriment, most cryptocurrencies don't seem to have a firm standing in monetary theory).
A lot of shitcoins have been flooding the market and I suspect they are shit precisely because they haven't bothered to develop the concept of cryptocurrencies past the basic, primitive state it is in now.

By the time I'm done with this I hope to be able to write up a paper or some shit. I feel like this field is very fertile ground, intellectually speaking, and I want to get in while there are still low-hanging fruit to pick.

>> No.17684981

>>17684502
>that the idea of peace of the self was made by those above you to keep you in line about how bull the social contract is(Leviathan).

Just when I feel like I've grasped it, the meaning of this paragraph escapes me. Can you describe what "the idea of peace of the self" and "(Leviathan)" means in this context?

>> No.17684986

>>17684956
There’s a small channel on YT that talks about the economy being built upon debt and social collapse. It’s sort’ve a blackpill but informative and interesting.

Guys called Gavin Boby- he’s a lawyer in the UK known for getting Mosques’ planning permission rejected lol.

>> No.17684993

>>17684956
Any basic texts to into cryptocurrency ?

>> No.17685000

>>17684956
Why do you yearn for your techno-enslavement?

>> No.17685007

>>17684956
Please do, you're right about crypto being intellectually fertile ground, 90% of what I read on /biz/ is about profiting, and very little about what the technology offers humanity. I should say there are some posts that emphasize the tech.

>> No.17685058

>>17684993
You should really learn cryptography first but Satoshi's original whitepaper is unironically really easy to read and like I said Chaum's paper was really easy to read too. The Ethereum stuff is also pretty good.
Unfortunately though, I don't know if there is a basic text you can read to get straight into crypto (maybe someone else knows?).
I wanted to get a theoretical understanding of crypto anyway so I roughly followed it's development, paper by paper (Chaum, We Dai, Satoshi, etc.)
Like I said it's a young field anyway so you don't have to read much and I imagine there is a lot of stuff crypto is missing that will be developed soon.
That's why I'm worried less about "getting" crypto than developing it (which implies understanding cryptography and monetary theory)

These vids are pretty good though:
>https://youtu.be/bBC-nXj3Ng4
>https://youtu.be/MCxOwPlVVgA
Last guy is a bit annoying but he did a decent job explaining an already pretty easily readable paper (good supplement video).

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>>17685000
kek
I understand your suspicions, and they aren't completely unfounded, but you should try harder to seperate the good from the bad.
I don't yearn for techno-enslavement, I yearn for decentralization.
The only thing you should be suspisious about are the attempts by the elite to use block-chain technology.

>> No.17685083

That the calling all leftists liberal is in the end correct.

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17685090

>>17684502
>>17685083
Based
>>17684981
Filtered

>> No.17685093

>>17685058
>>17684956
cryptocurrencies are all scams

>> No.17685115

>>17685093
I think you should approach crypto as either a transfer currency, when you want to buy stuff without leaving much trace or as a sort of investment market, because their price occasionally shoots up, which is where you should sell it to overzealous idiots who think they're revolutionaries by buying it.

>> No.17685120

that most of the anger, hatred, factionalism, fear, etc. in our society would be greatly attenuated if we had just marginally more competent governance and some better urbanism in our towns—more walkable downtowns, clean, frequent and reliable public transit, etc.

but as simple as this seems it's not actually possible for us. it wouldn't be possible even if our leaders genuinely wanted it to happen. the system is just too broken right now for us to hope for even modest achievements

>> No.17685138

>>17685120
People tend to say this but they refuse to acknowledge what caused it. Downtowns used to be the best parts of American cities, but then some genius had the bright idea that it's the magic soil of Downtowns that makes that happen, so they've started building housing projects to flood the underclass there. Now obviously that backfired and I don't care about some "smart"(wrong) reasoning behind it, the fact is nobody in power acknowledges what destroyed the inner cities, because shouting that the emperor is naked is a bad idea.

>> No.17685139

>>17684502
people have lost touch with nature and thats the main problem with everything

>> No.17685146

>>17684502
That the Greeks did far more harm to human civilization than good

>> No.17685174

>>17685138
I'm not only interested in those downtowns. Many towns have been made or remade to give maximum access to cars and that has done untold damage as well.

Yes it's not easy to point out the problem with blacks. I'm Canadian so that doesn't concern me as much.

It may help to remember that underneath all their pieties most powerful white libs (the ones that actually matter) actually slightly mistrust and fear blacks and are secretly aware that blacks do commit a lot of crime. when the tide changes and the new mood of the day becomes tough on crime, the same people shouting black lives matter now will suddenly become the loudest voices in favour of cleaning up the streets. the attitudes of the present moment won't last forever.

>> No.17685185

>>17685007
>and very little about what the technology offers humanity.
which is nothing

>> No.17685203

>>17685138
>>17685120
Technology favors big cities, which makes price rise ofc, and makes the public servants less interested in developing other territories. That's all there is to this territorial fade

And the meme about the public servants should be more competent is peak atheist midwitism. Even at the peak of atheism after the revolutions, the atheist bureaucrats were not that great.
taxes and public debt is the only for public servants to get money, because otherwise nobody would give them a salary for their ''work''.
So those people take money from the general population, then pay themselves with this, first and foremost, and they say that somehow the remaining of the money will be given back. That's literally all a public servant did since they took power.

>> No.17685260

>>17685115
This is very good advice if you are interested in making a profit or transferring money (as an investor or a user) but again, I'm interested in crypto from a developer's standpoint.
I don't think crypto in-of-itself is a scam (though it is being used that way), I just think it hasn't reached it's potential yet, which is why it's really not useful for much outside of what you said (speculating, etc.)
It has already shown itself to be promising and has improved the lives of many across the globe. I, like this anon, >>17685007 really want to see it grow into something big.

>> No.17686029

>>17684502
Wtf are you trying to say? I'm getting filtered so hard.
Maybe try to say it in your own language first and then maybe I or some other anon can translate?

>> No.17686057

>>17684502
I think OP is trying to say that the state of the economic system in most first world countries is a scam, and he believes that through history and even today, philosophically speaking, there has been an influence pushing for individuals to remain placid and compliant through promotion of ideas like inner peace.

Even more dumbed down; people ignore the glaring problems with the economic system because they have been persuaded that this is not the problem, people are led towards seeking self-reconciliation instead of instituting real change.

>> No.17686175

>>17686029
>>17684956
>>17684981
anons isn't it pretty obvious what he is saying? Are you guys ESL?

>> No.17686231

there's no such thing as the economy, just print more money, it's that simple. if i were president i'd give everyone a million dollars.

>> No.17686375

Mine: because we are trapped in machinations beyond our control the only thing we can really do is pray to god.

>> No.17687612

>>17685203
>And the meme about the public servants should be more competent is peak atheist midwitism.
I might be a midwit but I'm not an atheist. Are you really saying we don't have an enormous competence problem?