/lit/ - Literature

>>17656211
>Acts 4:32–35: 32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. 33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. 34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, 35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

>>17656211
There is none. What part of "opium of the masses" did you not understand?

>>17656266
Opium was associated as an analgesic not a drug back then

>>17656211
First volume of Kołakowski's Main Currents of Marxism
Engels' Peasant War in Germany
>>17656266
Retard

>>17656266
Karl Marx literally was a religious prophet.

>>17656211
Four Evangelists

>>17656266
That's just Marx shaking off the openly religious parts of Christianity. Communism = Christianity minus God. There's a quote from Marx somewhere where he claims communism would never have been possible without Christianity spreading to Europe.

>>17656226
>one instance of collectivising resources for the purpose of spreading the gospel under persecution
>individual wealth seen as a blessing from God throughout the bible
>Abraham was a wealthy man of God
>Several prophets were kings
Hmmmmm

>>17656266
>>There is none. What part of "opium of the masses" did you not understand?
atheism is a religion
king=president
priest=intellectual in atheist academia
warrior=public servants
peasant=middle class

>>17656315
>Matthew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

>>17656420
> 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

>>17656438
1 Timothy 6:17-19 ESV
>As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life.

>>17656420
'Saying bad things about rich people' isn't Communism.

>>17656459
>>17656438
I was disputing the point that individual wealth was seen as a blessing, which I did. That passage explicitly states material wealth is not just.

>>17656211
Evola wrote on this a lot, but it's in bits throughout his books. You can read about in Revolt Against the Modern World, Men Among the Ruins, Metaphysics of War, and The Bow and the Club.

>>17656468
Who the fuck thinks that individual wealth is a blessing?

Most people who are religious understand greed to be a sin, you are misunderstanding religious people in general.

>>17656498
>>17656468
In addition, simply stating that 'the wealth you've been given must be because of God' is somewhat lazy, but a little more possible.

However, the reason it's lazy is because it takes nothing of you. Most religious people, regardless of religion, wouldn't just look around them and say 'the world is the way it is because of God' because Good AND Evil exist. These things cause the world to be the way it is: imperfect.

>>17656468
Ecclesiastes 5:18-20
> 18 Here is what I have seen: It is good and fitting for one to eat and drink, and to enjoy the good of all his labor in which he toils under the sun all the days of his life which God gives him; for it is his heritage.
>19 As for every man to whom God has given riches and wealth, and given him power to eat of it, to receive his heritage and rejoice in his labor—this is the gift of God.
>20 For he will not dwell unduly on the days of his life, because God keeps him busy with the joy of his heart.

Individual wealth is not seen as inherently sinful in and of itself; it is the tendency of people to put more trust in it than they put in God that is sinful. Hence why you can not serve two masters. Jesus tells the rich man to sell all his belongings as he can see that they are more important to him than the riches of the kingdom of God. Are you a Christian anon, just out of curiosity?

>>17656211
>Judeo-Christian
kys faggot

>>17656211
communism is inherently atheistic regardless of whatever leftists are saying on tik tok or pseud yt philosophy channels, Any Christian would reject both Capitalism and communism

>>17656611
Just because it has no god doesn't make it atheistic, communism is a prime example of a religion without a god

>>17656643
I never reasoned that it was atheistic due to that, read DIVINI REDEMPTORIS

>>17656653
I looked it up and seems to be an anti-communist in the sense of bolshevism which is only one form of marxism.

>>17656611
no
>But since for the socialist man the entire so-called history of the world is nothing but the creation of man through human labour, nothing but the emergence of nature for man, so he has the visible, irrefutable proof of his birth through himself, of his genesis. Since the real existence of man and nature has become evident in practice, through sense experience, because man has thus become evident for man as the being of nature, and nature for man as the being of man, the question about an alien being, about a being above nature and man – a question which implies the admission of the unreality of nature and of man – has become impossible in practice. Atheism, as the denial of this unreality, has no longer any meaning, for atheism is a negation of God, and postulates the existence of man through this negation; but socialism as socialism no longer stands in any need of such a mediation. It proceeds from the theoretically and practically sensuous consciousness of man and of nature as the essence. Socialism is man’s positive self-consciousness, no longer mediated through the abolition of religion, just as real life is man’s positive reality, no longer mediated through the abolition of private property, through communism.

>>17656653
You do know that christianity is not the only religion right? "Christians" may reject it but that doesn't mean communism isn't a religion that evolved from christianity.

>>17656751
Bruv what on Earth are you talking about? Communism is not a religion and it has not evolved from Christianity

>>17656674
he explains how Communism is inherently atheistic therefore you cannot be a Christian and a communist, he gives bolshevism as an example

>>17656498
The anon I was responding to
>>17656315

>>17656211
Nietzsche and Evola

>>17656315
>>individual wealth seen as a blessing from God throughout the bible

>>17656498
Prosperity theology, which is an abomination.

>>17656790
>love thy neighbor: the religion
>didn't evolve into love thy neighbor: the economic philosophy

>>17656498
Pic related

>>17656211
The Principle of Hope by Ernst Bloch

>>17656790
Yes it is a religion, it has a doctrine, holy book (Das Kapital), priestly class (academics), rites, cosmogony, eschatology. I could go on. It evolved from the humanist tendencies in christianity but with a focus on materialism. It's very obvious.
>>17657006
Basically this.

>>17656516
>quoting the Old Testament in an attempt to refute the teachings of Jesus Christ during an argument about Christian theory
Ok

>>17656211
The sickle in the Russian hammer and sickle is a symbol of ancient Roman God, Saturn, to whom some cults performed human sacrifices. In his Eclogues, Virgil associates the reign of the god Saturn with the Golden Age. The North Pole of Saturn has a huge hexagonal storm on it. At the center of the Star of David is a hexagon. The Jewish self-proclaimed “Messiah,” Sabbatai Zevi (1626-1676), started a corrupt, antinomian cult called Sabbataeanism which inverted traditional Judaic moral norms and glorified sin. His first name, “Sabbatai,” means “Saturn” in Hebrew. In Jewish tradition "The reign of Sabbatai", the highest planet, was often linked to the advent of the Messiah. Karl Marx, infamous founder of Marxism, was a Jew.

Winston Churchill wrote of the Bolshevik Revolution in the Illustrated Sunday Herald of 8 February 1920, “With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of leading figures are Jews. Moreover the principal inspiration and the driving power comes from Jewish leaders.” The modern Frankfurt School of philosophy which worked through the Institute for Social Research was majority Jewish and was instrumental in creating critical theory, which is a new form of pseudo-Marxism for the masses, seeing societal structures as oppressive and seeking to critically analyze, deconstruct, and overturn all these systems of oppression. This is the root of modern obsessions like intersectionality, diversity, and equity.

Adam Weishaupt (1748-1830), founder of the Bavarian Illuminati, a group which infiltrated Freemasonry and sought to overthrow monarchies and the power of the Catholic Church, was Jesuit-trained. He specifically made ties with Frankfurt Masons, Frankfurt being the home of the Frankfurt School centuries later. Meyer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the Rothschild banking dynasty, set up his banking house in Frankfurt c. 1764.

Centuries later, the Jesuits would start spreading liberation theology in Latin America starting in the 1960s, liberation theology being a combination of Marxist and Christian beliefs.

The end goal isn’t QUITE, as some /pol/-tards crudely portray it, “the destruction of the white race,” but the liquefaction of Western civilization, grinding it all into a homogeneous blob which can more easily submit to one-world totalitarian communist Judeo-Masonic rule by the UN, as Navy intelligence whistleblower William Cooper puts it.

>>17656211
Neetch's Geneology of Morals.

>>17657059
Good post.
>The end goal isn’t QUITE, as some /pol/-tards crudely portray it, “the destruction of the white race,” but the liquefaction of Western civilization, grinding it all into a homogeneous blob which can more easily submit to one-world totalitarian communist Judeo-Masonic rule by the UN, as Navy intelligence whistleblower William Cooper puts it.
Correct, but the destruction of the white race is an inevitable side effect of that. And that's what's most visible to most people.

>>17657006
>love thy neighbour is forcefully redistribute wealth

>>17657036
>implying there’s a contradiction

>>17657146
Yes, a redistribution to the poor, just like how love thy neighbour was a forceful redistribution of "the good" onto the meek.

>>17657198
Yes through charity, not by seizing legitimate wealth. Are you a Christian btw?

>>17657250
>charity
Yes, because Christians in Rome and the Roman Catholic Church were so charitable. Romans persecuted the Christians because they were such cooperative, respectful people towards the Empire. Because the Christians were surely interested in maintaining wealth and class disparity in society and not at all interested in flipping the social hierarchy in their favor, even though that's precisely what they did.

>Are you a Christian btw?
Take a guess.

>>17657288
>Christians refusing to worship pagan gods is the same as class struggle
>Romans 13 tells you to be subservient to government (unless it goes against god’s law)
>implying that early Christians were interested in wealth at all
I would guess no

>>17657337
>Christians refusing to worship pagan gods is the same as class struggle
Correct. The new pagan god is money, and Communists refuse it.

>Romans 13 tells you to be subservient to government (unless it goes against god’s law)
Epistle to the Romans was written by an anarchist Jew. It was a call for government reform.

>implying that early Christians were interested in wealth at all
As if Matthew 19:24 was not meant to create a superiority complex over the wealthy.

>>17657366
>money
capital*

>>17657366
So if I’m hearing you correctly you believe that Christ and the gospel are calling us to become communists?

>>17657087
>Correct, but the destruction of the white race is an inevitable side effect of that. And that's what's most visible to most people.
Fair enough point. I just wanted to distance myself at least slightly from cliches that often get repeated on here and /pol/, since even though they can have a grain of truth of them, they can easily turn people off.

>>17657454
Other poster here. In my own opinion, the original mission of Christ wasn’t something so crude as political or economic change. He was trying to inspire personal spiritual change in people. However, today, with Jesuit Marxist liberation theology, as well as the Vatican teaming up with groups like the Rothschilds and Rockefellers in the “Council for Inclusive Capitalism,” we see, in my opinion, the corruption of Catholicism at least towards political ends.

>>17657454
>you believe
I don't believe, I know, because the parallels between Christianity and Communism are fucking obvious.

>>17657501
And the differences are obvious as well.
> 2 Thess 3:10 “For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.”
>2 Cor 9:7 “Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.”
>1 Tim 6:18 “They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share”
>1 Cor 13:3 “If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.”
Don’t take me for a laissez-faire Randian anon, I can clearly see the evils of capitalism, but to claim that Christianity and communism are compatible is a stretch.

>>17657486
Definitely. I think Christ’s message was ultimately one of love.

>>17657486
>mfw Americans have turned into literal Moloch heretic worshippers and upholders of the prosperity theology
Please Lord forgive them, they are only Americans

>>17657565
Of course there's differences, Christianity and Communism aren't the same thing. What's being asserted is that Communism is an evolution of Christianity within a secular capitalist society. When something evolves, it changes, but also maintains certain traits from before.

>2 Thess 3:10
>2 Cor 9:7
>1 Cor 13:3
None of these, however, are incompatible with Communism.

>to claim that Christianity and communism are compatible is a stretch.
I've already MORE than demonstrated how they are compatible, but it doesn't matter, you're a retard who "sees evils" in an economic system lol.

>>17657594
>give generously and freely out of love
>the state forcibly seizing property and wealth in order to inefficiently distribute it
How are these compatible? How is starving millions of people due to retarded or downright genocidal policies Christian?

>>17657630
>How is starving millions of people due to retarded or downright genocidal policies Christian?
you must be dumb as bricks mate

Author dump:

David Gelernter (author of "Americanism"), or George McKenna ("The Puritan Origins of American Patriotism"), Murray Rothbard (his thesis is that this is a GOOD thing, however), Richard M. Gamble ("The War for Righteousness"), R. J. Rushdoony ("Messianic Character of American Education"), Time Magazine (see: American Malvern), Peter Hitchens (The Abolition of Britain; yes, this is that BASED guy whose atheist BROTHER was given CANCER by GOD), wow BASED), Theodore Dalyrymple (Life at the Bottom), Richard Price (this guy is actually a Puritan minister who writes pro-Jacobin screeds; the thought in these circles was that after the Jacobins had finished off the Catholic Church that they would convert en masse to Protestantism), literally EVERYONE involved in Unitarian Universalism (the Unitarian Universalist """""""""""""church"""""""""" just openly talks about the Unitarian origins of Woke), George Packer (Blood of the Liberals), Anthony Lukas (Common Ground), Richard Ellis (Dark Side of the Left), Arthur Lipow (Authoritarian Socialism), Steven Pinker (The Blank Slate, like Rothbard he says that this development is a GOOD thing), Gordon Woods (Radicalism of the American Revolution).

>>17657630
You're missing the point. Certain developments in Christianity lead to Christianity being in a certain state. People then reacted to that state. Some of those reactions result in them taking wild, down-right anti-Christian, stances. But others are simply carrying forward aspects of that state. Calvin, for example, reacts radically. And someone reacts to him, and someone reacts to him, and on and on and on, and now we have an obese eunuch in charge of some department of health saying that he is more of a woman than your mother. When precisely do you place the demarcation? It's arbitrary. We can just as easily say that TRUE Christianity died when Clerical Celibacy was enacted in the 12 century.

Is Communism Christianity? No. But Evangelical Christianity and Communism do share an ancestor in some state of Christianity at some time. Remember, everything you disagree with you have been influenced by, and whenever you argue against something, you are merely demonstrating that it has influenced you.

>>17657630
>give generously and freely out of love
See >>17657288
and stop repeating the same fucking talking points.

>>17657656
Bruv CCP officials watched their fellow Chinese starve to death outside grain warehouses. In less than 3 years more than 30 million people starved as a direct result of ridiculous communist policies

>>17656211
das kapital

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>>17656643
every ideology is a product of religion, science included

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>>17657673
Underrated post

>>17657848
Killing retards like you in the womb drags down averages.

>>17658305
Get laid incel