/lit/ - Literature

I wonder if we can turn this /lit/ ship around... if everyone was more patient and understanding and less hateful towards each other maybe it wouldn't be so depressing to browse through it.

>>17666836
shut up pussy

I have way too many books in backlog but i can barely concentrate on reading.

>>17666839
That's not what I'm talking about. It's fine to post stuff like this cause it's funny, but some people just post spiteful comments especially the left/right politics people who seem to be always angry.

Cock and ball torture. He was fascinated with the subject. He decided to go to the library that afternoon to see if they had abouks about this topic... to no avail. He slowly came back home as rain poured over his head.

>>17666862
>abouks
God damn I suffered an embolism mid sentence and I didn't notice

I keep getting lightheaded and feeling uneasy. It feels like I'm dreaming, but not in a good way

>>17666829

I recently agreed to read a book with a girl for a two person book club. I know, it's dumb as shit. The book was a piece of crap too. I don't even know how to describe it, a kind of young adult, horroresque, coming of age novel without anything to say.

Don't choose books with your dick lads.

>>17666892
sounds comfy

>>17666829
>tfw easily have enough money to get chinese lessons and buy all the books I want but don't want to reduce my crypto stack
The /biz/lits dilemma

Liquid sharts on marble steps,
Bubbling moors and misty braps,
A flame, a sound, a sudden flash,
A body, writhing, turned to ash,
The smell, the taste, the tasteless cum –
A madman's cry, his mistress' song...

I've stopped reading non-fiction because I literally can't remember 90% of what I just read

>>17666917

Well, it has that going for it. Academic setting in the middle of the woods in an aging mansion. Just painful to read at times and too long for it's own good.

>>17666836
You’re right, I just have so much hate though and I don’t know what to do about it

>>17666892
Why don't you both skip the boring reading part and just engage in raw sex

>>17666976
just don't be an elitist with her and point out the good things without making her feel bad for enjoying it but also without being a simp

I have no plans for my future and my country is deep diving in an economic crisis while in the middle of another.
I have no idea of what to do and I'm so fucked up.

I can’t continue doing the office wage slave thing. I won’t. I’m quitting this week. I just don’t know what the hell I’m going to do instead...

>>17667003

Get out of here with your sensible advice.

>>17666829
>green folds sneeding

>>17666829
Does anyone else find this exceedingly hard to read:

http://users.belgacom.net/wagnerlibrary/prose/wlpr0063.htm

>The special mark of Grecian culture lies in its paying so preponderant an attention to man's bodily appearance, that we have to regard the latter as the basis of all Greek art. The lyric and the dramatic artwork were the speech-enabled spiritualising of this body's motion, and the monumental plastic-art was finally its open deifying. As for the art of Tone, the Greeks only felt urged to develop it sufficiently to serve as a prop for Gesture, whose tale was already expressed melodiously by Speech itself. In its accompaniment of Dance's motion their sounding Word-speech won so sure a prosodic Measure,—i.e. so delicately balanced a physical standard for the weight or lightness of each syllable and its ordering in point of time-length,—that the instinctive speaking-accent, with its emphasis of syllables which bear no 'quantitative' weight, had absolutely to stand back as against this purely sensuous ruling. Yet this ruling was no arbitrary one, but derived, even for speech, from the natural attributes of the root-syllable's vowel sound, or this sound's position toward the strengthened consonants; while on the other hand, by its heightening (Hebung) of the speaking-accent the Melody made good again the latter's ousting by the Rhythm.

I have no idea what Wagner is talking about most of the time.

>>17666985
same
sorry /lit/bros I don't actually think you're all retards who should kill themselves. i'll try to be better

>>17667086
he sounds like Nietzsche lol

hatred stems from fear
but sometimes very hard to track down cause it can be fear of loss, death, failure, etc

>>17667086
It sounds like the translation is very close to the original German, it reads like German sentence structure and playing around with neologism construction

Maybe the translator is a non English native and the result is a very literal, subtly non idiomatic translation that doesn't flow right

Anything political should result in a ban from /lit/

The best genre authors are at least as good as the best 'literary' authors.

>>17667115
Nietzsche was an expert of specifically this work of Wagner's (Opera und Drama), so it's likely he was influenced both intellectually and thematically by it.

What do you think is similar to Nietzsche in it?

>>17667204
It's the only translation done of Wagner's prose works (save two other translations done for two other works by Wagner in the past 10 years), from the 1890's and very flawed. But the translation was English and part of the London Richard Wagner society, William Ashton Ellis.

>>17667308
just the entire style. sweeping generalisations about what the Greeks were like embellished by a myriad of personifications of concepts and writing in a playful prose to tie it all together

...

>>17667339
Sounds like Nietzsche really imitated Wagner a lot then. Even Zarathustra is based off Wagner's personality and early Nietzsche's conception of his importance.

>>17667086
it sounds like he's saying greek lyrics are developed around the way the body physically produces the sound in line with the rest of their art which was always focused on the body, but idk lol

There is nothing to strive for nothing to accomplish nothing to achieve just a meandering pain. A fire that wakes you up and sticks around while you waste your day. Can drive a man mad enough where he would do anything to quench it.

>>17667377
Shut up, you're too wanting to extinguish your soul in an emotional representing and idealising-- Which is just an act in the first place. Appreciate healthiness and contentedness at the least.

Shut up?

>>17667389
>Appreciate healthiness and contentedness at the least.
Why, where will that get me

>>17667398
>where will that get me
Lel'ing at you; hope.

>>17666829
I've been feeling a tad lost lately, like I'm going through some changes and I don't know where they'll lead me. I've always been very methodical and inflexible, and after trying to relax in that regard I feel like I'm losing my grip on my identity.

I know exactly lmc,c;.xvvvv

>>17667230
I’m not seeing how those two statements are linked, if they are supposed to be linked but I hate the distinction between genre and literary fiction.

I use audiobooks but hide it from everyone because I unironically think they are effeminate.

>>17667409
you'll find your truer identity in the end so it's worth it

I have a problem with the whole idea of a self-fulfilling prophecy or that if you think positive good things will come and vice versa. First of all a pessimistic outlook is the result of a pattern of experience, it is a conclusion rather than a premise. It's ultimately wound up with statistically reasoning. You naturally expect a continuation of the past. Even if it is not strictly necessary that the past be a model of the future, if what was true the day before yesterday was also true of yesterday and so on for all yesterdays, that dictates that in terms of relative time, what was true in the earlier past was true in the future past ahead of it. All temporal patterns eventually have the exception, just like you live every day of your life until you die. But an exception simply defines the rule.

So "positive beliefs, positive outcomes, negative belief, negative outcome" either supposes a necessary connection between beliefs and the world, which is absurd, or assumes that what one believes will influence how you behave and therefore determine the outcome. But the outcome also determines what you believe. So rarely is someone who has had a string of successes going to be a pessimist or a failure an optimist. At a certain point they induce a trend from the past data and develop either a sunny or rainy forecast.

The whole idea that if you just believe everything will work out and that you can "manifest" a better life is literally wishful thinking. It does not hurt to permit yourself to have motivation. But positive or negative attitudes are results of experience more than causes.

>>17667626
it's rare u meet a true audiobook bro irl but when u do, u both on ur phone scrollin ur audibles n shit like, oh shit u got that how was it?

>>17667409
Same. I don’t know if I am the only one - I’m sure I’m not but sometimes I get this overwhelming sense that I’m not doing what I’m supposed to be doing with my life and it creates this crippling anxiety and melancholy.

>>17667733

Of course the idea of "manifesting" a better future purely by a positive outlook is bullshit, but being optimistic can help in other ways. More confidence, recognizing opportunities more often and being morwe charismatic as a result are all things that can genuinely help you.

Saying that a negative outlook is the result of a pattern of negative outcomes also makes sense, but it's wrong to assume you see all of the factors that lead to those negative events. Factors that lead to better outcomes may change without you realizing it, and of course there's always that dirty motherucker, luck. Nine tails in a row don't necessarily mean that the coin is imbalanced, it can be good old bad luck. You don't have a perfect picture, so being 100% sure in your negative outlook is just wrong. On the whole, it's better to be optimistic, even if experience shows that pessimism is more often correct.

>>17666960
That was beautiful, although I'm too much of a brainlet to figure out if you stole it the blueprint of your verse from Wilfred Owen or something. Either way, you are clearly an intellectual brap poster, so please explain to me, a guy whose into mommies and big asses and stuff, even futas and cuckshit, how the additional personal debasement of brapping and brap inhalation comes to register as sexually arousing?

I really want to start writing seriously. I really want to starting seriously in my second language. The problem is I don’t feel confident enough yet to be able to write well in my second language. I don’t know if that means I should just start writing in my native language or wait and focus my effort into getting really good at my second language first.

>>17667958

Writing seriosuly in your second language will drive your language learning. Good old example of learning by doing.

Is it possible to study literature in a graduate program if you don’t have a humanities bachelor’s?

>>17666836
Exactly. I just wish no one had any opinions, and that everyone acted as non combatant as possible. In fact, even disagreeing with someone should not be allowed.

>>17668021
there's a gre test specifically for english where they ax u questions about moby dick and foucalt n shit, ace that and ur prob good

I wish I had just joined the military at 18 or 22.

I was left distraught, alone, feeling like idle furniture that no one needs.

>>17668021
I feel like you could bring an interesting angle to the field? What's your undergrad major?
I took an English course and they were talking about how they were employing data scientists to use statistical anaylsis to compare texts and draw conclusions. For example, the usage of certain grammatical constructions between one text or another.

having to deal with bureaucracy makes me want to end my life on the spot. I was not born to fill out fucking forms and attend meetings that last hours in which fuck all gets done. BUREAUCRACY IS A FUCKING NIGHTMARE.

I can't help but think I'd be happier in a tribe.

>>17668033
Truly we need more Socratic ignorance.

>>17668092

You probably would be, but you don't want to live without dentists.

>>17668111
I understand the viewpoint, but if I was in the tribe I would not know of the existence of modern dentistry, thus I couldn't yearn for it.

I live in chronic pain anyway due to sitting in front of fucking computers all day.

>>17668092
Nothing makes me angrier friend than poorly worded paperwork. But you get better at dealing with it with every goddam form you have to fill out.

Couple things are on my mind. Number one is trying to think how I can fix my life. Number 2 was thinking about this romance anime I’m watching called Lovely Complex.

Basically a Japanese rom com. Which made me realize I like romcoms. Which made me sad.

>>17668129
Really? because I almost started destroying my room out of frustration. It's not just forms now, it's websites and log ins and emails that all require different details, and different portals. WHY ISN'T ALL THIS SHIT UNDER ONE ACCOUNT, ONE SITE. WHICH INCOMPETENT I.T. RETARD MADE THIS FUCKING SHIT.

i just want to access my pay slips. you could literally just e-mail them to me but no, I have to have a special account with a special password that requires a DIFFERENT email to access. FUCK YOU I.T CUNTS.

>>17668127

Your teeth would still hurt thogh. My point is that you can't escape it because you lived with it for too long. The best thing you can do is learn to play the game well.

>>17668059
That’s just the US though, right?

>>17668087
> I feel like you could bring an interesting angle to the field?
Not really. My intention would be to totally reverse my studies. If I could go back and study literature instead from the start, I would.
>What's your undergrad major?
Economics
> I took an English course and they were talking about how they were employing data scientists to use statistical anaylsis to compare texts and draw conclusions.
That’s not at all what I’m looking for. If I can’t escape by undergrad entirely, I simply won’t do it.

>>17668142
just pray you never have to use obamacare

>>17668144
I can't play the game well anon because playing the game well (to me) requires you to be unethical. I have too much empathy to fuck people over in the name of profit. Also I can't play the bureaucratic game well because it feels like an affront to my humanity.

I was thinking of whether or not to share some of my shiitty poems to lit. On one hand, I would like to start a poetry thread and read some while sharing my own. On the other hand, I’m afraid my poems will be so aggressively mediocre that people on here will roast me to oblivion.

Besides that, I’ve been watching this romance anime called Lovely Complex.

>>17668162
fuck your poems anon, get your life together. get a job

>>17668153
what kind of industry are you in that you think you're fucking people over for profit? i find this kind of predatory capitalism actually pretty rare and usually related to government regulations like harassing rent controlled tenants out of properties, etc. which is in fact illegal

>>17668162
>watching an anime
keep ur poems to yourself, guaranteed they suck

>>17668142
You can get some browser plugins that will smart log you into things. Once setup that'll help your specific problem.
I've thrown stuff across the room trying to fill in a background check form. The worst was for welfare though, those fucking people make up definitions for things that don't cohere with what other government services use.

>>17668167
I work cleaning dishes because I made bad life choices anon. I guess my view is that a lot of the businesses I see aren't selling something people actually need, they are selling snake oil and garbage. People would be much better off keeping their currency in their hands, because economic down turn is a certainty. My intuition says a really big depression is coming.

>>17668150
>That’s not at all what I’m looking for. If I can’t escape by undergrad entirely, I simply won’t do it.
I'm sure you can escape your undergrad if you want. All least you'll go into it a more well-rounded person than the pure-literature types.

>>17668164
I don’t have a job no. But I get paid by my family to take care of my grandma who has dementia

>>17668162
Most of the people in the poetry threads seemingly don't bother reading or reviewing each others. But there is something cathartic in just putting something out there with the possibility that others might see it even if they don't.
>>17668182
We're in a post-scarcity economy. Few things people need, instead most industries are catering to wants.

Everyone tells me I need to major in STEM but it makes me want to commit suicide

my mum wants me to take ownership of her very old cat. she must be around 13-14 years, maybe older. I am living in a small shipping container that has been renovated into a house. I am very worried about taking the cat because she is old and I live on a property with lots of snakes. Sometimes I have to spend 3-4 days sleeping overnight at word and I do not have anyone to give her food or clean her litter.

Do I take the cat?

>>17668182
when someone decides to go out for a nice dinner at your restaurant with their spouse at the end of the week are you "fucking them over" since they could have just stayed home and ate a can of tuna? you seem to have a low iq take on economics, but then again that's prob why u wash dishes

>>17668191
>But there is something cathartic in just putting something out there with the possibility that others might see it even if they don't.

I think I’ll just share a short one that my friends like and then see if the thread picks up. If it doesn’t it doesn’t . See you in a few.

>>17668198
It depends anon. If I served them a reheated meal disguised as fresh food it feels like I'm fucking them over. If I work at Mcdonalds it feels like I'm fucking them over. I do think there are many areas where you can provide a legitimate service, and I hope to work in one of those areas. When I think of potential "side hustles" I can only foresee selling bullshit no one needs through manipulation.

>>17668153

You can keep banging your head against the wall hoping that it will fall or you can grab a hammer.

Or you can give up excess and live a quiet life that doesn't hurt anyone. A gardener doesn't make much money, but they are probably happier than office workers.

>>17668212
the value in mcdonalds is that it provides a completely standardized menu, when you travel u don't to read through 20 fake yelp reviews to figure out what diner to go to, you just go to mcdonalds and order a number 2

>>17666829
He stuck his finger in her great furnace to warm it. He left it thereso for five minutes, then pulled it lest it should become cooked. It was very warm and covered sporadically in a brown greasy substance with which he had hitherto not been acquainted. A strong odor now emanated from his finger, whereas it had not before: unsure whether it appealed to him or not he decided to postpone judgment on the matter. To make sure the odor did not become too diluted in the wider air he put the corresponding hand in his suit pocket and proceeded to return the clothes of the unconscious female to the places wherein he had originally found them on her body. He opened a door that led to another which led to an open place covered in a vegetative verdant mass; a creature of a different species produced an aggressively startling noise, however it could not reach him for it was attached by a long elastic element to a wall-like object. He decided to eat it and not the female, which was of a different species, for the time being.

>>17668228
McDonald's and other fast food is one of the main causes of the obesity problem. I'm a pretty cynical guy so I legitimately believe they have scientists working to make their food as addictive as possible in order to get people hooked. Extremely unethical businesses that don't get legislated against because they have enough money to lobby their way out of trouble. It only takes a cursory google search to look at the damage obesity causes to realize that they would be liable for massive amounts of damages if litigated against.

>>17666829
He stuck his finger in her great furnace to warm it. He left it thereso for five minutes, then pulled it lest it should become cooked. It was very warm and covered sporadically in a brown greasy substance with which he had hitherto not been acquainted. A strong odor now emanated from his finger, whereas it had not before: unsure whether it appealed to him or not he decided to postpone judgment on the matter. To make sure the odor did not become too diluted in the wider air he put the corresponding hand in his suit pocket and proceeded to return the clothes of the unconscious female to the places wherein he had originally found them on her body. He opened a door that led to another which led to an open place covered in a vegetative verdant mass; a creature of a different species produced an aggressively startling noise, however it could not reach for him for it was attached by a long elastic element to a wall-like object. He decided to eat it and not the female, of the clothed species, for the time being.

>>17668243
The nutritional value of their food is clearly posted on all menus as required by law. Are you saying people should not be free to buy a big mac if they see fit?

>>17668193
Then don’t. You’re being a confronted with the question “won’t you be a slave” regarding something you have neither a want nor have an imperative to do.

>>17668197
Why can’t she keep the cat?

>>17668267
There may be some difference in our arguments because I live in Australia and we do things a little differently. One example is cigarettes, they tax the absolute fuck out of people for smoking. A pack of 30 cigarettes can cost between 35-50 dollarydoos. The reason for this being is that smoking is bad for your health and causes a lot of stress on our healthcare system. I am only using this same logic applied to smoking for unhealthy and addictive food. Consistency in the legislature.

>>17668162
Make a blog or submit them to a poetry publication. I also like romance anime, but I’ve not heard of that one. My favorite is Seishun Buta Yarou.

>>17668301
>Why can’t she keep the cat?
Mum lives in a rental house with two dogs that are poorly trained. Her boyfriend looks after the cat but he is looking to move out into a rural area. I would only have to look after it until he can get set up in his new place. I'm mainly worried about the cat getting sick, or getting bitten by a snake.

>>17668164
> you watch anime
> get your life together Anon
> *posts frog on anime imageboard*

>>17668190
That’s nice of you. I bet it’s hard work.

>>17668313
>I'm mainly worried about the cat getting sick, or getting bitten by a snake.
Idk. I had 2 cats, one of whom lived to be 22 years old and they spent their whole lives as outdoor cats. I don’t know where you live but we lived up in the woods where there were at least copperheads and rattlesnakes and neither of them ever got bit. They were pretty easy to care for. They mostly just hung out in the garage and on the deck. We also left them alone for sometimes a week or two at a time with enough food and they were fine.

From time to time I just cannot stand my housemate. He's a gluttonous beta male who doesn't look after his body in the slightest. It makes me kinda ill. But in truth, my anger towards him is just misplaced stress about the various issues in my own life at the moment. Once those resolve I'll go back to normal.

>>17668338
I guess I'll take her then. I'm a bit concerned because my father lives on the property and he HATES cats.

>>17667086
>Lavishing a preponderance of attention upon man’s physical form is the defining feature of Greek culture, such that we must regard it as the basis of all Greek art.
Slavish adherence to the source language’s syntax is the mark of the inferior translator. Wagner’s prolix either way

>>17668162
Post in the poetry general. Check the catalogue retard.

>>17668387
Well talk to you father first then.

>>17668487
ok

2 months into the year. Haven't finished a book. Still post like I have read all the /lit/core at least 20 times a day.

The golden glaze of that nostalgical dream, when there is so much light that the distanced earthly sounds become echoically muffled; when the flame of life transduces the ashes of the past into memorial embers.

>>17668193
Are your parents asian or what

I’m done, bros.

>>17668755
done with what? browsing /lit/? being resentful? your thesis?

>>17668755
with what book?

>>17668566
Nice clouds

I'm bugged that tranny janny mods deleted the morality without God thread for no reason because I've yet to ever get a satisfactory answer to it.

>>17666862
I have a hard time imagining a CBT enthusiast who would start researching something at the library rather than on the internet.

>>17668800
pretty sure there are a ton of philosophy books about that already why don't u pick one and make a thread about it as a starting point

>>17668766
Everything

>>17668800
Christian larper bait threads deserve to get deleted. Philosophy has dealt with this question time and time again.

years go by at breakneck speed
but the minutes, the hours, oh how they drag
life is bullshit
but somehow chocolate, tea, and coffee give it meaning
death seems like a heartbeat away and brings me no fear
but I still look both ways when I cross the road
I have no attachment to anything, no illusion of material importance
but I still have take a shit everyday though
I watch my body moving like a passenger in a vehicle
sometimes I look at my hands and I think 'What the fuck are those and why does it even make sense that they are part of me'
if you think about it for any amount of time it doesn't fully make sense
it only makes partial sense because you die if you dont eat food and your hands are made of food
you are what you eat, your hands are literally scrambled eggs
you cant transcend your flesh and go into the beyond because you are anchored to the material illusion world by your egg hands
I am tea, coffee, eggs, chocolate, and assorted meats
I am a cow and a pig at the same time
man is given dominion over the land and beasts because he must turn food into hands so that he can masturbate and shitpost on the internet and fly kites
my legs are made of cheese
'squish squish' went the cheese legs of the man as he chased the pig through the grass
'oh pig, do not run, for you are my hands and I control you'
'fuck off' said the pig
'I am man and I have dominion over the beasts. You are what you eat, and so we are as but one piggy, like Nathaniel and Bartholomew in the writings of old'
'eat shit and die' said the pig, as he ran across the surface of the lake
'oh no, I am chasing myself'
and then I drowned in the lake and now I'm dead
'haha' said the pig
'many scholars reject the idea of Nathaniel and Bartholomew being the same person you stupid fucking cunt'
oh
'ha ha' said the pig as he ran away through the clouds

>>17668800
I am very happy, actually, that the mods are now deleting the "shower thoughts" threads. Because that's what they are. They don't talk about books, they don't talk about writers or philosophers or poets, they are just the really dumb thoughts that people come up with while showering or smoking weed and they think they are worthy of a thread here on /lit/. Those threads very specifically shit up the board so I am happy to see them gotten rid of.

>>17668926
Is morality without god a shower thought? I thought philosophy was one of the main elements of /lit/, why would debating that be so bad?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j_cOsgRY7w

aww shit first of the month time to see what's new on criterion channel!

>>17666829
Jews control finance and there is something we should do about that

Who are some modern tragic hero figures, if there even are any? Preferably real people.

I've always felt like I shouldn't be dating without my own place and decent money. Problem is, I've been at school for so long I'm starting to worry that time is running out. I'm 25 this year and if I want to have children at all I need to start getting into some serious relationships. I've never even had a girlfriend, but think I should have at least a couple of learning experiences so I can learn what I do and don't want before I really pursue the real thing, but I'd be close to 30 by the time that started.

>>17669089
steve jobs was like sth straight out vergil or homer t b h

I'm fat and I don't care because when I step on the scales I feel as if I am reaching some kind of high score in a very important game

>>17669089
You should have known.

>>17669158
i did that too, but by the time i got my own place it i didn't have much enthusiasm for it. meanwhile there are unemployed dudes who live with their mom in some shitty apartment that smash on the reg, don't put up artificial rules for yourself like that

>>17666829
I'm too nihilistic to write fiction, too sheltered to write non-fiction, too stupid to understand what I read. So I lurk this board and talk shit to feel better about myself by putting people down for their passion

>>17669223
um.... based department? i'd like to report a post that i suspect of being... "dangerously based."

>>17669230
...You're in peril of a based overload

>>17669223
yes, we're all aware of the resentful chuds shitting up the board

>>17669250
What do you mean? I thought chud was a 9gag meme?

If you have salt and butter then you can make any type of soup from scratch and it will completely work no matter what

I would love to date a pretty fat girl. I've been attracted to fat girls since I was 13, so it's basically hard-wired into me. But I also try to have standards, I'm not just going to date some ugly girl because she happens to be a hamplanet. I'd like to date a girl who's both fat AND pretty.

>>17668968
Not him but lrn2read, stoner
>They don't talk about books, they don't talk about writers or philosophers or poets, they are just the really dumb thoughts that people come up with while showering or smoking weed

>>17669398
Sometimes when they're fat like that it's hard to get the dick all the way in unless you're bbc.

Was convinced I was heavily porn addicted. 5th day in now and don't feel any urges beyond habit. Think I just masturbated because I was bored and that if I had more in my life I could kick this thing for good.

>>17669398
Who is she I cum?

I dumped the love of my life because she slept with 15 guys before me. Still think about her all the time, still love her. Would dump her again for the same reason though

idk what the fuck i'm doing. i try to recapture the happiness i used to have in pale attempts at reconnecting with old friends or doing the things that used to make me happy but dont anymore.

my life is a shambly facade of being happy. i never thought i'd feel this old so young. i cant imagine what really being old must feel like. i dont know, nothing is as secure or easy at it seemed in childhood (obviously). i feel vulnerable like i could die at any minute, like my friends could turn on me any minute ,like everything could up and change. i don't know how to live that way and not be miserable. there must be some peace in it but i also banked my happiness and sense of direction on these pillars that seemed immovable and now are so fleeting and without them i am lost and can feel the sharks circling.

we are really alone out here. and we can empathize with one another over this and then next thing you know we're back to preying.

>>17669555
im pretty liberal but 15 is a lot

>>17669568
That’s what I thought. I ignored it because everyone told me it didn’t matter but it bothered me too much. Wish I didn’t miss her so much, she really loved me desu

>>17668033
> hostile misrepresentation of what anon said
he's right there's a lot of intellectual dishonesty here starting with you

>>17669574
anon you should not have done that. someone's past sexual history is there choice and it was very wrong of you to break up with them for being open to sexual experiences. you're basically shaming someone for being promiscuous and it's not on, check yourself.

>>17669626
you're shaming anon for having standards

Doubts. Im so plagued by doubts that i cant decide on life choices at all. Im sabotaging myself by inaction.

>>17669637
that anon is a prick and deserves to be ridiculed. that woman will get a much hotter and richer boyfriend who doesn't discriminate against people who embrace their sexuality. He fucked up.

>>17669626
b8

>>17669626
the past of my future wife is my business. begone thot

>>17669626
and whether or not anon wants to date a slut is his choice

>>17669626
6/10 b8 not bad

>>17669660
>>17669668
how could I improve it?

>>17668805
that's what makes it so silly :)

>>17669672
>you're basically shaming someone for being promiscuous and it's not on, check yourself.
This is where it got too obvious. Also the 2nd post was way to obvious

>>17669672
Needs more slut rationalization for it to actually sound like a woman. Or more cuck type stuff to sound like a man

how many men is too many then anons?

>>17669707
Too many relationships is as bad as too much casual sex. Girls usually dont even count blowjobs and handjob to the bodycount number

>>17669717
True. For me a few relationships is okay, but any kind of casual sex is dealbreaker. Lots of short relationships is bad too.
The girl I broke up with caught on that that was why I dumped her, saw her once a year later and she magically lowered her number to 6 because some of them “didn’t count” for whatever reason. I hate women

>>17669717
wowe. i can't even talk to girl

>>17669732
You’re not missing out. My incel mindset only got worse after being with women. Knowing them pretty much confirmed everything I thought about them. I hate women, dying alone is better than being with a slut

>>17667409
Watch the film 'Illumination'. Maybe it will help

>>17668193
I majored in STEM. I'm doing my PhD right now.
I love it.
But! It's something that I thought I'd do already at 14 years of age, reaffirming my decisions once every two years or so. If you don't want to, major in something else. I am always all for people pursuing what they love. Do you have a topic that you really love?

>>17666829
ghjiyhbnjnko

>>17667409
I felt like that throughout my whole life. I never been able to grasp more stable image of my identity without doubts kicking the chair.

>>17669742
>My incel mindset only got worse after being with women
Same.
Contrary to popular opinion, it's very easy to develop over-idealized views regarding women if your only knowledge of them comes from anime, where hyper-loyal girls make heartfelt confessions of love to unremarkable losers. Even if you see "blackpill" content online, without having actually experienced anything like that for yourself, it's easy to believe that the perfect waifu is still waiting somewhere out there.
At least, that's how I felt before I actually started dating.
It hurts.

>>17669742
>>17669774
I don't want a girl I just want one friend. Is it possible to have even one real friend?

>>17669781
I don’t know anon. The only “friends” I can get are gfs that I have to simp for for weeks even though they fucked chads instantly in the past. Not really a “friend”. I’d go back to being an incel if I could have friends. Please just 1 real life friend who actually wants to be around me, please...

>>17669774
>>17669781
>>17669793

>>17669793
is that a real cat????

>>17669804
Yes

Why do the most basic things seem so unattainable? A family, your own home, a stable job. Literally the only things I need and the way things are in my country it's like you need to be well-above average to get any of them. Shitty shoebox houses an hour away from most jobs, having to choose between kids and a home, shaky career prospects at best. Don't even get me started on finding a wife.

I don't really think I'm asking for much here. I got a STEM degree, I did what I was meant to do. A lot of people my age seem to be in the same boat. There's no optimism, just bleakness. The situation seems like it'll inevitably deteriorate, the few good things we have will be snatched away one by one, and there's nothing at all you can do about it.

Just why does it have to be so lonely?

>>17669820
I don’t know anon I’d give you advice but after years of trying myself it’s just cope. Everything is fucking cope. Literally everything. Try to cope I guess

>>17669820
we're just atomised

bro

>>17669781
I got this app called slowly. You can message people and it delivers your message after a few days, makes it easier to make “friends”. Also you have a cartoon avatar so it’s okay if you’re ugly. I’m talking to this third world brown girl, wouldn’t really say we’re friends but having some social interaction is nice

>>17669820
Society has been parasitized by people who are inhumanly wealthy and they have distorted everything around them like a gravitational field. All else atrophies and flakes apart in the wake of their anomaly. Few can understand the power of someone who can give someone, anyone, a million dollars without batting an eyelash and have their will be done. Government officials are their puppets, they control the media and the massive technological software apparatus, and they would rather see nations burn than have one drop of their power reduced.

This is the simple answer, but often complex phenomena can be traced to a simple cause. Learn to see everything around you as one giant rigged contraption set up to benefit these people and the world will make much more sense.

>>17669864
Unironically don’t do that. Just take the blue pill and be a fucking brain dead normie if you can. I’d do it if I could

>>17669864
Is there a solution to this situation? Is it really over?

>>17669870
>>17669869

>>17666836
fpbp

>>17669870
Human nature cannot be cured by the efforts of education, it seems. Our culture is only a thin layer of varnish that immediately peels away in times of great stress to reveal something deeper, sinister and without our control. The conservative idea of elevating the heart of man through culture has failed. As a result, intellectuals have moved away from "the positive force of culture" and turned to the negative forces of social and economic order: man becomes a predator and murderer only because he is exploited socially and economically. So they tried to change the material circumstances of life. With surprise, it was then discovered that corruption is deeply ingrained in man's heart: wherever there is the possibility of gaining an advantage - and this possibility always exists where two people live together - there is exploitation and deception. So no, there is no way out. Mankind has been trained by nature to survive in any climate, in any environment: hiding, deceiving, hoarding, hunting, killing, organizing, thinking, inventing.

The only hope I have: transhumanism. For man to be good, you have to drive a blade into his brain. That's garbage, of course.

>chip shortage
>crypto
>scalpers
not pc upgrade for me

you are reading shakespeare in the original spelling right?

>>17668800
the point, kind of, is that the question is what you do things for. if you only do things for material reasons (no God), then all positions are negotiable (ie open to sophistry). the expectation is that this will eventually lead what was "bad" to become "good" for reasons of sophistry, since all reasons are negotiable. God, unlike everything else, is inconquerable, can not be mastered, and therefore can not be negotiated out of the picture.

The question is only why you do things. God is the only stable reason. Maybe an individual can be a stern and discerning utilitarian, but a society? Over time? Doubtful.

>>17670081
i'm reading the ebonics version cuz it's more modern and inclusive

>>17670184
>Maybe an individual can be a stern and discerning utilitarian, but a society?
and even if they could, I don't think that would save them from hell. the point is, specifically, to do the right thing for the only reason of coming closer to God. I think a person can happen to do all the right things for the wrong reasons and still go to hell. Because the point is that you have to move toward God, God has to be the aim. One could even argue that a good act without God as its aim is, in fact, not a good act. "God" here is relatively loose though, it doesn't have to be an imagined "sky-daddy". If you do something good "because it is good" then I think that borders on being religious. But I doubt that works if it "is good" because of material consequences. Treasure has to be gathered in heaven, as Jesus put it.

Now it's possible I am wrong about everything, but this is what I think.

>>17666960
:’)

>>17670187
>hes not reading emoji shakespeare
ngmi

>>17666985
same. I come here to shit on people's heads instead of working on my PhD thesis way often than I should. I actually think it's beautiful that you want to read literature.

how can you be apolitical and against totalitarianism and supremacy.. that still makes you a liberal which a political view..

>>17670270
what's your thesis on

>>17670326
rent free

>>17667838
There is no explanation, there is only the reality of evil.

Any book recs for a sigma male?

>>17670362
who's renting my mindspace freely

nigger facgot i am a goat why is gosd' such a prick are you real when will this end oh good i am in so much suffering where this exist secape route

>>17669568
Not relatively. Large majority of girls I know from college are way over 15.

My ex broke up with me 3 years ago. 3 years and haven’t even met a girls since then.

>>17670397
maybe not relatively to your college whores but they're not the standard for us respectable people

>>17667195
>>17669859
Interesting concept even if shilling

>>19301385
strawberry jam has been on my mind the past 5 minutes

>>17669859
>>17670429
i use slowly too. it's pretty comfy. been talking to a girl for more than a year and now we're sending emails instead of slowly letters

>>17670440
fuck. trying to crosspost from /lgbt/. can anyone tell me how? pic of straw jam chicken. bad axewound desu.

>>17670326
Hes based tho

>>17670406
I agree. I’m just saying 15+ isn’t even uncommon. What percentage of girls let’s say aged 25 have less than 15 past partners?

I don’t want to go on

I'm in the break of a lecture at uni
lecturer presumably old femiwarrior
emphasizes again and again and again that women require quotas to represent them, but taht this in NO WAY implies an essential difference between men and women. only social conditioning. No anon, don't go into wrong think. NO. NO DIFFERENCE, only CULTURAL CONDITIONING. there is ABSOLUTELY NO biological component in behavior and NO REASON to open that door. NONE.

again and again.
is this woman a biologist?
nope.

>>17670469
MY HEART WILL MY HEART WILL
GO ONNNNNNN

>>17670480
it funny once you start thinking about quotas, it's just like older and younger brother playing games and when younger constantly loses, he goes to whine to mom. Everyone advocated equality but the whole quota thing is just saying that you're unequal on common ground and you need interference from the big government. How dont people think bad about themselves if they're hired just because of quota, is beyond me

>>17670491
well they get money which is better than not getting hired and not having money

>>17670520
I guess the Method Man is right at the end.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBwAxmrE194

>>17669820
It's the same here in America my friend.

I have been a NEET for 2 years and wanting to get out of the house because me and parents are getting sick of each other. I must get out before one of the following happens: necking myself, or killing a younger sibling or parent.

Now trying to craft a resume/job application but I got this utterly irrational terror. I already have many failures and being rejected for work will add to them. Can't even finish proofreading the document before sending it out.

>>17670744
>irrational terror
about what?

>>17669625
I am taking his point to a logical extreme, as a method of demonstrating why I disagree with him. Your insistence that I am being 'intellectually dishonest' seems to me a way to attack my position without providing any sort of legitimate statement. In other words, you are a mouth breathing faggot and should kill yourself.

>>17670749
That whoever in HR reading will think that I am a sad sack of a human being who don't even know my station and applying for position way over my head. I got looked down by many people in the extended family (3rd world asian culture) for not having a job. The thought that an HR drone can look down on me as well offends me to no end somehow.

>>17670811
>That whoever in HR reading will think that I am a sad sack of a human being who don't even know my station and applying for position way over my head
Same, i feel the very same (eastern europe here). Atleast you dont usually have AI bots to scrim through your CV in 3 seconds and throw into the bin. I cannot sell myself at all or asslick in any good way. I have a massive gap between uni and current year and i cant just say that i've been having a massive depression where i didnt want to do anything or think about anything at all. I'm forced to lie. Job interview is all about the competition who's a better liar and the HR people are the judges.

>>17670491
I honestly believe I am for some kind of patriarchy, based on an argument rooted in a fundamental biological difference. However, this all would require such a major step away from everything that I know, such a radical societal change, that I don't really dare have a concrete position. Instead I try not to think about it, and this works 99 times out of 100, but that 100th time I'd be lying if I said I don't find it hard to be spoon-fed the cultural paradigm. Ironically the lecturer brought up how marginalized groups can develop low levels of trust for the dominant majority, as the majority develops a pervasive arrogance. She never once argued or related any scientific position for biological essentialism.

I tried googling to see what people think. I think if you asked all adults on earth if they think there is a biological difference in behavior between men and women, a majority would say yes. Apparently in the US, however, it turns out it is just under 50%, which I found surprising.

>>17670827
>She never once argued or related any scientific position for biological essentialism.
or against for that matter

>>17670827
Is brainwash that prominent in america or americans are very suggestible to it?

>>17670822
>you dont usually have AI bots to scrim through your CV in 3 seconds and throw into the bin
I am applying for IT jobs actually and you just know the goddamned bots search for X years of Y "whatever tech is hot right now" experience. I am tempted to just bullshit and put X+3 in all the stuff I done before. Hopefully whoever interviews me later won't test me too much. Welp good luck to you too.

Now drinking beer to get some courage for sole purpose to edit my resume. I feel retarded just writing that previous sentence.

>>17667344
I drive

Anyone else feel trapped in a hyper-mundane life like an existential prison? Simply rising every morning to sit at the desk is enough to make me seriously contemplate ending my young life early.

>>17670849
Both. You’re fooling yourself if you think it’s only Americans though.

>>17671051
What would you want to do?

>>17666829
I've read so many books and I've absorbed a heap of info in abstractions, and now I've come to the realisation that I'm unable to even coherently convey what I've learnt.

>>17671061
I don’t know. I think I’m just plagued by existential depression innately, but my not knowing is definitely part of my problem. The only things I’ve ever really been drawn to are literature and the idea (but possibly not the reality) of the army. At the same time, there’s a sense that there’s nothing out in there in the world worth doing.

>>17671079
what do you see in literature that you're drawn to it?

>>17671104
On one hand, what it can say about certain aspects of experience I guess. That part is a bit harder to explain then the next. On another hand, the escape into imagination and myth. Honestly, I don’t know exactly why it is I like it. There’s just something there.

>>17671051
I've been entertaining the idea of ending it a lot more as well. For much of the same reasons.

>>17669864
>Society has been parasitized by people who are inhumanly wealthy
hahahaha
That's only one part of the problem.
The truth is the greed, incompetence, and stupidity of the average person drags society down to the lowest common denominator. They would rather drown in alcohol and triviality than raise their kids right or persevere into any kind of good quality of life. Completely base and yet detched from reality and substance.

Go look at anyone you know who's parents didn't raise them right. Can you really say it was Bill Gates or Jezz Bezos who caused that?
Go look at any drug addict stealing to earn their daily drug money. Did your Windows operating system make them do it, or did PC technology allow you to send emails, listen to music, look for work, study from home, watch TV shows and movies, mine Bitcoin etc
The Amazon warehouses are supposed to be lame places to work, and I don't doubt it. Bezos should have better conditions.
But Bezos is one man. Why have all those individual workers ended up there? Every worker there has parents who had a 'philosophy' that kids raise themselves, need no direction, and had less concern for the future of their own individual offspring than Bezos has right now. How often to these types of people hang out in bars? How much trash TV do they watch? It's a lot isn't it?

The truth is that personal responsibility, or the lack of it, the the primary cause of everything wrong with society.
Half the population are eternal children.

>>17671117
Seems like you crave for variety of real life experience. Gorky wandered in imperial russia for 5 years. Humans are not meant to be confined like they are now.

>>17669864
also
>Few can understand the power of someone who can give someone, anyone, a million dollars without batting an eyelash and have their will be done.
>Few
This is literally the most common opinion, that rich people are bad and cause all the problems somehow. The evil rich man in all the movies.

>>17671132
In my case, it’s probably more but I agree. I can’t say I feel like there’s a solution though.

>>17671150
Sure, it’s reductive but you really don’t think “rich people” and their lives enormous corporate structures are interested in transforming society into consumer bases or using them to get ahead?

I plan on leaving my country to live in another one. I’m going to try to write in that country’s language but I realize that doing so will probably sentence me to relative obscurity and irrelevance forever.

>>17671051
Yes.
I once bailed out of a supermarket job to do a meme degree in art for 3 years. I did it literally only to take 3 years off work and live off student loans, and I knew it wasn't going to be a valuable degree. I was going to go crazy otherwise and probably unironically kill someone, on paper you can say it wasn't the best option, but it was 100% the only option, and so at the time and in that situation it was the best option.
I learned to draw and took some years off work, it was a pretty good student loan based vacation. I did collect myself.

I went back to work for 3 years after that. I've been NEETing on lockdown gibs for the last 9 months though. I just go slow and DGAF about anything.
The boomer era society is completely and definitively over.
All of their sensibilities of comfort and success are thoroughly dead.
Irregular strategies are becoming the only viable option for any kind of navigation in life.

>>17671151
I mean traveling alone could be a thing even in local area.

I think my crush on my friend is starting to eat me alive (and I think they have one on me too, but neither of us are admitting it). I spent the night at their place again - we just sleep on other sides of the bed. But last time someone told me they had feelings for me after being close friends for 2 years I couldn't handle it, told them they just needed to meet other people outside of me, and then moved cities. This friend and I have only known each other for a year and a half now and I'm so nervous that the second the two year mark comes around, I'll do the exact same thing again. I've come to terms with being the villain in these exchanges though; I'm not happy but I'm not distraught that I'm always the weird one who can't handle the idea of actually being liked, and will just get up and go back into loneliness again. I think that's the most annoying part about this. I love being obsessed with someone and having them obsessed with me, but I'm equally happy to just disappear into myself too. Awareness is the first step to solving the issue though... maybe...?

>>17671257
I’m not sure how I could achieve that. I work remote but I’m pretty bound because of my job. I need to quit it honestly. I really can’t continue living life this way and this job is a big part of it.

>>17671253
I’ve considered something similar, going to study graduate abroad. Problem is, I don’t really have an undergrad which lends itself to anything I’d be okay with studying. I’d have to continue undergrad, which I just don’t want to. So idk what to do.

>>17671159
In my other post I said
>that's only part of the problem
So I admit it is a problem that rich people can use their weight to influence for negative results, bribery, corruption etc. But you must admit they also create good results.
Bezos employs half a million people, and millions more enjoy fast delivery of things they need conveniently. Yes he expanded fast and should have taken worker conditions into account, but his expansion matched demand.

As for consumer narratives, I don't watch TV. Advertisements are not convincing and a vague general consesus on damaging life directions is not strong enough to make a serious person ape the crowd for no concrete reason.
>if someone told you to jump off a cliff would you do it?
For many the answer is yes.
>buy my shit you don't need, live this life you don't want - you will like erm um look cool or something if you do it. BUY BUY BUY
>wow I'm convinced
This is the great evil corporate consumer scheme you are talking about. There is no excuse to fall for it.
>hey look over here instead of facing reality - we have celebrities doing silly things
>wow I'd rather do this than become self reliant in some way or develop life skills
So convincing. Those evil TV executives and advertising/marketing gurus!
>my kids are going to need a career
>I can't think about things like that, I've got a bar to be in god damn it.
>I should spend my savings on a flashy vacation that will last 1 week so I can keep up with the Jones's. That money would allow me to start my own business, but if I spend it now, I can have a photo of myself holding a pink drink with an umbrella on it for social media
Damned Bezos, scooping up these 100,000s of directionless people with little qualifications or direction in life. It those damn richies!!!

>>17671368
>Bezos employs half a million people, and millions more enjoy fast delivery of things they need conveniently.
He would fire those people in drop of a hat if there would be more profitable solution.

>>17671486
How would he do that? How would he replace the entire structure of Amazon, the most successful business in the world, overnight?
That's a pretty big if, and huge reach to support your notion of the rich people = the world evil

I fucking despise my mum. I also hate the rest of my family.
I hate myself too. I just want to live a life of peace and none of these fucking cunts will let me do it. All fucking contrived twats with retarded agendas. And mum is just a sociopathic drama queen who needs constant fighting to live.
Fuck everything.

I was thinking about all the effort that goes into producing a mediocre or even bad piece of art. Be it a painting, a song, a book, a film, etc. it can require hundreds, even thousands of hours and still turn out poorly. Only for someone to tear it apart in a single sentence, calling it a piece of shit or something like that. I think that's the most tragic aspect of art. I understand that there is a certain sadistic glee we take out of being a caustic critic, but I also think we should be more compassionate, at least a little bit.

>>17671684
that's the way the world is. you might think that you would never read a certain book or buy a piece of art but there's a demand for it and even one critic cannot take that away. if anything especially harsh criticism might make your work even more popular and people will want to see all the commotion. lukewarm criticism is the real killer.

>>17671608
I despise my cunt mother also

I genuinely love to sin and feel no remorse for my actions except when I put myself before God. On the day of my judgement my sins will do the talking for me, I will only be able to say: "I thought I had more time to enjoy myself, that I could practice virtue later."

>>17671684
Some art needs to be mid level, because sometimes you need fun and you don't want to be flattened by an intense masterpiece.
But art that is easily digestible still needs to be made with the minimum of care and effort.

To produce entertainment as a job is an extremely lucky position, you are paid to inspire and distract people from everyday stress.
If you leave a bad taste in someones mouth as an artist, you have produced art for no other reason than ego and self indulgence, and the viewer is correct to be unsatisfied with how their time and money is spent.
The desire for fame in many people is to earn huge incomes for artistic output, but without producing any art or breaking a sweat. That's what people think fame is, money flying into your bank account. For them, the years of piano practice or developing writing skills in poverty doesn't count, and they literally think they can skip the art altogether. I've personally met a handful of people just like this.

>>17671912
Just say you will be a good boy from now on. It's easy to change your ways if God looks you in the eye.

I suppose if you can’t be the hero, you can at least read/write/imagine the hero. Right?

>>17672160
yes

>>17672160
that's science fiction for you

it's gonna be a tough couple of weeks. I worry I'll fail a class. wouldn't be the worst possible outcome but it would annoy me. ah things are gonna be fine, I'm being dramatic.

I've discovered popcorn. afaik it's pretty healthy, and it's damn good. I want to experiment with making popcorn fruitsalad. I don't know why, i just think mixing popcorn, oranges and banana could be pretty good

>>17668821
With no satisfactory answer.

>>17668140
LoveCom is nostalgic and cute it's okay to like it. At least you're self aware

Day after day we stood and waited for their adventure to carry us off. But weeks ran bare and without a trace, and nothing would come forward to carry our emptiness off. And those who were colorful still and departed from earthly living: They lived someplace bewitched, on heavenly islands of fairy-tale blue. We knew that they were as inaccessible as the white clouds that gathered above our boyish sky, but on some evenings it happened that we secretly and longingly cried for their fading songs.

>>17666829
i wrote a lot but deleted it.

anyway, good day to you pepoanons <3

Just one more thing: Sinking someplace in everyday life, in ordinariness, carrying his longing into the confines of bourgeois parlors, hunched over, kneeling in the dark, not wanting to be different, constrained and satisfied, covered by day and night, returned home from journeys Into the metaphysical – light of gentle eyes above him, wide, shining deep into his heart, to nourish the remnant of mad airs of Heaven – music of countless common sounds, like the roots of silent birch trees, that strike strongly into your blood, gone are the tumultuous fanfares that carry you into adventure and fatigue, awake in the morning, know your work, your day's work, fixed, mute to all enticement, blind to all that intoxicates and makes you drunk, no more excursions into the cloudy, plain as a child that weeps and laughs, entwining with every little thing, refreshed as from the bath, abandoned to the vast condition of life.

i hate my life and i don't know how to get out of the hole i'm in

>>17672520
same but change dont know to wont do.

>>17672502
what is that mask from i can almost remember but not quite

>>17672160
He who does, does. He who can't do teaches.

>>17672524
change needs to happen, just how, and in which direction?

Generation Z don't read anymore. This will have far-reaching implications for civilisation if current trends continue.

>>17666836
Are you talking about that one guy who posts a picture of Heidegger with a vague greentext statement that implies someone is wrong, even though he often writes as if he doesn’t know the subject matter (or even Heidegger for that matter)?

>>17672533
for me, it's rather simple but its too much for me.

where is my excitement in life? Why i dont have any motivation over anything?

>>17672547
Depending on which
> current trends
You pay attention to, we’re looking at civilization-level extinction so Zoomers not reading hardly seems important.

>>17672532
So he teaches about the hero?

I was referring more to lack of opportunity, rather than lack of ability to seize opportunity. The way I see it, there’s few paths to heroism in the world today. Given that, you might as well escape into the heroism of literature.

>>17672611
He teaches the hero, writing stories is a great way to teach.

What do you think is the best place to drop out in the Western world? Western North America? Eastern Europe? Eastern America feels like a shopping mall and Western Europe feels like a museum.

Frater, I have a few questions about gypsy culture/yourself that my friends asked

The main questions is about stealing: why do gypsies steal? Is it a cultural value or a tradition? Do you consider stealing good? Do you teach your kids to steal too? Do you think it should remain in gypsy culture or disappear?

The other question is about education: do you teach your kids to read? Do you see school as valuable? I know you said most gypsies don't know how to read or write and it's frowned upon to be too intellectual. How do you feel about it and how do you manage it? Do you live by it / pass it over to your children?

Lastly, how do you feel about buying wives? Do you have any personal opinions on it or do you just do it because that's how you were taught?

Thank you

>>17672607
Climate change will be fixed, that's a problem that can be solved with science.
Cultural issues are far more entrenched.

>The reality is that our young people are changing in ways that are as imperceptible to them as to most adults, particularly in how, what, and why they read—the cornerstone of how most humans think for the last few centuries with the spread of literacy
>A related body of research in Israel, led by Rakefet Ackerman and her colleagues, compared the reading skills among Gen Z on print and digital mediums and demonstrated these same trends, with an important caveat: When asked which medium produced their best performance, Israeli students "perceived" that they were better on digital. They had no knowledge that they read with less understanding and detail when reading on screens. They falsely associated faster speed with understanding.
>The questions raised by these studies have profound implications for Generation Z. Research in the neurosciences, I believe, has a special contribution to make. In my own work on how the human brain learns to read, I have emphasized the role of neuroplasticity in understanding the changes to reading in a digital world. More specifically, learning to read requires the brain to form a new, highly malleable circuit that develops from a basic circuit for simple decoding to an expert reading brain that connects our most sophisticated cognitive and affective tools—what we call "deep reading” processes—to whatever we read. Crucially, the particular processes in the circuit reflect the environment that forms it—e.g., the writing system, the type of education, the characteristics or affordances of the medium.
>We must understand whether our youths' adaptation to digital affordances is diminishing their use of time-demanding deep reading processes: from background knowledge, inference, and critical analysis to empathy and insight.

tl;dr (ironically) The less you read, the less you think and zoomers are becoming illiterate.

>>17672726
https://psmag.com/ideas/theres-a-crisis-of-reading-among-generation-z

>>17672726
>Climate change will be fixed, that's a problem that can be solved with science.
I couldn’t disagree less and I think one day the myth bubble that dictates we can engineer our way out of every problem will burst and burst big.

>I couldn’t disagree less

>>17672770
>well, disagree to agree

>>17672770
You know what I meant.

>>17672760
Perhaps I was a bit too flippant. Climate change is a problem which is well documented. Solutions are being worked on and a wide range of scientific bodies are attempting to manage the problem accordingly. It is a specialist program in that highly qualified men and women from across the globe are seeking to address it.

An essentially illiterate population is a much harder mountain to climb because how do you get people to read?

climate change was already solved by science idiots: it's called nuclear energy. stick to misunderstanding literature, no need to also misunderstand science

we're all dying very slowly

>>17672854
Read Carbon Ideologies and The Long Descent

>>17672867
no thanks

Terry Pratchett's Death is an incredibly interesting character

>>17672867
Based Greer poster.

had a friend over over the weekend. he had a lot of personal problems he needed to talk to me about. we mostly talked about him for an entire weekend. now I'm exhausted, and a little sad. I think I wanted to talk about me too. I used to mimize myself too hard, I reckon I did it again. I just feel bad desu

>>17672548

>>17672913

>>17672960
kek

Are there any contemporary American authors you think are really good? I mean, besides the obvious ones like McCarthy or Pynchon. I want something like what Houllebecq is to French. A little controversial would be better.

I cannot express my utter dislike of indians. I genuinely fear that one day I'll lose my cool at work and verbally assault one when one does their usual incompetence.

I can stand any other race but them. I've consciously worked on containing my anger, but it's not enough. I can't convince myself that they are anything other than subhuman shitskins. god damn EVERYTHING about them is utterly repulsive. I can't understand how the raj didn't constantly machine gun them down after living in close proximity to them. I'll be writing more about this later

Everyone is fucking criticizing every fucking thing I do. I'm sick of it, and I'm beyond my breaking point. Why should I bother doing anything if all I do is fail?

I'm not like this when I'm hypomanic. I'm competent. I have value as a fucking human being instead of a fucking goddamn mistake. I'm honestly thinking of just throwing myself out the fucking window and being done with it, since clearly, nothing I do to try and get hypomanic and regain the value of my existence is working. Every fucking thing backfires. Being alive is a mistake

>>17672715
>The main questions is about stealing: why do gypsies steal? Is it a cultural value or a tradition?

Both, we consider it an inherent good and because of how we developed from Dalit it was essential. I was around 5ish when my parents drove me in their rolls Royce while my mother was wearing a mink coat, we went to the store a market I believe and she made me steal something because “only faggots don’t.”

So I stole then and then felt extremely bad about it personally and I always kept my self away from it though family and friends constantly would mock about the topic.


>Do you consider stealing good?

Us? Yes, me personally? No. One reason we use to justify it is a folk legend of which, that Christ when he was to be put on the cross a singular nail was made to Pierce his heart, and a man having heard this stole the nail. Thus the spirit of god came to him and told him for stealing the nail he would be both blessed and cursed. Cursed that he shall forever walk the world, never having a home and being an enemy to all people, but blessed that we can steal and lie without it being a sin and we shall live by this method, and that we shall be exceptionally skilled at it even from a young age.

>Do you teach your kids to steal too?

As a culture yes, me personally no.

>Do you think it should remain in gypsy culture or disappear?

I would rather our culture rise above it and become proper nepotists, embrace education and become basically pseudo Jews.

> The other question is about education: do you teach your kids to read?

I did, most dont, though because of Instagram and so forth and how much they use text to speech some youth have picked it up. We mostly use social media to arrange marriages (which is a monetary agreement between the parents.)

>Do you see school as valuable?

I do, they don’t. A common thing I heard growing up when I wanted to read the Bible is that I shouldn’t read it or any other book because it’ll possess my head with demons or because it is only homosexuals who read and other such. Though now i often help them with legal stuff and I make a good amount of money and I also am their connection by which they buy jewelry (I operate as a middle man for the business because Gypsy cannot tell the quality or price of gemstones or gold, silver, etc.)

>i know you said most gypsies don't know how to read or write and it's frowned upon to be too intellectual. How do you feel about it and how do you manage it?

I mean, I think it’s the worst part about us and I was mocked a lot for it but Gypsy culture is a heavily family-like structure. So we all see each other as family members, so eventually they stopped and especially when I would drink and party with them and vice versa. You also grow up to be pretty rough/mean living in New York (though I do not act like it here nor do I act like that for no reason.)

>Do you live by it / pass it over to your children?

>>17673208
I give my children all of our traditional values except those concerning education, intellectualism and our pseudo-folklore. But again, the vast majority do not and are against education in all regards.

And to be fair, we often make more money than the average non Gypsy so I understand why it isn’t a focus for them.

>>17673208
see
>17673118

>>17673256
If it helps we’re 55% euro 45% Indian on average.

>>17673118
>tfw used to work in an office with a fair amount of Indians
The heavy curry accents in the quiet building assaulted and insulted my ears.

Just came back to college last week and I'm already I'm depressed again.
I was right when I was a neet teenager, college isn't for me at all, but I don't know what the fuck else to do. Grades are very good but I can't stand any fucking lecture anymore.

>>17666829
Maybe the bible is right about self defence, taking a slap across your face, then showing the other cheek seems like a really good way to assert dominance, you are not just some bitch who gets mad at someone when you get slapped, but instead you can show that you can take plenty, and turn the other cheek. That really shows the inferiority of the original slapper, that is if the slap was not deserved.

>>17673275
actually, add gypsies to the list of races I can't stand.

just talking to you absolutely vindicates everything euro folklore describes about your "people".

Wait, Frater's a gypsy?

>>17673300
Oh yeah we’re definitely pretty bad, absolutely parasitic. Apologies if I myself am offensive to your sensibilities.

>>17673305
Yep, I’ve even posted translations of our folk songs on multiple of the poetry threads

what's on your mind

I can't keep living like this. God, fix my brain chemistry or I will fucking kill myself just so I can come up there and kill you

I’m relatively happy with my life at the moment, but I still hate everyone

>>17673333
your quads

>>17673305
duh

>>17673208
Based thanks and glad you still come to /lit/

>>17673305
HE'S A MEMBER OF MY ADVENTURING PARTY AND YOU'LL RESPECT HIM AS SUCH

>>17673275
Wait so gypsy culture has similarities with Indian culture? Is that why you're both mystical? Also do you have any relations with Romania? That's where most gypsies are in Europe.

>>17673208
Have you ever read Dinesh Dsouza's End of Racism?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ac_B-xiWWZU

>I would rather our culture rise above it and become proper nepotists, embrace education and become basically pseudo Jews.
That is not the way Frater, that is parasitism of a different kind and much harder to shake off. Blacks and gypsies are in for hard times ahead, as are the poor natives in the Americas who never had a chance to become morphologically self-aware as a root race before they were shattered into a million pieces inside. But for all of them recovery is at least a constructive process. The dichotomy is an easy one to understand at least, between ossified survival parasitism at one pole and true ethno-cultural positivity and autonomy at the other. No matter where your people is in the dialectic of freeing itself from the base "matter" of mere survival instincts and ingrown habits (like stealing), there's always one way out of it. It's a cultural macrocosm of individual personal asceticism and alchemy.

The Jews and other incipiently rootless emigrant races (which successful cosmopolitan multicultural postnational emigrant groups like groups Indians are at risk of becoming, severing themselves from the true nomos of blut und boden) have a far worse form of maladaptive survivalism, one that is almost impossible to operate on (either from inside or outside of it), because the response from the maladaptive pseudo-organism will always be more hostile ingrownness. Anyone who tries to heal the Jews will become their target and their enemy, and the Jews will be very "successful" in eroding, sapping, undermining, and destroying them, further reifying the Jews as this headless, rootless process of erosion itself. Theirs is not a dichotomy of base matter vs. enlightenment, they don't have a single path with two directions (backward and forward), they have a tangled branching path where almost all ways forward lead back to where they started. You don't want that for your people or any people.
>The question of the role of world Jewry is not a racial question, but the metaphysical question about the kind of humanity that, without any restraints, can take over the uprooting of all beings from being as its world-historical 'task.'

>>17673359
but at least it was fun to come and visit?

>>17673290
read the notes from the underground

You will suffer from painful testicular torsion if you read this, unless you reply to this post with "This gift is too great for me"

>>17672904
my mom has a similar problem. one of her friends has just about every problem imaginable and writes essay long texts to her and wont stfu about her new family problems or anxiety shit. desu dude if you dont wanna act as someones shrink then dont. friendship is supposed to be an exchange of positives. if ur friend all he does is talk about himself and you aint feeling that then you'd be better of not having to deal with him

>>17671684
>certain sadistic glee we take out of being a caustic critic, but I also think we should be more compassionate, at least a little bit.
If you think it's just sadistic glee, you're getting bad crit or, worse, have no idea what the purpose of harsh crit is in the art world. Considering your remarks about compassion, I suspect it's the latter. People usually aren't telling you you're shit because being a sadist is how they get their rocks off: people are telling you you're shit so you stop being shit. It's like the friend who tells you there is a trail of toilet paper and liquid shit attached to your shoe— sure, he could not tell you and leave you to work it out for yourself, however long that takes you, but it's a kindness to tell you before you notice yourself or from strangers. Harsh but good critique is a kindness and compassionate, and failure to see it as such usually stems from vapid narcissism.

>>17673602
This gift is too great for me.

>>17673558
Nah we’re not mystical, our internal lore says we learned from Jews how to lie and steal in the Balkans and basically took the Balkan idea of witchcraft and ran with it as a scam. Most of the Gypsy who prostitute/mix race, do drugs and steal children are from Hungary and Romania, the vast majority of us consider all of these extreme taboos and wouldn’t do such.

>>17673585
Anon were in comparison to the average white generally much more rich financially and we love our culture, we don’t believe in any kind of oppression and I do not see the problem with nepotism on a cultural level, on a individual moral level sure but it certainly works on a group level for survival which I believe is the primary thing a culture should focus on. In general if you actually interact with Haredim their culture and lifestyle is very nice, they have high amounts of trust, high amounts of wealth and a strong spiritual tradition, family unit and so forth. There’s no racism towards Gypsy that isn’t warrant by us being a literal parasitic race.

Also there’s no damage that ever occurred to us, we’ve been living the same way and happily since some speculate over a thousand years. Whether communist Russia, fascist Italy, Nazi Germany or neoliberal america. Nothing has changed our lifestyle and we are quite pleased with this. We value breeding, wealth accumulation, strong family networks and for the vast majority of us that’s about it. Luckily our churches are lifting us up more so into intellectual culture. I think if you just unify us with an intellectual culture we would be at an advantage in all regards to most other groups.

As I’ve said before, my sole concern on a macro cultural level is survival of group, every group no matter what should do what they believe maximizes their group lifespan and their accumulation of knowledge. I believe this on an axiomatic level.

I was almost a normie in college, then I graduated and returned to my old self.

>>17673697
That happens a lot. You see 2 types in college actually. 1 is the normie who just wants to be a pleasure seeking hedonist and socialite. 1 is the anti-normie who just wants to escape. Both look the same on the outside even to ourselves.

>>17673697
are you me?

>>17673686
>Most of the Gypsy who prostitute/mix race, do drugs and steal children are from Hungary and Romania, the vast majority of us consider all of these extreme taboos and wouldn’t do such.
So there are two types of gypsies? Who are "us"? American gypsies? Non-Europe gypsies? When did you two break up?

>>17673732
Nope, there’s hundred of groups and sub groups of Gypsy which each have our own kind of little internal ethnic hierarchy, the french Gypsy at the top for maintaining our laws and being the richest, Balkan Gypsy and the like being the lowest because of how many of our laws they don’t obey. More money and law you obey, the higher and more worthwhile in marriage you’re considered. Balkan and Mexican Gypsy are the lowest.

Our internal church structure is mostly French Gypsy. We all interact and treat each other semi closely besides those Romanian, Hungarian and Balkan Gypsy in general, because they will try to steal our kids to sell them. No Gypsy steals children other than them.

But besides that all of us interact and deal with each other normally.

>>17673602
This gift is too great for me.

>>17673789
Do you all speak the same language? Can you talk to French and Balkan gypsies? How can one learn about this? Like do you have large disputes or conflicts? What's the legal system like? How do French gypsies even communicate laws or observe what Bulgarian gypsies do? Sorry for asking so many questions I don't know where else to read about this.

>>17673861
>Do you all speak the same language?

Yes, we sometimes add some local lingo but it’s all comprehensible.

>Can you talk to French and Balkan gypsies?

Sure, you can find my translations of our songs in the archive for the poetry thread.

>How can one learn about this?

Uhhh you don’t, I’ve considered writing a book on the matter. We mostly just lie to outsiders or don’t tell anything.


>Like do you have large disputes or conflicts? What's the legal system like?

We have a complex legal system that’s pretty tribalistic called a kris, basically you have judges and these are just the most well connected richest and toughest people in the area and you can hire them to argue things for you, and they submit to people with even more powerful connections money and so forth. This structure constantly changes but this extends out from small scale to eventually entire countries and continents being under one or two dudes and they stay on top until someone proves to be a stronger family with more legal connections and the like.

>How do French gypsies even communicate laws or observe what Bulgarian gypsies do?

The caste thing more works on market value for marriages and respectability but doesn’t translate out into direct power in the courts. The courts are ruled over by direct violence, connection to cops, real judges, and we also have various tools we can use to enforce laws upon individuals, these laws are based on one groups “zagono” which determines how they live their daily life, the price of their daughters, what they consider embarrassing or unclean, what laws in general occur. Example a universal law we all have is that if a marriage breaks up, the father of the bride must return half of the money given for her when she was purchased, also the first child if not all children always goes to the groom in the circumstance of marriage, after which the bride will have a largely reduced value on the market if she is to be married again. (Normal value ranges from $9000 to $25000, most more closely to $12000 but French usually do 25k)

Anyways these laws are enforced most often by placing a blackball in which the person is not allowed to deal or interact with any other Gypsy ‘least the person they interact with also be marked, in this time the entire court shall pull apart the marriages, take away the children and if worst case scenario have hired men beat the person who is not obeying the Law.

These court systems are very brutal and often change as the men grow old. Though I myself have parents and grandparents with some of the strongest and in the case of an uncle the strongest position in our local courts from here until you hit about California.

And it’s not a problem I enjoy the discussion.

>>17674018
Thanks Frater, I'll go to sleep now but I appreciate your patient replies and rare knowledge. God bless you

>>17674018
Write this book and shill it here. From what you’ve said I would buy it in a heartbeat, this seems super interesting. Also thanks for your feedback on my sonnet from the poetry thread, it flows a lot better now, all that’s left is ironing out the first stanza.